WYWH - Pink Floyd
Lokkerman
On the hub we have been trying to track down the definitive "Wish You Were" Here in Quad.
We know of at least 3 Vinyl Rips and there was a Q8 Rip which I do believe is DTS done by Tab Patterson. (Nice to have the WAV files and not lossy DTS)
Anyone know of anymore? There is a BBC variant which would be lovely to get our hands on - a matrix H broadcast (referring to WYWH):
"The U.K. release states that the disc was engineered by Brian Humphries at Abbey Road Studios. However the BBC obtained the masters and remixed them for Matrix H transmission in 1978, when on that occassion they were done by Tony Wilson at the BBC, broadcast over National BBC FM Radio 2 in the United Kingdom" - Soundcentre (Quadraphonic Quad)
I've also included a few links that I've uncovered on my path to enlightenment:
Tab's Site
http://www.4channelsound.com/list.htm
And another interesting catalogue:
http://members.cox.net/surround/quaddisc/quadindx.htm
Happy hunting Folks
Lokks
george...@comcast.net
There is the QpS version which has a Q8 source.
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S
VF
Ah so I’m assuming that is the QpS one then? A Q8->DVD-A? This is what I thought I once saw, and thought everyone had anyway...if this is true (it was upped on demonoid) I’m surprised no one seems to have it???
Lokkerman
I thought I'd got the Q8 but it turns out that it wasn't.
VF
Oh well perhaps then, the QpS rip indeed hasn’t been “leaked” (heh)...I still haven’t verified whether it’s a DVD-A or just DTS though...(the “QpS version”)...george?
george...@comcast.net
No, the one on demonoid was a vinyl source.
george...@comcast.net
DVD-A/V
grill
- WYWH. Since I'm by no means able to release the SACD I'm thinking of
making a BD-audio disc containing all the available and valuable
loassless surround transfers/upmix. Recently on the AVS forum it has
been posted that there may be 5 good conversions to DVDA and
considered the last two ones to be the best:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18168512#post18168512
SQ-LP conversion (Quadumvirate) 3.59 GB
Conversion (???) (as A&V TS folder) 3.59 GB
Conversion by Area51 1.80 GB
SQ-LP conversion by Tom M. 2.63 GB
SQ-LP conversion by Kap'n Krunch 2.97 GB
As Lokkerman wrote we still miss (?) the lossless Q8 transfer.There
could be other (vinyl, SBU, matrix etc.) versions to be taken into
account. I would appreciate any opinion, comment and help.
On márc. 12, 18:11, "VF" <vf.surro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh well perhaps then, the QpS rip indeed hasn't been "leaked" (heh)...I
> still haven't verified whether it's a DVD-A or just DTS though...(the "QpS
> version")...george?
>
> From: surrou...@googlegroups.com [mailto:surrou...@googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Lokkerman
> Sent: Friday, 12 March 2010 5:06 PM
> To: surrou...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [SurroundSound] WYWH - Pink Floyd
>
> The one we all appear to have off the noid is from Vinyl and is the duller
> sounding one of the three rips.
> I thought I'd got the Q8 but it turns out that it wasn't.
>
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:51 PM, VF <vf.surro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ah so I'm assuming that is the QpS one then? A Q8->DVD-A? This is what I
> thought I once saw, and thought everyone had anyway...if this is true (it
> was upped on demonoid) I'm surprised no one seems to have it???
>
> From: surrou...@googlegroups.com [mailto:surrou...@googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Stephen Disney
> Sent: Friday, 12 March 2010 3:40 PM
> To: surrou...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [SurroundSound] WYWH - Pink Floyd
>
> There is a DVD-A version that was on the 'noid. Touted as the Ultimate
> version... designed to rival the DSOTM DVD-A... and it is the best version I
> have found aside from my own mint vinyl.
> S
>
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:15 AM, <georgeshan...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> There is the QpS version which has a Q8 source.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lokkerman" <phil.steep...@gmail.com>
> To: Surrou...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:56:54 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
> Subject: [SurroundSound] WYWH - Pink Floyd
>
> Guys
>
> On the hub we have been trying to track down the definitive "Wish You Were"
> Here in Quad.
>
> We know of at least 3 Vinyl Rips and there was a Q8 Rip which I do believe
> is DTS done by Tab Patterson. (Nice to have the WAV files and not lossy DTS)
>
> Anyone know of anymore? There is a BBC variant which would be lovely to get
> our hands on - a matrix H broadcast (referring to WYWH):
>
> "The U.K. release states that the disc was engineered by Brian Humphries at
> Abbey Road Studios. However the BBC obtained the masters and remixed them
> for Matrix H transmission in 1978, when on that occassion they were done by
> Tony Wilson at the BBC, broadcast over National BBC FM Radio 2 in the United
> Kingdom" - Soundcentre (Quadraphonic Quad)
>
> I've also included a few links that I've uncovered on my path to
> enlightenment:
>
> Tab's Sitehttp://www.4channelsound.com/list.htm
>
> And another interesting catalogue:http://members.cox.net/surround/quaddisc/quadindx.htm
>
> Happy hunting Folks
>
> Lokks
>
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VF
Well then the next questions are:
- Who transferred the QpS version (was it one of the many folks who are friends of ours and also release their own stuff to Demonoid independently and who like almost everybody else, got fed up with QpS and no longer acknowledge/support it)?
- Last I heard, QpS was defunct anyway. Sure there’s a facebook group (setup by someone else than quadbob afaik) but is the actual “society” really no longer functioning? And if so, does that mean there is no obligation for someone like you George, who has this DVD-A, to share it? ;)
There are several other people we could contact with all these answers and who likely have power to do what they well please with the transfer since they did it themselves, but let’s just keep it in here for now...
VF
Stephen Disney
http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/413942/1984882/
It's not the same torrent I downloaded, as I recall, but sounds like the same copy. I believe I also have the Quadumvirate copy, but I might be missing the Tom M. and KapNKrunch ones.
I do have a copy of the Q8 with the lineage of Q8>Reel>Reel but surely someone out there has the Q8 to clean up.
S
grill
about Conversion (???) (as A&V TS folder) 3.59 GB ?
On márc. 12, 18:59, Stephen Disney <sthunderroc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Which version is this?http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/413942/1984882/
> It's not the same torrent I downloaded, as I recall, but sounds like the
> same copy. I believe I also have the Quadumvirate copy, but I might be
> missing the Tom M. and KapNKrunch ones.
>
> I do have a copy of the Q8 with the lineage of Q8>Reel>Reel but surely
> someone out there has the Q8 to clean up.
> S
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:38 PM, VF <vf.surro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well then the next questions are:
>
> > - Who transferred the QpS version (was it one of the many folks who are
> > friends of ours and also release their own stuff to Demonoid independently
> > and who like almost everybody else, got fed up with QpS and no longer
> > acknowledge/support it)?
>
> > - Last I heard, QpS was defunct anyway. Sure there’s a facebook group
> > (setup by someone else than quadbob afaik) but is the actual “society”
> > really no longer functioning? And if so, does that mean there is no
> > obligation for someone like you George, who has this DVD-A, to share it? ;)
>
> > There are several other people we could contact with all these answers and
> > who likely have power to do what they well please with the transfer since
> > they did it themselves, but let’s just keep it in here for now...
