Straw Poll

[jon bradford]

Gents

Apologies for using SM as to do a quick poll, but I need some very
quick feedback about something.

Has you ever heard of "The Innovation Machine" and where?

jon

[Ross Cooney]

Hi Jon,

2009/11/2 jon bradford <jdbra...@gmail.com>:
>
>
> Gents

The group is not exclusively male...we have a large female contingent.

> Apologies for using SM as to do a quick poll, but I need some very
> quick feedback about something.

No probs...

> Has you ever heard of "The Innovation Machine" and where?

Nope, in the absence of a Google search...what is it?

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[Ed Morgan]

I've not heard of "The Innovation Machine" either...

2009/11/2 Ross Cooney <ross....@gmail.com>

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[Mike Parker]

Em I've heard talk of innovation machines with certain individuals. Other than business conversations, I've not heard anything outside of that.

Mike

[Mario Menger]

I thought I had heard of it, but after a Google search I think I've
made that up, must have been
a different machine...

Mario

[Alistair MacDonald]

I think there was an Innovation Machine related to Newcastle Science
City, but I could be getting names confused.

Alistair


2009/11/2 Mario Menger <ncl...@infomixer.co.uk>:

[Phil Munro]

not me

2009/11/2 jon bradford <jdbra...@gmail.com>

[Steven Woods]

Nope never heard of it - sounds like some kind of funding drive perhaps?

2009/11/2 Phil Munro <phil....@gmail.com>

[Alistair MacDonald]

Found it, it was talked about in "In Conversation With... Peter
Arnold" that was put on by the bridge club at the centre for life. I
did not go, but have invite email with some broad details is you want
it.

Alistair




2009/11/2 Alistair MacDonald <alistair....@gmail.com>:

[jon bradford]

Alistair

Its not a competition!!

Anyone else heard of it?

jon

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jon bradford wrote, On 02/11/09 15:49:

Sadly not.

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[Alistair MacDonald]

> Its not a competition!!

Sorry, I thought you wanted the information, but I guess you really
are just after if people know about it.

If I am corrected I suspect that only one or two people will have head
about it here as it is not overly relevant to most of us. Do we get to
know why you ask?

[jon bradford]

I'm just full of secrets ... I will tell you but not yet

jon

[Ian]

Rings a bell but I can't remember where I heard it.
Might have been a Netpark thing.

[haniff din]

Hi Jon,

Yes I've heard of the innovation machine.

I think It was on some open university stuff.

Basically it's a system that Dyson has adopted now

to come up with new ideas.

Very simply it's a creative think tank.

Something which large global brands would approach to come up

with ideas for them.

I come up with ideas constantly, so I did once consider joining a think tank.

So I seriously looked into how they work about possibly setting up one as well.

It's a very japanese way of working.  For example, Sony would create a best

selling product, and just make it smaller.

By making it smaller, they are *Forced* to start again, and rebuilt it.

The very act of making something smaller you are *Forced* to innovate.

Which is why sony will release the same product but smaller, lighter, faster, better.

(recently ps3 lite)

It's not because really the consumer wants it smaller, it's becasue they are forced

to innovate and come up with new technologies, and it's those technologies

create new products.  They do it to compete and survive.

That's the very essence of the "innovation machine" - it's a process that naturally

creates new ideas by doing other things.

The Japanese also believe smaller things are closer to god, which is why

they strive for smallness, and think the Mini Car is very cool and way

ahead of it's time which it was.

Not many people get this outside of Japan, except people like Dyson, which

the japanese got instantly.

You'll never see a western company completely re-creating  a product, that

only appears smaller. Which is why all the best electrical gadgets are from the east.

cheers, haniff  - ibod search engine.

2009/11/2 jon bradford <jdbra...@gmail.com>

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[andi farr]

Hi Haniff,

Not sure that Jonathan Ive (and the rest of Apple), among others, would agree with that particular sweeping statement...

Cheers!

Andi

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[Richard Hyett]

Quite right and Jonathan was at Northumbria University.

Smart and Bubble cars both originated in Germany

Richard

2009/11/3 andi farr <an...@semibad.com>

[lauramaddison]

I've not heard of it either, if it's based on some of the comments on
the thread then it sounds interesting.

Just thought I should reply to eliminate the gents only theory :)

Laura

[Hannah Bryan]

Good point, Laura ;) 

 

I haven't heard of it either.

2009/11/3 lauramaddison <lmad...@gmail.com>

[haniff din]

Hi Andi,

for sure!

If you look at the top 50 innovative companies in the world,

apple have been no1 for a while.

http://creativityandinnovation.blogspot.com/2007/05/top-50-innovative-companies-in-world.html

My point was more really that eastern thinking has innovation built in,

which is why they understood what Dyson was trying to do and no

other company in the west did.

It's an interesting point that apple generally make products for one person - steve jobs!

When Steve left (well pushed out of apple)  apple took a serious nose dive on all fronts and all

the innovation was created at NextStep, which he brought back into apple in the form

of osx. 

Therefore the ingrained culture of innovation wasn't really there, like it is

in the east.

So apple occupy a very special place indeed in all this.

H

2009/11/3 andi farr <an...@semibad.com>

[Steven Woods]

er, Steve Jobs isn't responsible for design at Apple .. Jonathan Ive is...(and a metric assload of other people far more qualified for the job than he is).

Happily, he was educated at Newcastle Polytechnic :)

You're definitely right in some respects but you can't make sweeping generalisations when talking about global industries and cultures!

S

2009/11/3 haniff din <hanif...@digitalmedia.co.uk>

[Alex Kavanagh]

Steven Woods wrote:

er, Steve Jobs isn't responsible for design at Apple .. Jonathan Ive is...(and a metric assload of other people far more qualified for the job than he is).

