Pet Peeves. Ninjas and Drunks
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EzzyB
Oct 27, 2010, 7:55:51 AM10/27/10
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OK I'm gonna rant I guess. Two things in SOL stories that are really
pissing me off now. Mainly because they are so overused.
The first, KARATE MASTAH! Yeah you know him. He's just your ordinary
guy who has been studying martial arts since he was three months old.
He protects his girlfriend, her girlfriend, his mother, and the
neighbors daughter all with his l33t skilz. Anyone else tired of
this?
The next one. OK someone needs to die. Bring in the drunk driver!
Whoohooo!, every author's solution to killing off someone. I know
it's a problem, but every author seems to make it a solution to their
character's problem to, you know, still be alive. I'm so tired of the
whole 'drunk driver killed my parents, sister, brother, grandma' thing
it's making me sick. It's generally enhanced when a judge let him go
and it's his second or third offense.
I swear half the SOL authors are card carrying members of MADD.
/rant
EzzyB
pissing me off now. Mainly because they are so overused.
The first, KARATE MASTAH! Yeah you know him. He's just your ordinary
guy who has been studying martial arts since he was three months old.
He protects his girlfriend, her girlfriend, his mother, and the
neighbors daughter all with his l33t skilz. Anyone else tired of
this?
The next one. OK someone needs to die. Bring in the drunk driver!
Whoohooo!, every author's solution to killing off someone. I know
it's a problem, but every author seems to make it a solution to their
character's problem to, you know, still be alive. I'm so tired of the
whole 'drunk driver killed my parents, sister, brother, grandma' thing
it's making me sick. It's generally enhanced when a judge let him go
and it's his second or third offense.
I swear half the SOL authors are card carrying members of MADD.
/rant
EzzyB
Deadly Ernest
Oct 27, 2010, 8:30:03 AM10/27/10
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Some of us use the drunk driver because it happens a lot in real life,
and it's a simple way to remove more than one at a time. Some of us
are especially pissed off with drunk drivers through having lost
family due to being killed by drunk drivers. But hey, I recently added
the collapsing mall walk to my way of having people killed in an urban
area.
And the martial arts expert is no worse than the gun expert who shoots
the bad guys all over the place.
and it's a simple way to remove more than one at a time. Some of us
are especially pissed off with drunk drivers through having lost
family due to being killed by drunk drivers. But hey, I recently added
the collapsing mall walk to my way of having people killed in an urban
area.
And the martial arts expert is no worse than the gun expert who shoots
the bad guys all over the place.
Deadly Ernest
Oct 27, 2010, 8:30:37 AM10/27/10
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Forgot to add, a lot will depend on how much of the story is taken up
with the two peeves, too.
with the two peeves, too.
Zine
Oct 27, 2010, 9:11:41 AM10/27/10
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Ezzy,
I think you complained about death by drunk driver before.
As in real life, I try not to kill people. It's just as easy to have
them run away.
In this one story, the girl falls in love with her saddle. Mom
started noticing all the crunchy undies and cut her horseback riding
down to just Saturdays. Naturally, in frustration, the girl elopes
with her saddle. Although she can balance the thing pretty good on a
small boulder and get the right motion going, she's running away
nowhere fast because the darn thing's so heavy, so she goes back and
kidnaps the horse, who is better than any boulder could ever be, to
make a quicker get-a-way. Then, of course, she discovers that a
horse's dong makes a pretty good shower attachment, not to mention all
the way cool acne cream. It's amazing the kinds of things people
uninhibited by freedom and with too time on their hands will get into.
Zine
I think you complained about death by drunk driver before.
As in real life, I try not to kill people. It's just as easy to have
them run away.
In this one story, the girl falls in love with her saddle. Mom
started noticing all the crunchy undies and cut her horseback riding
down to just Saturdays. Naturally, in frustration, the girl elopes
with her saddle. Although she can balance the thing pretty good on a
small boulder and get the right motion going, she's running away
nowhere fast because the darn thing's so heavy, so she goes back and
kidnaps the horse, who is better than any boulder could ever be, to
make a quicker get-a-way. Then, of course, she discovers that a
horse's dong makes a pretty good shower attachment, not to mention all
the way cool acne cream. It's amazing the kinds of things people
uninhibited by freedom and with too time on their hands will get into.
Zine
bondi beach
Oct 27, 2010, 9:40:59 AM10/27/10
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On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 4:55 AM, EzzyB <ez...@storiesonline.org> wrote:
The next one. OK someone needs to die. Bring in the drunk driver!
Well, there's always the old reliable cancer thing. Kills off a lot of people, certainly people I know, and most people know someone who died of it.
bb
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BikeWriter
Oct 27, 2010, 11:17:51 AM10/27/10
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Hmm, my youngest son died at the hands of a driver under the influence
of drugs, himself! Hell, I had predicted that any number of times.
of drugs, himself! Hell, I had predicted that any number of times.
Switch Blayde
Oct 27, 2010, 11:22:43 AM10/27/10
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I never read a story with a karate mastah on SOL so I don't know how prevalent they are. I don't even remember seeing one and bypassing it. So how common can it be?
As to a drunk driver killing someone, well, yeah. Maybe even more frequent is cancer. But if you want the person(s) to die young, it's a pretty believable way to kill them off.
Switch
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> Subject: Pet Peeves. Ninjas and Drunks
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As to a drunk driver killing someone, well, yeah. Maybe even more frequent is cancer. But if you want the person(s) to die young, it's a pretty believable way to kill them off.
Switch
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> Subject: Pet Peeves. Ninjas and Drunks
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massivereader
Oct 27, 2010, 12:34:55 PM10/27/10
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Likely the reason "killed by a drunk driver" as a McGuffin to
eliminate a particular character that has become unecessary or
inconvienient is so popular is that you needn't futz around with the
character's developement before killing them off. They are just
driving along like normal, then: Smash! they're gone. None of the long
heart-wrenching leading-up-to-death scenes (that tend to distract from
the main plot) that cancer or some other disease would require, no
need for painting the character with traits that forshadow their death
through misadventure, or the trauma and story diversion that death as
being a victim of nearly any other crime would require. No major
predators still around, so you can't have them eaten by a lion or
killed by a bear or wolves, right? Unless it's fantasy, then you can
use a dragon, werewolf, vamp or other supernatural beastie...
And it's a lot more believable than getting struck by lightning, or
hit by a meteorite (unleass you're in a spaceship) would be.
Hmmm... Maybe they should be using a falling tree branch, or high
tension wire?
John
eliminate a particular character that has become unecessary or
inconvienient is so popular is that you needn't futz around with the
character's developement before killing them off. They are just
driving along like normal, then: Smash! they're gone. None of the long
heart-wrenching leading-up-to-death scenes (that tend to distract from
the main plot) that cancer or some other disease would require, no
need for painting the character with traits that forshadow their death
through misadventure, or the trauma and story diversion that death as
being a victim of nearly any other crime would require. No major
predators still around, so you can't have them eaten by a lion or
killed by a bear or wolves, right? Unless it's fantasy, then you can
use a dragon, werewolf, vamp or other supernatural beastie...
And it's a lot more believable than getting struck by lightning, or
hit by a meteorite (unleass you're in a spaceship) would be.
Hmmm... Maybe they should be using a falling tree branch, or high
tension wire?
John
Wes
Oct 27, 2010, 1:13:05 PM10/27/10
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Perhaps the drunk driver bit is a little overused, but it really
happens. But there are other stupidities that could be used without
having to do much characer development, such as the senior citizen
with bad eyesight, bad reflexes, and busy talking with someone who
runs a red light. That happened in this town just the other day. Or it
could be someone texting or yapping on a cell phone while driving.
Same thing -- I just missed a gal doing that while making a left turn
the other day, and she never even noticed that she'd almost gotten
rammed.
As far as the ninjas go, though, I have to agree -- and I've been
guilty of it myself. But I can really get bored with the ex-special
forces/black ops guys that have all sorts of nasty skills and
connections. And, I'll admit to being a little guilty of that myself,
but not to the degree I've seen it used.
-- Wes
happens. But there are other stupidities that could be used without
having to do much characer development, such as the senior citizen
with bad eyesight, bad reflexes, and busy talking with someone who
runs a red light. That happened in this town just the other day. Or it
could be someone texting or yapping on a cell phone while driving.
Same thing -- I just missed a gal doing that while making a left turn
the other day, and she never even noticed that she'd almost gotten
rammed.
As far as the ninjas go, though, I have to agree -- and I've been
guilty of it myself. But I can really get bored with the ex-special
forces/black ops guys that have all sorts of nasty skills and
connections. And, I'll admit to being a little guilty of that myself,
but not to the degree I've seen it used.
-- Wes
Islador
Oct 27, 2010, 1:47:40 PM10/27/10
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While I agree with some of your points in your rant, I think most of
the issue is a case of "Generational Gapitis". The adolescent wish
fulfillment stories of current contributors with their martial arts
'l33t skilz' hero are no different than the 'Billy Six-gun Badass'
standing in the middle of the street at high-noon facing off the 'Man-
in-the-White-Hat' of an earlier era. The same goes for the 'drunk
driver killed my family' plot device as opposed to 'Jimmy fell off his
horse when a rattle snake spooked it and broke his neck' of a Zane
Grey novel.
Not every author takes the time to build a clever way to kill off
someone, even in main-stream dead tree books that we pay for, as
opposed to the budding amateur learning to do better (hopefully, that
is) on a free site like SOL.
That's my shiny nickel's worth of pompous opinion.
Cheers,
Islador
the issue is a case of "Generational Gapitis". The adolescent wish
fulfillment stories of current contributors with their martial arts
'l33t skilz' hero are no different than the 'Billy Six-gun Badass'
standing in the middle of the street at high-noon facing off the 'Man-
in-the-White-Hat' of an earlier era. The same goes for the 'drunk
driver killed my family' plot device as opposed to 'Jimmy fell off his
horse when a rattle snake spooked it and broke his neck' of a Zane
Grey novel.
Not every author takes the time to build a clever way to kill off
someone, even in main-stream dead tree books that we pay for, as
opposed to the budding amateur learning to do better (hopefully, that
is) on a free site like SOL.
That's my shiny nickel's worth of pompous opinion.
Cheers,
Islador
Switch Blayde
Oct 27, 2010, 3:35:31 PM10/27/10
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> same goes for the 'drunk driver killed my family' plot device as opposed to 'Jimmy fell off his
> horse when a rattle snake spooked it and broke his neck' of a Zane Grey novel.
> horse when a rattle snake spooked it and broke his neck' of a Zane Grey novel.
I guess Zane could have been more original. His horse could have been drunk and passed out, pinning the man under him. Then a rattle snake could have struck.