>
> > VF
>
> > *From:* surrou...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > surrou...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *georgeshan...@comcast.net
> > *Sent:* Friday, 12 March 2010 5:17 PM
>
> > *To:* surrou...@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [SurroundSound] WYWH - Pink Floyd
>
> > DVD-A/V
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: georgeshan...@comcast.net
> > To: surrou...@googlegroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:14:37 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
> > Subject: Re: [SurroundSound] WYWH - Pink Floyd
>
> > No, the one on demonoid was a vinyl source.
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "VF" <vf.surro...@gmail.com>
> > To: surrou...@googlegroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:11:02 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
> > Subject: RE: [SurroundSound] WYWH - Pink Floyd
>
> > Oh well perhaps then, the QpS rip indeed hasn’t been “leaked” (heh)...I
> > still haven’t verified whether it’s a DVD-A or just DTS though...(the “QpS
> > version”)...george?
>
> > *From:* surrou...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > surrou...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Lokkerman
> > *Sent:* Friday, 12 March 2010 5:06 PM
> > *To:* surrou...@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [SurroundSound] WYWH - Pink Floyd
>
> > The one we all appear to have off the noid is from Vinyl and is the duller
> > sounding one of the three rips.
> > I thought I'd got the Q8 but it turns out that it wasn't.
>
> > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:51 PM, VF <vf.surro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ah so I’m assuming that is the QpS one then? A Q8->DVD-A? This is what I
> > thought I once saw, and thought everyone had anyway...if this is true (it
> > was upped on demonoid) I’m surprised no one seems to have it???
>
> > *From:* surrou...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > surrou...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Disney
> > *Sent:* Friday, 12 March 2010 3:40 PM
> > *To:* surrou...@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [SurroundSound] WYWH - Pink Floyd
>
> > There is a DVD-A version that was on the 'noid. Touted as the Ultimate
> > version... designed to rival the DSOTM DVD-A... and it is the best version I
> > have found aside from my own mint vinyl.
> > S
>
> > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:15 AM, <georgeshan...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > There is the QpS version which has a Q8 source.
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lokkerman" <phil.steep...@gmail.com>
> > To: Surrou...@googlegroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:56:54 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
> > Subject: [SurroundSound] WYWH - Pink Floyd
>
> > Guys
>
> > On the hub we have been trying to track down the definitive "Wish You Were"
> > Here in Quad.
>
> > We know of at least 3 Vinyl Rips and there was a Q8 Rip which I do believe
> > is DTS done by Tab Patterson. (Nice to have the WAV files and not lossy DTS)
>
> > Anyone know of anymore? There is a BBC variant which would be lovely to get
> > our hands on - a matrix H broadcast (referring to WYWH):
>
> > *"The U.K. release states that the disc was engineered by Brian Humphries
> > at Abbey Road Studios. However the BBC obtained the masters and remixed them
> > for Matrix H transmission in 1978, when on that occassion they were done by
> > Tony Wilson at the BBC, broadcast over National BBC FM Radio 2 in the United
> > Kingdom" - Soundcentre (Quadraphonic Quad)*
ArmyOfQuad
but not much.
I know there are different WYWH conversions floating around. Somehow,
I never connected that much with this album, I prefer pre-DSOTM Floyd
to post-DSOTM Floyd. So, I've not really done much comparisons or
research to the different DVD-A versions floating around of WYWH. I do
have Tab's fostex Q8 transfer, which is enjoyable.
I had been kicked out of QpS by the time this conversion came to be,
so I'm unsure of the source, or who did it. I do recall hearing that
the initial conversion was too boomy in the bass, and so Romanotrax
did some tweaking to tone down the low end. I have some friends that
are former QpS members, so I can get a copy and find out some more
info on it.
QpS is in fact defunct. It was run and operated by QuadBob, Bob
Herndon. He basically disappeared, took the money and ran. There are
many people that paid him large amounts of money to service their
stereo equipment, and he has stopped responding to emails, stopped
answering his phone, and given no sign nor indication that he has any
intention of finishing any of the work or returning any of the money
or equipment. Bailing on QpS and running off with the membership fees
and treasury is one of many dishonorable things he has done. He
didn't have to be the be all and end all of QpS, and other members
could have kept it going, but I suppose it's hard to have a desire to
keep something going that has become a negative thing, or to try and
take up a 2nd collection to rebuild a treasury. Plus, with the
converters releasing stuff themselves without dealing with the
bureaucracy of QpS, the group has really become unnecessary. The real
premise of the group was to pool money to buy rare stuff off of ebay.
That rarely happened, because between the membership, usually we could
find someone that already owned something. So, with the spirit of
friendship and sharing, we never needed QpS.
There weren't a whole lot of QpS conversions, and the best stuff that
they got their hands on has since been released to the wonderful world
of Demonoid. (which never got distributed to the membership due to
QB's objections to them not going through the proper review process.
QB still has boxes of discs)
I'll have to ask my friends about more info on the WYWH transfer, but
if I recall correctly, I remember hearing that it was an SQ conversion.
jolson
...and the sixth, the "Harvest SQ-LP Restoration" (by Archi-Med?) 3.07
GB
...the seventh will probably be the Q8->DVD-A, by Archi-Med, from
zzayyazz (bad quality) Q8-DTS.
...will the eigth be "The Fox/Hub Q8->DVD-A"?
grill
Yes, Jolson, the Russians, I know of them.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Fox's success.
> > SQ-LP conversion by Kap'n Krunch 2.97 GB- Idézett szöveg elrejtése -
Lokkerman
Lokks
george...@comcast.net
There are at least 4 people who regularly read this forum who have the QpS version of WYWH. Since I don't see any replies from them, I'm reluctant to assume QpS is free-for-all.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lokkerman" <phil.s...@gmail.com>
To: surrou...@googlegroups.com
Lokkerman
VF
thanks AOQ...
He took the money and ran???
If the whole reason for not sharing outside QpS was (probably largely)
because each conversion (or the conversions on the whole) was a "group
investment" (and thus the people who helped pay for obtaining of the sources
should be the only ones benefiting from the transfers), then this is a total
joke!
I prefer to respect the wishes of other file sharing/trading communities as
much as I can, vehemently in fact. This includes certain private and
secretive torrent trackers I belong to which have specific rules for many of
their uploads not to be uploaded anywhere else. By default, I would act the
same way with QpS or any other group with such rules.
But you have to ask yourself the reason why you respect "others' wishes" -
it's either in respect for that other community/uploader or because you want
to be on their good side so you can continue to (directly) benefit from
them...
From judging this situation, we have absolutely nothing to lose by sharing
any QpS releases. It (bob) no longer has anything to offer, and doesn't look
like it ever will again. So George, no one mandates the "rules" for QpS
anymore...it doesn't even exist...
"the spirit of friendship and sharing" is a good phrase to use - that is
what defines our motives at the google group and should be the case
anywhere.
And as for whether QpS deserves any friendship/respect, even if it doesn't
exist anymore - well to each his own, but to me bob clearly doesn't want to
be friends with anyone, to say the very least. He clearly doesn't deserve
any respect either, for both him or any wishes of his.
And yeah, another common reason for exclusive sharing within a closed group
of people is the desire to keep a low profile - nothing wrong with that, but
that reasoning can also be undermined in QpS's case - AFAIK, nearly all of
the people who ever did transfers for QpS do or have done their own public
releasing anyway - "security" is not a reason to withhold QpS conversions
from the public, either.
Anyway, someone who has the QpS Q8->DVD-A/DVD-V transfer has contacted me
and said they'll share it on the hub tonight..haven't had a chance to speak
to them at length but I think they were a full QpS member and if there's any
OTHER unique rips not shared anywhere else before, I hope they can be
shared. Why keep any secrets, seriously...I don't see one logical reason to.
