Ooh look what we have here...
VF
Ok, a couple of Christmas presents to start off with :).
1. Philips ProTECH Audio Format Converter 2.2.0. (http://avaxhome.ws/software/platform/microsoft_windows/Philips_ProTECH_Audio_Format_Converter_2.2.0.html)
This program can convert PCM (WAV, AIFF) files to DSD (DSDIFF, aka *.DFF) and DSD to PCM. It is a top of the line pro application with all the bells and whistles and is what they use to create DSD masters (from PCM sources) for retail SACD discs.
2. Philips ProTECH DST Encoder 4.0.3 (http://avaxhome.ws/software/software_type/multimedia/Converters/Philips_ProTECH_DST_Encoder_4.0.3.html)
This encodes an uncompressed DSD file into a DST-encoded one. It's the equivalent of Surcode MLP with the DVD-Audio format - it's used to encode DSD to DST, ready for authoring on the SACD format. Also useful for compressing DSD files for lossless compressed storage. Who would want to store their (PCM) music collection in WAV? Compress it to FLAC or something. This is the same idea in the DSD realm.
These first two 'presents' are not what I was hinting at before, which I said many of you will find useful and use yourself, but THESE two apps, are an early part of what we will witness as the FINAL opening up of DSD and SACD formats on the computer, which, I promise you, is GOING to happen (and I am trying to make it happen as fast as I can). It may not apply to your every day experience yet, but it will to many of us in time!!
I have not even played around with these programs yet. I just received them from a source (which I will obviously not name) and can't wait to share it with you! DSD samples to play around with can be found here: http://www.2l.no/hires/index.html.
Future DSD samples will be from SACD discs themselves (:D :D), that's something I'm working on - as I've indicated in past months...I'm trying, people, I'm trying...(RLW!!! :P hehe)
Also, there is a DSD plugin for foobar which outputs the signal in 24-bit PCM (32-bit float) on the fly and you can set up to 192kHz resolution output: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=76080
AND there's even a DSD to PCM plugin for dbPoweramp now (http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?p=94899), though I suggest the ProTECH Audio Format Converter for the best quality conversion between the formats...
AH, SO MUCH DSD!!!!!!!
For now, pure (unchanged) DSD playback on the PC is still not a reality – but only high quality DSD->PCM playback (e.g. in foobar). But do not fear, folks, it's gradually going to happen. Also, there are some more programs I am going to share with you, coming soon!
- - -
Now a serious note: I would like to publically state right now, that it is not my intention to deliberately pirate these audio apps. I only do it because they are the only apps which can do what I want to do. If a free and legal equivalent existed, I would use it and encourage others to use it, instead of pirating a commercial app. Excellent examples of this are foobar (best general audio and dvd-a software player), imgburn (best kickass disc image burner and creator on the planet) and MPC-HC/VLC (top quality dvd and general media players).
I hope eventually that free and legal equivalents can exist for SACD and DVD-A, but for now this is all we've got. For DVD-A authoring, DVD audio Tools is the shining open-source beacon, and I hope eventually it can surpass Discwelder in all features - it's been making some great progress and once ready to surpass DW in ALL aspects (perhaps in a year's time), it will be the leading app after sonic, and one that we should all use for *another* reason, too: it will come in Mac, Windows AND linux versions!
I have faith in DVD audio Tools (dvda-author) and since I appear to know things which happen in the future (ooh :P - no I'm not psychic :rolleyes: - it's just because I'm often involved in 'what comes up'), you might want to believe it WILL happen ;).
Basically, I believe that it is not fair that the SACD and DVD-A formats are limited and kept from consumers' and enthusiasts' hands; that statement may be controversial but I don't care, I love these two formats and I also believe that with more power for us to play around with them in consumers' hands, the more interest they will actually get (and maybe SALES, you know!). That's my 2c. Why make us have to crack and hack the formats, as well as the insanely expensive programs needed to author them, in order to just have the freedom which we ought to have (like we do with the CD format)? That's my point of view and that's that. Screw DRM, long live music.
Merry Christmas :).
VF
VF
site (probably ok if you're reading it in your email client):
VF
On Dec 26, 12:26 am, "VF" <vf.surro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, a couple of Christmas presents to start off with :).
>
> 1. Philips ProTECH Audio Format Converter 2.2.0.
> (http://avaxhome.ws/software/platform/microsoft_windows/Philips_ProTEC...
> o_Format_Converter_2.2.0.html)
>
> This program can convert PCM (WAV, AIFF) files to DSD (DSDIFF, aka *.DFF)
> and DSD to PCM. It is a top of the line pro application with all the bells
> and whistles and is what they use to create DSD masters (from PCM sources)
> for retail SACD discs.
>
> 2. Philips ProTECH DST Encoder 4.0.3
> (http://avaxhome.ws/software/software_type/multimedia/Converters/Phili...
> For now, pure (unchanged) DSD playback on the PC is still not a reality -
Aníbal Rivero
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On 25 Dec, 14:31, VF <vf.surro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Those links didn't seem to come out very well on the google group home
> site (probably ok if you're reading it in your email client):
>
> 1.http://avaxhome.ws/software/platform/microsoft_windows/Philips_ProTEC...
>
> 2.http://avaxhome.ws/software/software_type/multimedia/Converters/Phili...
mircea raibulet
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VF
Ah how’d you guess? Santa is indeed the supplier of these Christmas goodies :P. Why else would it come at this time of year? ;)
Some waiting still must be done for the picture to be complete with SACD, but I can promise some more niiice presents to come for now, at least :P
mircea raibulet
VF
Ok, here comes the Christmas present I REALLY meant!