> Not every author takes the time to build a clever way to kill off someone
To go back to what John said, if it is not important how the character died, but that he needed to get dead, then you surely don't want to elaborate on the death. It's like the sin of showing when telling is better. And what's good about a car accident, with a drunk driver or not, is that it's instant and can get rid of multiple characters at the same time -- such as both parents of a young child.
Switch
Switch
Deadly Ernest
Oct 27, 2010, 4:11:52 PM10/27/10
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Very true Switch.
The three big advantages of the drunk driver, well in the case of my
latest story where I use the DD, is that you get to:
1. Kill more than one person at once with ease - in Finding Home it's
the other six members of his family - all gone in a flash.
2. You can do it so quick and easy.
3. It's very easy to do off screen and at any time in the story,
making it for a quick start.
On a related issue, in another story I have two characters fried by
lightening in the opening pages to get rid of them and set an dramatic
start to the story.
Ernest
The three big advantages of the drunk driver, well in the case of my
latest story where I use the DD, is that you get to:
1. Kill more than one person at once with ease - in Finding Home it's
the other six members of his family - all gone in a flash.
2. You can do it so quick and easy.
3. It's very easy to do off screen and at any time in the story,
making it for a quick start.
On a related issue, in another story I have two characters fried by
lightening in the opening pages to get rid of them and set an dramatic
start to the story.
Ernest
Islador
Oct 27, 2010, 4:16:10 PM10/27/10
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On Oct 27, 2:35 pm, Switch Blayde <switch_bla...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I guess Zane could have been more original. His horse could have been drunk and passed out, pinning the man under him. Then a rattle snake could have struck.
the horse had eaten some 'locoweed' that then tossed the rider into a
nest of rattlesnakes. So there were variations of the theme.
> To go back to what John said, if it is not important how the character died, but that he needed to get dead, then you surely don't want to elaborate on the death. It's like the sin of showing when telling is better. And what's good about a car accident, with a drunk driver or not, is that it's instant and can get rid of multiple characters at the same time -- such as both parents of a young child.
culpability of the perpetrator is most likely to be construed as
social commentary as opposed to just a simple plot device to off a
family of six in the quintessential family truckster. If you need to
have a bare-bones simple method, why not use mechanical failure to
denote the cause? The front tire of an 18-wheeler blows out, driver
loses control and "KABAM!", stainless steel table for six, no
waiting. No real fault, no social commentary to cloud the issue, and
you still have a no-strings attached method for offing multiple
characters.
Cheers,
Islador
Serena J
Oct 27, 2010, 4:42:20 PM10/27/10
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BW-
My sympathies for your loss.
SJ
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My sympathies for your loss.
SJ
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Serena J
Oct 27, 2010, 4:50:19 PM10/27/10
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As to Karate masters: I have a few martial artists but no 'masters' because I totally agree that's it's both overused and over the top.
As to drunk drivers: yeah it is easy to pull one out for a convenient random death. Actually, heart attack is my preferred culprit. I have started looking for more unique ways. Chicken pox worked well for killing a young girl's mother in one story - so tragic.
SJ
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As to drunk drivers: yeah it is easy to pull one out for a convenient random death. Actually, heart attack is my preferred culprit. I have started looking for more unique ways. Chicken pox worked well for killing a young girl's mother in one story - so tragic.
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Grampa
Oct 27, 2010, 5:16:54 PM10/27/10
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More real life examples:
Car following an 18-wheeler; trailer tire sheds its tread (those big
chunks of tire rubber you see lying along the freeway lanes are called
'alligators' in trucker slang). Sometimes its the entire tread in one
big chunk, the result of a recap coming loose from an under-inflated,
over-heated tire. All moving together at 65+ mph, the tread goes
through the windshield of the following car and 'offs' the driver/
passenger. This happened to a state trooper.
Another favorite is the gang of kids dropping rocks or concrete chunks
or bowling balls off a freeway overpass onto cars below. In Chicago, a
suicide jumper offed himself by jumping off the overpass into the
front of an 18-wheeler. It was a new driver behind the wheel of the
truck. He quit and never drove again.
Half-stoned young woman driver decides her sweater is too warm; she
tries to squirm out of it while driving. Her girl-friend in front seat
is helping; they oversteer into on-coming lane. Two people die. This
happened here on our peaceful little island. Drugs and gun found in
her car.
Environmentalist/tree-hugger type driving along a rural mountainside
highway. Wild turkey hen flushes and flies into path of car. Wham.
Windshield explodes, driver loses control, crashes down mountainside.
My personal favorite: many years ago in eastern Utah, drunken men from
the local reservation would walk home after bar closing hours to their
remote cabin. Man driving fails to see staggering drunk in road;
impact dismembers drunk. Upper half comes through windshield into lap
of wife. She needed lots and lots of psych counseling afterward.
Another eastern Utah story: local high school star athlete driving
home in open jeep from day of sun and fun at local reservoir . Dozes
off, runs into wide and shallow borrow pit at road edge. Jeep bumps
into driveway fill/culvert, young jock is ejected and somersaults
through air, landing head first on a rock on other side of driveway.
Ascends to meet the angels.
Family travels in personal airplane. California father ignores local
airport advice about limiting fuel weight to climb high mountain
range. Arrogantly demands full fuel tanks. Ignores further advice to
circle the valley several times to gain altitude before attempting to
cross mountain range. Plane soon after becomes disposable brush hog,
clipping aspen trees in long, descending swath before impacting
mountainside. Four family members plus family dog gone. That was my
first newspaper photo/story.
Happy Halloween
=GB=
Car following an 18-wheeler; trailer tire sheds its tread (those big
chunks of tire rubber you see lying along the freeway lanes are called
'alligators' in trucker slang). Sometimes its the entire tread in one
big chunk, the result of a recap coming loose from an under-inflated,
over-heated tire. All moving together at 65+ mph, the tread goes
through the windshield of the following car and 'offs' the driver/
passenger. This happened to a state trooper.
Another favorite is the gang of kids dropping rocks or concrete chunks
or bowling balls off a freeway overpass onto cars below. In Chicago, a
suicide jumper offed himself by jumping off the overpass into the
front of an 18-wheeler. It was a new driver behind the wheel of the
truck. He quit and never drove again.
Half-stoned young woman driver decides her sweater is too warm; she
tries to squirm out of it while driving. Her girl-friend in front seat
is helping; they oversteer into on-coming lane. Two people die. This
happened here on our peaceful little island. Drugs and gun found in
her car.
Environmentalist/tree-hugger type driving along a rural mountainside
highway. Wild turkey hen flushes and flies into path of car. Wham.
Windshield explodes, driver loses control, crashes down mountainside.
My personal favorite: many years ago in eastern Utah, drunken men from
the local reservation would walk home after bar closing hours to their
remote cabin. Man driving fails to see staggering drunk in road;
impact dismembers drunk. Upper half comes through windshield into lap
of wife. She needed lots and lots of psych counseling afterward.
Another eastern Utah story: local high school star athlete driving
home in open jeep from day of sun and fun at local reservoir . Dozes
off, runs into wide and shallow borrow pit at road edge. Jeep bumps
into driveway fill/culvert, young jock is ejected and somersaults
through air, landing head first on a rock on other side of driveway.
Ascends to meet the angels.
Family travels in personal airplane. California father ignores local
airport advice about limiting fuel weight to climb high mountain
range. Arrogantly demands full fuel tanks. Ignores further advice to
circle the valley several times to gain altitude before attempting to
cross mountain range. Plane soon after becomes disposable brush hog,
clipping aspen trees in long, descending swath before impacting
mountainside. Four family members plus family dog gone. That was my
first newspaper photo/story.
Happy Halloween
=GB=
Bad Fred
Oct 27, 2010, 5:57:43 PM10/27/10
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Heh. Plus your average "karate master" is a total wuss who would get wrecked by a real boxer or wrestler in a heartbeat!
:)
What? Wrong forum? This isn't Bullshido?
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:)
What? Wrong forum? This isn't Bullshido?
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Serena J <ser...@genxorcist.com> wrote:
As to Karate masters: I have a few martial artists but no 'masters' because I totally agree that's it's both overused and over the top.
As to drunk drivers: yeah it is easy to pull one out for a convenient random death. Actually, heart attack is my preferred culprit. I have started looking for more unique ways. Chicken pox worked well for killing a young girl's mother in one story - so tragic.
BadFred
Read my stories: http://www.asstr.org/~badfred/
Islador
Oct 27, 2010, 6:50:41 PM10/27/10
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Right. This is where you can pick up the interesting plot device
where "Truth is stranger than fiction" heading.
On Oct 27, 4:16 pm, Grampa <g...@graybyrd.com> wrote:
> More real life examples:
fact that while men get into more accidents, women are the cause of
them.
>
> Environmentalist/tree-hugger type driving along a rural mountainside
> highway. Wild turkey hen flushes and flies into path of car. Wham.
> Windshield explodes, driver loses control, crashes down mountainside.
>
That's just funny. Irony AND justice served by the universe.
Depending on the area, many wild animals are the cause of fatal
accidents--in Alaska getting beheaded by driving under a moose
spanning the road has happened more than once.
If I need a unique way to kill a character I go to the "Darwin Awards"
website and just peruse the winners and those that almost succeeded in
making the list. As for personal favorite, mine comes from a tiny
little town in Nebraska, where a drunk (I know--but it's true he was
fucking loaded to the gills); flying his ultralite during a high
school football game, tried to show off and pile-drived it into the
ground on the sidelines. Nobody was killed, but I've often thought of
throwing that into a story to kill the hero (but secretly a gay-
bashing bully) quarterback and his smarmy big-titted vacuous
cheerleader girlfriend. But I can't make myself write a high school
hero story, so I'll toss this one out as a freebie.
Cheers,
Islador
where "Truth is stranger than fiction" heading.
On Oct 27, 4:16 pm, Grampa <g...@graybyrd.com> wrote:
> More real life examples:
> Half-stoned young woman driver decides her sweater is too warm; she
> tries to squirm out of it while driving. Her girl-friend in front seat
> is helping; they oversteer into on-coming lane. Two people die. This
> happened here on our peaceful little island. Drugs and gun found in
> her car.
Was she blond? It's one of those statistical trends that point to the
> tries to squirm out of it while driving. Her girl-friend in front seat
> is helping; they oversteer into on-coming lane. Two people die. This
> happened here on our peaceful little island. Drugs and gun found in
> her car.
fact that while men get into more accidents, women are the cause of
them.
>
> Environmentalist/tree-hugger type driving along a rural mountainside
> highway. Wild turkey hen flushes and flies into path of car. Wham.
> Windshield explodes, driver loses control, crashes down mountainside.
>
Depending on the area, many wild animals are the cause of fatal
accidents--in Alaska getting beheaded by driving under a moose
spanning the road has happened more than once.