*shrug*
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From: surrou...@googlegroups.com [mailto:surrou...@googlegroups.com]
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:59:49 -0500
Subject: Re: [SurroundSound] WYWH - Pink Floyd
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Just noting that alan’s message just then was originally submitted about 12 hours ago (must be a new email you’re using alan?), I must have missed it in the moderation queue along with the average 5 spam messages I have to clean up per day :P. Sorry bout that.
scolumbo
do some file cleanup). The file folder is labeled with a kk (2.97 GB).
On Mar 12, 4:03 pm, "VF" <vf.surro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just noting that alan's message just then was originally submitted about 12
> hours ago (must be a new email you're using alan?), I must have missed it in
> the moderation queue along with the average 5 spam messages I have to clean
> up per day :P. Sorry bout that.
>
> From: surrou...@googlegroups.com [mailto:surrou...@googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of alan fox
> Sent: Friday, 12 March 2010 7:18 PM
> To: surrou...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [SurroundSound] WYWH - Pink Floyd
>
> I have a good Q8 of WYWH. If anyone has the capability to do the transfer
> I'd be willing to contribute this copy for consideration. Foxcub1950
>
> _____
>
> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:59:49 -0500
> Subject: Re: [SurroundSound] WYWH - Pink Floyd
> From: sthunderroc...@gmail.com
> To: surrou...@googlegroups.com
>
> Which version is this?http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/413942/1984882/
> It's not the same torrent I downloaded, as I recall, but sounds like the
> same copy. I believe I also have the Quadumvirate copy, but I might be
> missing the Tom M. and KapNKrunch ones.
>
> I do have a copy of the Q8 with the lineage of Q8>Reel>Reel but surely
> someone out there has the Q8 to clean up.
> S
>
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:51 PM, VF <vf.surro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ah so I'm assuming that is the QpS one then? A Q8->DVD-A? This is what I
> thought I once saw, and thought everyone had anyway...if this is true (it
> was upped on demonoid) I'm surprised no one seems to have it???
>
> From: surrou...@googlegroups.com [mailto:surrou...@googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Stephen Disney
> Sent: Friday, 12 March 2010 3:40 PM
> To: surrou...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [SurroundSound] WYWH - Pink Floyd
>
> There is a DVD-A version that was on the 'noid. Touted as the Ultimate
> version... designed to rival the DSOTM DVD-A... and it is the best version I
> have found aside from my own mint vinyl.
> S
>
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:15 AM, <georgeshan...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> There is the QpS version which has a Q8 source.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lokkerman" <phil.steep...@gmail.com>
> To: Surrou...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:56:54 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
> Subject: [SurroundSound] WYWH - Pink Floyd
>
> Guys
>
> On the hub we have been trying to track down the definitive "Wish You Were"
> Here in Quad.
>
> We know of at least 3 Vinyl Rips and there was a Q8 Rip which I do believe
> is DTS done by Tab Patterson. (Nice to have the WAV files and not lossy DTS)
>
> Anyone know of anymore? There is a BBC variant which would be lovely to get
> our hands on - a matrix H broadcast (referring to WYWH):
>
> "The U.K. release states that the disc was engineered by Brian Humphries at
> Abbey Road Studios. However the BBC obtained the masters and remixed them
> for Matrix H transmission in 1978, when on that occassion they were done by
> Tony Wilson at the BBC, broadcast over National BBC FM Radio 2 in the United
> Kingdom" - Soundcentre (Quadraphonic Quad)
>
> I've also included a few links that I've uncovered on my path to
> enlightenment:
>
> Tab's Sitehttp://www.4channelsound.com/list.htm
>
> And another interesting catalogue:http://members.cox.net/surround/quaddisc/quadindx.htm
>
> Happy hunting Folks
>
> Lokks
>
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River161
Conversion (???) (as A&V TS folder) 3.59 GB
Conversion by Area51 1.80 GB
SQ-LP conversion by Tom M. 2.63 GB
SQ-LP conversion by Kap'n Krunch 2.97 GB"
It's virtually impossible to compile every time someone has attempted
to do something with WYWH if you're including stereo-to-surround
conversions, as you've done with the Area51 mix. I can remember, off
the top of my head, about three or four other attempts to do stereo-to-
surround over the years by reputable converters, and that doesn't even
take into account the countless times someone I never heard of upped a
mix to usenet which I never got to. This is why I never attempt
albums like this - everyone else is trying it.
it's the wild, wild west out there, and I think all of us are starting
to realize how much bigger the surround world is than any of us
thought.
If you're looking to compile stereo-to-surround conversions for this,
there could be a newer version with newer technologies done.
grill
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grill
conversions but the valuable ones. I need your help in choosing and/or
creating (eg. by SBU) them.
Stephen Disney
As for WYWH... the Quad mix is in my mind superior to the stereo mix in every way. More BGVs (at least higher in the mix... ie the 3 part BGVs in Welcome to the Machine), an all around nicer mix, clarity of instruments by seperation. Its honestly in my top 3 Quad mixes... if not my favorite. No offense (again) but any stereo conversion would be lacking the details that made the quad mix so special... no matter how amazingly done.
S
oblio98
is/was a close friend of QuadBob. This was probably one of the best
conversions that he had done. It's a very good disc, in terms of QpS.
There is also a version of this title that was done by the same people
that brought you the unofficial "official" DSOTM DVD-A from the master
tape. This version was done from a brand new, first played after
unsealing SQ LP. This version has full graphics and MLP and DTS
tracks. This was NOT a QpS release.
There are countless other versions of Q8 conversions floating around
out there. This is a tough title to do, as the Q8 has a lot of hiss
and noise at the start of the tape where the music fades in at very
low volume levels. For those just learning, this is where the NR is
usually applied with a heavy hand, which creates an inferior
conversion.
Fan51_SBU
"very best" method would be quite special. What would the very best
stereo source be?
VF
The one done by the same crew that did DSotM, is that one of the many SQ
ones we have been already talking about (and have)? (would be easily
identifiable by the artwork and perhaps presence of the DTS tracks in the
same release). Is it perhaps the one on demonoid that says it's amazing in
the release description (linked earlier in this thread)?
Which one overall do you think is the best, oblio98 (sounds like you've
listened to both)? That's what's so fascinating about it all, it's like
vinyl rips in general, many are different, but not necessarily definitively
better than another...
Funny that despite countless Q8 conversions floating out there, none have
made it to wide exposure (yet). Also sounds exciting that foxcub1950 may do
one!
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Subject: [SurroundSound] Re: WYWH - Pink Floyd
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S
gshannon
absolutely quiet, discrete quad mix presentation. The sound of the
vocals and guitars are anemic. Bass is too low. The sax sound is
surprisingly good though.
The Q8 conversion is overall more richly presented. vocals, guitars,
sax are right there. The bass was eq'd to perfection. His signature -
perfect bass eq. Careful listening reveals the tape hiss ever
present.
Both are perfect in their own way, but different.
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VF
unfortunately turned out not to have it and, déjà vu, mixed it up with the
DSotM crew's SQ one. They were however a QpS member and have other QpS
titles, which may or may not be of interest due to other superior rips being
widely shared/the same ones already shared anyway - I've encouraged him to
share them when he gets a chance.
Is anyone who definitely has it (several who regularly read this board and
at least two who have posted in this thread and talked about it) interested
in sharing this?
