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Ulrich Dessauer

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Nov 9, 1991, 1:30:57 PM11/9/91
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Hallo,

vor einiger Zeit (so vor ca. 2 Jahren ;-)) habe ich nach
Rezepten fuer ein Chili con carne gefragt. Ich erhielt diverse
Antworten (thanx noch nachtraeglich!), und wollte die mal testen.
Nur konnte ich mich bisher nicht dazu durchringen :-(. Daher
poste ich die gesammelten Werke mal ungetestet, viel Spass beim
Kochen! An Erfahrungen bin ich auf jeden Fall interessiert.

Gruss, U//i

P.S.: Da die Antworten schon vor einiger Zeit eingetroffen sind
kann es sein, dass die E-Mail Adressen nicht mehr stimmen!
P.P.S.: Ich habe auch noch Rezepte aus der Newsgroup rec.food.recipes
beigefuegt.
--
Ulrich Dessauer, +49 89 841 78 11, u...@nitmar.ddt.sub.org
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From: to...@doitcr.doit.sub.org (Torsten Kirschner)

folgendes CCC - Rezept hat einer meiner Wohnungsgenossen letzte Woche auf
seinem Geburtstagsfest zur Anwendung gebracht und zwei Dutzend Leute durch-
gefuettert, die alle relativ zufrieden waren. Da er zu den Menschen gehoert,
die ohne Rechner leben koennen tipp' ich es also ab. Wenn es da noch mehr
Typen gibt, die Dir CCC - Mixturen schicken, dann waere ich schon sehr an
einem zusammenfassenden Posting interessiert. Nun denn:

CCC
===

2 1/2 Pfund Mett mit Salz & Pfeffer nachwuerzen und portionsweise in Marga-
rine scharf anbraten.
Dicke Gemuesezwiebeln wuerfeln und glasig duensten, dann ueber das Mett
schichten.
2 Dosen rote Kidney Bohnen und eine Dose geschaelte Tomaten dazugeben und
mit einer halben Flasche Ketchup aufkochen.
Nun alles mit Chili(pulver) vorsichtig wuerzen, evtl. Salz und Pfeffer nach-
geben.
Zum Schluss einen halben Becher Sahne hinzufuegen.

voila.

cu
Torsten

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From: pwe...@neon.UUCP (Patrick Wendt)

Nun ja, ich mache es mir bei Chili-Con-Carne immer recht einfach,
indem ich eine fertige Wuerzmischung (z.B. von Mc Cormick) benutze,
damit gelingt der ganze Kram echt gut ...

Selber dazutun tu ich meist noch jug. Peperoni (sehr scharf), da
ich nun mal ein CHILI-Con-Carne auch gerne scharf esse ...

Gruss ... Patrick.

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From: Roman Stanowsky <roman%pen...@nitmar.ddt.sub.org>

Here it comes:
fuer 4 Personen

1 grosse Zwiebel, 2 Koblauchzehen, 1 gruene Paprikaschote, 4 Essl. Oel,
500 g gemischtes Hackfleisch, 2 getrocknete Chilischoten, 1 kg geschaelte
Tomaten aus der Dose, 1 Lorbeerblatt, 1/2 Teel. getrockneter Oregano,
500 g rote Bohnen aus der Dose, Salz, schwarzer Pfeffer, Cayennepfeffer,
Tabascosauce
ca. 2405 Joule / 575 Kalorien pro Person
Zubereitungszeit: 50 Minuten

o Die Zwiebel und die Knoblauchzehen feinhacken. Die Paprikaschote putzen,
waschen und in Wuerfel schneiden.
o Das Oel in einem grossen Topf erhitzen, die Zwiebel und den Knoblauch
darin glasig braten. Das Hackfleisch und die Paprikaschote zugeben und bei
starker Hitze unter Ruehren 5 Minuten anbraten. Die getrockneten Chili-
schoten kleinschneiden.
o Die Tomaten mit dem Saft, das Lorbeerblatt, den Oregano und die Chili-
schoten zugeben. Alles 15 Minuten bei milder Hitze kochen lassen.
o Die Bohnen abtropfen lassen und zur Hackfleischmischung geben. Das Gericht
weitere 10 Minuten koecheln lassen.
o Den Eintopf mit Salz, Pfeffer, Cayennepfeffer und Tabascosauce abschmecken.

