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grill
Oct 26, 2010, 5:06:37 PM10/26/10
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I'm facing the possibility of buying a 3D capable receiver at an
affordable price. My other extra need would be DSD decoding. I've
looked up the following receivers selling at similar prices in
Hungary:
Denon AVR-1611
Pioneer VSX-820 or 920
Sony STR-DH810
Onkyo TX-SR578
Yamaha RX-V567 (RX-A700)
At the moment I'm ogling the Onkyo and the Yamaha (A700 is not yet
selling in Hungary). If you have experiences in any of these receivers
or other advice please post it here.
affordable price. My other extra need would be DSD decoding. I've
looked up the following receivers selling at similar prices in
Hungary:
Denon AVR-1611
Pioneer VSX-820 or 920
Sony STR-DH810
Onkyo TX-SR578
Yamaha RX-V567 (RX-A700)
At the moment I'm ogling the Onkyo and the Yamaha (A700 is not yet
selling in Hungary). If you have experiences in any of these receivers
or other advice please post it here.
mircea raibulet
Oct 26, 2010, 8:00:36 PM10/26/10
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@grill
Pay attention with Pioneer receivers....not every Pioneer you can find in Hungary decodes the whole range of br audio streams...in this case you'll use a player that is able to decode all streams and sends pcms thru the hdmi output to your receiver.
As for 3d br player,pay attention to have at least a 1.3 hdmi out along with a 1.4 hdmi output.Why?
"Cause you'l use the 1.3 hdmi to send audio to your receiver and the 1.4 hdmi to send video to your 3d led tvset[refresh rate 120hz].So you don't have to use a 1.4 hdmi capable receiver....Don't forget your glasses :).
Have a nice day,
M
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grill
Oct 27, 2010, 5:13:24 PM10/27/10
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Thank you for these lot of details. Yes, that Pioneer VSX-1020 looks
great. However its price is beyond my possibilities at present. Models
820 or 920 would be well enough for me if I were certain about their
mch DSD handling.
On okt. 27, 19:47, Tab Cursor <tabcur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Grill!
>
> How lucky for you...I recently changed out receivers for a Pioneer
> VSX-1020 and immediately fell in love with it. I can speak to you from
> experience about Sony STR, Sony ES, Yamaha RX, and Pioneer VSX. That's
> all I've owned for well over 15 years.
>
> In both movies and music, I like the 5.1 surround sound experience. I
> have four towers, a 12 " sub, and dual 6" driver center channel. Each
> are made by JBL, Klisch, and Polk audio. In movies, I like bass that
> rattles windows, knocks stuff off shelves, etc. In music, I like bass
> that hits you in the chest and vibrates your body.
>
> One thing I always do is go the the Website and download the user
> manual before I buy the receiver. The manual tells a lot about how
> difficult the set up will be and gives you realistic specs about the
> product.
>
> Sony makes a great receiver in their ES line. I personally got tired
> of their STR series. But that was a few years back. I love the Sony
> Cinema DSP C. It was complicated to learn, but I could do things like
> "I want to sit in the third row of the theater over to the right." It
> had great 5.1 sound in both music and movies. I went through three ES
> receivers and I broke all of 'em. They run hot and overheat. That's
> why I left Sony. They provide around 120-watt 6.1 output (more
> channels now I'm sure) and a 140-watt 2-channel output. That's the
> same with both Yamaha and Pioneer (a little more wattage for 2-channel
> output). I don't really notice much of a difference in that amount of
> power increase. I do notice the sound difference between 2.0 and 5.1.
> If I were to buy a Sony today, I'd opt for the extended warranty. I
> also liked it's volume setting. 0 was silence. 100 was full volume.
> The remote controlled most of my equipent (had to program it) and cost
> over $200.
>
> After the Sony died, I bought a Yamaha RX-V861. I still have it...In
> fact I'm looking to sell it. It's 5.1 surround is great. The only
> complaint I had is what mircea commented about. It's a 1.3 hdmi
> receiver, so it doesn't encode the bluray formats: DTS-HD or TRU-HD.
> Therefore, I had to use a stand-alone decoder. In my case, my
> Panasonic bluray or Home Theater PC. Also, when you buy a new
> receiver, it includes video processing as well. On my Yamaha 1080P vs
> 1080i were a struggle. For example, I could hear the lossless
> soundtrack on Avatar (decoded by my Panasonic bluray). However the
> 1080P (24) playback supported by both my bluray and tv, wouldn't work
> through the Yamaha video circuitry. I'd get either 1080i or (if I shut
> off the processing), I'd get 1080p (not 24). That's really a minor
> annoyance. Audio on the Yamaha was great and clean. The newest models
> support all formats. The latest Yamaha's are getting great reviews.