River161
there was a DVD-V floating around a few years ago (I believe I still
have it) of "Dark Side of the Rainbow" with a 5.1 mix of DSOTM on it,
which was then followed by a pretty good WYWH.....for it's time, at
least. It's been a while since I've heard it.
Like I said, there's so many surround versions of the album floating
out there in cyberspace that it'd be impossible to tell what's best.
I probably have one or two lying around that I can give a listen to.
I can also take my Gold Disc and see what SPEC can do. I'm sure the
Area51 mix is good as well, as nothing of poor quality was never put
out there with that tag.
Steven....I would reserve judgment on whether a version from stereo
could, or couldn't, be better than a version from the quad. Both ways
of achieving surround have its merits and drawbacks. We have no idea
unless we try and, even if we don't get it right the first time, we
can always continue to get better and better.
Stephen Disney
Seriously, I applaud your skill and appreciate your willingness to stand behind the technology. Trust me, I have been engineering audio for many years and love all the technological advances. I follow them and use them extensively. I even think there is a place for a tool like SPEC in the process of surround mixing. And there are plenty of albums that only exist in a stereo master... with no existing multitracks. I hope the tech gets so good that we can do dream mixes at our own whims. However, just as Abby Road couldn't separate John's vocal from his piano in Free As A Bird. You simply CANNOT make a discrete mix from 2 channel stereo. End of story.
But fine... prove me wrong. Take a CD of DSOTM and make better surround than the Parsons Quad DVD-A and I will be an upmix convert. Show me you can do more with 2 channels than Alan Parsons did with 16. Good luck...
S
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VF
On this board you are expected to respect each other’s views.
It doesn’t matter how crazy you think an opposing view is, you must respect it please. Yes, put forth your view, but do so with civility, not in a disrespectful tone. The way we are able to co-exist is with this basic rule of etiquette.
As we have seen, the majority of this community is either able to tolerate others putting forth favourable views on upmixing (and possibly resonate with it to an extent), or at the very least just ignore it and move on. Healthy debate should also be able to take place, while retaining calm and civility in discussion.
Thanks
VF
elshagon
sound field with upmixes of an album for which a perfectly good
discrete mix
exists?"
a long time people have been searching for a copy that could live up
to the bootleg Parson's Quad. I've heard plenty of Quad transfers
that have underwhelmed me for whatever reason. I'm not ready to
dismiss anyone's efforts to upmix an album. I prefer the higher
resolution of discrete surround mixes made from original multitracks,
but we all know even that doesn't gaurantee good quality.
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:48 PM, River161 <jorge0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> there was a DVD-V floating around a few years ago (I believe I still
> have it) of "Dark Side of the Rainbow" with a 5.1 mix of DSOTM on it,
> which was then followed by a pretty good WYWH.....for it's time, at
> least. It's been a while since I've heard it.
>
> Like I said, there's so many surround versions of the album floating
> out there in cyberspace that it'd be impossible to tell what's best.
> I probably have one or two lying around that I can give a listen to.
> I can also take my Gold Disc and see what SPEC can do. I'm sure the
> Area51 mix is good as well, as nothing of poor quality was never put
> out there with that tag.
>
> Steven....I would reserve judgment on whether a version from stereo
> could, or couldn't, be better than a version from the quad. Both ways
> of achieving surround have its merits and drawbacks. We have no idea
> unless we try and, even if we don't get it right the first time, we
> can always continue to get better and better.
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Stephen Disney
I have several upmixes of albums with no existing discrete mixes. For instance, the much praised Led Zeppellin and Beatles TOUP mixes and several Gart and Area 51 mixes. Some are very good, but none truly satisfy my desire for discrete separation consistently throughout. Yes they provide an excellent surround field and some quite good, almost discrete panning at times, but not the real satisfaction that a discrete mix gives.
I wasn't trying to be uncivil, but rather make a point. The stereo mix of WYWH simply doesn't have all the elements that are in the quad mix. A good part of what makes the quad mix so special (IMO) are the subtle things in the mix that are not in the stereo mix or are buried within, and therefore an upmix from the stereo mix could never rival (for me at least). Even the absolute best of upmixes can't add something that isn't there to begin with. Now if he starts with a stereo source of the quad mix, he'd have a better chance...
Sincerely,
S
grill
following DVDA transfers:
SQ-LP conversion (Quadumvirate) 3.59 GB
Conversion by Area51 1.80 GB
SQ-LP conversion by Tom M. 2.63 GB
SQ-LP conversion by Kap'n Krunch 2.97 GB
Harvest SQ-LP Restoration 3.07 GB
I (we) still miss:
Conversion (???) (as A&V TS folder) 3.59 GB. Could someone help me to
get it?
Q8 lossless transfer. I can see two chances to have it: the QpS
version or if someone could help Foxcub1950 in transferring his Q8.
So-called "Ultimate WYWH DVD-A" referred by Stephen Disney. Could
someone help me to get it?
SBU upmix. Both Fan51_SBU and River161 have showed some interest in
creating it.
Anything else?
Regarding choosing the appropriate source for SBU upmix here's a
mastering discography from NetLab:
Sony two-tracks base master (1982) PE
44:13 - 69.5 / 83.6
CK 33453 (Columbia 1983 US/Japan 1 Sony) ???
35DP 4 (CBS/Sony 1982 Japan 1) * yury_usa 2006
Sony base master (1984)
44:18 (:16?) - 100 / 100 / 100 / 100 / 100
CDCBS 80955 (CBS Austria DADC-A)
CK 33453 (Columbia 1984 US 2-3 DADC)
CK 33453 (Columbia 1986 US/Japan 4 Denon)
CK 33453 (Columbia US 5 Pitman) ???
CK 33453 (Columbia US 6-7 Pitman) as Sony 1A master
CK 33453 (Columbia 1992+ US 8-10 Pitman) as Sony 1B master * Zliv 2009
CK 33453 (Columbia US 11 Technicolor ) ??? as Sony 1B master
CK 33453 (Columbia US 12 DADC?) ??? as Sony 1B master
CDCBS 80955 (CBS 1985 Australia 2 Disctronics)
32DP 359 (CBS/Sony 1985 Japan 2)
28DP 5005 (CBS/Sony 1988 Japan 3) * yury_usa 2007
Здесь могут быть разные оцифровки, поскольку их затруднительно
различать по пиковым уровням.
Sony Cinram base master
44:14 - 93.3 / 93.3 / 93.3 / 93.3 / 93.3
CK 33453 (Columbia Canada 1 Cinram) * Zliv 2008
Sony Sonopress base master (WG 1984)
44:10 - 94.9 / 100.0 / 95.1 / 90.5 / 88.5
CDP 7 46035 2 (Harvest 1984 UK/Japan 1 Sony)
CDP 7 46035 2 (Harvest 1986 UK/Japan 2 Toshiba)
CDP 7 46035 2 (Harvest WG Sonopress)
EMI Swindon base master (1986)
44:08 - 100 / 100 / 100 / 100 / 100
CDP 7 46035 2 (Harvest 1986+ UK 3-6 Swindon) * Zliv 2008
CDP 7 46035 2 (Harvest Italy 1)
EMI 1992 remaster (for Shine On) - Doug Sax 1992
44:18 - 97.7 / 97.7 / 97.7 / 87.6 / 92.0
0777 7 80567 2 (EMI 1992 EU 1) Shine On CD 5 only
Sony 1992 remaster (for Shine On) - Doug Sax 1992
44:18 - 100 / 100 / 100 / 90.2 / 94.5
CK 53185 (Columbia 1992 US 1-2) Shine On CD 5 only
44:19 - 100 / 100 / 100 / 89.6 / 94.2 (???)
