Osurb: thoughts on changing some things

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Tony Schneider

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Apr 27, 2011, 8:36:50 PM4/27/11
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Hey everyone,

After talking with some people and gauging interest to continuing
working on Book Exchange, we are considering shelving the project for
a while and trying a new meeting format.

The project has always been about creating a realistic setting where
people could get their feet wet with Ruby on Rails. From that
perspective, I think the project has been a huge success. However,
based on the attendance and focus of recent meetings, it's obvious
that motivation to keep working on the project has steadily dropped.
The cool thing is that this is perfectly okay. We're not under
contract and no one is financially invested -- we had some fun and
maybe learned a thing or two. It's a tall order to complete a
non-trivial app that isn't for a class when contributors range in
skill-level, free time, and commitment. As a result of this, I think
the right move is to set the project aside for at least a little while
and try something new.

In its place, I'm proposing that we have weekly themed hack nights.
Before attending the meetings, members will discuss potential
languages, libraries, tools or frameworks that they'd like to hack on
for that meeting. Of course the theme is optional and hacking on the
same thing over the course of several weeks would even be encouraged.
The themes would exist purely to provide a loose structure of what
someone might hack on or research beforehand if they don't have
anything in already in mind. In addition to this, we'll have a goal of
one speaker per month. This could be a member who just has something
cool to share or a pro coming in to give an awesome talk.

There will be some challenges to this:

In order to know what people are interested in hacking on for the
week, we need to unify our communication. Currently we have a mailing
list, irc, use twitter from time to time. It seems as though currently
the mailing list is serving as a medium for announcements, and the
majority of discussion occurs in irc (#osurb). The problem is that
some people aren't on irc, and others just aren't on all that often
(which I am definitely guilty of). Should we try and have more
discussion in the mailing list? Should we try to get folks in irc?
Does it even matter?

To be a successful group, one of our main goals should be to try and
attract new folks. I'm willing to bet that a lot of the stuff we are
interested in hacking on won't be noob friendly. For example,
certainly we can't teach someone html, css, sass and haml in the same
night that we are planning to play around with compass. This is always
going to be a problem, but perhaps improved communication can give
newcomers a heads up on what they should try and get familiar with
beforehand to alleviate some setup and prerequisite knowledge issues.
We'll just have to be as accommodating as possible.

I apologize for the long winded email. Looking forward to hearing your
thoughts on this.

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Tony Schneider

Craig Muth

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Apr 27, 2011, 9:08:26 PM4/27/11
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and gauging interest to continuing working on Book Exchange, we are considering shelving the project

Pun intended?

--Craig

Tony Schneider

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Apr 27, 2011, 9:16:19 PM4/27/11
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Ha, I wish. There's few things I enjoy more than a corny pun.

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Michael Kusold

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Apr 27, 2011, 11:35:27 PM4/27/11
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I like the more topic targeted approach better. I feel like I could learn a lot more this way, especially if the topic was announced a week in advance so I could learn about the dependancies (like what haml and sass are). It would be nice to actually create something simple that uses these topics each week too.

Tony Schneider

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Apr 29, 2011, 6:52:42 PM4/29/11
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@Mike: Yeah, I totally agree. That's what we're going for :)

Although ideally we'll be doing this sooner in future meetings, let's get the conversation started about a potential theme for Tuesday.

Things I wouldn't mind hacking on:
1. Coffeescript 
2. Compass
3. Backbonejs
4. Nodejs/Express
5. Mirah/Pinda

The first 3 implying either with Rails 3 or standalone.

Thoughts?

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Andrew Grieser

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May 1, 2011, 9:41:51 PM5/1/11
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I think either 3 or 4 would make good themes for a hack night.

I'm also interested in taking a look at anything 'up-and-coming', if anyone has any suggestions.

Andrew


  I'm also interested in some of the javascript drawing libraries (such as raphaeljs), 

Ryan McGowan

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May 1, 2011, 9:44:01 PM5/1/11
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3. Nodejs
Gets my vote.

Alex Burkhart

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May 2, 2011, 12:06:09 AM5/2/11
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Ok, I'm throwing my vote in for Node.js too. As such, it might be beneficial for people to get familiar with node before Tuesday. You can get a nice introduction to the concept here: http://nodejs.org/#about

We'll want people to get it installed before Tuesday so that we won't waste any meeting time dealing with installation issues:

Installing from your favorite package manager might be simplest (though follow the other instructions from the first link): https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Installing-Node.js-via-package-manager

If you followed the instructions from the first link, you'll get npm (node package manager) installed as well as express (sinatra-for-node). Let me know if you run into problems, or better yet, stop into the irc channel #osurb and ask us there.

Here are the links for the Node API and the general Javascript API.

It might make things easy if you also sign up for a Duostack account. It's a Heroku clone for node.js (stupid-easy deployment through git) and they seem to have open signup.


Bring ideas for fun things to do with Node on Tuesday.

-Alex...

Haochi Chen

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May 2, 2011, 12:12:31 AM5/2/11
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I just got an invitation code from Duostack and I don't think I will be using it for a while, so if anyone wants it, shoot me an email.

Haochi

Tony Schneider

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May 2, 2011, 8:38:32 AM5/2/11
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I started working through the Node Beginner Book tutorial a couple weeks ago. I'm considering picking that back up Tuesday night. From the small portion I've seen, it looks pretty good.

http://nodebeginner.org

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Andrew Grieser

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May 9, 2011, 7:30:13 PM5/9/11
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Last week there was some talk about continuing with node and looking at Express (node framework) this week.  I think it would be cool to build a simple app with node, express, and some sort of socket library.

Other ideas welcome.

Andrew

Tony Schneider

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May 9, 2011, 7:55:08 PM5/9/11
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Just to remind everyone, there is a meeting this week this Tuesday @ 7pm in DL 264.

Absolutely, I think hacking on a simple node/express app would be really fun. Perhaps we could come up with an idea, split into pairs, and compare the different implementations/progress at the end of the night. As for socket libraries, I've used faye and it was really cool. I've never used socket.io, but I would like to at some point.

potential ideas:
  • todo
  • chat
  • poll for osurb hack night topics

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Alex Burkhart

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May 10, 2011, 1:53:17 AM5/10/11
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Does anyone coming tomorrow want any sort of presentation? If you think it would be useful to get some sort of presentation on an overview of Node or Express or anything. I have some time to find a presentation on slideshare and think of how to explain it. If you have a specific topic or want a general overview, I can whip something up.

If you are coming tomorrow night and think this would help you understand things, respond and I'll spend some time on it. Otherwise, I'll just start working on something javascripty.

-Alex...
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