But if S. Jobs doesn't like the product it doesn't get out of the door.  He is the gate-keeper and represents the customers from Apple's perspectives.  I couldn't design a car but I know a good one; I can't paint but I can appreciate good paintings; Steve J knows a good product for his market when he sees one and I guess spots the bad ones too.

[haniff din]

Hey, I'm still the pround owner of the original
"Bondi blue" iMac! Only it has a orange keyboard/mouse.

I wonder if I can upgrade it with a mini-mac internals or something.

Also mac classic, three broken powerbooks and a newton pda (which I still use for passwords).

I must getting old, I really do like playing with these old computers!

Still not been able to find a Next Step machine yet, I think they just

looked so cool as well... I wonder who designed them?

H

2009/11/3 Steven Woods <st...@swoo.co.uk>

[david...@davidcoxon.com]

No i've not heard of it, or can't remember why if i have.

It sounds familiar, but it is the kind of generic term/name that is
always to sound familiar whether you've heard of it or not.

On 3 Nov, 19:27, haniff din <haniff....@digitalmedia.co.uk> wrote:
> Hey, I'm still the pround owner of the original
> "Bondi blue" iMac! Only it has a orange keyboard/mouse.
>
> I wonder if I can upgrade it with a mini-mac internals or something.
>
> Also mac classic, three broken powerbooks and a newton pda (which I still
> use for passwords).
>
> I must getting old, I really do like playing with these old computers!
>
> Still not been able to find a Next Step machine yet, I think they just
> looked so cool as well... I wonder who designed them?
>
> H
>
> 2009/11/3 Steven Woods <st...@swoo.co.uk>
>
>
>
> > er, Steve Jobs isn't responsible for design at Apple .. Jonathan Ive
> > is...(and a metric assload of other people far more qualified for the job
> > than he is).
>
> > Happily, he was educated at Newcastle Polytechnic :)
>
> > You're definitely right in some respects but you can't make sweeping
> > generalisations when talking about global industries and cultures!
>
> > S
>

> > 2009/11/3 haniff din <haniff....@digitalmedia.co.uk>

>
> >> Hi Andi,
>
> >> for sure!
>
> >> If you look at the top 50 innovative companies in the world,
> >> apple have been no1 for a while.
>

> >>http://creativityandinnovation.blogspot.com/2007/05/top-50-innovative...

>
> >> My point was more really that eastern thinking has innovation built in,
> >> which is why they understood what Dyson was trying to do and no
> >> other company in the west did.
>
> >> It's an interesting point that apple generally make products for one
> >> person - steve jobs!
> >> When Steve left (well pushed out of apple)  apple took a serious nose dive
> >> on all fronts and all
> >> the innovation was created at NextStep, which he brought back into apple
> >> in the form
> >> of osx.
>
> >> Therefore the ingrained culture of innovation wasn't really there, like it
> >> is
> >> in the east.
>
> >> So apple occupy a very special place indeed in all this.
>
> >> H
>

> >> 2009/11/3 andi farr <a...@semibad.com>

>
> >>> Hi Haniff,
>
> >>> Not sure that Jonathan Ive (and the rest of Apple), among others, would
> >>> agree with that particular sweeping statement...
>
> >>> Cheers!
>
> >>> Andi
> >>> --
> >>>  www.semibad.com
> >>>www.generictext.com
>
> >> --
> >> Best regards,
> >> Haniff Din  [mobile: 07999 144 007]
>

> >> mailto:haniff....@digitalmedia.co.uk

> >> Chief Consultant
> >> Digital Media Consulting Ltd
> >> South Tees Business Centre
> >> Middlesbrough
> >> TS6 6TL
> >> Tel: 01642 438 415
> >> Fax: 01642 438 550
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Haniff Din  [mobile: 07999 144 007]
>

> mailto:haniff....@digitalmedia.co.uk

[martin]

haniff din wrote:
>
> Hey, I'm still the pround owner of the original
> "Bondi blue" iMac! Only it has a orange keyboard/mouse.
>
> I wonder if I can upgrade it with a mini-mac internals or something.
>
> Also mac classic, three broken powerbooks and a newton pda (which I
> still use for passwords).
>
> I must getting old, I really do like playing with these old computers!
>
> Still not been able to find a Next Step machine yet, I think they just
> looked so cool as well... I wonder who designed them?

I've about 5 turbo slabs kicking about and I'm under pressure to make
some space so any offers?

Regards,
M

[haniff din]

Actually if anyone knows anyone localish who does apple repairs on things like

old apple powerbooks it would be good!

would be a useful to know.

Haniff

2009/11/4 martin <mar...@luminoussheep.net>

[Ian]

Haniff,
The Newton PDA, that's the one that has the IR ports always on.
I remember having some fun with them, thanks for the tip on where to
find all your password info
;-)

[haniff din]

Hi Ian,

wow, so pleased someone else actually knows what they are,

I thought for a moment I was living in a parallel universe or switched to one

where they don't exist or something!

I have two actually,  the newer smaller, and original model.

The hand recognition is really quite good.. 

I mean who'd even think these heavy bricks were state of the art PDAs now?

...and even think anything sensitive is stored on them....

Besides, the "what's that then?" conversation in meetings is always

really quite amusing.  It's worth having one for that amusement alone...

Mind you I got a parcel the other day, and the guy had a massive PDA,

I think it was some ancient PSION...Signing it really sucked...

 

Didn't realise they were still active in this market, I've not used my Psion 5 in ages...

cheers H

2009/11/5 Ian <Ia...@phortress.co.uk>