> They're calling 'em the ARC angel ( for the new technology). The
> Yamaha comes with a microphone and sets up optimal sound using its
> YPAO. So set up is great and easy. However, tweaking on this one was
> difficult to learn. I referred to the manual a lot. That's all been
> changed in the newest models. In fact, I would have jumped on one of
> these models, i.e., RX-767, if it were available earlier this year.
> One other thing Yamaha created was front channel height... That's now
> in all the receivers as Dolby Z! This Yamaha also supported iPod/
> iPhone with an additional dock. Volume settings were different on this
> receiver, too. -80db was silence. +16db was full volume. What I miss
> about this receiver is it's 7.1 analog input/output abilities. The
> remote controlled only the receiver (but came with it). The Yamaha
> runs hot but doesn't overheat ... I could NOT break it.
>
> Pioneer released the VSX line earlier this year and I immediately went
> out and bought the VSX-1020 as soon as it was available in my local
> store. I didn't expect it to fall in love with it. I thought I'd use
> it for a month and then return it in hopes that the new Yamaha would
> be out. But Pioneer has outdone themselves with this product. It's not
> the ELITE line, but who cares? With 6 HDMI 3D ports, you have room to
> grow. I'm not interested in 3D video today, but maybe down the road.
> The video processor on this works great with my other bluray
> equipment. No 1080P/1080i issues. The DTS-HD / TRUE-HD decoding is
> great. I can't get enough of it. For now, bring on as many lossless
> channels in bluray as you can! It comes with a microphone and set up
> is a snap with it's graphical auto calibration MCACC (with THX option
> though not certification). I do use these set ups and then I tweak for
> extra bass. The GUI on this if more advanced than was on the Yamaha.
> It will even let you place the mic in three different room positions
> to maximize the sweet spot for all listeners in the room. It has Dolby
> Z which adds front width (as well as heighth). It does all the latest
> bluray as well as all the lossy surround choices. It has a slew of
> features of come to expect -- though I didn't buy it for them. For
> example, it will make annoying, loud commercials quiet. The remote
> operates every piece of equipment in my room, including my old Sony
> DVD player and Toshiba VCR! The iPod dock is built-in. The ethernet
> port gives you access to free internet radio. However, it does NOT
> support 7.1 analog input. That's gone for the possibility of 9.2
> surround. I plan to use this receiver to upgrade to 7.1 and front
> height speakers. It's volume settings are similar to the Yamaha: -80db
> is silent, +16 is full volume.
>
> I don't really get the volume adjust stuff anyway. To me, there's two
> settings: below half volume (where my wife listens) and over half
> volume (where I listen). All of these receivers sound great over half
> volume. That's how I spend most of my listening. What blows me away is
> how much technology we are able to own today vs. just 15 years ago.
> The Sony ES receivers each cost twice as much as the Yamaha. And the
> Yamaha cost twice as much as the Pioneer. And I'm enjoying the sound
> through technology so much more at a fraction of the price.
> Incredible. I don't know, maybe on my next receiver the company will
> pay me to take it.
>
> Hope this helps.
> > or other advice please post it here.- Idézett szöveg elrejtése -
>
> - Idézett szöveg megjelenítése -
great. However its price is beyond my possibilities at present. Models
820 or 920 would be well enough for me if I were certain about their
mch DSD handling.
On okt. 27, 19:47, Tab Cursor <tabcur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Grill!
>
> How lucky for you...I recently changed out receivers for a Pioneer
> VSX-1020 and immediately fell in love with it. I can speak to you from
> experience about Sony STR, Sony ES, Yamaha RX, and Pioneer VSX. That's
> all I've owned for well over 15 years.
>
> In both movies and music, I like the 5.1 surround sound experience. I
> have four towers, a 12 " sub, and dual 6" driver center channel. Each
> are made by JBL, Klisch, and Polk audio. In movies, I like bass that
> rattles windows, knocks stuff off shelves, etc. In music, I like bass
> that hits you in the chest and vibrates your body.
>
> One thing I always do is go the the Website and download the user
> manual before I buy the receiver. The manual tells a lot about how
> difficult the set up will be and gives you realistic specs about the
> product.
>
> Sony makes a great receiver in their ES line. I personally got tired
> of their STR series. But that was a few years back. I love the Sony
> Cinema DSP C. It was complicated to learn, but I could do things like
> "I want to sit in the third row of the theater over to the right." It
> had great 5.1 sound in both music and movies. I went through three ES
> receivers and I broke all of 'em. They run hot and overheat. That's
> why I left Sony. They provide around 120-watt 6.1 output (more
> channels now I'm sure) and a 140-watt 2-channel output. That's the
> same with both Yamaha and Pioneer (a little more wattage for 2-channel
> output). I don't really notice much of a difference in that amount of
> power increase. I do notice the sound difference between 2.0 and 5.1.