If I need a unique way to kill a character I go to the "Darwin Awards"
website and just peruse the winners and those that almost succeeded in
making the list. As for personal favorite, mine comes from a tiny
little town in Nebraska, where a drunk (I know--but it's true he was
fucking loaded to the gills); flying his ultralite during a high
school football game, tried to show off and pile-drived it into the
ground on the sidelines. Nobody was killed, but I've often thought of
throwing that into a story to kill the hero (but secretly a gay-
bashing bully) quarterback and his smarmy big-titted vacuous
cheerleader girlfriend. But I can't make myself write a high school
hero story, so I'll toss this one out as a freebie.
Cheers,
Islador
Bad Fred
Oct 27, 2010, 7:25:16 PM10/27/10
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In my current thing, I have a character, a "niece", whose parents I'd like out of the way. Simple, mother died young from disease, father is a junkie in and out of jail. Easy peasy.
bondi beach
Oct 27, 2010, 7:36:52 PM10/27/10
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On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Bad Fred <badf...@gmail.com> wrote:
In my current thing, I have a character, a "niece", whose parents I'd like out of the way. Simple, mother died young from disease, father is a junkie in and out of jail. Easy peasy.
[Warning---Stupid writing advice alert]
Aren't we all kind of missing the point (OK, *another* point in addition to having fun with real and not-so-real scenarios)? If the point is *only* to get rid of a character, it doesn't really matter how or why he or she bit the dust. (Dirty Harry's wife, you will recall, was killed by a drunk driver. Harry says it had no meaning. Perhaps not, except to make him appear more taciturn and unfeeling, er, more like Clint Eastwood, I mean.)
The more interesting part is the effect it had on the surviving characters. If the deceased was important in their lives, how it happened probably mattered. Perhaps the death sparked revenge thoughts? (Think "Death Wish.") Perhaps it involved performing nasty surgical operations on ferrets? Who knows?
bb
Bad Fred
Oct 27, 2010, 7:54:57 PM10/27/10
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Poor ferrets. They die so young.
(For those who don't know, ferrets sold in the US tend to be wildly overbred and are very susceptible to a couple of cancers that hit around age four, adrenal disease and insulinoma. It seems about half of them get sick at that age. Adrenal disease sucks, but is manageable. Insulinoma kills in a very horrible way. I mean, it sucks, sucks, sucks. Otherwise, they'll live to be about 8-10. Poor ferrets. Poor, poor ferrets.)
(For those who don't know, ferrets sold in the US tend to be wildly overbred and are very susceptible to a couple of cancers that hit around age four, adrenal disease and insulinoma. It seems about half of them get sick at that age. Adrenal disease sucks, but is manageable. Insulinoma kills in a very horrible way. I mean, it sucks, sucks, sucks. Otherwise, they'll live to be about 8-10. Poor ferrets. Poor, poor ferrets.)
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:36 PM, bondi beach <bondi.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
[Warning---Stupid writing advice alert]
Aren't we all kind of missing the point (OK, *another* point in addition to having fun with real and not-so-real scenarios)? If the point is *only* to get rid of a character, it doesn't really matter how or why he or she bit the dust. (Dirty Harry's wife, you will recall, was killed by a drunk driver. Harry says it had no meaning. Perhaps not, except to make him appear more taciturn and unfeeling, er, more like Clint Eastwood, I mean.)
The more interesting part is the effect it had on the surviving characters. If the deceased was important in their lives, how it happened probably mattered. Perhaps the death sparked revenge thoughts? (Think "Death Wish.") Perhaps it involved performing nasty surgical operations on ferrets? Who knows?
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rache
Oct 27, 2010, 10:35:32 PM10/27/10
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I think people are entitled to pet peeves, so long as they're fed,
well-groomed, and on a leash.
I have a lot to say on the subject of ninja characters, but I've
expressed it better in some of my stories probably. Suffice to say the
problem isn't with characters, but with writers and that holds to true
in all circumstances.
And of course, some people just don't like kung-fu :)
On a weird coincidental note, I got this in an email yesterday:
>>I've also done martial arts(specifically focused on
>>japanese sword/unarmed work of the more useful
>>varieties) for the past 26 years, so I have an
>>understanding of the detail you try to put in your
>> combat scenes. Fuchida for example.
I wrote the guy back yesterday and said this:
The martial arts stuff was a real pain to write into the story, Miss
Fuchida's character, because I never karate chopped anything in my
life. I'm completely ignorant, so I ended up looking all kinds of
stuff up on the internet, but translating the information into
something I can put in a story was surprisingly difficult. I guess I
basically had a vocabulary and a bare minimum understanding, but no
idea how to apply it in a natural, creative way that sold the
character - not the jargon...Anyway, that stuff is hard to write, so
I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
====
Blah...I like ninja characters, what can I say? Especially the hot
over-the-top lesbian ones with possessed swords and teenage vampire
girlfriends bent on getting even with God. The kick me.
rache
well-groomed, and on a leash.
I have a lot to say on the subject of ninja characters, but I've
expressed it better in some of my stories probably. Suffice to say the
problem isn't with characters, but with writers and that holds to true
in all circumstances.
And of course, some people just don't like kung-fu :)
On a weird coincidental note, I got this in an email yesterday:
>>I've also done martial arts(specifically focused on
>>japanese sword/unarmed work of the more useful
>>varieties) for the past 26 years, so I have an
>>understanding of the detail you try to put in your
>> combat scenes. Fuchida for example.
I wrote the guy back yesterday and said this:
The martial arts stuff was a real pain to write into the story, Miss
Fuchida's character, because I never karate chopped anything in my
life. I'm completely ignorant, so I ended up looking all kinds of
stuff up on the internet, but translating the information into
something I can put in a story was surprisingly difficult. I guess I
basically had a vocabulary and a bare minimum understanding, but no
idea how to apply it in a natural, creative way that sold the
character - not the jargon...Anyway, that stuff is hard to write, so
I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
====
Blah...I like ninja characters, what can I say? Especially the hot
over-the-top lesbian ones with possessed swords and teenage vampire
girlfriends bent on getting even with God. The kick me.
rache
BikeWriter
Oct 28, 2010, 12:16:49 AM10/28/10
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I do have a martial arts master in my "Worshiping Miki" but he is only
the father in law in this story. Your rant is more fitted to my
"Booger Red" tale in which my main character is Airborne and
hospitalizes an abusive husband with a single kick upside his head.
the father in law in this story. Your rant is more fitted to my
"Booger Red" tale in which my main character is Airborne and
hospitalizes an abusive husband with a single kick upside his head.
BikeWriter
Oct 28, 2010, 12:22:15 AM10/28/10
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Thank you, Ma'am. Young ones should heed their parents warnings more
often. They might live longer.
often. They might live longer.
Rewdius
Oct 28, 2010, 12:25:16 AM10/28/10
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EzzyB wrote:
> The next one. OK someone needs to die. Bring in the drunk driver!
> Whoohooo!, every author's solution to killing off someone. I know
> it's a problem, but every author seems to make it a solution to their
> character's problem to, you know, still be alive. I'm so tired of the
> whole 'drunk driver killed my parents, sister, brother, grandma' thing
> it's making me sick. It's generally enhanced when a judge let him go
> and it's his second or third offense.
>
> I swear half the SOL authors are card carrying members of MADD.
Sometimes people just *need* to hate someone, and a person who chooses
> The next one. OK someone needs to die. Bring in the drunk driver!
> Whoohooo!, every author's solution to killing off someone. I know
> it's a problem, but every author seems to make it a solution to their
> character's problem to, you know, still be alive. I'm so tired of the
> whole 'drunk driver killed my parents, sister, brother, grandma' thing
> it's making me sick. It's generally enhanced when a judge let him go
> and it's his second or third offense.
>
> I swear half the SOL authors are card carrying members of MADD.
to take someone else's life at the controls of a one ton killing
machine is an easy mechanism. It's also too common, so people can
relate to it without any suspension of disbelief.
There are more than one of those alcohol-unintelligent people in a
number of my works, but for good reason. Drunk drivers kill people,
and usually not themselves, unless the rest of us are lucky.
I've lost a number of friends, a girlfriend, and more than one
relative to someone who chose to imbibe and get behind the wheel.
I've even received notes from readers who've lost loved ones to that
sort of situation, and have a friend down-under who lost his 18 year
old daughter just like that; we write to each other and commisserate
about lost daughters.
I hate the thought of a person with that sense of carelessness or lack
of concern for their fellow man. No, I'm not a card carrying member,
but I could be if I wanted to wave a banner for an innocent victim's
lost life.
There are other examples of this sort of hatred, if you look closely
enough.
E.
Argon
Oct 28, 2010, 1:02:17 AM10/28/10
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Ezzy, I have to concur. The mystical DD is a heavily overused cliché
in stories. It gets to the point where I give a story extra points for
creativity when a supporting character dies from other causes. In
Kansas, let a twister do the job; in the Rockies, a patch of ice on an
otherwise clear road makes for a culprit-less exit. A congenital heart
failure, a brain aneurism, an anaphylactic shock after a bee sting can
all remove a character quickly. I used blood poisoning once, still
common, nobody's fault.
As for the Karate Kid, that's a common adolescent fantasy. Kids dream
of this to get away from their harassed lives. Join a Dojo, find a
kindly sensei who will also have the military/police background to
help when the story gets really nasty. The reality is, to learn the
skills and to gain the physical prowess to profit from the training in
a street fight, you have to spend years practising hard. No flabby boy
or girl will turn into Jet Li over the summer break. And yes, working
out to gain a more imposing physique also takes a lot of time, unless
you use Instant-Arnold from a pill bottle, but then, other parts of
your physique may become less imposing :o)
I spent two years in a Karate Dojo when I was eighteen, and I still
remember the local Black Belt when he explained the benefits of his
art in a street fighting situation: "You gain physical fitness here;
use it to run away from any fight!"
Of course, in our world of fantasies and fiction, that is just not
possible, especially when our heroes/heroines have to stand up for
their sweet hearts or friends. Therefore, our young heroes and
heroines will continue to stun their schools' bullies with flawlessly
executed round kicks and kites, all for the benefit of bringing hero
and damsel together. We're in the fantasy business, after all.
Argon
in stories. It gets to the point where I give a story extra points for
creativity when a supporting character dies from other causes. In
Kansas, let a twister do the job; in the Rockies, a patch of ice on an
otherwise clear road makes for a culprit-less exit. A congenital heart
failure, a brain aneurism, an anaphylactic shock after a bee sting can
all remove a character quickly. I used blood poisoning once, still
common, nobody's fault.