Dazu passt Stangenweissbrot, Salat.


Aus: "Unser Kochbuch No. 1", Graefe und Unzer Verlag, S. 327.

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From: dieter@dischw (dieter)

Ich weiss nich ob es so schwierig ist Chili zu kochen und genaue Rezepte
sind nicht mein Ding, aber ich erklaer mal wie ich es zubereite:

Ne rechte Menge Hackfleisch oder fein gewuerfeltes Fleisch scharf anbraten
mit der gleichen Menge Zwiebeln und Tomaten schmoren und mit Knoblauch und
kleinen Chilischoten wuerzen, Chili aus der Dose tuts auch, die gut einge
weichten Bohnen (rote oder Kidney) dazu , ungefaehr Volumen vom Fleisch,
notfalls gehen auch Dosenbohnen und das ganze gut durchkochen, die Menge
Fluessigkeit kriegt man durch Fleischbruehe konstant gehalten , dazu
Fladenbrot und dann aber HabHab..

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From: SI...@KBBS.zer

Hallo,
suchst Du mexikanisches (mit Fleisch) oder amerikanisches (mit Hack)??
Ich habe ein original mexikanisches Kochbuch; da ist das Rezept folgender
massen:
6 ancho chiles, 2 pounds beef chuck, cut into 1/2 inch cubes, 1 onion,
1 cloved garlic, oil, 1/2 teespoon oregano, salt, fresh ground pepper,
2 cups red kidney beans, cooked.
So ich habe dem noch hinzugefuegt:
statt der 2 Tassen Kidneybohnen: 500 g rote und 250 - 500 g dicke frische
weisse Bohnen, Rotwein, tomaten, etwas Zitronensaft.

Das gewuerfelte Rindfleisch in Oliven- oder anderem Oel anbraten, die ge-
hackte Zwiebel hinzugeben, Dosentomaten hinzufuegen und mit etwas Wein
noch dabei etwas 1 Stunde kochen lassen. Nach der Stunde gehackten
Knoblauch und die Chilis hinzugeben, ebenfalss die Bohnen, Oregano und
Pfeffer. Eine weitere Sunde leicht koecheln lassen, zum Schluss evt.
noch etwas Oregano ugeben.

Wenn du getrocknete Rote Bohnen nimmst, muessen die ueber Nacht in
Wasser einweichen und dann mit diesem Wasser etwa vor Bereitung des
Chili 2 Stunden gar kochen
Was die Chilis betrifft, kennen die Mexikaner diverse Sorten:
AnchO. das sind de trockenen scharfen roten
Mulato: etwas dunkkler, eher braune und laenger
pasilla: lange, etwa 7 inch lang, sehr Ppikant, sehr dunkle Farbe
chipotle:kleinere, meist als Pickles oder frisch, nicht ganz so scharf
morita:kleiner und dunkler als chipotle, in pickled Form meist zu haben
pequin: die kleinste, roeteste, schaerfste von allen Chiliarten.

Falls noch Fragen sind, kannst Du in mein Fach schreiben.

Gruss und gutes Kochen und Probieren, Silke

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From: Roman Stanowsky <roman@pendejo>

Diesmal ein originales !

>From: bic...@cbnewsi.att.com (The Resource, Poet-Magician of Quality)
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Subject: Re: Quick and easy "Chili" recipe
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In rec.food.cooking, Gr...@andrew.cmu.edu (Gretchen Miller) wrote on 31 May 90 16:47:49 GMT.:
> (No flames about "this isn't REALLY chili" please, I know it's not
> REALLY chili, but I don't know what else to call it)

You are really messing with fire here. Please don't take this as a
flame, but as a enhancement to your posting. :-)

You see, you've grazed over some of the most important aspects of
chili. First of all, what is this "chili powder to taste" garbage. It
took me a long time to realize (using directions like that) that chili
powder is an ingredient, not a spice! I was figuring that "to taste"
meant one, two, or three teaspoons, while in actuality, chili powder
should be added in tablespoons--I usually put in 2 1/2 T. per pound of
meat. (I use exclusively ground turkey, and yes, it does require me to
put in a teaspoon extra chili powder...)

