Anybody here still using Lion?

[Scott]

We went SSL on the supercard.us site yesterday and I am wondering just which browsers will be affected. I know Snow Leopard is out as far as Safari is concerned, but I am really not all that worried about it. So I am trying to find what the cuttoff is as I only have Snow Leopard, Yosemite and Sierra/High Sierra to test.

Would appreciate hearing from those of you running Lion and/or Mountain Lion to see if you can browse our site.

Thanks,

-ss

[Abbie Gonzalez]

Only on the PPC file servers. 🤣

[Alec Hole]

Hi Scott,

I don't have still have a Mac running Lion or Mountain Lion, but I do have one running 10.9 Mavericks. I can visit the supercard.us site with no problems in Safari and also Opera and Firefox,

All the best,

Alec

[Scott]

Thanks Alec...

Still looking for folks with Lion as I am guessing that is the oldest system that won't have an issue.

[Abbie Gonzalez]

Why not browsershots? It should have those versions of safari to chose from.

[Charles Chiu]

I have a hyperdcard system which is still running on my old MacIntosh. I suspect it might not be of interest to you.

Charles

[Scott]

Thanks. I'm pretty certain that system is old enough to not connect. Pretty sure that anything older than Lion (10.7) will not be compatible.

[Rigor Mortis]

No - we upgraded to 10.13 a few months ago - not a good decision, by the way. Currently evaluating if I stay with mac for private use, or if I switch to win for the first time in more than 20 years.

[Scott]

On Tuesday, May 22, 2018 at 2:55:27 PM UTC-7, Rigor Mortis wrote:
> No - we upgraded to 10.13 a few months ago - not a good decision, by the way. Currently evaluating if I stay with mac for private use, or if I switch to win for the first time in more than 20 years.

Yeah... The OS is becoming much like the hardware in recent years... held together with rivets and glue.

[Richard Pitcairn]

I have been using Sierra for about a year and on my MB Air up to HIgh Sierra. I have not seen any particular problems or anything not working as well. What happened to you when you upgraded?

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[Joe Koomen]

Loss of features, a finder that crashes when more that three windows are open, persistent bugs that never get squashed. I know that the developers of SuperCard can tell you about all the undocumented changes to the OS that make it hard for them to maintain their own software.

I could go on and on.

When my laptop dies, I will buy a used one of the same make and model so I can work on the software I prefer. If not, I know I can buy a $300 PC that can do everything I need except for SuperCard.... Apple is no different that Windows as far as what they offer, and Apple has shown me no reason why I should pay a premium price for their services.

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[Richard Pitcairn]

Wow! Does sound like a lot of trouble. I have been lucky I guess as I have not run into these things. I did have some trouble with resending Mail emails but it seems to have finally smoothed out.

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[Donald Tillman]

On May 22, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Joe Koomen <joek...@gmail.com> wrote:

Loss of features, a finder that crashes when more that three windows are open, persistent bugs that never get squashed. I know that the developers of SuperCard can tell you about all the undocumented changes to the OS that make it hard for them to maintain their own software.

I could go on and on.

When my laptop dies, I will buy a used one of the same make and model so I can work on the software I prefer. If not, I know I can buy a $300 PC that can do everything I need except for SuperCard.... Apple is no different that Windows as far as what they offer, and Apple has shown me no reason why I should pay a premium price for their services.

As an admin. I would have to disagree. Windows is not very systematic in it’s design and is a real headache to support. In fairness to you, while OS X is BSD/Unix and is very stable, it might be time for Apple and the industry to review BSD/Unix and look at creating a UNIX 2.0 so that it can be more systematic from an OS perspective.

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 7:16 PM, Richard Pitcairn <ric...@drpitcairn.com> wrote:

I have been using Sierra for about a year and on my MB Air up to HIgh Sierra. I have not seen any particular problems or anything not working as well. What happened to you when you upgraded?

— Richard 

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On Tuesday, May 22, 2018 at 2:55:27 PM UTC-7, Rigor Mortis wrote:

No - we upgraded to 10.13 a few months ago - not a good decision, by the way. Currently evaluating if I stay with mac for private use, or if I switch to win for the first time in more than 20 years.

Yeah... The OS is becoming much like the hardware in recent years... held together with rivets and glue.

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[cebuarcher]

I am using 10.6.8 snow leopard on a 2010 macbook. I have another macbook running 10.5.8 and it is super, super slow.

[Scott]

Anyone with a pre-retina MacBook or MacBook Pro really should replace the HDD with an SSD. This is a pretty inexpensive and simple process on these machines, and the performance boost is more than substantial.

[Richard Pitcairn]

I have done that on three of the computers I have and did it myself, was not difficult. I purchased the SSD’s from Other World Computing. They have good products in my experience and videos to guide you in the installation.