As for the Karate Kid, that's a common adolescent fantasy. Kids dream
of this to get away from their harassed lives. Join a Dojo, find a
kindly sensei who will also have the military/police background to
help when the story gets really nasty. The reality is, to learn the
skills and to gain the physical prowess to profit from the training in
a street fight, you have to spend years practising hard. No flabby boy
or girl will turn into Jet Li over the summer break. And yes, working
out to gain a more imposing physique also takes a lot of time, unless
you use Instant-Arnold from a pill bottle, but then, other parts of
your physique may become less imposing :o)
I spent two years in a Karate Dojo when I was eighteen, and I still
remember the local Black Belt when he explained the benefits of his
art in a street fighting situation: "You gain physical fitness here;
use it to run away from any fight!"
Of course, in our world of fantasies and fiction, that is just not
possible, especially when our heroes/heroines have to stand up for
their sweet hearts or friends. Therefore, our young heroes and
heroines will continue to stun their schools' bullies with flawlessly
executed round kicks and kites, all for the benefit of bringing hero
and damsel together. We're in the fantasy business, after all.
Argon
TheDarkKnight
Oct 28, 2010, 8:13:40 AM10/28/10
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I "killed" my wife in one of my semi-autobiographical stories by way
of a stroke. I hated to do it, but she just had to go if the plot was
going to go forward. It isn't always easy being us.
of a stroke. I hated to do it, but she just had to go if the plot was
going to go forward. It isn't always easy being us.
massivereader
Oct 28, 2010, 8:23:14 AM10/28/10
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Yeah, unfortunately, despite all the publicity generated by MADD and
such, drinking is still involved in nearly half of traffic fatalities
(about 45% - down from 57% in the eighties - according to this guy
http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/causes.html) followed by driver fatigue
at about 25%. Mechanical failures rate pretty low. Cell phone use is
an up and coming cause of accidents, in the last statistics I remember
(from about three years ago) aprox. 1/3 of traffic accidents involved
cell phone use. I've not seen any statistics in regards to cell phones
and traffic fatalities.
The link above has a lot of stats listed. Suprisingly, accidental
poisoning rates are fairly high as an accidental a cause of mortality.
John
such, drinking is still involved in nearly half of traffic fatalities
(about 45% - down from 57% in the eighties - according to this guy
http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/causes.html) followed by driver fatigue
at about 25%. Mechanical failures rate pretty low. Cell phone use is
an up and coming cause of accidents, in the last statistics I remember
(from about three years ago) aprox. 1/3 of traffic accidents involved
cell phone use. I've not seen any statistics in regards to cell phones
and traffic fatalities.
The link above has a lot of stats listed. Suprisingly, accidental
poisoning rates are fairly high as an accidental a cause of mortality.
John
just-this-guy
Oct 28, 2010, 9:11:29 AM10/28/10
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I've used the martial arts trained high school student before.
I took a wimp kid and just made him competent to defend himself from
bullies when finally pushed too far. He was in no ways a "master" but
I believe a little basic training is enough to deter your typical
brawling schoolyard bully.
I took a wimp kid and just made him competent to defend himself from
bullies when finally pushed too far. He was in no ways a "master" but
I believe a little basic training is enough to deter your typical
brawling schoolyard bully.
Islador
Oct 28, 2010, 10:17:50 AM10/28/10
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In the age of 'everyone is a victim' and 'somebody has to pay', I am
not such a hard core believer in all the numbers from lists like
that. I know cell phone use is a recent whipping boy for causes of
accidents. I've seen enough idiots (male and female) yaking away not
paying attention to what they are doing and leaving it up to everyone
else to get out of their way, so I know it's a real problem. However,
I'm not sure if it's more of a problem than say, shaving while on the
way to work, or putting on make-up using the rear view mirror. I
think it falls under the heading of just narcissistic driving habits.
Then there are those rare occasions when no fault or cause can be
found. I worked for a rancher back when I was in high school who lost
his wife to just such an accident. She went to town to pick up
something from the hardware store and on the way back, ran off the
road, flipped the truck and broke her neck. She hadn't been drinking
(against their religion), no other vehicle could be determined to be
involved, no animal tracks on the dirt road, no health issues ,and she
wasn't speeding--35-40 mph is what the investigators determined. I
remember all the theories being tossed around by the state police,
from a wasp flying inside the open windows to dodging a low flying
aircraft (the AF used to fly low level practice runs with B-52's right
over that area). They never did determine why she ran off the road,
it was just a case of "shit happens".
As to the poisoning thing, I don't know if that can be blamed on
idiots doing the human race a favor and culling the herd, or if
somebody got away with the 'perfect crime'.
Cheers,
Islador
On Oct 28, 7:23 am, massivereader <JohnPa...@msn.com> wrote:
> Yeah, unfortunately, despite all the publicity generated by MADD and
> such, drinking is still involved in nearly half of traffic fatalities
> (about 45% - down from 57% in the eighties - according to this guyhttp://www.benbest.com/lifeext/causes.html) followed by driver fatigue
not such a hard core believer in all the numbers from lists like
that. I know cell phone use is a recent whipping boy for causes of
accidents. I've seen enough idiots (male and female) yaking away not
paying attention to what they are doing and leaving it up to everyone
else to get out of their way, so I know it's a real problem. However,
I'm not sure if it's more of a problem than say, shaving while on the
way to work, or putting on make-up using the rear view mirror. I
think it falls under the heading of just narcissistic driving habits.
Then there are those rare occasions when no fault or cause can be
found. I worked for a rancher back when I was in high school who lost
his wife to just such an accident. She went to town to pick up
something from the hardware store and on the way back, ran off the
road, flipped the truck and broke her neck. She hadn't been drinking
(against their religion), no other vehicle could be determined to be
involved, no animal tracks on the dirt road, no health issues ,and she
wasn't speeding--35-40 mph is what the investigators determined. I
remember all the theories being tossed around by the state police,
from a wasp flying inside the open windows to dodging a low flying
aircraft (the AF used to fly low level practice runs with B-52's right
over that area). They never did determine why she ran off the road,
it was just a case of "shit happens".
As to the poisoning thing, I don't know if that can be blamed on
idiots doing the human race a favor and culling the herd, or if
somebody got away with the 'perfect crime'.
Cheers,
Islador
On Oct 28, 7:23 am, massivereader <JohnPa...@msn.com> wrote:
> Yeah, unfortunately, despite all the publicity generated by MADD and
> such, drinking is still involved in nearly half of traffic fatalities
massivereader
Oct 28, 2010, 10:47:25 AM10/28/10
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The article I linked makes reference to fatigue as being the possible
cause of many of those unexplained accidents, due to the phenomena
know as "micro-sleeps" where one nods off for a few seconds or minutes
while your sleeping body usually keeps you on the road by reflex.
Except sometimes it doesn't. This used to happen to me all the time,
and still does on occasion - lost time when driving. I trained myself
to drive with my right hand at the 2:00 position on the steering
wheel, so that when I nodded off to the point where I slumped, I would
steer to the right and leaving the road onto the berm would wake me
up, and jerking alert and straigthening back up would steer me back
onto the road. Probably kept me alive many hundreds of times over a
few decades of being on call 24 hours on demand to substitue, or
retreive drivers after accidents and breakdowns.
You're right about the cell phone use being a distraction similar to
eating, map reading, putting on clothes or makeup etc, etc. One reason
it's proved a bit more serious, or dangerous, is that one tends to
concentrate more and, due to the power of social convention, be less
likely to interupt ongoing conversations to tend to driving issues
simply to avoid being rude than when one is doing other, solitary,
things while driving.
Aside from that, yeah, I've seen flying insects, dropped cigarettes,
spilled drinks and any number of other distractions cause accidents.
John
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cause of many of those unexplained accidents, due to the phenomena
know as "micro-sleeps" where one nods off for a few seconds or minutes
while your sleeping body usually keeps you on the road by reflex.
Except sometimes it doesn't. This used to happen to me all the time,
and still does on occasion - lost time when driving. I trained myself
to drive with my right hand at the 2:00 position on the steering
wheel, so that when I nodded off to the point where I slumped, I would
steer to the right and leaving the road onto the berm would wake me
up, and jerking alert and straigthening back up would steer me back
onto the road. Probably kept me alive many hundreds of times over a
few decades of being on call 24 hours on demand to substitue, or
retreive drivers after accidents and breakdowns.
You're right about the cell phone use being a distraction similar to
eating, map reading, putting on clothes or makeup etc, etc. One reason
it's proved a bit more serious, or dangerous, is that one tends to
concentrate more and, due to the power of social convention, be less
likely to interupt ongoing conversations to tend to driving issues
simply to avoid being rude than when one is doing other, solitary,
things while driving.
Aside from that, yeah, I've seen flying insects, dropped cigarettes,
spilled drinks and any number of other distractions cause accidents.
John
>
> - Show quoted text -
Islador
Oct 28, 2010, 12:04:30 PM10/28/10
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Your point about not wanting to disrupt a conversation brought to mind
an incident that happened a couple years ago on the AF base nearby. A
male SP driving along the flightline plowed his patrol vehicle into a
parked F-15, trashing both since he was going along at a pretty good
clip. His excuse was that he dropped his cellphone and bent down to
pick it up. His FEMALE partner backed up his story. What really
happened, and covered up, was that said female partner was performing
an oral sex act on the driver at the time of the impact. Snickering
comments about the driver being lucky not to lose something besides
his cellphone was what led to the real story getting out.
I wonder how many "I was changing the radio station" or similar excuse
told to the cops, was in fact due to getting a hummer that skews
statistical research. Then again, it could be listed under "Other" as
a way to hide "Having Sex" under the screwy Victorian bullshit
political correctness thing.
Cheers,
Islador
Switch Blayde
Oct 28, 2010, 12:16:44 PM10/28/10
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> The article I linked makes reference to fatigue as being the possible
> cause of many of those unexplained accidents, due to the phenomena
> know as "micro-sleeps" where one nods off for a few seconds or minutes
> while your sleeping body usually keeps you on the road by reflex.
> cause of many of those unexplained accidents, due to the phenomena
> know as "micro-sleeps" where one nods off for a few seconds or minutes
> while your sleeping body usually keeps you on the road by reflex.
I once drove home from a long workday and was on my block, maybe 4 or 5 houses from mine. All of a sudden I heard a weird noise and awoke. I had fallen asleep and dreamt that I pulled into my garage. It was an automatic transmission and, since I was "in my garage," I shifted to "Park." I guess when it hit "Reverse" it made the noise.
The good news is that I didn't crash. The bad news is that Camaro's transmission wasn't the same.
Switch
The good news is that I didn't crash. The bad news is that Camaro's transmission wasn't the same.