CK 53185 (Columbia US 3) Shine On CD 5 only
EMI 1994 EU remaster (1994) - Doug Sax 1992
44:08 - 97.7 / 97.7 / 97.7 / 97.7 / 97.7
7243 8 29750 2 (EMI 1994 NL 3 Uden, Italy 2) for EU - ???
7243 5 29071 2 (EMI 2000 NL 4 Uden mini LP) for EU
7243 8 29750 2 (EMI Argentina Teltron)
0777 7 80567 2 (EMI EU late) Shine On CD 5 *
5099951 110628 (Oh by the Way CD 10) * OlCh 2008
Sony/EMI 1994 US remaster (1994/97) - Doug Sax 1992
44:26 - 100 / 100 / 99.9 / 88.8 / 92.2
CK 68522 (Columbia 1997 US Nimbus) Anniversary Edition * Oven & DmS
(Meithar) 2003 & audiospirit 2007
CDP 7243 8 29750 2 (Capitol 2000 US Jax) * LF 2002
CDP 7243 8 29750 2 (Capitol 2004 US Cinram)
7243 8 29750 2 (EMI Music Canada 3 Cinram)
TOCP-65560 (Toshiba-EMI 2000 Japan 6)
TOCP-65549 (Toshiba-EMI 2000 Japan 7) mini-LP sleeve - ???
TOCP-53808 (Toshiba-EMI 2006-07 Japan 8) Rock U.K. series - ???
Sony SBM 20-bit remaster (1994)
44:12 - 100 / 100 / 100 / 98.5 / 100
CK 53753 (Columbia US/Japan 1994 Sony) Gold MasterSound Edition *
yury_usa 2006
SRCS 6762 (Sony 1994 Japan 4)
Sony 1997 remaster (for Anniversary Edition)
44:23 - 100 / 100 / 100 / 89.3 / 92.0
4 89106 2 (Columbia 1997 Australia 6 SMEA) Anniversary Edition
SRCS 8483 (Sony 1998 Japan 5)
Richard
grill
on relevant forums like QQ, AVS etc. to get opinions and help from
there, too.
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Lokkerman
Lokkerman
The Q8 DTS in my share appears to be the QpS one. What we need is the lossless transfer of it.
Pull it off my share and you will here a number of differences, in fact, different mixes (sorry I didn't catalogue them)
Lokks
Lokkerman
MrMalice
I've compared the description from the Mojave post from Sep 7, 2008, to the info file in my share, and they are the same.
Lokkerman
That's the version most of us have, also Kapn'Krunch' was available off Avax (still is) and Tom's is in my share. Appears only one SQ version missing but sill after the elusive Q8 in Wav not DTS.
grill
I'll ask Floydflush on AVS forum about the misterious Conversion (???)
(as A&V TS folder) 3.59 GB.
mix.
I'm considering to inculde Animal upmixes by Area51 and Floydflush,
too.
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yorama
as other versions that I have downloaded, also for some reason the mix
does not sound to me like the original, example, the guitar solo part
in the title song, it is as if some tracks are missing or buried in
the mix. This may be expected from a Quad or Surround mix but I do not
think that this was intention in this case. Fortunately I have a DTS
file that sounds real good (a bit heavy at the bottom but clean) and
all the parts are there. Listening to it loud on headphones I hear no
vinyl surface noise or other artifacts, only tape hiss, and it does
contain four discreet tracks. I apologize for not knowing what the
source is as it was some time ago that I downloaded and repacked it to
a .nrg (Audio CD image) file for playing with PowerDVD (I wouldn't do
that today without backing up the original). FWIW the size of the file
is 455 MB (477, 232, 774 bytes).
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Whilst on - I compared Tom's versus KapN'Krunch's. (KNK) today.
First thing that hit me is why we do things in 96/24 and not 48. The KNK version appears to have a lot higher soundstage. Yet the Tom's version has a truly sweet sounding guitar. One thing about the Profiteroles (KNK) version that is there is a lot less edge distortion. We covered this earlier as Profit uses a tangential arm. Both very good and well worth a listen.
alan fox
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Fan51_SBU
1. Unidentified CD
2. Columbia/Legacy Mastersound Edition CK 53753
3. Toshiba EMI TOCP 65549
I carefully listened to each one and #3 sounds best to me. I upmixed
it before with an older method. I have to try it with SPEC and see
what happens.
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River161
We'll hit "reset" on the topic and I'll reply to this second email..
I can completely understand your passion and commitment. No issue
there.
I also don't want to be premature myself and attempt to discredit your
opinion. I've never listened to the WYWH stereo with the intent of
seeing what I could get out of it conversion-wise (which is, sadly,
something my ears just do by default on just about everything at this
point.) I've never tried converting it because, like I said, my time
was always better spent elsewhere. Everyone who learns any little
surround method they find out there wants to convert WYWH and DSOTM,
no matter how many times it's been done before. There's also such an
emotional connection to those two albums that just putting them out
there invites way too much criticism that I'd rather do without most
of the time. :) However, I was asked by someone here if I could give
it a shot, had my curiosity peaked, and am deciding to give it a try.
To me, what makes an album good for separation-based stereo-to-
surround conversion is where things are placed in the soundfield in
the stereo. If you can clearly hear things in the front and back of
the mix, if the vocal is well-centered, etc., your chances are better
at getting a more, like you say, "discrete" mix. However, SPEC has
routinely shocked me in that it's been able to get more out of some
albums than I ever thought was possible before. As a point of
reference, there are DKA mixes of the Bowie catalog floating around
that do things with those albums that I never was able to do with past
methods. It may be that, no matter what I, or anyone else does, there
are things that can't be done as well as the quad mix separation-
wise. It's just not a guarantee, to myself, either way. There is
also more than one criteria by which I judge a surround mix other than
"discreteness." Overall sound quality is important as well, and where
many quad transfers fall short. Again, like you have your opinion, I
have mine.
I have nothing but the utmost respect for those who are dedicated to
the preservation of older quad recordings. There is enough technology
out there for no format to be allowed to die, and there is a passion
about those recordings that is really cool to see. I've had lovely
interactions with guys like PhillyBob, BobR, etc., over the years.
However, the preservation of quad and the creation of stereo-to-
surround are apples and oranges in many ways. I also am, admittedly,
younger than the quad era and do not have the same attachment to it
that others have. I DL the occassional quad transfer, but it's simply
not where my heart is. That needs to be fine.
The stereo-to-surround (or upmixing, or whatever anyone wants to call
it. i personally never liked the term "upmix," but it's all good)
community had previously been a pretty insular crowd for a variety of
reasons. With the launch of what I think it the most exhaustive and
user-friendly site dedicated the subject, it was time to branch out
more and create new relationships. That's why I'm here. I fully
realize that it means butting heads a bit with people who have
considered themselves "purists" for many years. That doesn't come as
a surprise to me. It's a tricky tightrope walk between attempting to
correct what I sometimes see as misconceptions as to stereo-to-
surround and trying to convince others it's a worthwhile venture to
them. If someone doesn't want to be sold on the topic, that they're
right, and I am fine with it. You can't please everyone, and there
are some people out there have systems out there that are so high-end
that they will clearly show you every imperfection in every mix,
whether done in someone's living room or done in a professional
studio. That's why I "get" the SACD and DVD-A thing, even though I
don't have much of a use for it myself. Maybe someday. :)
Anyways, I could write more, but I hope this helps recenter this
tangent a bit. I'm sure we have a ton to continue to learn from one
another, and I welcome that.