Discwelder 2.0.25! (http://avaxhome.ws/software/Minnetonka_discWelder_Chrome_II_2.0.25.html)
We have only had version 2.0.6 since it was released by the venerable Warez Scene in 2004 (release group PARADOX). They cracked it, it was then leaked into the public and we have been lucky to have access to it for five years.
But if you are a regular user of the program and like to do slightly more advanced DVD-A authoring, you will find that there are some pretty major bugs, limitations and frustrations:
1. You cannot create dual layer images, so if you want to make dual layer creations you have to do a tricky workaround (which not many people know of, me included, until someone like jolson pointed it out) involving taking the temporary files in the initial stages of burning the project to physical dual layer disc, and then having to create an image from the AUDIO_TS folder in something like Gear Pro Mastering. Now, with 2.0.25, it simply works, you can specify where to put the layer break in the DIM image file (which you can then simply rename to *.ISO), and do it right.
2. Custom menus....this is the big one. If you want to actually make NICE menus with your DVD-A (as opposed to the basic menu option in Discwelder), you want to use the custom menu option. It's a bit of a learning curve with how to do it in the first place, but once you work it out, in v2.0.6 the custom menu part of the program is a NIGHTMARE. There are countless bugs and things you simply cannot do (which it appears that you can), and all these headaches are gone in 2.0.25. I will explain all about the custom menus in another thread no the group after I make this post.
3. Other minor GUI bugs which you might notice. And really, there might be other fixes I don't know of either. I don't have version release notes for this so I only know this from experience and what I've been told by my supplier.
I take no credit for this, apart from the mere sharing of it. All credit goes to the supplier (who will remain unknown), and to the makers of the crack, PARADOX.
ENJOY :)
VF
bob maddock
thank you.
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grill
ArnoldLayne
Thx a lot!
> > VF- Ocultar texto de la cita -
>
> - Mostrar texto de la cita -
razi
These are good news at the end of the year!
Did anybody checked it out, whether it runs under Win7?
It doesn`t matter, if you want or not, you have to upgrade in future,
I think.
I hope, this progress will go on next year.
Greetings to all Surrounders!
VF
on:). I think Windows 7 is actually a little _better_ with compatibility.
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Greetings to all Surrounders!
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Looking forward for the guide on custom menu creation.
jolson
VF
And now, for my next trick :P
KORG AudioGate 2.0.2.0 (http://avaxhome.ws/software/platform/microsoft_windows/KORG_AudioGate_2.0.2.0.html)
This program is a "wonder" program for anything to do with the DSD format. It can:
- Play back DSD files (it converts it to PCM upon playback and you have lots of options to tweak the audio settings)
- Convert any DSD file format to another (DFF/DSF/WSD), PCM to DSD/DSD to PCM in high quality, though for best results I would suggest ProTECH AFC which I released yesterday.
- Create DSD discs from DSD files. DSD Discs can be played on the PS3 or the Sony SCD-XA5400ES SACD player. See this fantastic guide for creating DSD Discs: http://www.ps3sacd.com/dsddiscguide.html
- Gee, what else can it do....Many MANY other features within the DSD realm. Such as DSD128 and 5.6MHz file playback/conversion capability too...
Mac version is coming up...I hope :S. It’s what I’m trying to get people to test out, before I release it. There seems to be a weird problem with the crack file not being able to overwrite the original file in the installation folder..I really hope we can get it working because once it is, that means that we now have a Mac software player for DSD files (as foobar is windows only)!
As for windows users, AudioGate may be the superior option to foobar (for the time being), but I have not compared them subjectively or objectively.
Enjoy :)
Now...I know these super cool DSD applications don’t mean much until you actually *have* DSD files to even play with (and if you want to get some right now, try http://www.2l.no/hires/index.html, or just convert PCM files to DSD in AudioGate just for the heck of it). And I know, that the most noble gift one can give to another on this google group is music, not software tools. lol. But anyone seeing the big picture can see how this is a vital step in what we will know as the complete cracking of the SACD format. And it may happen very soon. Things are bubbling up here in the SACD ripping department :).
So: my greatest love in this entire hobby (audiophilia) is ripping the music and sharing it with others (especially when it's hard to get in original form), but unless anyone else bothers to lobby and get crackers to crack and hack the formats for us to properly rip them (in full fidelity), it will be quite a pain for us to do so (in SACD's case). All this marginal stuff I’m doing right now (aside from my actual SACD ripping) can be explained by the simple phrase, 'teach a man to fish'.
VF
Stephen Disney
S
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25
Nah just checked. 25 comes after 6.
(serious answer: software release build numbers are not decimal-based (meaning 2.0.6 would = 2.0.60), but just numbers after dots to indicate a progression in build number....(meaning 2.0.6 = two point O point six)....so DW could go up to 2.0.999 if they wanted, or continue on to 2.0.1000 technically.)
From: surrou...@googlegroups.com [mailto:surrou...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Disney
Sent: Monday, 28 December 2009 12:40 AM
To: surrou...@googlegroups.com
Aníbal Rivero
Secretagentman
installing 2.0.25?
On Dec 27, 9:03 am, Aníbal Rivero <anibalriv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Stephen, version numbers are not decimals, so in this case .25 > .6. You
> may get confused with 2.0.2.5
> I know version numbers could be confusing, I'm a software developer :p
>
> 1a < 1b < 1rc < 1rc2 < 1 < 1r1
> (alpha < beta < release candidate < release candidate 2 < final version <
> revision 1)
>
> 2009/12/27 Stephen Disney <sthunderroc...@gmail.com>
>
> > Just curious... in regards to the discwelder. Wouldn't logic suggest that
> > 2.0.25 is an EARLIER version than 2.0.6? Thanks for the great posts!
> > S
>
> > On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 9:47 AM, VF <vf.surro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Ok, here comes the Christmas present I REALLY meant!