Tomatoes and beans...yes many people put these things in their chili,
and I think that is the main reason why so many people put less than a
tablespoon of chili powder in their chili. What you are doing there is
substituting tomatoes and/or beans for chili pepper, robbing you of the
joy of true chili...I beg of you, try it once without these things and a
normal dose of chili powder! :-)

Seriously, I do put beans in, but never much tomatoes. If I expect a
timid audience, I will substitute a little tomato paste for chili
powder.

It's nice to see you using beer instead of water to cook the chili...I
just tried it and liked it. Sage? Hmmm....gonna have to get back to
you on that.

I don't find that green pepper adds much to the chili...

There are two things that can help give the chili the right
consistancy: the first is Masa Flour, which I can only find in the
prepared chili mixes. Also, if I get overzealous with the liquid and
get a soupy chili...I always have a little corn starch on hand--the
quick-and-easy cook's savior!

Hmm....I should summarize my recipe:

1 lg. Onion (chopped fine) (optional)
1 clove Garlic (minced)
1 T. Peanut Oil (if using Turkey)
1 lb. Ground Turkey (or Ground Beef)
3 T. Chili Powder
1 t. Cumin/Comino Oregano (optional)
1-2 cup Beer or Water
2 oz. Tomato Paste (if needed)
1 T. Masa Flour or Corn Starch
1/2 cup Water

With ground turkey, you fry the onion and garlic first and then when
onions are soft, add the meat; with ground beef, you fry the meat first,
remove and drain, leaving just enough fat to fry the onion and garlic,
fry the onion and garlic and then add back the drained meat.

Add the chili powder, cumin, beer or water, and tomato paste (and beans
if you want to). The mixture should be a bit soupy, not thick. Bring
to a boil and then simmer for 30 minutes.

Mix masa flour or corn starch with 1/2 cup of water until fully
dissolved. Add to simmering chili and mix well. Simmer 10 more
minutes.

Serve chili on cayenne-spiced rice, topped with grated monterey jack
cheese, sour cream and chopped scallion.


Enjoy!

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Subject: Quick and easy "Chili" recipe
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(No flames about "this isn't REALLY chili" please, I know it's not
REALLY chili, but I don't know what else to call it)

Anyhow, made this last nighty and it turned out really well, so I
figured I'd share it. I'm specifying brands for canned goods;
substitutes of fresh whatevers would probably make a better dish, and
other brands probably won't matter. It's good cold for breakfast, too.

Take:
1lb ground beef
1 medium to large onion, chopped
1 green pepper, chopped
1 16oz can kidney beans (undrained)
1 16oz can Progresso black beans (undrained)
2 16oz cans Heinz stewed tomatoes (undrained)
1/4 to 1/2 cup water
6 oz beer (I used Glacier Bay, cause that's what I had on hand)
garlic cloves to taste, crushed
1/4 tsp sage
The following spices to taste: chili powder (or its equivilent
ingredients), black pepper.

Brown the ground beef, add water, garlic, onions and green peppers,
black pepper. Cook until onions and peppers are soft, stir
occasionally. Add everything else, stir. Bring to a boil, then simmer
for at least 30 minutes. Serves four or five.

PS. Ground turkey can be used instead of ground beef, though if you use
turkey you may want to fiddle with the spices a bit.

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From: sl...@stoch.fmi.uni-passau.de (Bernd Sluka)

Nachdem ich schon immer nach Gefuehl gekocht habe und das Chili aber
schon beim ersten Versuch wunderbar geworden ist sind alle Angaben
nur ungefaehr. D.h. ein bisschen herumprobieren musst Du schon; dadurch
kannst Du es aber auch besser Deinem eigenen Geschmack anpassen.