> If I were to buy a Sony today, I'd opt for the extended warranty. I
> also liked it's volume setting. 0 was silence. 100 was full volume.
> The remote controlled most of my equipent (had to program it) and cost
> over $200.
>
> After the Sony died, I bought a Yamaha RX-V861. I still have it...In
> fact I'm looking to sell it. It's 5.1 surround is great. The only
> complaint I had is what mircea commented about. It's a 1.3 hdmi
> receiver, so it doesn't encode the bluray formats: DTS-HD or TRU-HD.
> Therefore, I had to use a stand-alone decoder. In my case, my
> Panasonic bluray or Home Theater PC. Also, when you buy a new
> receiver, it includes video processing as well. On my Yamaha 1080P vs
> 1080i were a struggle. For example, I could hear the lossless
> soundtrack on Avatar (decoded by my Panasonic bluray). However the
> 1080P (24) playback supported by both my bluray and tv, wouldn't work
> through the Yamaha video circuitry. I'd get either 1080i or (if I shut
> off the processing), I'd get 1080p (not 24). That's really a minor
> annoyance. Audio on the Yamaha was great and clean. The newest models
> support all formats. The latest Yamaha's are getting great reviews.
> They're calling 'em the ARC angel ( for the new technology). The
> Yamaha comes with a microphone and sets up optimal sound using its
> YPAO. So set up is great and easy. However, tweaking on this one was
> difficult to learn. I referred to the manual a lot. That's all been
> changed in the newest models. In fact, I would have jumped on one of
> these models, i.e., RX-767, if it were available earlier this year.
> One other thing Yamaha created was front channel height... That's now
> in all the receivers as Dolby Z! This Yamaha also supported iPod/
> iPhone with an additional dock. Volume settings were different on this
> receiver, too. -80db was silence. +16db was full volume. What I miss
> about this receiver is it's 7.1 analog input/output abilities. The
> remote controlled only the receiver (but came with it). The Yamaha
> runs hot but doesn't overheat ... I could NOT break it.
>
> Pioneer released the VSX line earlier this year and I immediately went
> out and bought the VSX-1020 as soon as it was available in my local
> store. I didn't expect it to fall in love with it. I thought I'd use
> it for a month and then return it in hopes that the new Yamaha would
> be out. But Pioneer has outdone themselves with this product. It's not
> the ELITE line, but who cares? With 6 HDMI 3D ports, you have room to
> grow. I'm not interested in 3D video today, but maybe down the road.
> The video processor on this works great with my other bluray
> equipment. No 1080P/1080i issues. The DTS-HD / TRUE-HD decoding is
> great. I can't get enough of it. For now, bring on as many lossless
> channels in bluray as you can! It comes with a microphone and set up
> is a snap with it's graphical auto calibration MCACC (with THX option
> though not certification). I do use these set ups and then I tweak for
> extra bass. The GUI on this if more advanced than was on the Yamaha.
> It will even let you place the mic in three different room positions
> to maximize the sweet spot for all listeners in the room. It has Dolby
> Z which adds front width (as well as heighth). It does all the latest
> bluray as well as all the lossy surround choices. It has a slew of
> features of come to expect -- though I didn't buy it for them. For
> example, it will make annoying, loud commercials quiet. The remote
> operates every piece of equipment in my room, including my old Sony
> DVD player and Toshiba VCR! The iPod dock is built-in. The ethernet
> port gives you access to free internet radio. However, it does NOT
> support 7.1 analog input. That's gone for the possibility of 9.2
> surround. I plan to use this receiver to upgrade to 7.1 and front
> height speakers. It's volume settings are similar to the Yamaha: -80db
> is silent, +16 is full volume.
>
> I don't really get the volume adjust stuff anyway. To me, there's two
> settings: below half volume (where my wife listens) and over half
> volume (where I listen). All of these receivers sound great over half
> volume. That's how I spend most of my listening. What blows me away is
> how much technology we are able to own today vs. just 15 years ago.
> The Sony ES receivers each cost twice as much as the Yamaha. And the
> Yamaha cost twice as much as the Pioneer. And I'm enjoying the sound
> through technology so much more at a fraction of the price.
> Incredible. I don't know, maybe on my next receiver the company will
> pay me to take it.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> - Idézett szöveg megjelenítése -
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