>
> >> *Discwelder 2.0.25!* (
> >>http://avaxhome.ws/software/Minnetonka_discWelder_Chrome_II_2.0.25.html)
>
> >> We have only had version 2.0.6 since it was released by the venerable
> >> Warez Scene in 2004 (release group PARADOX). They cracked it, it was then
> >> leaked into the public and we have been lucky to have access to it for five
> >> years.
>
> >> But if you are a regular user of the program and like to do slightly more
> >> advanced DVD-A authoring, you will find that there are some pretty major
> >> bugs, limitations and frustrations:
>
> >> 1. You cannot create dual layer images, so if you want to make dual layer
> >> creations you have to do a tricky workaround (which not many people know of,
> >> me included, until someone like jolson pointed it out) involving taking the
> >> temporary files in the initial stages of burning the project to physical
> >> dual layer disc, and then having to create an image from the AUDIO_TS folder
> >> in something like Gear Pro Mastering. Now, with 2.0.25, it simply works, you
> >> can specify where to put the layer break in the DIM image file (which you
> >> can then simply rename to *.ISO), *and do it right*.
Richard
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VF
Works here. Have used it several times. Followed the instructions of the crack? Simple file replace in installation folder...
When does that error happen? When you do what?
From: surrou...@googlegroups.com [mailto:surrou...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Monday, 28 December 2009 3:17 AM
To: surrou...@googlegroups.com
VF
mircea raibulet
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Goran Janicijevic
> As for windows users, AudioGate may be the superior option to foobar
> (for the time being), but I have not compared them subjectively or
> objectively.
How comes?
Is AudioGate an audio media player?
Or, conversion wise.... is the Korg flac encoder somehow magically better
than Foobar's?
Anyway, what is the use of these SACD/DSD tools, if we can't find a way of
burning SACDs?
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Simplius
VF
I mean the quality difference in their respective DSD to PCM conversion
algorithms (when you play it back or convert file formats - same conversion
process happens during both events). DSD to PCM conversion is not JUST
simple math like some put it..it is complex, you sometimes need to apply
different settings according to the DSD file, there are many options you can
do and choices you can make.
IMO, it's kinda like dithering (lots of ways you can do it, some better than
others) - and it is known that some converters are bad and others much
better - like the Oppo 980H converter (its mediate chip? It clips the PCM
output by 3dB - yep, my DSotM is clipped by 3dB and the loudest bit,
"money", is pretty dang clipped!). AudioGate has an option to lower the gain
and mention in its user manual that 3dB too loud problem.
I am certainly no expert in the whole thing though...but we will all learn
quite a bit about it in the end I imagine.
But even audiogate is not the best - apparently, anyway. Here's a quote from
the gearslutz website (a forum full of DSD mastering engineers): "The Korg
Audiogate software isn't the best for DSD to PCM conversion but it is
decent."
(http://www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end/400961-dsd-pcm-dither-now-later.htm
l)
DSD2PCM (what foobar plugin's based on) is much simpler code, though they
are gradually complexifying the options and updating the conversion code
etc.
ProTECH AFC is an example of a better one than AudioGate - it may be the
best out there, although there is also another pro converter program I know,
that some in that Gearslutz thread think is even better (who knows) - it's
called "Saracon Weiss DSD". I haven't been supplied with it though :).
So the significance or usefulness of all these DSD programs?
1. I'm working on a way to rip SACD in the pure DSD realm. Hope to have it
ready very soon, and it's looking positive, we're very hot. Once this
happens (oh and also, it will be a far easier and quicker method than the
current realtime Oppo method...I will not give details yet though, but main
thing is I WILL have time to provide rips under this method - I am tired out
by real time ripping combined with my perfectionism and my often busy life)
- once this happens, many of us (not just me, I will share the method and it
doesn't require expensive equipment) will be able to provide pure DSD files
from our SACD collections for everyone.
From THERE you can do what you like with it. You have a cleaner source from
SACD than you've ever had before, either convert it to hi-res FLAC with
AudioGate (working out the best settings for your source material), play it
straight in foobar, burn it right to DVD-A with discWelder's DSD import
option, or even higher-res with blu-ray (like 5.1 channel 192kHz 24-bit :P -
or just play this on your HDMI-equipped HTPC). It will bring SACD ripping
and copying to a whole new level.
1.5. I'm going to release an SACD authoring suite very soon, which will
allow us to create SACD images and even discs, from DSD files. This will be
crucial to all this.
2. The final step is SACD-R. A way of having burnt SACD images play in your
SACD player. I will NOT go into the details but it's not "impossible" like
everyone has thought for 10 years - SACD is merely a DVD disc with UDF 2.0
file system, the SACD file structure and a funny block size, and then the
protection system (encryption) layered on top. Eventually we will be able to
play SACD-Rs on our SACD players and it will be finally brought up to speed
with DVD-A.
I wasn't going to say it, but I am now. We're cracking SACD, that's what is
happening here. News might make engadget, who knows...and a for Sony?
Format's hardly making them any money now. I doubt they would be fussed.
To say this is exciting is an understatement.
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From: surrou...@googlegroups.com [mailto:surrou...@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Goran Janicijevic
Sent: Monday, 28 December 2009 11:11 AM
To: surrou...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [SurroundSound] Ooh look what we have here...
How comes?
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david n sanchez
Thanks a lot for your efforts and for sharing the results with us all, VF! Christmas is being great this year! :-)
Ok, a couple of Christmas presents to start off with :).
1. Philips ProTECH Audio Format Converter 2.2.0. (http://avaxhome.ws/software/platform/microsoft_windows/Philips_ProTECH_Audio_Format_Converter_2.2.0.html)
This program can convert PCM (WAV, AIFF) files to DSD (DSDIFF, aka *.DFF) and DSD to PCM. It is a top of the line pro application with all the bells and whistles and is what they use to create DSD masters (from PCM sources) for retail SACD discs.