Das ultimative Chili - Rezept:

(fuer ca. 12 Portionen, denn wenn ich mal das Kochen anfange wird's immer
viel. Das reicht fuer eine Feier oder der Rest wird portionsweise
eingefroren. Du musst also die Zutaten einfach auf Deinen Verbrauch
herunterrechnen.)

300-500g Suppenfleisch (vom Rind) mit Knochen (!) und ca 200-400g Hackfleisch
(ich nehme immer Rinderhack) mit etwas Magerine in einem Schnellkochtopf
(8 Liter) anbraten. Mit Wasser abloeschen.

500g rote und 500g weisse Bohnen waschen und dazugeben. Je nach Geschmack
kannst Du auch etwas Suppengemuese (ca. 200g) dazutun. Dann mit viel Wasser
aufgiessen, so dass die Bohnen gut bedeckt sind.

Wuerzen mit: Salz oder Fleischbruehe (Bruehwuerfel)
Knoblauch nach Geschmack (Pulver oder besser "frisch gepresst")
eine grosse Prise Zwiebelpulver
eine Prise Pfeffer
2 getrocknete Chilischoten (gibt's auf dem Viktualienmarkt)
etwas Chilipulver (damit kann man aber auch erst hinterher
nachwuerzen)
1 geh. Tl mexikanische Gewuerzmischung (zu erstezen durch: etwa
1 Tl Chilipulver bzw. eine weitere Chilischote, etwas Curry
und etwas Paprika)
2 kl. Dosen Tomatenmark
1 gr. Schuss Ketchup (only the real Heinz-Ketchup)

Umruehren (!), den Topf schliessen und 1 Stunde kochen. Dannach abkuehlen
lassen, den Topf wieder oeffnen. Suppenfleisch vom Knochen loesen und
kleingeschnitten wieder hinzufuegen. Danach mit Ketchup Salz und Chilipulver
abschmecken.

Am besten wird das Chili, wenn es jetzt mindestens 2 Stunden steht. Es dickt
dabei von selbst ein.

Guten Appetit.

Noch eine Variationsmoeglichkeit: Wenn Du die Bohnen vorher 24 Stunden in
Wasser einweichst, das Fleisch mit den Gewuerzen eine halbe Stunde vorkochst,
dann erst die Bohnen dazutust und nochmal eine halbe Stunde mitkochst
wird's noch etwas besser.

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From: w...@erebus.att.com (William Clare Stewart)
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Subject: VEGAN: Five Pepper Chili
Summary: rec.food.recipes posting
Keywords: recipe vegan
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In article <1990Aug16.1...@mthvax.cs.miami.edu> ma...@hsi.com (Mark Sicignano) writes:
]I would like some chili recipes!! Hot or mild. Beef, Chicken, Vegetarian,

Well, this is what I came up with yesterday:

CHILI WITH FIVE KINDS OF PEPPERS
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5 peppers (in this case, they were
1 big jalapeno, 2 cuban frying peppers, 1 hot hungarian,
1 long cheese pepper, and a little paprika)
1 cup dried black beans
1 cup dried pinto beans
1 cup dried kidney beans

2 onions (white and yellow?)
3 garlic cloves
tomatoes (3 big beefsteak or about 8 roma)
cumin, coriander, oregano, salt, pepper to taste
olive oil

Soak the beans overnight, then simmer until tender (1 to 2 hours)
I tend to add some seaweed while cooking
(dump in a bowl so you can use the bean pot for frying)
roast the cumin in a frying pan (optional, but valuable)
I used about 2 to 3 tsp
chop onions and garlic, saute in oil
chop peppers, saute with onion & garlic
add chopped tomatoes, cook a until soft
Add the beans, and some bean liquid
Add the spices and cook for another hour or so
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It seems to be good stuff, though a bit too hot.
The black beans and tomatoes really help give it body.
This is probably the first vege chili I've made that was *better* than
the meat chilis I used to make when I ate it, though I've had some batches that
were almost as good. Serve with good bread and/or rice.

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Subject: MEAT: Chili - A Method
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What???????

A *****RECIPE***** for Chili!!???!!?