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[Rigor Mortis]

Correct, I build about a dozen ssds in macs (laptops and imacs) without any trouble at all.

Best  way to do this: buy an adapter for connecting the ssd to your mac, clone the internal hd for instance with carbon copy cloner, switch hd with ssd, that's all. Without the cloning time usually worktime 15 minutes max. Maybe a bit more on an imac, when it is difficult to remove the front glass.

Do not update to newer OSX, they will slow your mac down again drastically  (working here with four 6-core black small "bathroom trashcans" fat macs with 32 GB RAM each and an SSD of course. After switching to 10.13. the work speed feels halved.)

[Bill Bowling]

[Bill Bowling]

I replaced my 2010 MacBook and  2011 MacMini with an SSD drives. This made the machines like new again. Someone mentioned not to upgrade to the newer OS. This may be fine if the machines are used only for specific things, but for daily use I would argue that latest and greatest OS  is probably a better way to go for security and compatibility. It’s unfortunate that life does not revolve around SuperCard.

One thing to note - I tried out a very expensive MAcBook Pro last year with the hopes of parsing very large text files with SuperCard. This was a fail! I have not revisited that project as I feel it is a SuperCard limitation and not hardware.

Bill

[Rigor Mortis]

unfortunately it is not the latest and greatest OS - the new file system that 10.13 forces you to use is a pita, interaction with other file systems gets worse and worse each update, handling more than one or two external drives is getting sloooower and sloooooooooower … spinning-ball-of-waiting is more and more common. And these are only the file system issues (and not all of them - fan of the old disk utility anyone?), I dropped "Mail" long ago due to unreliabilty, Spotlight makes a lot of trouble plus plus. 

Maybe, if you have no network of computers, a single user mac and not much stuff connected with it you will not have these issues, but I need working machines (10.6 to 10.9 was a great time), not "ballerinas with attitudes".

You are completely right about the security issues - Mac stops to support older OS, so you have more and more trouble maintaining a secure system. 

[Scott]

This is sadly true. The new file system is beta at best, and if your system is on an SSD, you are forced to upgrade to it. This brings a host of problems with communicating to other devices, which is why we're steering clear of it for now.

As for security, if your on a system that is still getting browser (and other security) updates, there is no real security advantage to 10.13.

[catkeeper]

I agree that (so long as you're running something that's still receiving security updates) the security benefits of running the latest major OS release are overrated. Recall that over 10.13.0 - 10.13.1 Apple not once but TWICE screwed things up so badly that full root access could be obtained just by asking for it in the login dialog! 

As Gary Poppitz was reportedly fond of saying, new code means new bugs...

So what were you trying to do with ginormous text files, and what sort of problem(s) stopped you?

-Mark

[Scott]

On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 10:01:41 AM UTC-7, catkeeper wrote:

As Gary Poppitz was reportedly fond of saying, new code means new bugs...

 LOL… he got that from Steve Cochard.

[Bill Bowling]

I have a 5gb text file with a 1 one year history of crew duties.(crew planing system) The goal was to scan (repeat and offset variable container not a field) all crew members and  pick out individual histories, make a few a changes to duty codes and pay values and save. This file gets loaded into another application (Crew bidding) that provides schedule bidding. Pay and duty values need to be correct for FAR and contract reasons. I thought that perhaps it would easy just to have a tool that fixes a few things between the two applications.

The solution was to have the developers fix the outputs and inputs of the two systems. There was some push back from them as they have competing produts.

What was frustrating ... TextWrangle can perform search and replace with ease versus SuperCards endless beachball. Perhaps I missed something with how I went about it.

I also thought a high end MacBook Pro would help ....Not. (returned it after two weeks) Much prefer my MacBook Air and MacMini.

On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 10:01:41 AM UTC-7, catkeeper wrote:

[catkeeper]

D-OH! That's because until the long filename APIs came along, Carbon apps couldn't properly access files >2GB.

But I'm pretty sure I could've added that easily enough in 4.8 if anyone had asked...

Well, 4.81.

-Mark

On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 1:39:42 PM UTC-4, Bill Bowling wrote:

[Alfred Lim]

My 2010 macbook has 2 ssd drives 120GB/360GB, and I upgraded memory to 8GB. it has el capitan and snow leopard. Switching between the 2 OS is bearable as startup is only 20 seconds for OSX 10.11 and 50 seconds for OSX 10.6.8. 

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[catkeeper]

OK that's done.

SC 4.81 should be able to read and write files up to 4 exabytes (if you've got the storage) though for now only up to two gigabytes at a time, as that's as much memory as Handles (which are used to store variables) can address.

HTH,

-Mark