2. Philips ProTECH DST Encoder 4.0.3 (http://avaxhome.ws/software/software_type/multimedia/Converters/Philips_ProTECH_DST_Encoder_4.0.3.html)
This encodes an uncompressed DSD file into a DST-encoded one. It's the equivalent of Surcode MLP with the DVD-Audio format - it's used to encode DSD to DST, ready for authoring on the SACD format. Also useful for compressing DSD files for lossless compressed storage. Who would want to store their (PCM) music collection in WAV? Compress it to FLAC or something. This is the same idea in the DSD realm.
These first two 'presents' are not what I was hinting at before, which I said many of you will find useful and use yourself, but THESE two apps, are an early part of what we will witness as the FINAL opening up of DSD and SACD formats on the computer, which, I promise you, is GOING to happen (and I am trying to make it happen as fast as I can). It may not apply to your every day experience yet, but it will to many of us in time!!
I have not even played around with these programs yet. I just received them from a source (which I will obviously not name) and can't wait to share it with you! DSD samples to play around with can be found here: http://www.2l.no/hires/index.html.
Future DSD samples will be from SACD discs themselves (:D :D), that's something I'm working on - as I've indicated in past months...I'm trying, people, I'm trying...(RLW!!! :P hehe)
Also, there is a DSD plugin for foobar which outputs the signal in 24-bit PCM (32-bit float) on the fly and you can set up to 192kHz resolution output: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=76080
AND there's even a DSD to PCM plugin for dbPoweramp now (http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?p=94899), though I suggest the ProTECH Audio Format Converter for the best quality conversion between the formats...
AH, SO MUCH DSD!!!!!!!
For now, pure (unchanged) DSD playback on the PC is still not a reality – but only high quality DSD->PCM playback (e.g. in foobar). But do not fear, folks, it's gradually going to happen. Also, there are some more programs I am going to share with you, coming soon!
- - -
Now a serious note: I would like to publically state right now, that it is not my intention to deliberately pirate these audio apps. I only do it because they are the only apps which can do what I want to do. If a free and legal equivalent existed, I would use it and encourage others to use it, instead of pirating a commercial app. Excellent examples of this are foobar (best general audio and dvd-a software player), imgburn (best kickass disc image burner and creator on the planet) and MPC-HC/VLC (top quality dvd and general media players).
I hope eventually that free and legal equivalents can exist for SACD and DVD-A, but for now this is all we've got. For DVD-A authoring, DVD audio Tools is the shining open-source beacon, and I hope eventually it can surpass Discwelder in all features - it's been making some great progress and once ready to surpass DW in ALL aspects (perhaps in a year's time), it will be the leading app after sonic, and one that we should all use for *another* reason, too: it will come in Mac, Windows AND linux versions!
I have faith in DVD audio Tools (dvda-author) and since I appear to know things which happen in the future (ooh :P - no I'm not psychic :rolleyes: - it's just because I'm often involved in 'what comes up'), you might want to believe it WILL happen ;).
Basically, I believe that it is not fair that the SACD and DVD-A formats are limited and kept from consumers' and enthusiasts' hands; that statement may be controversial but I don't care, I love these two formats and I also believe that with more power for us to play around with them in consumers' hands, the more interest they will actually get (and maybe SALES, you know!). That's my 2c. Why make us have to crack and hack the formats, as well as the insanely expensive programs needed to author them, in order to just have the freedom which we ought to have (like we do with the CD format)? That's my point of view and that's that. Screw DRM, long live music.
Merry Christmas :).
VF
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They were a success J - they play unencrypted SACD discs burnt on a DVD-R/RW, which is pretty rare.
However that’s only two players (yeah there’s possibly a few others that behave exactly like those Denons, but they haven’t been tested).
Something we’re going to try will hopefully open up most or all players to be able to playback SACD-R authored/burnt in a certain way.
This will be the last step. The first main step will still be really great because DSD is nowhere near as accessible as PCM, and a perfect DSD source from which to optimally convert to PCM will be an equal priority to many, given that PCM will remain as the main way of experiencing high quality music playback.
For the most anal of us though, we will want pure DSD (with no changes into another format) all the way from ripping to playback of that rip ;). Even if you prefer PCM to DSD, it makes sense to not want any changes to the signal (right up until analog conversion), because degradation and loss/distortion of information occurs at every conversion or signal processing step.
Goran Janicijevic
> To say this is exciting is an understatement.
Thanks for your info. Now it makes sense.
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jolson
Weiss SARACON-DSD: http://www.weiss.ch/p2d/p2d.html
Sonic nexStage (Mac only): http://sonicstudio.net/products/dsd/dsdformac.html
On 27 Dec, 17:21, "VF" <vf.surro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Works here. Have used it several times. Followed the instructions of the
> crack? Simple file replace in installation folder...
>
> When does that error happen? When you do what?
>
> From: surrou...@googlegroups.com [mailto:surrou...@googlegroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Richard
> Sent: Monday, 28 December 2009 3:17 AM
> To: surrou...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [SurroundSound] Ooh look what we have here...
>
> Hi
>
> Have tried quite a few times, but all i get is "file not found"
>
> OD
>
> And now, for my next trick :P
>
> KORG AudioGate 2.0.2.0
> (http://avaxhome.ws/software/platform/microsoft_windows/KORG_AudioGate...
> .0.html)
>
> This program is a "wonder" program for anything to do with the DSD format.
> It can:
>
> - Play back DSD files (it converts it to PCM upon playback and you have lots
> of options to tweak the audio settings)
>
> - Convert any DSD file format to another (DFF/DSF/WSD), PCM to DSD/DSD to
> PCM in high quality, though for best results I would suggest ProTECH AFC
> which I released yesterday.
