OT Compelling OS Features

[joekoomen]

It would be nice if Apple had more respect for their customers who may have dozens of little apps and utils that will never see a 64bit upgrade, and be a little clearer on this. I have quite a few I honestly can't live without. If 10.14 really cuts them off at the knees I won't be keen on upgrading. And if 10.14 surprises me by bringing something really compelling to the table (guessing not), I'll just have to run a virtual environment to support them.

- Scott Simon

 Scott was talking about Apple's move away from 32 bit compatibility and I was wondering — Has Apple added anything new and compelling to the OS since the days when the OS was named for big cats? I'd really like to know.

We were using 10.8.5 for the longest time, but finally moved to 10.12.6 (Sierra) because we needed to upgrade some software. I haven't seen anything compelling with that jump of 4 major OS versions. I have noticed the loss of features and random crashes for some software. We are using Adobe's Creative Cloud software because we HAVE to, and I can't say that Adobe has had anything good to offer either (lots of stupid new social and sharing features that would break our clients' NDAs but nothing good). It seems that all the current innovation comes from small companies that get scooped up and killed when they eat too much market share....

Joe

[Guyren Howe]

On May 25, 2018, at 12:48 , joekoomen <joek...@gmail.com> wrote:

We were using 10.8.5 for the longest time, but finally moved to 10.12.6 (Sierra) because we needed to upgrade some software. I haven't seen anything compelling with that jump of 4 major OS versions. I have noticed the loss of features and random crashes for some software. We are using Adobe's Creative Cloud software because we HAVE to, and I can't say that Adobe has had anything good to offer either (lots of stupid new social and sharing features that would break our clients' NDAs but nothing good). It seems that all the current innovation comes from small companies that get scooped up and killed when they eat too much market share….

The transparent sharing stuff is pretty cool. I can just copy something on my Mac and immediately paste it on my iPhone.

The iCloud syncing with apps is pretty nice too. Pages is a nice word processor, and I can freely switch between my devices and edit the same document.

APFS is a big improvement on HFS.

Those are the major things I can think of. It’s right that Apple is more focused on iOS, but they do make progress with the Mac also.

I haven’t noticed a decline in stability.

[Scott]

On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 12:48:20 PM UTC-7, joekoomen wrote:

Has Apple added anything new and compelling to the OS since the days when the OS was named for big cats? I'd really like to know.

If I knew then what I know now, I probably would have stayed on Mountain Lion for my daily driver. Sierra ain't that bad with the exception of occasional issues with Mail (including broken scriptability - but thats been going on for years), boot problems on multiple display systems (sometimes got to remember how to sign on in the dark), BlueTooth latency, wifi glitches, and just poor performance in general at times. Good god, just stare at the console for a while. All of our other other machines still have the option of using Snow Leopard (which is where they're at).

I haven't seen anything to get excited about in years (both in hardware and software). We don't use iPhones. Apple cloud services were never good and we moved on long ago to Google and AWS. BTTM rarely works as intended (even when we know both connections are solid). 

We've steered clear of APFS: too many cross-compatibility headaches, and I don't even know if remote AppleEvents are supported over SMB. But given Sal Soghoian's dismissal 18 months ago, that should clue us in on Apple's current stance on them (which has been one of the most compelling aspects of the Mac IMHO).

So I pretty much got nothin' (which is in stark contrast to my first 34 years on the Mac). (c;

[Christian Hanisch]

 Scott was talking about Apple's move away from 32 bit compatibility and I was wondering — Has Apple added anything new and compelling to the OS since the days when the OS was named for big cats? I'd really like to know.

We were using 10.8.5 for the longest time, but finally moved to 10.12.6 (Sierra) because we needed to upgrade some software. I haven't seen anything compelling with that jump of 4 major OS versions. I have noticed the loss of features and random crashes for some software. We are using Adobe's Creative Cloud software because we HAVE to, and I can't say that Adobe has had anything good to offer either (lots of stupid new social and sharing features that would break our clients' NDAs but nothing good). It seems that all the current innovation comes from small companies that get scooped up and killed when they eat too much market share....

Same experience here - the system gets less workable and slower from upgrade to upgrade. Though I never used Windows before (C64, Amiga, Performa 630, PowerBook 150, PowerMac, iMac, G4 tower, Dual G5 tower, Powerbook G4, MacBook, MacBook Air, some MacBook Pro … I'm sure I forgot one or two) I bought a PC-Laptop some months ago to get used to it … and I guess I will switch to Windows. Tried Linux for some time, will still use it for security sensible stuff, and will still use Apple with Adobe (the CC-cloud is a huge pita, I wished, we had not switched from CS5) at work. When we have to upgrade there, I will try to steer to Windows, too.

[Joe Koomen]

Hi Guyren,

Cloud features on any platform don't really impress me. If a hacker is going to try and lock out a server farm for ransom, he'll choose Apple or Google. We have a file server and a VPN so our files are always accessible. I haven't really used any of Apple's own apps, like Pages, but I've heard all the features have been dumbed down to make it more compatible with tablets. I've heard lots of complaining from long time users of both iPhoto and Pages that features they used regularly just disappeared and going back to earlier versions was very difficult.

I have one stability issue with the Finder. I will often have windows for a few servers/back-up drives/etc. and if I control click a few items so that I can copy them to the open windows, the finder crashes about a third of the time.

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