Jingle
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Do any of you know of a Javascript based Jingle library for initiating a voice chat between two users via XMPP?
Thanks
Jack Moffitt
> voice chat between two users via XMPP?
JavaScript does not have any native multi-media or socket APIs (aside
from the nascent WebSockets proposal). This would make a
pure-JavaScript solution nearly impossible with current browsers.
You'd need some assistance from browser plugins or a plugin system
like Flash or Silverlight or ActiveX.
I do not know of anyone currently working on this.
I believe Gtalk works by using Flash for this purpose, but I haven't
actually tested it myself. I don't think I've ever seen interactive
voice or video streaming in pure JavaScript in a browser before.
jack.
Pedro Melo
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 4:03 AM, Jack Moffitt <meta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> JavaScript does not have any native multi-media or socket APIs (aside
> from the nascent WebSockets proposal). This would make a
> pure-JavaScript solution nearly impossible with current browsers.
> You'd need some assistance from browser plugins or a plugin system
> like Flash or Silverlight or ActiveX.
>
> I do not know of anyone currently working on this.
Yes. There is a <device> tag in the WHAT WG (post HTML5) that is
expected to connect to webcams and mics, and send the output over some
future protocol (last I checked an expansion of WebSockets for
low-latency binary data, whatever that means...).
But that is in the future, at the rate things are changing, I would
say 1 or 2 years :)
> I believe Gtalk works by using Flash for this purpose, but I haven't
> actually tested it myself. I don't think I've ever seen interactive
> voice or video streaming in pure JavaScript in a browser before.
Yes, GTalk uses a mixture of Flash, and Plugins (on the Mac they even
include a QuickTime component) to implement their in-browser A/V
stuff.
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Michael R. Bernstein
In *theory* the proposed extensions to HTML5 for supporting external
devices like webcams and microphones could do the trick, but even after
someone deploys a decent working implementation it would probably be a
year or two before we could expect to use these features in user-facing
apps.
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Michal Mach
maybe it's not the right place to ask, but how could one implement
audio/video
features into his web application?
I would like to use strophe for the jingle part and flash for audio/
video.
(video streaming trough red5 server)
Thanks
> voice orvideostreaming in pure JavaScript in a browser before.
>
> jack.
Jack Moffitt
> audio/video
> features into his web application?
> I would like to use strophe for the jingle part and flash for audio/
> video.
> (video streaming trough red5 server)
I suspect you'd do the negotiation in XMPP with Jingle, then pass the
media pointers to the Flash pluign which could fetch and render them.
I don't know of anything off the shelf to help you in this regard.
Flash has a limited amount of codec support, so you might be stuck
with a small subset of available codecs that you can support.
jack.
Michal Mach
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Olemis Lang
Almost two years later I'd like to know if there is any progress on
this subject . I mean, is there any (preferably open source) Jingle
addon / plugin / ... to use it on top of Strophe library ?
If not at all , then is there anybody out there working on getting
this done ?
Finally , is there anybody willing to join a (FLOSS!) project ... and
contribute with code patches ... so as to get this done ?
Looking forward to your questions hoping there is a way out of the
dark ... somewhere
Thnx in advance !
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Bob (GoCast)
webrtc is the technology you're looking for in my estimation. It's "in the works" and very open - however it isn't in any browsers natively yet. I'm part of a small group which has harnessed webrtc for use as an audio (and video - release coming later today I think) as a plugin into existing browsers. It uses Javascript to expose the connectivity and make calls etc. It allows multi-way audio/video p2p as well. The webrtc project is quite large and encompassing - and eventually our browser plug-in will be completely unnecessary, but it's a nice way to get started and understand as well as develop features that you want on top of what we've done. It's all open source btw.
The project is at www.GoCast.it
Give it a try - let us know what ya think. We're nimble and movin' fast right now. In fact, I've joined this group to better understand how we can revise (re-invent) our signalling protocol to make it so much more robust and ready for the future. The current protocol is completely based on the webrtc 'peerconnect_server' sample code which was done as a super quick way to show off connections but was in no way meant for production. So we're heading in the production direction and looking at strophe (with websockets in the future I hope) to aid in getting a lot done quickly.
Thanks!
Bob Wolff - GoCast.it
Michael
Very interesting. I hope I can give it a try anytime soon!
- Michael
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On 14 Dez., 01:22, "Bob (GoCast)" <rwo...@gocast.it> wrote:
> Hey Olemis,
>
> webrtc is the technology you're looking for in my estimation. It's "in the
> works" and very open - however it isn't in any browsers natively yet. I'm
> part of a small group which has harnessed webrtc for use as an audio (and
> video - release coming later today I think) as a plugin into existing
> browsers. It uses Javascript to expose the connectivity and make calls etc.
> It allows multi-way audio/video p2p as well. The webrtc project is quite
> large and encompassing - and eventually our browser plug-in will be
> completely unnecessary, but it's a nice way to get started and understand
> as well as develop features that you want on top of what we've done. It's
> all open source btw.