>
> - Create DSD discs from DSD files. DSD Discs can be played on the PS3 or the
> Sony SCD-XA5400ES SACD player. See this fantastic guide for creating DSD
> Discs:http://www.ps3sacd.com/dsddiscguide.html
>
> - Gee, what else can it do....Many MANY other features within the DSD realm.
> Such as DSD128 and 5.6MHz file playback/conversion capability too...
>
> Mac version is coming up...I hope :S. It's what I'm trying to get people to
> test out, before I release it. There seems to be a weird problem with the
> crack file not being able to overwrite the original file in the installation
> folder..I really hope we can get it working because once it is, that means
> that we now have a Mac software player for DSD files (as foobar is windows
> only)!
>
> As for windows users, AudioGate may be the superior option to foobar (for
> the time being), but I have not compared them subjectively or objectively.
>
> Enjoy :)
>
> Now...I know these super cool DSD applications don't mean much until you
> actually *have* DSD files to even play with (and if you want to get some
> right now, tryhttp://www.2l.no/hires/index.html, or just convert PCM files
> to DSD in AudioGate just for the heck of it). And I know, that the most
> noble gift one can give to another on this google group is music, not
> software tools. lol. But anyone seeing the big picture can see how this is a
> vital step in what we will know as the complete cracking of the SACD format.
> And it may happen very soon. Things are bubbling up here in the SACD ripping
> department :).
>
> So: my greatest love in this entire hobby (audiophilia) is ripping the music
> and sharing it with others (especially when it's hard to get in original
> form), but unless anyone else bothers to lobby and get crackers to crack and
> hack the formats for us to properly rip them (in full fidelity), it will be
> quite a pain for us to do so (in SACD's case). All this marginal stuff I'm
> doing right now (aside from my actual SACD ripping) can be explained by the
> simple phrase, 'teach a man to fish'.
>
> VF
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not found...can you send me the app please email RS it whatever
not havinbg any luck with dsd link soo sacd alive and well on pc...amd
it will go up against dts master audio..
On 27 Dec, 21:10, mircea raibulet <mraibu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> :))))))))))))))
> M
> P.S-I'm speachless.....
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 3:05 PM, VF <vf.surro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > And now, for my next trick :P
>
> > *KORG AudioGate 2.0.2.0 (
> >http://avaxhome.ws/software/platform/microsoft_windows/KORG_AudioGate...
> > )*
>
> > This program is a "wonder" program for anything to do with the DSD format.
> > It can:
>
> > - Play back DSD files (it converts it to PCM upon playback and you have
> > lots of options to tweak the audio settings)
>
> > - Convert any DSD file format to another (DFF/DSF/WSD), PCM to DSD/DSD to
> > PCM in high quality, though for best results I would suggest ProTECH AFC
> > which I released yesterday.
>
> > - Create DSD discs from DSD files. DSD Discs can be played on the PS3 or
> > the Sony SCD-XA5400ES SACD player. See this fantastic guide for creating DSD
> > Discs:http://www.ps3sacd.com/dsddiscguide.html
>
> > - Gee, what else can it do....Many MANY other features within the DSD
> > realm. Such as DSD128 and 5.6MHz file playback/conversion capability too...
>
> > Mac version is coming up...I hope :S. It’s what I’m trying to get people to
> > test out, before I release it. There seems to be a weird problem with the
> > crack file not being able to overwrite the original file in the installation
> > folder..I really hope we can get it working because once it is, that means
> > that we now have a Mac software player for DSD files (as foobar is windows
> > only)!
>
> > As for windows users, AudioGate may be the superior option to foobar (for
> > the time being), but I have not compared them subjectively or objectively.
>
> > Enjoy :)
>
> > Now...I know these super cool DSD applications don’t mean much until you
> > actually *have* DSD files to even play with (and if you want to get some
> > right now, tryhttp://www.2l.no/hires/index.html, or just convert PCM
bobchewie
On 25 Dec, 13:31, VF <vf.surro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Those links didn't seem to come out very well on the google group home
> site (probably ok if you're reading it in your email client):
>
> 1.http://avaxhome.ws/software/platform/microsoft_windows/Philips_ProTEC...
>
> 2.http://avaxhome.ws/software/software_type/multimedia/Converters/Phili...
>
> VF
>
> On Dec 26, 12:26 am, "VF" <vf.surro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ok, a couple of Christmas presents to start off with :).
>
> > 1. Philips ProTECH Audio Format Converter 2.2.0.
> > (http://avaxhome.ws/software/platform/microsoft_windows/Philips_ProTEC...
> > o_Format_Converter_2.2.0.html)
>
> > This program can convert PCM (WAV, AIFF) files to DSD (DSDIFF, aka *.DFF)
> > and DSD to PCM. It is a top of the line pro application with all the bells
> > and whistles and is what they use to create DSD masters (from PCM sources)
> > for retail SACD discs.
>
> > 2. Philips ProTECH DST Encoder 4.0.3
> > (http://avaxhome.ws/software/software_type/multimedia/Converters/Phili...
> > For now, pure (unchanged) DSD playback on the PC is still not a reality -
Marktherob2005
rainbow drivers. Any ideas?
Mark
On Dec 27 2009, 12:33 am, panto <prano...@gmail.com> wrote:
> the newdiscWelderrelease is awesome. VF: thanks for sharing!
Paul Garfunkel
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author says that this plugin is configurable
it plays at 88.2khz atm its meant to have a 96khz preset...and you
can add 192khz..havent found out how yet.
On 27 Dec 2009, 21:10, mircea raibulet <mraibu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> :))))))))))))))
> M
> P.S-I'm speachless.....