Switch
Tim Merrigan
Oct 28, 2010, 5:03:44 PM10/28/10
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On 10/27/2010 4:55 AM, EzzyB wrote:
OK I'm gonna rant I guess. Two things in SOL stories that are really pissing me off now. Mainly because they are so overused. The first, KARATE MASTAH! Yeah you know him. He's just your ordinary guy who has been studying martial arts since he was three months old. He protects his girlfriend, her girlfriend, his mother, and the neighbors daughter all with his l33t skilz. Anyone else tired of this? The next one. OK someone needs to die. Bring in the drunk driver! Whoohooo!, every author's solution to killing off someone. I know it's a problem, but every author seems to make it a solution to their character's problem to, you know, still be alive. I'm so tired of the whole 'drunk driver killed my parents, sister, brother, grandma' thing it's making me sick. It's generally enhanced when a judge let him go and it's his second or third offense. I swear half the SOL authors are card carrying members of MADD. /rant EzzyB
In my experience it's, "a drunk driver killed my wife and left me and our 3 yo daughter to fend for ourselves, and in the ensuing lawsuit we were awarded eleventy million dollars in damages...". Of course that could be because of the stories I read.
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The Black Knight
Oct 29, 2010, 2:11:40 AM10/29/10
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Tim Merrigan allegedly wrote:
> In my experience it's, "a drunk driver killed my wife and left me and
> our 3 yo daughter to fend for ourselves, and in the ensuing lawsuit we
> were awarded eleventy million dollars in damages...".
Except for the ones where the driver was rich/powerful/connected, and
> In my experience it's, "a drunk driver killed my wife and left me and
> our 3 yo daughter to fend for ourselves, and in the ensuing lawsuit we
> were awarded eleventy million dollars in damages...".
the cops are normal[1] cops.
[1] That is to say, corrupt as all hell.
marful
Nov 13, 2010, 10:39:04 PM11/13/10
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On Oct 27, 3:55 am, EzzyB <ez...@storiesonline.org> wrote:
> OK I'm gonna rant I guess. Two things in SOL stories that are really
> pissing me off now. Mainly because they are so overused.
>
> OK I'm gonna rant I guess. Two things in SOL stories that are really
> pissing me off now. Mainly because they are so overused.
>
> The next one. OK someone needs to die. Bring in the drunk driver!
> Whoohooo!, every author's solution to killing off someone. I know
> it's a problem, but every author seems to make it a solution to their
> character's problem to, you know, still be alive. I'm so tired of the
> whole 'drunk driver killed my parents, sister, brother, grandma' thing
> it's making me sick. It's generally enhanced when a judge let him go
> and it's his second or third offense.
>
> I swear half the SOL authors are card carrying members of MADD.
>
> /rant
>
> EzzyB
I still remember when I heard the news when my Uncle, recently married
> Whoohooo!, every author's solution to killing off someone. I know
> it's a problem, but every author seems to make it a solution to their
> character's problem to, you know, still be alive. I'm so tired of the
> whole 'drunk driver killed my parents, sister, brother, grandma' thing
> it's making me sick. It's generally enhanced when a judge let him go
> and it's his second or third offense.
>
> I swear half the SOL authors are card carrying members of MADD.
>
> /rant
>
> EzzyB
(less than a year) was struck by a drunk driver and killed instantly.
I still remember when another uncle, who was delivering newspapers so
he could have enough money to send his remaining son to hockey camp
(his eldest died of Leukemia at age 9, leaving them financially
broken), was struck by a drunk driver while he was half inside of his
car. Causing it to burst into flames and him burning to death amidst
gasoline and newspapers.
I still remember the closed casket funeral of my cousin, who died
coming home from a college party where her drunk roomate wrapped the
car around a light post.
I still remember a friend of the family who is now paralyzed from the
waist down due to a drunk kid losing control while racing someone else
and striking him head on.
I still remember the time I was struck in a T-bone collision by an
underage drunk teen who decided to make a left turn against oncoming
traffic.
I still remember serving as a juror in a criminal case where the
defendant struck and injured a mother and child and fled the scene
after leaving them bleeding almost to death.
The seriousness of driving while intoxicated is a reality that most
people do not acknowledge "because it isn't common" when it really is.
If people would accept how common it is, and understand the
ramifications and consequences, then I believe more people would
refrain from driving while intoxicated.
marful
Bad Fred
Nov 13, 2010, 10:53:52 PM11/13/10
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I'm just glad I'm not related to you. Your people have the worst fucking luck.
Zine
Nov 13, 2010, 11:56:28 PM11/13/10
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Marful,
But sometimes there's a happy ending. 14-year-old girl raped by her
older, drunken abusive bf who then lets his two friends have her then
they all beat her up and leave her for dead. They get out on bail.
Two weeks later they, plus one more of their friends, are drunk and
speeding on the hwy (110). Driver loses control, no seat belts worn,
hits the guardrail, car flips and rolls over and over up the side of
the elevated overpass then rolls back down pretty much running over
three of them who were flung from the car. No one survived. Closed
caskets. Girl saved the trauma of court, taxpayers saved thousands of
dollars. Sweet, devine justice.
Zine.
But sometimes there's a happy ending. 14-year-old girl raped by her
older, drunken abusive bf who then lets his two friends have her then
they all beat her up and leave her for dead. They get out on bail.
Two weeks later they, plus one more of their friends, are drunk and
speeding on the hwy (110). Driver loses control, no seat belts worn,
hits the guardrail, car flips and rolls over and over up the side of
the elevated overpass then rolls back down pretty much running over
three of them who were flung from the car. No one survived. Closed
caskets. Girl saved the trauma of court, taxpayers saved thousands of
dollars. Sweet, devine justice.
Zine.
EzzyB
Nov 15, 2010, 1:39:29 AM11/15/10
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Well like BF said you have been incredibly unlucky. The thread still
stands about using the 'drunk driver' as a crutch in writing.
Whenever an author seems to want to kill someone they seem to use it.
You seem to have undergone repeated personal experiences, but we are
discussing writing here, and the overuse (IMO) of the classic 'drunk
driver' accident as an easy crutch to impart drama. It is overused.
At least as a reader it's so overused my eyes roll up in my head when
I read it.
While I feel for your losses here I think you missed the point. We're
discussing concepts of fiction here, not your personal reality.
EzzyB
stands about using the 'drunk driver' as a crutch in writing.
Whenever an author seems to want to kill someone they seem to use it.
You seem to have undergone repeated personal experiences, but we are
discussing writing here, and the overuse (IMO) of the classic 'drunk
driver' accident as an easy crutch to impart drama. It is overused.
At least as a reader it's so overused my eyes roll up in my head when
I read it.
While I feel for your losses here I think you missed the point. We're
discussing concepts of fiction here, not your personal reality.
EzzyB
Serena Jones
Nov 15, 2010, 5:14:55 AM11/15/10
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And to be clear, we all sympathize with your personal losses. No one should suffer a drunk driving death and to have dealt with as many as you have is tragic. Serena Jones
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From: EzzyB <ez...@storiesonline.org>
To: storiesonline <storie...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 06:39:29 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Pet Peeves. Ninjas and Drunks
Well like BF said you have been incredibly unlucky. The thread still
stands about using the 'drunk driver' as a crutch in writing.
Whenever an author seems to want to kill someone they seem to use it.
You seem to have undergone repeated personal experiences, but we are
discussing writing here, and the overuse (IMO) of the classic 'drunk
driver' accident as an easy crutch to impart drama. It is overused.
At least as a reader it's so overused my eyes roll up in my head when
I read it.
While I feel for your losses here I think you missed the point. We're
discussing concepts of fiction here, not your personal reality.
EzzyB
On Nov 13, 10:39 pm, marful wrote:
Zine
Nov 15, 2010, 5:19:22 AM11/15/10
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Ezzy,
Yeah, I think we have enough reality in our lives already. No wonder
people feel the need to escape it.
Another clunker is the time travel (it's 1873!) /second chance (I'm 40
years younger!) lightning strike. And, it never seems to happen to a
woman. We don't get to go back and collect a male harem. That's
pretty unfair. And we never get to do it over again, this time
starting out in the body of a 12-year-old boy. The upside being
getting rid of the whole PMS thing, and boobs that spend most of their
time just getting in the way. And the whole having to look like
you're ready to go out on a date 24/7. I think it'd be interesting to
see if she maintains her sensitive, feminine side or gets corrupted by
the whole guy thing like sending a naive farmer to congress. Or
spends hours fascinated by and/or critical of "her" new equipment. It
could be a fun read.
I remember this one second chance story where an old guy (no offense)
has a heart attack (a lightning strike was involved, of course), wakes
up in the body of a tween girl, pisses off the RCC (somewhat
biographical) and gets sent to an all-girls private school.
Naturally, the theme follows the concept "If I came back as a woman,
I'd damn sure be a lesbian." A good quantity of do-gooding and lots
of teenage lesbian sex. Unfortunately, they weren't witches. But it
was fun ride. I'll probably have to write those stories myself. But
there won't be any lightning. Or tornadoes. Or magic mirrors. Or
rabbit holes. :)) Earthquake! That'll work.
Zine
Yeah, I think we have enough reality in our lives already. No wonder
people feel the need to escape it.
Another clunker is the time travel (it's 1873!) /second chance (I'm 40
years younger!) lightning strike. And, it never seems to happen to a
woman. We don't get to go back and collect a male harem. That's
pretty unfair. And we never get to do it over again, this time
starting out in the body of a 12-year-old boy. The upside being
getting rid of the whole PMS thing, and boobs that spend most of their
time just getting in the way. And the whole having to look like
you're ready to go out on a date 24/7. I think it'd be interesting to
see if she maintains her sensitive, feminine side or gets corrupted by
the whole guy thing like sending a naive farmer to congress. Or
spends hours fascinated by and/or critical of "her" new equipment. It
could be a fun read.
I remember this one second chance story where an old guy (no offense)
has a heart attack (a lightning strike was involved, of course), wakes
up in the body of a tween girl, pisses off the RCC (somewhat
biographical) and gets sent to an all-girls private school.
Naturally, the theme follows the concept "If I came back as a woman,
I'd damn sure be a lesbian." A good quantity of do-gooding and lots
of teenage lesbian sex. Unfortunately, they weren't witches. But it
was fun ride. I'll probably have to write those stories myself. But
there won't be any lightning. Or tornadoes. Or magic mirrors. Or
rabbit holes. :)) Earthquake! That'll work.
Zine
just-this-guy
Nov 15, 2010, 8:03:57 AM11/15/10
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Hey! I tied this all together.
I used a truck driving on the wrong side of the street to send my
protagonist into the past. I also had learning martial arts in the
story.
just-this-"cliche"-guy
I used a truck driving on the wrong side of the street to send my
protagonist into the past. I also had learning martial arts in the
story.
just-this-"cliche"-guy
Switch Blayde
Nov 15, 2010, 9:10:25 AM11/15/10
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> You seem to have undergone repeated personal experiences, but we are
> discussing writing here, and the overuse (IMO) of the classic 'drunk
> driver' accident as an easy crutch to impart drama. It is overused.