VF
But river161, every new message posted by an address not previously
registered on the group before, is automatically put in a queue to be
approved by a group manager (currently only me :P). So it had to be
moderated first and I was out all day...:)
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Stephen,
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River161
it's all yours, then, if you want to take the plunge. I only have #2
out of these.
i had written a reply to Stephen's second post earlier today, but it
seems to have been lost in email limbo. i'm not going to attempt to
replicate it since, at this point, i'd rather move on and simply agree
to disagree here.
River161
ah. i had switched email addresses earlier today. that must explain
it. don't have to worry about it not being there anymore. :)
VF
Thanks Stephen, appreciate that <3.
From: surrou...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:surrou...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Disney
Sent: Saturday, 13 March 2010 9:20 AM
To: surrou...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [SurroundSound] Re: WYWH - Pink Floyd
My apologies. I am passionate in my opinions and only intended to make a point... admittedly a little heavy-handedly.
Fan51_SBU
the conversion using the Toshiba source, which is even better than I
initially thought. I think this will be a great example of what can be
achieved with a top-notch source and upmixing method. It will be
available on the hub shortly.
elshagon
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grill
onto a BDA disc for celebrating the 35th anniversary of Pink Floyd
WYWH:
Matrix:
SQ-LP conversion (Quadumvirate) - 3.59 GB
SQ-LP conversion by Tom M. - 2.63 GB
SQ-LP conversion by Kap'n Krunch - 2.97 GB
Harvest (Q4SHVL814) SQ-LP Restoration by zzayyazz - 3.07 GB
Upmix:
Conversion by Area51 - 1.80 GB
SPEC conversion by SBU_001 - 1.18 GB (Source TOCP-65549, Toshiba-EMI
2000 Japan 7 mini-LP)
SPEC conversion by insania2040 - 2.19 GB (Source CBS Mastersound HC
33453 24/96 vinyl rip by Dr. Robert)
The lossless discrete Q8 transfer is still missing.
Anything else?
Although I have some info and cover arts belonging to these
conversions I'd appreciate to get any other ones. Elshagon has made a
kind offer me to customize the covers for this bootleg BDA release.
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Brian Treml
> SQ-LP conversion (Quadumvirate) - 3.59 GB= SQ USA LP has flat sound, better separation, clear sax and crummy sounding Have A Cigar.
> SQ-LP conversion by Tom M. - 2.63 GB=Do not have this one
> SQ-LP conversion by Kap'n Krunch - 2.97 GB=Do not have
> Harvest (Q4SHVL814) SQ-LP Restoration by zzayyazz - 3.07 GB=UK SQ LP ran through Adobe matrix decode and EQ'd to what the author thought it should sound like including reversing the channels to match the stereo version. If you break this one apart you will notice the two rear channels are identical making this a Dolby Surround from quad version.
>
> Upmix:
> Conversion by Area51 - 1.80 GB=I did not download this because an upmix does not interest me although their Houses Of The Holy by Zepp is quite well done.
> SPEC conversion by SBU_001 - 1.18 GB (Source TOCP-65549, Toshiba-EMI 2000 Japan 7 mini-LP)=This is quite good but alas is the stereo with the shorter songs and different mix.
> SPEC conversion by insania2040 - 2.19 GB (Source CBS Mastersound HC 33453 24/96 vinyl rip by Dr. Robert)=This should have been left stereo as that mix was also flat and off a second generation tape CBS had at the time. Still half Speed Mastered and still off the original tape just which original tape is the question and was the question.
>
> The lossless discrete Q8=I do have this and it is the only true discrete version. Alas it is an 8-track and you will never achieve full fidelityfrom it.
There is also a Quad Reel that exists but has never been transfered to
a shareable medium most likely because it is so rare no one can get
their paws on it.
There are perhaps up to 16 releases of Wish You Were Here in various
alternate mixes from different countries and on different mediums. I
have worked high and low to get my mits on all of them this being my
favorite album of all time but alot of them are elusive.
grill
WYWH of all time. Can you recommend any other valuable and available
transfers to be included in this compilation?
Profiteroles
guess is a Q8 xfer. great bottom end but no top end-well it's ok, but
doesn't hold a candle to the LP fidelity.
I don't consider my version to be the "Ultimate" conversion, my ego is
not that inflated-I just call it "my version". I don't think it's
perfect, but it's a s close to it as I could master it and considering
the 5000+ pops the LP had , it's a frickin' miracle that it came out
sounding as good as it did...
The rules are;
96/24 recording
Linear Tracking TT (Lokkerman and I are partners in this)
Noise reduction ONLY in short parts , if at all-NEVER on the whole
release.
Manual declicking-or if it's not electronic, a real time "Click
Repair" session
Lots o' Love
hehehe...
Cheers,
kn' k
grill
Thank you for you kind input and more importantly thanks for your huge
work on your WYWH transfer. I'm glad not to have to say WYWH because
you are here :-)
ArnoldLayne
surround programs, testing everything from all channel stereo to THX
neural surround. This "upmix" treatment is IMHO sonically not superior
to the K'n'K version. And I agree with that the quad mix brings
another dimension to the album. 4+0 turns out being more than 5+1, so
to say. So I really think we should focus on how to make the Q8 and
Reel conversions happen. AoQ, are you with us?
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On Mar 12, 2:35 pm, grill <gr...@index.hu> wrote:
> Yes, I understand your point. I don't want to compile every
> conversions but the valuable ones. I need your help in choosing and/or
> creating (eg. by SBU) them.
>
> On márc. 12, 22:20, River161 <jorge0...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
>
> > "SQ-LP conversion (Quadumvirate) 3.59 GB
> > Conversion (???) (as A&V TS folder) 3.59 GB
> > Conversion by Area51 1.80 GB
> > SQ-LP conversion by Tom M. 2.63 GB
> > SQ-LP conversion by Kap'n Krunch 2.97 GB"
>
> > It's virtually impossible to compile every time someone has attempted
> > to do something with WYWH if you're including stereo-to-surround
> > conversions, as you've done with the Area51 mix. I can remember, off
> > the top of my head, about three or four other attempts to do stereo-to-
> > surround over the years by reputable converters, and that doesn't even
> > take into account the countless times someone I never heard of upped a
> > mix to usenet which I never got to. This is why I never attempt
> > albums like this - everyone else is trying it.
>
> > it's the wild, wild west out there, and I think all of us are starting
> > to realize how much bigger the surround world is than any of us
> > thought.
>
> > If you're looking to compile stereo-to-surround conversions for this,
> > there could be a newer version with newer technologies done.- Hide quoted text -
Lokkerman
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On Mar 16, 9:27 pm, alan fox <af...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you George, I have been waiting for this a very long time. Foxcub1950
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ears. The anniversary compilation is complete now (imho). Few hours
ago in his comment Romanotrax also confirmed on the noid that this one
is definitely from the Q8 tape.
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cheers,
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> Betreff: [SurroundSound] Re: WYWH - Pink Floyd
> Thank you ever so much, George. We called Gods and we have had Gods'
> ears. The anniversary compilation is complete now (imho). Few hours
> ago in his comment Romanotrax also confirmed on the noid that this one
> is definitely from the Q8 tape.