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 3:05 PM, VF <vf.surro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > And now, for my next trick :P
>
> > *KORG AudioGate 2.0.2.0 (
> >http://avaxhome.ws/software/platform/microsoft_windows/KORG_AudioGate...
> > )*
>
> > This program is a "wonder" program for anything to do with the DSD format.
> > It can:
>
> > - Play back DSD files (it converts it to PCM upon playback and you have
> > lots of options to tweak the audio settings)
>
> > - Convert any DSD file format to another (DFF/DSF/WSD), PCM to DSD/DSD to
> > PCM in high quality, though for best results I would suggest ProTECH AFC
> > which I released yesterday.
>
> > - Create DSD discs from DSD files. DSD Discs can be played on the PS3 or
> > the Sony SCD-XA5400ES SACD player. See this fantastic guide for creating DSD
> > Discs:http://www.ps3sacd.com/dsddiscguide.html
>
> > - Gee, what else can it do....Many MANY other features within the DSD
> > realm. Such as DSD128 and 5.6MHz file playback/conversion capability too...
>
> > Mac version is coming up...I hope :S. It’s what I’m trying to get people to
> > test out, before I release it. There seems to be a weird problem with the
> > crack file not being able to overwrite the original file in the installation
> > folder..I really hope we can get it working because once it is, that means
> > that we now have a Mac software player for DSD files (as foobar is windows
> > only)!
>
> > As for windows users, AudioGate may be the superior option to foobar (for
> > the time being), but I have not compared them subjectively or objectively.
>
> > Enjoy :)
>
> > Now...I know these super cool DSD applications don’t mean much until you
> > actually *have* DSD files to even play with (and if you want to get some
> > right now, tryhttp://www.2l.no/hires/index.html, or just convert PCM
bobchewie
dsd talk on there about this...
i saw this:
LukeS
I am bringing this back form years of being dead. I am working on
hardware now to rip a SACD,
I am capturing the raw unencrypted 6 mono DSD data streams that is
sent to the DACs in my
denon SACD player. I have some test data captured that I want to run
through the DSD to PCM
software but I am unable to read the sample DSD file provide with the
program after it is
converted to PCM. Once I get the test file confirmed I can move on to
testing my captured data.
I really hope SebastianG is still around. Does anyone know what format
the outputted PCM file
from the program is in 16-bit, or 32-bit? If 32 bit what IEEE float
(0.24, 16.8, 24.0). Is there an
offset? Is the byte order little-endian or big endian? I used your
program to convert the sample
test2822k.dsd to a pcm and am trying to open it an Audacity and
cooledit pro with no luck. I will
keep messing with the options and hopefully stumble upon the right
setting.
Thanks!
.
er any of this sound familiar??
bobchewie
sacd getsconverted to dvd audio..
and analogue transfers take time and the hassle of getting all the
channels in synch...
if you need testing let me know..are you sure a samsung hd950 will
play dsd discs? ive loked to se if it has formware upgrades? is
there a way of finding out? only other way is dsd to mlp and dff
import in discwelder seems to just stereo...
VF wrote:
> Those links didn't seem to come out very well on the google group home
> site (probably ok if you're reading it in your email client):
>
> 1. http://avaxhome.ws/software/platform/microsoft_windows/Philips_ProTECH_Audio_Format_Converter_2.2.0.html
>
> 2. http://avaxhome.ws/software/software_type/multimedia/Converters/Philips_ProTECH_DST_Encoder_4.0.3.html
Анатолий
I'd like to thank you one more time for the Chrismas presents. Using the tools below (plus Korg) I managed to burn a number of DSD discs for my PS3.
I think you are the man who can give a hint where to find one more piece to the puzzle called "home made SACD" (namely SA-CD Creator). I'm eager to test this on my Sony MEX DV2100. Currently its the highest capability is DTS (using dts 96/24). I expect it to sound fantastic if the SACD puzzle is solved.
Thanks. And sorry for bothering.
Anatoli
-----Original Message-----
From: "VF" <vf.su...@gmail.com>
To: <surrou...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 00:26:43 +1100
Subject: [SurroundSound] Ooh look what we have here...
> Ok, a couple of Christmas presents to start off with :).
>
>
>
> 1. Philips ProTECH Audio Format Converter 2.2.0.
> (http://avaxhome.ws/software/platform/microsoft_windows/Philips_ProTECH_Audi
> o_Format_Converter_2.2.0.html)
>
>
>
> This program can convert PCM (WAV, AIFF) files to DSD (DSDIFF, aka *.DFF)
> and DSD to PCM. It is a top of the line pro application with all the bells
> and whistles and is what they use to create DSD masters (from PCM sources)
> for retail SACD discs.
>
>
>
>
>
> 2. Philips ProTECH DST Encoder 4.0.3
> (http://avaxhome.ws/software/software_type/multimedia/Converters/Philips_Pro
VF
the list.
Right now I'm doing some research whose result should be a major resource
for SACD/DSD playback in general.
We got a lot of work to do for SACD.
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On Behalf Of ????????
Sent: Friday, 19 February 2010 10:22 AM
To: surrou...@googlegroups.com
Keyser Sose
Keyser
VF
The HF noise is not a “mistake” in the ripping process. It’s an inherent part of the DSD encoding scheme and thus the signal you were ripping.
My approach is not to change anything in the signal, what’s there is there. The only thing to watch is that some equipment might be sensitive to intense UHF material, many SACD players/receivers filter out the noise above a certain frequency – but that requires conversion to PCM in order to do that processing (that’s a complicated and messy topic which I won’t go into ;). But anyway when I’m sharing something with others, I do NOT fool around with the audio, I keep it as close to the source as possible. I say, let the user “clean it up” if they want (just like how they can apply de-clipping to the 3dB clipped signal if they want). And to do that, it’s easy :)...just apply a lowpass filter to get rid of the noise in the PCM realm.