> discussing writing here, and the overuse (IMO) of the classic 'drunk
> driver' accident as an easy crutch to impart drama. It is overused.
You'll be glad to know that in "Tara" it was:
"I heard it was a car accident."
"No, it was an aneurysm."
I don't know if I had this thread in mind or not when I wrote it, but that's how it turned out.
Switch
"I heard it was a car accident."
"No, it was an aneurysm."
I don't know if I had this thread in mind or not when I wrote it, but that's how it turned out.
Switch
Zine
Nov 15, 2010, 10:45:01 AM11/15/10
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JTG,
Omg, you're an absolute genius! So, you gonna write one then? Huh?
Will ya? Pretty please? What if I get the Goddess of Porn to engage
in a little oral turpitude over your way?
Zine
Omg, you're an absolute genius! So, you gonna write one then? Huh?
Will ya? Pretty please? What if I get the Goddess of Porn to engage
in a little oral turpitude over your way?
Zine
Argon
Nov 15, 2010, 11:17:05 AM11/15/10
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On Nov 15, 11:19 am, Zine <mlle.euphros...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ezzy,
>
> Yeah, I think we have enough reality in our lives already. No wonder
> people feel the need to escape it.
>
> Another clunker is the time travel (it's 1873!) /second chance (I'm 40
> years younger!) lightning strike.
people we treated badly. So, returning and "doing it right" has appeal
to many readers. It's so much easier than saying "Sorry" to the people
we fucked over.
And, it never seems to happen to a
> woman.
go back if you never did anything wrong? ;o)
> We don't get to go back and collect a male harem.
female writers are busy with their Were Zoos. :o)
That's
> pretty unfair. And we never get to do it over again, this time
> starting out in the body of a 12-year-old boy. The upside being
> getting rid of the whole PMS thing, and boobs that spend most of their
> time just getting in the way. And the whole having to look like
> you're ready to go out on a date 24/7. I think it'd be interesting to
> see if she maintains her sensitive, feminine side
awesome concept though. A man/boy who truly understands women! Sure,
it's pure fiction (who ever heard of such an animal?), but the
possibilities... Of course, it depends on whether the person retains
her/his sexual preference. Let's face it, if the guy with the girlie
soul is into guys, then the story's going to squick 90% of the
readership (just ask the folks who write stories with a gay content).
or gets corrupted by
> the whole guy thing like sending a naive farmer to congress. Or
> spends hours fascinated by and/or critical of "her" new equipment. It
> could be a fun read.
those pants?" instead of sucking in his gut and admiring himself in
the mirror.
>
> I remember this one second chance story where an old guy (no offense)
> has a heart attack (a lightning strike was involved, of course), wakes
> up in the body of a tween girl, pisses off the RCC (somewhat
> biographical) and gets sent to an all-girls private school.
> Naturally, the theme follows the concept "If I came back as a woman,
> I'd damn sure be a lesbian." A good quantity of do-gooding and lots
> of teenage lesbian sex. Unfortunately, they weren't witches. But it
> was fun ride.
her opposite, the girl who is now the old fart's younger self. That
character wasn't too fleshed out, though, more a supporting role.
> I'll probably have to write those stories myself. But
> there won't be any lightning. Or tornadoes. Or magic mirrors. Or
> rabbit holes. :)) Earthquake! That'll work.
Cheers
Argon
just-this-guy
Nov 15, 2010, 1:50:16 PM11/15/10
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I *did* write it. It's called "1984". My main character gets hit
by a truck, ends up in the hospital, "dies", wakes up in 1984 and
meets his younger self. He takes it upon himself to pay for his
younger self to take martial arts lessons so he can stand up to the
school bullies. He marries the hot school nurse, gets sick, and wakes
back up in the hospital in his current time and he discovers he's
married to one of the girls who tormented him in high school.
So I really am full of cliches - full of something at least.
just-this-guy
by a truck, ends up in the hospital, "dies", wakes up in 1984 and
meets his younger self. He takes it upon himself to pay for his
younger self to take martial arts lessons so he can stand up to the
school bullies. He marries the hot school nurse, gets sick, and wakes
back up in the hospital in his current time and he discovers he's
married to one of the girls who tormented him in high school.
So I really am full of cliches - full of something at least.
just-this-guy
bondi beach
Nov 15, 2010, 3:40:35 PM11/15/10
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On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Argon <arg...@web.de> wrote:
You mean, will he/she cross his/her legs the girlie way? It's an
awesome concept though. A man/boy who truly understands women! Sure,
it's pure fiction (who ever heard of such an animal?), but the
possibilities... Of course, it depends on whether the person retains
her/his sexual preference. Let's face it, if the guy with the girlie
soul is into guys, then the story's going to squick 90% of the
readership (just ask the folks who write stories with a gay content).
It's been done by rache: "Girl Fag."
bb
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Zine
Nov 15, 2010, 6:14:57 PM11/15/10
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bb,
You know, we need to talk her into making a list (a real short list,
probably) of what she hasn't done yet.
Zine
On Nov 15, 3:40 pm, bondi beach <bondi.beach....@gmail.com> wrote:
You know, we need to talk her into making a list (a real short list,
probably) of what she hasn't done yet.
Zine
On Nov 15, 3:40 pm, bondi beach <bondi.beach....@gmail.com> wrote:
Zine
Nov 15, 2010, 6:15:51 PM11/15/10
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JTG,
Geez, just reading the blurb made me dizzy! I'll have to check it
out, thanks.
Zine
Geez, just reading the blurb made me dizzy! I'll have to check it
out, thanks.
Zine
Zine
Nov 15, 2010, 6:42:23 PM11/15/10
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Argon,
On Nov 15, 11:17 am, Argon <argo...@web.de> wrote:
> On Nov 15, 11:19 am, Zine <mlle.euphros...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ezzy,
>
> > Yeah, I think we have enough reality in our lives already. No wonder
> > people feel the need to escape it.
>
> > Another clunker is the time travel (it's 1873!) /second chance (I'm 40
> > years younger!) lightning strike.
>
> I guess we all have regrets in our lives; things we missed out on,
> people we treated badly. So, returning and "doing it right" has appeal
> to many readers. It's so much easier than saying "Sorry" to the people
> we fucked over.
Oh, I grog. It's just that it's always lightning. Like it's always a
drunk driver.
of like bowling a perfect game. After that, you bowl backwards
between your knees just for giggles. Kind of like a handicap. So
doing it all over as a boy would be a real challenge. See? We'd have
a handicap!
thing. I'd be lucky to write an m/f thing. So she'd have to be
lesbian. I guess she could be either for the going way back in time
thing. Course, I guess they were a little hard on lesbians back
then. Pun not intended.
wakes up in the hospital.
>
> Cheers
> Argon
>
Zine
On Nov 15, 11:17 am, Argon <argo...@web.de> wrote:
> On Nov 15, 11:19 am, Zine <mlle.euphros...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ezzy,
>
> > Yeah, I think we have enough reality in our lives already. No wonder
> > people feel the need to escape it.
>
> > Another clunker is the time travel (it's 1873!) /second chance (I'm 40
> > years younger!) lightning strike.
>
> I guess we all have regrets in our lives; things we missed out on,
> people we treated badly. So, returning and "doing it right" has appeal
> to many readers. It's so much easier than saying "Sorry" to the people
> we fucked over.
drunk driver.
>
> And, it never seems to happen to a
>
> > woman.
>
> Don't women do everything right in the first place? I'm confused. Why
> go back if you never did anything wrong? ;o)
Yeah, there is that. But really, it's no fun being right. It's kind
> And, it never seems to happen to a
>
> > woman.
>
> Don't women do everything right in the first place? I'm confused. Why
> go back if you never did anything wrong? ;o)
of like bowling a perfect game. After that, you bowl backwards
between your knees just for giggles. Kind of like a handicap. So
doing it all over as a boy would be a real challenge. See? We'd have
a handicap!
>
> > We don't get to go back and collect a male harem.
>
> That's because >98% of stories on SOL are written by men. And the
> female writers are busy with their Were Zoos. :o)
Yeah, got me there.
> > We don't get to go back and collect a male harem.
>
> That's because >98% of stories on SOL are written by men. And the
> female writers are busy with their Were Zoos. :o)
>
> That's
>
> > pretty unfair. And we never get to do it over again, this time
> > starting out in the body of a 12-year-old boy. The upside being
> > getting rid of the whole PMS thing, and boobs that spend most of their
> > time just getting in the way. And the whole having to look like
> > you're ready to go out on a date 24/7. I think it'd be interesting to
> > see if she maintains her sensitive, feminine side
>
> You mean, will he/she cross his/her legs the girlie way? It's an
> awesome concept though. A man/boy who truly understands women! Sure,
> it's pure fiction (who ever heard of such an animal?), but the
> possibilities... Of course, it depends on whether the person retains
> her/his sexual preference. Let's face it, if the guy with the girlie
> soul is into guys, then the story's going to squick 90% of the
> readership (just ask the folks who write stories with a gay content).
No, not the lispy, weak-wristed thing. Well, I couldn't write the m/m
> That's
>
> > pretty unfair. And we never get to do it over again, this time
> > starting out in the body of a 12-year-old boy. The upside being
> > getting rid of the whole PMS thing, and boobs that spend most of their
> > time just getting in the way. And the whole having to look like
> > you're ready to go out on a date 24/7. I think it'd be interesting to
> > see if she maintains her sensitive, feminine side
>
> You mean, will he/she cross his/her legs the girlie way? It's an
> awesome concept though. A man/boy who truly understands women! Sure,
> it's pure fiction (who ever heard of such an animal?), but the
> possibilities... Of course, it depends on whether the person retains
> her/his sexual preference. Let's face it, if the guy with the girlie
> soul is into guys, then the story's going to squick 90% of the
> readership (just ask the folks who write stories with a gay content).
thing. I'd be lucky to write an m/f thing. So she'd have to be
lesbian. I guess she could be either for the going way back in time
thing. Course, I guess they were a little hard on lesbians back
then. Pun not intended.
>
> or gets corrupted by
>
> > the whole guy thing like sending a naive farmer to congress. Or
> > spends hours fascinated by and/or critical of "her" new equipment. It
> > could be a fun read.
>
> Yeah, finally a guy who'll ask: "Do you think my butt looks fat in
> those pants?" instead of sucking in his gut and admiring himself in
> the mirror.
LMAO. Or "he" buys up all the boots.
> or gets corrupted by
>
> > the whole guy thing like sending a naive farmer to congress. Or
> > spends hours fascinated by and/or critical of "her" new equipment. It
> > could be a fun read.
>
> Yeah, finally a guy who'll ask: "Do you think my butt looks fat in
> those pants?" instead of sucking in his gut and admiring himself in
> the mirror.
