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Richard,

 

Your right about the "lead time" problem.  It will take a number of years to have adequate transit, even in urban areas where some infrastructure exists.  Look how impossible it has been to restore the Sunset Limited east of New Orleans, even when the host railroad is ready to accept the trains.

 

To me, there is a little irony in the "lead time" needed for transit.  Ten years ago we said that developing more of our oil and gas resources was not an option because it would take 10 years to benefit from those developments.  Now we are in the same situation with transit.  Had we begun developing mass transit in many areas 10 years ago, we wouldn't have such a crunch today.

 

Those places that did develop their rail resources a decade ago are benefiting from being ahead of the game.  The NEC, the commuter and regional trains radiating from Chicago, and the corridor trains in California are all good examples.  But other places are years behind.  And still others, more remote with no hope for passenger train service, will likely never have the passenger train service they once had, due both to unwilling host railroads and unwilling support from the political structure.

 

People are already altering their driving habits.  A study showed that people change their driving habits at $3.50 a gallon.  Some of us have few options:  cutting the number of "optional" trips, like weekend recreation outings, etc., is usually a start.  That already hurts restaurants and motels in destination areas.  So the economy will continue to take a hit, especially this summer as people curtail their travel plans.  It should help Amtrak, but with decreasing numbers of available cars, the trains can only carry a limited number of people. 

 

It will be interesting to see what impact increasing gasoline prices this summer will have on public support for train service. 

 

Henry

 

In a message dated 3/23/2012 10:59:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, rfri...@pacbell.net writes:

I can't see, Henry, that rising gas prices are doing much in the long run.  Sure, more riders are flocking to existing systems, but the lead time on new service is such that we'll sit with empty gas tanks for a long time before "transit" saves us. When the minimum wage wass $1.25, gasoline was $.30 a gallon, and cars got 12 mpg.  Now cars get 20+mpg, and gas is $4.00+, but the actual cost per mile of driving is probably a lot less than the cost was a generation ago.  It's just that Americans want something for nothing, and someone else to pay for that. --- On Fri, 3/23/12, henrywulff <henry...@aol.com> wrote: From: henrywulff <henry...@aol.com> Subject: Re: Fw: This Week at Amtrak/Business and Politics of Passenger Rail March22, 2012 To: sunset-li...@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, March 23, 2012, 7:15 AM $4 gasoline will make a lot of people clamor for passenger train service. A billion here, a billion there, it could become a reality. States that want improved and expanded service better get their ducks in order. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: "Richard L. Friedman" <rfri...@pacbell.net> Sender: sunset-li...@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:27:07 -0700 (PDT) To: <sunset-li...@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: sunset-li...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Fw: This Week at Amtrak/Business and Politics of Passenger Rail March22, 2012 We'll see.  Why does a company the size of FECI decide to take on something they gave up a generation ago because (I guess) they felt they couldn't make a profit on it?  What is different this time around?  Passenger rail is still labor and capital intensive, maintenance of equipment requires trained and experienced personnel, who won't work for minimum wage and no benefits, and track will need to maintained to a much higher standard than the railroads provide for scrap metal. 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