Lokkerman
I think you may have missed some of the previous dialogue on this one. Keyser appears to follow your process to the letter when he does digital rips. Difference being that he uses DTS MA instead of MLP or FLAC.
When Grill compared two identical WAV files, on Abacab, he found that your copy appeared to show a bandpass filter @22k1 Hz, whereas Keyser's version did not. Hence the difference. Now remembering back to last year, I noted the same effect on some analogue rips and we could not find out why.
To prove this is raised the question whether anyone knew how to create a bandpass in Izotope to prove my point.
One thing I did note that playing back unfiltered files on the HTPC was noticeable, yet on the Denon 2930 it was not, proving that there is a filter resident on the Denon, even when DVD-As are played.
My suggestion is perhaps it's to do with the Oppo firmware and it's application, on setting the DSP, which is used even when doing a digital rip. i.e. DSD to PCM
Back to answering Keyser's question yes - it should solve the problem because the rip will save a DSD file and not a converted DSD to PCM. The final conversion would be either by the electronics of the player or the soundcard. The DACs usually have the DSD decoding/conversion built in, or alternatively by a plug-in that should tell the soundcard to process the DSD file in the DACs. Afterall the DACs are common to both devices.
Note to the developers - This plug-in will require a filter setting, to remove Keyser's hash.
To move this on perhaps it may be a good point to capture firmware settings and releases as there may be a setting that you have set successfully but Keyser has not, I must confess I am, not having an Oppo, working in the dark on this one.
VF
Hmm Ok. Well Keyser and I have been emailing just in past half hour, I’ve advised on how he can apply filters to a signal :).
Unfortunately I can’t have time to look into my rip and see what happened with mine, the noise ought to be there, perhaps keyser’s was not sacd noise but something even more, on top :S. But the firmware possibility I would not rule out :S. By the end I was using the latest firmware, the beta one. And yes, I think genesis abacab was one of my last discs I did in the batch, after I had upgraded to the beta firmware (in order to do the bowie disc, as documented on oppo website)
If there’s other discs which seem to have some bandpass filter at 22khz then ...hmm..........
Anyway I’m onto the DSD stuff now which I’ve been needing to press on with for ages :O.
Lokkerman
The signal did look like from what I've seen before to be unfiltered SACD, whilst yours was obviously filtered.
Perhaps Grill may wish to have a look at some other files?
Good news about the DSD :0 stuff ;)
grill
first post on this page:
http://groups.google.com/group/surroundsound/browse_thread/thread/93282e86bdbea72e/10d229678c401594
On febr. 19, 15:55, Lokkerman <phil.steep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good It looks like we may be able to recover some of his hard work.
>
> The signal did look like from what I've seen before to be unfiltered SACD,
> whilst yours was obviously filtered.
>
> Perhaps Grill may wish to have a look at some other files?
>
> Good news about the DSD :0 stuff ;)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 2:36 PM, VF <vf.surro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hmm Ok. Well Keyser and I have been emailing just in past half hour, I’ve
> > advised on how he can apply filters to a signal :).
>
> > Unfortunately I can’t have time to look into my rip and see what happened
> > with mine, the noise ought to be there, perhaps keyser’s was not sacd noise
> > but something even more, on top :S. But the firmware possibility I would not
> > rule out :S. By the end I was using the latest firmware, the beta one. And
> > yes, I think genesis abacab was one of my last discs I did in the batch,
> > after I had upgraded to the beta firmware (in order to do the bowie disc, as
> > documented on oppo website)
>
> > If there’s other discs which seem to have some bandpass filter at 22khz
> > then ...hmm..........
>
> > Anyway I’m onto the DSD stuff now which I’ve been needing to press on with
> > for ages :O.
>
> > *From:* surrou...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > surrou...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Lokkerman
> > *Sent:* Friday, 19 February 2010 2:12 PM
>
> > *To:* surrou...@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [SurroundSound] Ooh look what we have here...
> > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:33 PM, VF <vf.surro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The HF noise is not a “mistake” in the ripping process. It’s an inherent
> > part of the DSD encoding scheme and thus the signal you were ripping.
>
> > My approach is not to change anything in the signal, what’s there is there.
> > The only thing to watch is that some equipment might be sensitive to intense
> > UHF material, many SACD players/receivers filter out the noise above a
> > certain frequency – but that requires conversion to PCM in order to do that
> > processing (that’s a complicated and messy topic which I won’t go into ;).
> > But anyway when I’m sharing something with others, I do NOT fool around with
> > the audio, I keep it as close to the source as possible. I say, let the user
> > “clean it up” if they want (just like how they can apply de-clipping to the
> > 3dB clipped signal if they want). And to do that, it’s easy :)...just apply
> > a lowpass filter to get rid of the noise in the PCM realm.
>
> > *From:* surrou...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > surrou...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keyser Sose
> > *Sent:* Friday, 19 February 2010 1:22 PM
>
> > *To:* surrou...@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [SurroundSound] Ooh look what we have here...
>
> > very very interesting..
>
> > any thoughts whether the Philips audio converter would rectify the HF noise
> > found in my sacd rips?
>
> > that is I could convert my PCM back to DSD and back to PCM and clean up the
> > signal in the process?
>
> >http://avaxhome.ws/software/platform/microsoft_windows/Philips_ProTEC...
> > > o_Format_Converter_2.2.0.html)
>
> > > This program can convert PCM (WAV, AIFF) files to DSD (DSDIFF, aka *.DFF)
> > > and DSD to PCM. It is a top of the line pro application with all the
> > bells
> > > and whistles and is what they use to create DSD masters (from PCM
> > sources)
> > > for retail SACD discs.