>
>
>
> > I remember this one second chance story where an old guy (no offense)
> > has a heart attack (a lightning strike was involved, of course), wakes
> > up in the body of a tween girl, pisses off the RCC (somewhat
> > biographical) and gets sent to an all-girls private school.
> > Naturally, the theme follows the concept "If I came back as a woman,
> > I'd damn sure be a lesbian." A good quantity of do-gooding and lots
> > of teenage lesbian sex. Unfortunately, they weren't witches. But it
> > was fun ride.
>
> Once Again With Feelings was the name of that story. It also contains
> her opposite, the girl who is now the old fart's younger self. That
> character wasn't too fleshed out, though, more a supporting role.
Yeah, that's it.
>
>
> > I remember this one second chance story where an old guy (no offense)
> > has a heart attack (a lightning strike was involved, of course), wakes
> > up in the body of a tween girl, pisses off the RCC (somewhat
> > biographical) and gets sent to an all-girls private school.
> > Naturally, the theme follows the concept "If I came back as a woman,
> > I'd damn sure be a lesbian." A good quantity of do-gooding and lots
> > of teenage lesbian sex. Unfortunately, they weren't witches. But it
> > was fun ride.
>
> Once Again With Feelings was the name of that story. It also contains
> her opposite, the girl who is now the old fart's younger self. That
> character wasn't too fleshed out, though, more a supporting role.
>
> > I'll probably have to write those stories myself. But
> > there won't be any lightning. Or tornadoes. Or magic mirrors. Or
> > rabbit holes. :)) Earthquake! That'll work.
>
> Volcano is another possibility.
I guess. Died from the initial blast like Mt. St-Helens. Boom! Then
> > I'll probably have to write those stories myself. But
> > there won't be any lightning. Or tornadoes. Or magic mirrors. Or
> > rabbit holes. :)) Earthquake! That'll work.
>
> Volcano is another possibility.
wakes up in the hospital.
>
> Cheers
> Argon
>
Zine
EzzyB
Nov 16, 2010, 10:37:21 AM11/16/10
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Well write it Zine. How cool would that be? A time travel story
centered around a woman thrown back into the bad-old-days instead of a
man reliving his youth. I'd read it for sure. How about sending a
modern woman back in time to the sufferage movement?
EzzyB
centered around a woman thrown back into the bad-old-days instead of a
man reliving his youth. I'd read it for sure. How about sending a
modern woman back in time to the sufferage movement?
EzzyB
just-this-guy
Nov 16, 2010, 10:58:46 AM11/16/10
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I like it, Ezzy.
Or how about a modern independent woman thrust back in the times when
women were treated as property and seen as less valuable than
livestock? How does the modern women show her worth and prove a
woman has value and change the societal norms?
Or how about a modern independent woman thrust back in the times when
women were treated as property and seen as less valuable than
livestock? How does the modern women show her worth and prove a
woman has value and change the societal norms?
Bad Fred
Nov 16, 2010, 11:35:35 AM11/16/10
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I'd rather give her superpowers and have her kill every motherfucker who gets in way. And fuck a lot of girls.
On Nov 16, 2010 10:58 AM, "just-this-guy" <just-t...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I like it, Ezzy.
Or how about a modern independent woman thrust back in the times when
women were treated as property and seen as less valuable than
livestock? How does the modern women show her worth and prove a
woman has value and change the societal norms?
On Nov 16, 7:37 am, EzzyB <ez...@storiesonline.org> wrote:
> Well write it Zine. How cool would th...
just-this-guy
Nov 16, 2010, 11:41:42 AM11/16/10
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Title: The Mutant Time Traveling Lesbians Visit Libya
On Nov 16, 8:35 am, Bad Fred <badfre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd rather give her superpowers and have her kill every motherfucker who
> gets in way. And fuck a lot of girls.
>
On Nov 16, 8:35 am, Bad Fred <badfre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd rather give her superpowers and have her kill every motherfucker who
> gets in way. And fuck a lot of girls.
>
Zine
Nov 16, 2010, 12:37:48 PM11/16/10
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JTG,
By pulling all the women up and down the east coast together then
joining the side of the indians?
Zine
By pulling all the women up and down the east coast together then
joining the side of the indians?
Zine
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Zine
Nov 16, 2010, 12:49:35 PM11/16/10
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JTG
Syria, definitely.
Mutant what? Not turtles again. Leopards with spots! Bob cats?
Gotta be something feline.
Power puff girls is BF's thing. That and using the "F" word in every
sentence.
I know! Cindy Vortex all grown up! Double-barreled sling-shot energy
grenades!
Zine
Syria, definitely.
Mutant what? Not turtles again. Leopards with spots! Bob cats?
Gotta be something feline.
Power puff girls is BF's thing. That and using the "F" word in every
sentence.
I know! Cindy Vortex all grown up! Double-barreled sling-shot energy
grenades!
Zine
Zine
Nov 16, 2010, 1:06:48 PM11/16/10
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Ezzy,
Yeah, I could change the world! Muahahahaha!
A modern lesbian woman getting stuck in the body of a 12-year-old boy
doesn't do anything for ya? I could make it any time I wanted, kinda
combining both stories.
I gotta finish this Halloween story first.
Zine
Yeah, I could change the world! Muahahahaha!
A modern lesbian woman getting stuck in the body of a 12-year-old boy
doesn't do anything for ya? I could make it any time I wanted, kinda
combining both stories.
I gotta finish this Halloween story first.
Zine
Sam
Nov 16, 2010, 1:53:21 PM11/16/10
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Sourdough did something like that: "Miss Kitty" (on SOL).
bondi beach
Nov 16, 2010, 3:10:25 PM11/16/10
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On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Zine <mlle.eu...@gmail.com> wrote:
JTG,
By pulling all the women up and down the east coast together then
joining the side of the indians?
Interesting premise, although unless you made some other changes they'd end up picking berries and dressing game, instead of slaving away in the kitchen.
How about some Amazons?
bb
Switch Blayde
Nov 16, 2010, 3:17:09 PM11/16/10
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Why not project into the future a few female servants from the Middle Ages who are accustomed to doing whatever their master says.
Switch
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:10:25 -0800
Switch
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:10:25 -0800
Subject: Re: Pet Peeves. Ninjas and Drunks
Switch Blayde
Nov 16, 2010, 3:17:47 PM11/16/10
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By future I meant present time (their future)
Switch
From: switch...@hotmail.com
To: storie...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Pet Peeves. Ninjas and Drunks
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:17:09 -0700
Switch
From: switch...@hotmail.com
To: storie...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Pet Peeves. Ninjas and Drunks
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:17:09 -0700
Zine
Nov 16, 2010, 4:52:18 PM11/16/10
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SB,
Yeah... I think that's more your thing than mine. No offense.
Zine
On Nov 16, 3:17 pm, Switch Blayde <switch_bla...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> By future I meant present time (their future)
>
> Switch
>
> To: storie...@googlegroups.com
Yeah... I think that's more your thing than mine. No offense.
Zine
On Nov 16, 3:17 pm, Switch Blayde <switch_bla...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> By future I meant present time (their future)
>
> Switch
>
> From: switch_bla...@hotmail.com
> To: storie...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Pet Peeves. Ninjas and Drunks
> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:17:09 -0700
>
> Why not project into the future a few female servants from the Middle Ages who are accustomed to doing whatever their master says.
>
> Switch
>
> To: storie...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Pet Peeves. Ninjas and Drunks
> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:17:09 -0700
>
> Why not project into the future a few female servants from the Middle Ages who are accustomed to doing whatever their master says.
>
> Switch
>
> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:10:25 -0800
> Subject: Re: Pet Peeves. Ninjas and Drunks
> From: bondi.beach....@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: Pet Peeves. Ninjas and Drunks
> To: storie...@googlegroups.com
Zine
Nov 16, 2010, 5:26:48 PM11/16/10
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bb,
Said the spider to the fly. re: the reasons why the Greeks started
that myth.
Zine
Said the spider to the fly. re: the reasons why the Greeks started
that myth.
Zine
Switch Blayde
Nov 16, 2010, 10:33:21 PM11/16/10
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No offense taken.
But there's two ways to write the story. One might be to give the guys a plaything.
But the other is to show how the women are transformed into modern women.
Switch
> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:52:18 -0800
But there's two ways to write the story. One might be to give the guys a plaything.
But the other is to show how the women are transformed into modern women.
Switch
> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:52:18 -0800
> Subject: Re: Pet Peeves. Ninjas and Drunks
EzzyB
Nov 16, 2010, 11:54:16 PM11/16/10
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Well most 12-year-old boys wouldn't mind waking up lesbian! Because,
you know, you'd be a guy, and lesbian and all. I think there is a
word for that.
Seriously though. If it's been done I haven't seen it. Why can't we
have a story about a hard-charging, take-it-to-the-world young female
getting that lighting bolt and get sent back to 1880? Us guys aren't
going to write it. Fire up the word processor and run with it. I'll
read.
I think such a character would actually be more interesting dealing
with the times if she were hetero though (fighting through the male
bias and all the while still attracted to those same men). I'm just
not sure a man could properly write that story though.
EzzyB
you know, you'd be a guy, and lesbian and all. I think there is a
word for that.
Seriously though. If it's been done I haven't seen it. Why can't we
have a story about a hard-charging, take-it-to-the-world young female
getting that lighting bolt and get sent back to 1880? Us guys aren't
going to write it. Fire up the word processor and run with it. I'll
read.
I think such a character would actually be more interesting dealing
with the times if she were hetero though (fighting through the male
bias and all the while still attracted to those same men). I'm just
not sure a man could properly write that story though.
EzzyB
EzzyB
Nov 17, 2010, 12:18:27 AM11/17/10
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On Nov 16, 1:53 pm, Sam <samuelmicha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sourdough did something like that: "Miss Kitty" (on SOL).
>
Thanks, but I was hoping for something a bit longer than a 5k word
> Sourdough did something like that: "Miss Kitty" (on SOL).
>
short story.
Probably just my preference showing here. If it doesn't take me at
least an evening to read I get disappointed. Then again I probably
have a short attention span when it comes to SOL readers (see the
thread on story length vs. story score. It's pretty amazing how the
longer stories score better).
EzzyB
EzzyB
Nov 17, 2010, 12:30:17 AM11/17/10
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Its both, but not like you think Switch. You think in terms of porn
(or sexual content) the other way of thinking is in terms of story.
Yes, she is handled as property like women simply were in the time
(the author can handle that however they think best). Definitely when
Zine said 'I could change the world' my ears picked up. YES!
I mean come ON! Your drama is built in right? Heck anything the
heroine accomplishes that's ahead of her time is a plot in the making.
You can inject as little or as much sex into the plot (I don't think
Amazons work here though), as you want. Depending on the writer she
can screw her way to what she wants (much sex) or seduce (some sex) or
use other means(minimal sex). It would be a good story though.