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> On m�rc. 17, 06:14, elshagon <elsha...@msn.com> wrote:
> > And it sound marvelous!
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> > On Mar 16, 9:27�pm, alan fox <af...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Thank you George, �I have been waiting for this a very long time.
> �Foxcub1950
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> > > > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:58:08 -0700
> > > > Subject: [SurroundSound] Re: WYWH - Pink Floyd
> > > > From: elsha...@msn.com
> > > > To: surrou...@googlegroups.com
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> > > > Thanks George!
> >
> > > > On Mar 16, 4:54 pm, Lokkerman <phil.steep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > We should be saying thanks George :-)
> >
> > > > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 11:52 PM, elshagon <elsha...@msn.com>
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> > > > > > Looks like a Q8 on the noid, lossless dvd-a 4.0
> >
> > > > > > On Mar 12, 2:35 pm, grill <gr...@index.hu> wrote:
> > > > > > > Yes, I understand your point. I don't want to compile every
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Meanwile enjoy the single albums and it may be worth waiting for other
good conversions coming to light.
I still need some information about the source and the converson
method of Area51 upmix.
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Hopefully this weekend I will be transfering my U.K. SQ Quadraphonic
Fresh opened, played once, copy of Wish You Were Here to DTS CD using
my tangential Pioneer PL-1000, Stanton 981-HZ and Sony SQD-2021 Full
Logic Decoder. This will be in DTS format, will NOT be an upmix and
the only processing will be de-clicking and overall volume correction
so the wave files are of the correct gain. It will be a single wave
file with cue. I have had bad luck with ISO files and uploading. This
should sound identical to the way you would hear it or buy it in 1976
as the full logic decoder I have was not availible when this first
came out in 75. I will be posting this on the noid under Britre so
please watch for it next week.
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That sounds awesome!!
Can i please be a pain in the ass (arse) and do a lot of grovelling, I know on behalf of everyone here.
Could you please post the Flacs or Wavs as I for one do not like DTS and having just heard the WYWH Q8 in PCM for the first time I understand why. Just that DTS is lossy and we just love lossless. The thought of this on new vinyl on 96/24. ;-P
If you don't want to package as a DVDA; the wav/flacs will do as there are quite a few guys here willing to do it.
Now back to grovelling; please, please, please, please etc :-)
Lokks
RW
and it looks like we have a fair number of seeders helping us along. I
will leave it seeding for a few weeks and with my bandwidth downloads
should be pretty darn fast once Ihave the entire file...
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the MFSL CD through your receiver's surround options? I don't see the
connection there whatsoever.
First of all, Fan51's conversion did not use the MFSL source, but the
Toshiba source, which he determined to be superior. Second of all,
running a stereo source through a receiver's surround function is not
even remotely in the same planet as using a stereo-to-surround method,
such as SPEC, and carefully tweaking it to desired results.
Of course doing what you did would sound awful. It's not even
remotely what we do.
*bangs head against wall*
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of it by skimming through.
Ok, I guess I was wrong about QpS doing an SQ of WYWH. I was never
sure of the details on that, but sounds like people that know more
about it than me have said it's a Q8 conversion. I'll need to ask my
sources for a copy.
I couldn't help but stop and think when I saw Alan Fox's generous
offer to lend out a Q8 for conversion. Even though it's not one of my
favorite albums, it certainly is one that deserves to have a
definitive best we can get from the best source we can get our hands
on dvd-a. I'm usually not one to tackle a conversion if I can't
better what is already out there. So, I will need to track down and
take a listen to the QpS one. If I think I can better it, I'm game if
the offer still stands.
Lokkerman
You can - for as start it needs 96/24 - and more than anything your TLC
Lokks
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noise reduction. My conversion may leave a little more hiss, but I
think it will sound more natural in the high range. Those that have
been happy with my past Q8 conversions will probably be quite pleased
with what I turn out.
On Mar 17, 9:45 pm, Stephen Disney <sthunderroc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> George... seriously... thanks again for the Q8!!! Just like my Q8>Reel copy
> but with a LOT less hiss. Bass heavy, but what a rich analogue bass. If
> AoQ does anything better... I might just explode...
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> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:56 PM, alan fox <af...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Still game if you want to give it a go. Fox
>
> > > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:59:38 -0700
> > > Subject: [SurroundSound] Re: WYWH - Pink Floyd
> > > From: armyofq...@gmail.com
> > > To: surrou...@googlegroups.com
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> > > Wow, this has been a lengthy thread, hopefully I got the gist of all
> > > of it by skimming through.
>
> > > Ok, I guess I was wrong about QpS doing an SQ of WYWH. I was never
> > > sure of the details on that, but sounds like people that know more
> > > about it than me have said it's a Q8 conversion. I'll need to ask my
> > > sources for a copy.
>
> > > I couldn't help but stop and think when I saw Alan Fox's generous
> > > offer to lend out a Q8 for conversion. Even though it's not one of my
> > > favorite albums, it certainly is one that deserves to have a
> > > definitive best we can get from the best source we can get our hands
> > > on dvd-a. I'm usually not one to tackle a conversion if I can't
> > > better what is already out there. So, I will need to track down and
> > > take a listen to the QpS one. If I think I can better it, I'm game if
> > > the offer still stands.
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the scene.
I'll report here our WYWH project status soon.
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conversion. I've never before seen so many positive comments to an
upload and was thrilled to see them. Am sure the people who did the
conversion were pleased to see them too.
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be a dvd-audio, or dts? What size will it end up being? What mixes
and sources are going on it? I will make a custom dvd cover for it in
photoshop with the info, thanks!
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River161
Well......if the result of this long thread was that the quadheads got
a Q8--->4.0 mix and those who like stereo-to-surround conversions got
their best version yet, I'd say everyone's a winner.
I've got both AoQ and Fan51's versions. Both represent the past and
present of surround technology, bring their own unique spin to the
album (listen to "Welcome to the Machine" on both.....the differences
in placement in both are interesting, to say the least) and both
individuals should take a victory lap for their efforts. I hope Grill
does them both proud with his project.
Lokkerman
It's something special when a thread gets to 100.
All we need now is confirmation that AoQ will be doing the new definitive version of WYWH to add to all the others.
What a result,,,,
thanks to all
@Lokks
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On Mar 18, 5:13 pm, grill <gr...@index.hu> wrote:
> Status report:
>
> Target No.1: to commemorate and celebrate the 35th anniversary of WYWH
> by compiling its all the available and valuable surround transfers on
> a BD-audio disc
> Target No.2: to show and prove to EMI/Capitol our great demand for an
> official release of this album in a high resolution digital surround
> format
>
> The compilation:
>
> Source l Creator l Format l Album info l Album art by the creator/
> releaser l Release size l dtshd size
>
> SQ-LP Matrix:
> Columbia Quad Vinyl USA First 100 Pressings l Quadumvirate l 4.0 -
> 24/96 l Yes l Yes l 3.59 GB l 1.39 GB
> Originak quadraphonic vinyl edition (Q4SHVL814) UK 1975 l Tom M. l 4.0
> - 24/48 l Yes l Yes l 2.63 GB l 1.16 GB
> UK Harvest pressing l Kap'n Krunch l 4.0 - 24/96 l Yes l Yes l 2.97 GB
> l 2.08 GB
> Harvest (Q4SHVL814) pressing l zzayyazz l 4.0 - 24/96 (SQ-mix
> restoration)l Yes l Yes l 3.07 GB l 2.08 GB
> U.K. SQ Quadraphonic l Brian Treml l conversion reported in progress -
> we beg a lossless transfer, too
>
> Q8 discrete:
> US Columbia l QuadG/QpS l 4.0 - 24/48 l Unknown l Yes l 2.46 GB l
> encoding in progress
> US Columbia (Foxcub1950 copy) l ArmyOfQuad l conversion reported in
> progress
>
> Upmix
> Unknown l Area51 l not net checked l not net checked l not net checked
> l 1.80 GB l encoding in progress
> TOCP-65549 Toshiba-EMI 2000 Japan 7 mini-LP l SBU_001 l 5.0 - 24/44.1
> (48) l Yes l No l 1.18 GB l encoding in progress
> CBS Mastersound HC 33453 24/96 vinyl rip by Dr. Robert l insania2040 l
> 5.0 - 24/96 l No l No l 2.08 GB l encoding in progress
>
> On márc. 18, 23:52, Lokkerman <phil.steep...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Well guys thank you.