That's absolute sacrilege!!
(I'll try to ignore the fact that you even mentioned using
a Chili Mix (?) )

You asked for suggestions for components, so I'll start from
scratch. (Don't be offended if some of the ingredients are
obvious and didn't need mentioning)

Ingredients:

Absolutely necessary stuff:

first of all, you have to start with a ROUX, if you don't know
what that is, don't bother because you'll screw it up
(HINT: ask someone from the Deep South or from France)
Lotso' beans, preferably red kidney beans
some meat, whatever kind you feel like or happen to have in your
refrigerator (usually I use hamburger because I'm a
poor student, but cubed chuck or round steak is yummy)
(Of course, this should be precooked)
Note this doesn't have to be beef, (ie chicken works,
but fish is a no no.)
tomato sauce, however much you want, depending on how runny you
like you chili
a few BULBS of garlic (not cloves, BULBS), you should be able to
smell the garlic coming out of your pores when
you sweat the next day. Usually I just peel the
cloves, chop 'em up a bit, and through them in.
lotso' Mexican chili powder, this is the stuff that's usually
kinda burgundy coloured, it's not overwhelmingly hot
and it has lots of taste. Beware of ground red
peppers, which are sometimes sold under the name
"chili powder", which are extremely hot, without much
taste
onions, enough so that your neighbours are crying when you've
finished dicing them
beer, see methodology, below

And now, the lesser spices:
It is helpful if you have a rotating spice rack to
introduce an element of randomness into your spice
selection. Otherwise, a young child may be used.

put in some of each of the green spices.
judge amounts by smell
If you have them in stock:
cilantro is nice when fresh
oregano is semi-crucial
basil is yummy
thyme is indispensible
sage is wise
rosemary is next to irrelevant
cumin is for people trapped in Germany
parsley is normally just a decoration, but
is actually edible

you may also add another other spice on the rack
which smells applicable
(ie. no ginger)

Optional veggies:
anything that has the word "pepper" in its name
ie. green bell peppers, Anaheim peppers, banana
peppers, jalapeno peppers, red bell peppers,
saltin peppers

Methodology:
1) Buy a case of beer (or a flat, depending on local slang)
2) Chill the beer
3) Invite several friends over (to cut onions, neighbours
aren't permitted, as they are required to test when
enough onions have been cut)
4a) Open some beer, at least one per person

4b) Get out a BIG pot, (BIG is more important than CLEAN)
and an old wooden spoon, both preferably obtained
at a garage sale, and not washed

If you know what a ROUX is then
5a) Start with the ROUX, then open more beer
else
5b) Open more beer

6) Add tomato sauce, beans and contents of currently active
beer to the not necessarily clean pot

7) Open more beer

8) Add the meat (not fish) that you browned in step 3b. above

9) Add the remainder of the absolutely necessary stuff
9b) Taste it

10) Let pot slowly simmer until there's no beer left
10b) Taste it
10c) After accidentally boiling over, reduce heat
10d) Homogenize chili after scraping burnt on crap of the
bottom of the pot
10e) Scrap boiled over gunk off the top of the stove, and
return to pot

11) Send the most sober person to pick up MORE beer and to
find some of the lesser spices
(Note: someone may now be adequately primed to replace
the small child, for those of you without
rotating spice racks)

12) Add lesser spices, to smell (more beer may be required
for the cooks, as well as the pot), also add
optional veggies, if you have any
12b) Taste it

13) Let pot slowly simmer until there's no beer left
13b) Taste it
13c) If necessary, repeat steps 10 c,d and e, also

14) Since you're no longer hungry, either because you're
full from tasting, or can no longer hold food down,
put the pot in the fridge
(NOTE: the original pot must be used, to maximize
the shelfspace occupied in the fridge)

15) Eat as leftovers until the original pot is empty, or
until green fuzz appears inside the pot,
heating is optional

P.S. Add salt and pepper, if necessary.
P.P.S. Remember, precision is crucial.
P.P.P.S. If you're really sick, add a bottle of Cheez-whiz
to the absolutely necessary ingredients

P.P.P.P.S. Stock up on toilet paper, IN ADVANCE.

ENJOY
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