>
> > > 2. Philips ProTECH DST Encoder 4.0.3
>
> > (
> >http://avaxhome.ws/software/software_type/multimedia/Converters/Phili...
> ...
>
> tovább »- Idézett szöveg elrejtése -
>
> - Idézett szöveg megjelenítése -
Keyser Sose
Robert Coogan
You aren’t seriously asking people via googlegroups to name illegal download sites?
From: surrou...@googlegroups.com [mailto:surrou...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of shemes...@gmail.com
Sent: 21 February 2013 12:44 PM
To: surrou...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [SurroundSound] Re: Ooh look what we have here...
hi all.
can you please upload these programs again? i need the very much and I can't find them anywhere all over the internet, only broken links.
thank yo in advance.
בתאריך יום שישי, 25 בדצמבר 2009 15:26:43 UTC+2, מאת VF:
Ok, a couple of Christmas presents to start off with :).
1. Philips ProTECH Audio Format Converter 2.2.0. (http://avaxhome.ws/software/platform/microsoft_windows/Philips_ProTECH_Audio_Format_Converter_2.2.0.html)
This program can convert PCM (WAV, AIFF) files to DSD (DSDIFF, aka *.DFF) and DSD to PCM. It is a top of the line pro application with all the bells and whistles and is what they use to create DSD masters (from PCM sources) for retail SACD discs.
2. Philips ProTECH DST Encoder 4.0.3 (http://avaxhome.ws/software/software_type/multimedia/Converters/Philips_ProTECH_DST_Encoder_4.0.3.html)
This encodes an uncompressed DSD file into a DST-encoded one. It's the equivalent of Surcode MLP with the DVD-Audio format - it's used to encode DSD to DST, ready for authoring on the SACD format. Also useful for compressing DSD files for lossless compressed storage. Who would want to store their (PCM) music collection in WAV? Compress it to FLAC or something. This is the same idea in the DSD realm.
These first two 'presents' are not what I was hinting at before, which I said many of you will find useful and use yourself, but THESE two apps, are an early part of what we will witness as the FINAL opening up of DSD and SACD formats on the computer, which, I promise you, is GOING to happen (and I am trying to make it happen as fast as I can). It may not apply to your every day experience yet, but it will to many of us in time!!
I have not even played around with these programs yet. I just received them from a source (which I will obviously not name) and can't wait to share it with you! DSD samples to play around with can be found here: http://www.2l.no/hires/index.html.
Future DSD samples will be from SACD discs themselves (:D :D), that's something I'm working on - as I've indicated in past months...I'm trying, people, I'm trying...(RLW!!! :P hehe)
Also, there is a DSD plugin for foobar which outputs the signal in 24-bit PCM (32-bit float) on the fly and you can set up to 192kHz resolution output: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=76080
AND there's even a DSD to PCM plugin for dbPoweramp now (http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?p=94899), though I suggest the ProTECH Audio Format Converter for the best quality conversion between the formats...
AH, SO MUCH DSD!!!!!!!
For now, pure (unchanged) DSD playback on the PC is still not a reality – but only high quality DSD->PCM playback (e.g. in foobar). But do not fear, folks, it's gradually going to happen. Also, there are some more programs I am going to share with you, coming soon!
- - -
Now a serious note: I would like to publically state right now, that it is not my intention to deliberately pirate these audio apps. I only do it because they are the only apps which can do what I want to do. If a free and legal equivalent existed, I would use it and encourage others to use it, instead of pirating a commercial app. Excellent examples of this are foobar (best general audio and dvd-a software player), imgburn (best kickass disc image burner and creator on the planet) and MPC-HC/VLC (top quality dvd and general media players).
I hope eventually that free and legal equivalents can exist for SACD and DVD-A, but for now this is all we've got. For DVD-A authoring, DVD audio Tools is the shining open-source beacon, and I hope eventually it can surpass Discwelder in all features - it's been making some great progress and once ready to surpass DW in ALL aspects (perhaps in a year's time), it will be the leading app after sonic, and one that we should all use for *another* reason, too: it will come in Mac, Windows AND linux versions!
I have faith in DVD audio Tools (dvda-author) and since I appear to know things which happen in the future (ooh :P - no I'm not psychic :rolleyes: - it's just because I'm often involved in 'what comes up'), you might want to believe it WILL happen ;).
Basically, I believe that it is not fair that the SACD and DVD-A formats are limited and kept from consumers' and enthusiasts' hands; that statement may be controversial but I don't care, I love these two formats and I also believe that with more power for us to play around with them in consumers' hands, the more interest they will actually get (and maybe SALES, you know!). That's my 2c. Why make us have to crack and hack the formats, as well as the insanely expensive programs needed to author them, in order to just have the freedom which we ought to have (like we do with the CD format)? That's my point of view and that's that. Screw DRM, long live music.
Merry Christmas :).
VF
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The person who uploaded these has not been involved in the site for a good few years; if anyone knows where these are, then I will give you shemes’ address for you to PM, if you so wish.
August Bleed
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Robert Coogan
I don’t understand the significance of a text file re my previous comment…
Humour is subjective.
Mine is mainly ironic as I am English and use additional vowels in my spelling.
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Steven Sullivan
Has anyone figured out how to rip their SACDs without using a bloody Playstation, Sonoma workstation, or expensively modded SACD/DVD player?
That's what I want to know.
ROBERT COOGAN
lokkerman
No and the long and short of it is that the SACD DVD-ROM drive was not freely available for use in a PC. The firmware is different and no-one managed to get hold of a PC mountable drive. The answer would be to blow a new set of firmware for a standard drive but I think the work stopped when Play-station SACD was cracked.