> > It's something special when a thread gets to 100.
> > All we need now is confirmation that AoQ will be doing the new definitive
> > version of WYWH to add to all the others.
> > What a result,,,,
> > thanks to all
> > @Lokks
>
> > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:40 PM, River161 <river161...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Well......if the result of this long thread was that the quadheads got
> > > a Q8--->4.0 mix and those who like stereo-to-surround conversions got
> > > their best version yet, I'd say everyone's a winner.
>
> > > I've got both AoQ and Fan51's versions. Both represent the past and
> > > present of surround technology, bring their own unique spin to the
> > > album (listen to "Welcome to the Machine" on both.....the differences
> > > in placement in both are interesting, to say the least) and both
> > > individuals should take a victory lap for their efforts. I hope Grill
> > > does them both proud with his project.
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ArmyOfQuad
forward to tackling this one.
Brian Treml
My ISO file will be both vinyl copies of all four channels decoded
through the Sony SQD-2070 in four individual wave files (LF, RF, LR,
RR), a cue file, and single DTS wave file for both the USA and UK SQ
encoded LP's of Wish You Were Here, and photos of the front covers.
There was no processing done except click removal and volume
correction using Cool Edit. Feel free to improve on it if nessesary. I
should have this up by Saturday.
Some differences,
The USA copy has a reduced top end at about 16Khz and it is almost as
if they used one master for both the Q4 and LP version and did not
bother to EQ for each format. The USA version also has the channels
reversed and has the Shine on reprise ending Side One after Welcome To
The Machine. The album also seems to clock in a hair longer than it's
UK counterpart and the Q4. The mix is also considerably different in
that it is very loose especially on WYWH and Have A Cigar.
The UK version and the Australia version does not include the Shine On
reprise, it also has a brighter mix more like the stereo version. The
channels match the stereo version but the separation is not as good as
in the USA version. The trade off is better sound for less separation.
I am of the opinion the reason this has not come out as a surround mix
is that the original quad tape is too revealing for the CD format or
was destroyed, To remix this for surround and do it correctly would
take years and the right engineer. Do we rely on Brian Humphries to
remember what he intended or trust James Guthrie to toss center
channel info and LFE where they were never intended to be? If one
listens to the ultimate Dark Side Alan Parsons mix DVD you can see it
is so far from what the SACD mix reveals it just plain sucks. Guthrie
did a great job transparency wise but got the mix totally botched. Why
is the first money drop coming from my center channel when it has for
years come from the left???? He should have listened to the original
first. I am afraid that he will do the same to WYWH. Will I buy it IF
it ever is released? You BET!! My favorite album, how do I resist. But
scary is the thought of a poor mix ruining the sonic candy.
> > Well guys thank you.
> > It's something special when a thread gets to 100.
> > All we need now is confirmation that AoQ will be doing the new definitive
> > version of WYWH to add to all the others.
> > What a result,,,,
> > thanks to all
> > @Lokks
>
> > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:40 PM, River161 <river161...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Well......if the result of this long thread was that the quadheads got
> > > a Q8--->4.0 mix and those who like stereo-to-surround conversions got
> > > their best version yet, I'd say everyone's a winner.
>
> > > I've got both AoQ and Fan51's versions. Both represent the past and
> > > present of surround technology, bring their own unique spin to the
> > > album (listen to "Welcome to the Machine" on both.....the differences
> > > in placement in both are interesting, to say the least) and both
> > > individuals should take a victory lap for their efforts. I hope Grill
> > > does them both proud with his project.
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Really nice work.
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*sharing* music with others, it's a good feeling, idn't :P. It has been hard
to piece together the info :) but we now know that what you uploaded IS the
QpS Q8->DVD-A release done by quadg.
I'd like to know more about the release though....what gear was used, *who*
did it, etc...
AOQ: I love you!!!!!! Of course, there's many variables in the equation with
analog formats (source, ripping gear) but I'm excited to see what the
outcome of this will be :D. The main thing is whether Alan's Q8 is
(hopefully) as good as the Q8 that quadg used...Though, I'm such a noob with
those formats I wouldn't know whether Q8 source quality varies like vinyl
does and how much Q8 can be "damaged" from wear and tear and playback etc...
BTW, I am also all for leaving hiss IN as it's what was there in the first
place. Let hiss haters (:P) do their own noise reduction after they download
it if they want ;).
jolson
demagnetize the head(s) all the time...
Lokkerman
All I can say is good luck AoQ :)
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From: surrou...@googlegroups.com [mailto:surrou...@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of grill
Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2010 4:08 PM
To: SurroundSound
Subject: [SurroundSound] Re: WYWH - Pink Floyd
Status report:
The compilation:
U.K. SQ Quadraphonic (Q4SHVL814) l Brian Treml l 4.0 - 16/44.1 (48) l
Yes l No l 3.60 GB
l 0.68 GB
USA SQ Quadraphonic l Brian Treml l needs to be re-shared
Q8 discrete:
US Columbia l QuadG/QpS l 4.0 - 24/48 l Unknown l Yes l 2.46 GB l
1.05 GB
US Columbia (Foxcub1950 copy) l ArmyOfQuad l conversion reported in
progress
Upmix
Unknown l Area51 l 5.0 - 24/96 l Yes l No l 1.80 GB l 1.80 GB
TOCP-65549 Toshiba-EMI 2000 Japan 7 mini-LP l SBU_001 l 5.0 - 24/44.1
(48) l Yes l No l 1.18 GB l 1.36 GB
CBS Mastersound HC 33453 24/96 vinyl rip by Dr. Robert l insania2040
l
5.0 - 24/96 l No l No l 2.08 GB l 2.15 GB
> > Well guys thank you.
> > It's something special when a thread gets to 100.
> > All we need now is confirmation that AoQ will be doing the new
definitive
> > version of WYWH to add to all the others.
> > What a result,,,,
> > thanks to all
> > @Lokks
>
> > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:40 PM, River161 <river161...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > > Well......if the result of this long thread was that the quadheads got
> > > a Q8--->4.0 mix and those who like stereo-to-surround conversions got
> > > their best version yet, I'd say everyone's a winner.
>
> > > I've got both AoQ and Fan51's versions. Both represent the past and
> > > present of surround technology, bring their own unique spin to the
> > > album (listen to "Welcome to the Machine" on both.....the differences
> > > in placement in both are interesting, to say the least) and both
> > > individuals should take a victory lap for their efforts. I hope Grill
> > > does them both proud with his project.
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