>
> The project is atwww.GoCast.it<http://www.gocast.it/?utm_source=groups&utm_medium=strophe&utm_campai...>
Michael
I'm currently trying to implement the Jingle Protocol as a Strophe
plugin because WebRTC is gaining traction.
The problem I'm facing is simply that Peer2PeerConnection is not
implemented anywhere besides the custom build of ericsson labs which
runs only on ubuntu.
So @Bob: Peer2PeerConnection would be really nice to have :)
- Michael
Olemis Lang
I'm currently trying to implement the Jingle Protocol as a Strophe
plugin because WebRTC is gaining traction.
Is the (your?) Jingle signalling code publicly available (a repository?) somewhere ?
It'd be nice to review it and participate , please share , if possible ...
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Michael
Atm not, but I'll push it asap into my github strophejs-plugins repos:
https://github.com/mweibel/strophejs-plugins
I'll notify here again.
But be aware: I didn't do a lot yet, I just built a session-initiate
using Strophe.$iq and stumbled upon the problem that I can't get my
own ip address using javascript ;)
-Michael
On 20 Dez., 15:17, Olemis Lang <ole...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Michael <michael.wei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
>
> Hi!
>
> > I'm currently trying to implement the Jingle Protocol as a Strophe
> > plugin because WebRTC is gaining traction.
>
> cool !
> Is the (your?) Jingle signalling code publicly available (a
> repository?) somewhere ?
> It'd be nice to review it and participate , please share , if possible ...
> ;)
>
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Olemis Lang
>
> Hi,
>
Hi !
>
> Atm not, but I'll push it asap into my github strophejs-plugins repos:
> https://github.com/mweibel/strophejs-plugins
>
ok thnx !
>
> I'll notify here again.
;)
>
> But be aware: I didn't do a lot yet, I just built a session-initiate
> using Strophe.$iq and stumbled upon the problem that I can't get my
> own ip address using javascript ;)
>
ok ... once you submit something , maybe (if time available ;) I'll follow
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On 20 Dez., 15:40, Olemis Lang <ole...@gmail.com> wrote:
Steffen Larsen
Heh yeah, the ip address is one problem, the other problem is the data channel. How will this be implemented?
For google talk, I think google is using a combination of javascript and flash for the signaling channel (XMPP) and the data channel (stream).
You could probably use web sockets for the data channel and other HTML5 elements for displaying the actual video stream (video tag etc), but I am not sure that it is fast and reliable enough. And how about codecs etc?… I am not trying to shoot anything down here, I am just interested in the design and how it will put together.
-Cheers!
/Steffen
Steffen Larsen
Ahhh I see.. I just stumbled upon you earlier thread in the mail.
You will be using webrtc for the data/media connection as well as the codecs? I notice that VP8 codec and even jitter buffer is enabled and accessible from the webrtc api. Thats nice.
Do you know which browsers that are currently supported? I see also that transport such as ICE and multiplexing is supported here. But if that is supported it should also be able to extract your local ip address and negotiate the network stuff for you (through ICE).
-Cheers
/Steffen
On Dec 20, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Michael wrote:
Michael
Yeah it's also a little bit in the stars for me at the moment. But as
you said it should be possible using webrtc (and the
Peer2PeerConnection class). There I hope I can extract the IP/Port,
too.
About the browsers: Well Ericsson Labs has published some code which
should work with Ubuntu. But I don't have ubuntu atm (only in
virtualbox and virtualbox doesn't support webcams) so I can't test it.
Also gocast.it has some implementation although I don't know how far
they're yet.
Chrome is doing some effort in supporting webrtc, too (I think they'll
use it for Gtalk/G+ too).
Last but not least, Opera Labs has given a downloadable Opera build
which supports cross-plattform audio/video (webcam) streaming. But
afaik not peer2peer connection until now.
- Michael
Olemis Lang
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:17 AM, Michael <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
>
> About the browsers: Well Ericsson Labs has published some code which
> should work with Ubuntu. But I don't have ubuntu atm (only in
> virtualbox and virtualbox doesn't support webcams) so I can't test it.
JFTR , in my laptop Virtualbox detects built-in webcam as a USB device
... the same should happen if you use a real USB webcam .
;)
PS: NIce to see the what's happened after pulling the trigger
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>
>
> JFTR , in my laptop Virtualbox detects built-in webcam as a USB device
> ... the same should happen if you use a real USB webcam .
hm ok. maybe it's just macbook webcams which don't work.. but I'll give it another try :)
> ;)
>
> PS: NIce to see the what's happened after pulling the trigger
> :)
> I'll join you ASAIC
Nice :)
- Michael
Michael Weibel
a small update: I figured out how to get the candidates required for jingle session-initiate using a STUN/TURN server, which is supported by the WebRTC API of the custom Epiphany build of Ericsson labs :)
Check out the source on github: https://github.com/mweibel/strophejs-plugins/tree/jingle
Cheers
Michael
Michael Weibel
Hello Michael, do you have any sample on how to test this plugin?
Thanks in advance,
Lucas Ces
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