EzzyB
On Nov 16, 10:33 pm, Switch Blayde <switch_bla...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> No offense taken.
>
> But there's two ways to write the story. One might be to give the guys a plaything.
>
> But the other is to show how the women are transformed into modern women.
>
> Switch
>
> > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:52:18 -0800
> > Subject: Re: Pet Peeves. Ninjas and Drunks
> > From: mlle.euphros...@gmail.com
(or sexual content) the other way of thinking is in terms of story.
Yes, she is handled as property like women simply were in the time
(the author can handle that however they think best). Definitely when
Zine said 'I could change the world' my ears picked up. YES!
I mean come ON! Your drama is built in right? Heck anything the
heroine accomplishes that's ahead of her time is a plot in the making.
You can inject as little or as much sex into the plot (I don't think
Amazons work here though), as you want. Depending on the writer she
can screw her way to what she wants (much sex) or seduce (some sex) or
use other means(minimal sex). It would be a good story though.
EzzyB
On Nov 16, 10:33 pm, Switch Blayde <switch_bla...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> No offense taken.
>
> But there's two ways to write the story. One might be to give the guys a plaything.
>
> But the other is to show how the women are transformed into modern women.
>
> Switch
>
> > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:52:18 -0800
> > Subject: Re: Pet Peeves. Ninjas and Drunks
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Zine
Nov 17, 2010, 6:33:45 AM11/17/10
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SB,
Okay. Three medieval women are transported into 2010; the protagonist
stumbles across them and brings them up to speed? The protagonist
learns through this process just how good she's got it and maybe she
should stop complaining. Or maybe she realizes that we haven't come
far enough. The more things (technology) change the more things
(patriarchy) stay the same. Maybe she'll see the vote as a hollow
victory because men were betting that after the newness wore off, most
of them wouldn't vote anyway and they'd be off the couch. Maybe
she'll see that men back R v. W because they see it as a get out of
paternity free card. Anything to stay in charge and rule the
schoolyard. Maybe all that's left is... Revolution!!! USA becomes
Amazonia! (Book I) The Great Purge! First, all the lawyers. Then all
the clerics. (Book II) The Great Compromise! Neither matriarchal nor
patriarchal be. (Book III) Geez, I feel so empowered! :))
But I'd be so busy I'd be hard making time for sex. Ugh. I'm not that
self-sacrificing.
Zine
On Nov 16, 10:33 pm, Switch Blayde <switch_bla...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> No offense taken.
>
> But there's two ways to write the story. One might be to give the guys a plaything.
>
> But the other is to show how the women are transformed into modern women.
>
> Switch
>
> > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:52:18 -0800
> > Subject: Re: Pet Peeves. Ninjas and Drunks
> > From: mlle.euphros...@gmail.com
Okay. Three medieval women are transported into 2010; the protagonist
stumbles across them and brings them up to speed? The protagonist
learns through this process just how good she's got it and maybe she
should stop complaining. Or maybe she realizes that we haven't come
far enough. The more things (technology) change the more things
(patriarchy) stay the same. Maybe she'll see the vote as a hollow
victory because men were betting that after the newness wore off, most
of them wouldn't vote anyway and they'd be off the couch. Maybe
she'll see that men back R v. W because they see it as a get out of
paternity free card. Anything to stay in charge and rule the
schoolyard. Maybe all that's left is... Revolution!!! USA becomes
Amazonia! (Book I) The Great Purge! First, all the lawyers. Then all
the clerics. (Book II) The Great Compromise! Neither matriarchal nor
patriarchal be. (Book III) Geez, I feel so empowered! :))
But I'd be so busy I'd be hard making time for sex. Ugh. I'm not that
self-sacrificing.
Zine
On Nov 16, 10:33 pm, Switch Blayde <switch_bla...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> No offense taken.
>
> But there's two ways to write the story. One might be to give the guys a plaything.
>
> But the other is to show how the women are transformed into modern women.
>
> Switch
>
> > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:52:18 -0800
> > Subject: Re: Pet Peeves. Ninjas and Drunks
Tim Merrigan
Nov 17, 2010, 6:42:16 AM11/17/10
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Three medieval women are transported into a small rural community in
2010, immediately contract the latest flu that's going around and
die, meanwhile they've contacted enough people in the community to
spread a combination of smallpox and black plague, wiping out the
community they landed in.
And the three local people transported to the past, in the exchange that's necessary for the time travel to work, suffer and wreak similar havoc there.
And the three local people transported to the past, in the exchange that's necessary for the time travel to work, suffer and wreak similar havoc there.
On 11/17/2010 3:22 AM, Zine wrote:
SB, Okay. Three medieval women are transported into 2010; the protagonist stumbles across them and brings them up to speed? The protagonist learns through this process just how good she's got it and maybe she should stop complaining. Or maybe she realizes that we haven't come far enough. The more things (technology) change the more things (patriarchy) stay the same. Maybe she'll see the vote as a hollow victory because men were betting that after the newness wore off, most of them wouldn't vote anyway and they'd be off the couch. Maybe she'll see that men back R v. W because they see it as a get out of paternity free card. Anything to stay in charge and rule the schoolyard. Maybe all that's left is... Revolution!!! USA becomes Amazonia! (Book I) The Great Purge! First, all the lawyers. Then all the clerics. (Book II) The Great Compromise! Neither matriarchal nor patriarchal be. (Book III) Geez, I feel so empowered. (yawn). Zine On Nov 16, 10:33 pm, Switch Blayde <switch_bla...@hotmail.com> wrote:
No offense taken. But there's two ways to write the story. One might be to give the guys a plaything. But the other is to show how the women are transformed into modern women. Switch
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:52:18 -0800 Subject: Re: Pet Peeves. Ninjas and Drunks From: mlle.euphros...@gmail.com To: storie...@googlegroups.com
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and to the republic which it established, one nation, from many peoples,
promising liberty and justice for all.
Feel free to use the above variant pledge in your own postings.
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Zine
Nov 17, 2010, 7:14:33 AM11/17/10
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All,
So I've been thinking about that Once More With Feelings. I guess the
part that gets me is how the influence of male psyche on a female body
changed her from wallflower to sunflower, no longer roadkill for the
hwy of life. How the influence of a female psyche on a male body
changed him from a juvenile delinquent to a kinder, gentler,
productive human being. Put simply, the combinations made them well-
balanced.
So I was thinking, always a dangerous event, that maybe the "perfect"
human would start out at birth as fully functioning hermaphrodites (as
limited by age/puberty). People like choices, right? So all through
their youth, children are given the choice in clothes/toys/activities,
etc whether they want to go feminine or masculine. The more they
gravitate one way or the other, the opposite genitals begins to
atrophy. It's a slow process that ends somewhere around 18-21,
whereupon their genitals stay wherever and whatever they are. Some
might probably remain unisexual. But I think most adults would be one
or the other. No more of life saying, "Well, this is the body and
therefore the gender role that was handed out to you, so just build a
bridge and get over it." Of course, nothing human is ever perfect.
Zine
So I've been thinking about that Once More With Feelings. I guess the
part that gets me is how the influence of male psyche on a female body
changed her from wallflower to sunflower, no longer roadkill for the
hwy of life. How the influence of a female psyche on a male body
changed him from a juvenile delinquent to a kinder, gentler,
productive human being. Put simply, the combinations made them well-
balanced.
So I was thinking, always a dangerous event, that maybe the "perfect"
human would start out at birth as fully functioning hermaphrodites (as
limited by age/puberty). People like choices, right? So all through
their youth, children are given the choice in clothes/toys/activities,
etc whether they want to go feminine or masculine. The more they
gravitate one way or the other, the opposite genitals begins to
atrophy. It's a slow process that ends somewhere around 18-21,
whereupon their genitals stay wherever and whatever they are. Some
might probably remain unisexual. But I think most adults would be one
or the other. No more of life saying, "Well, this is the body and
therefore the gender role that was handed out to you, so just build a
bridge and get over it." Of course, nothing human is ever perfect.
Zine
Zine
Nov 17, 2010, 7:18:16 AM11/17/10
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TM,
Oh yeah, fiction has to make sense. Grrr...
Zine
Oh yeah, fiction has to make sense. Grrr...
Zine
Switch Blayde
Nov 17, 2010, 11:17:14 AM11/17/10
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> Its both, but not like you think Switch. You think in terms of porn
> (or sexual content) the other way of thinking is in terms of story.
> (or sexual content) the other way of thinking is in terms of story.
I always think in terms of a story, but an erotic story. There really are two stories ideas.
One, the women who are transorted to our present time accept the role they were trained in and remain submissive to their new masters.
The second plot is where they start out that way but learn to be more independent women and not take it any more. This is the story Zine would like.
Switch
One, the women who are transorted to our present time accept the role they were trained in and remain submissive to their new masters.
The second plot is where they start out that way but learn to be more independent women and not take it any more. This is the story Zine would like.
Switch
Zine
Nov 17, 2010, 12:03:18 PM11/17/10
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SB,
Yeah, the second one is more appealing if idealistic. First, the
problem with decease. I don't think I would have even thought of the
danger. Getting them through the culture shock would be an enormous
task. Then getting their education up to speed would be a monumental
task. All of that will take several years, maybe. By then we're all
cynical and conservative. :))
Zine
Yeah, the second one is more appealing if idealistic. First, the
problem with decease. I don't think I would have even thought of the
danger. Getting them through the culture shock would be an enormous
task. Then getting their education up to speed would be a monumental
task. All of that will take several years, maybe. By then we're all
cynical and conservative. :))
Zine
Zine
Nov 17, 2010, 12:12:46 PM11/17/10
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And just because I think this society we live in could stand to be
less patriarchal, that doesn't mean I hate men. I mean, some of my
friends are men! And they do serve an important purpose -- keeping
all those heterosexual women and gay men happy. :)) Which is why I
think most politicians are bi. They don't seem to care who they are
in bed with or who they screw. Oh wait...did I say that out loud?
Well, what I meant was... erm... ahh... well.... Nice day today,
isn't it?
Zine
less patriarchal, that doesn't mean I hate men. I mean, some of my
friends are men! And they do serve an important purpose -- keeping
all those heterosexual women and gay men happy. :)) Which is why I
think most politicians are bi. They don't seem to care who they are
in bed with or who they screw. Oh wait...did I say that out loud?
Well, what I meant was... erm... ahh... well.... Nice day today,
isn't it?
Zine
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massivereader
Nov 17, 2010, 1:02:37 PM11/17/10
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Ursula K LeGuin, "The Left Hand of Darkness"
John
John
rache
Nov 17, 2010, 9:18:58 PM11/17/10
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Gender confusion is pretty much all I write. Well...Species confusion
really, I suppose. Identity Crises, whether sexually, emotionally,
physically, spiritually...That's my thing. It's what makes the donut
turn for me. Way too much P.K.Dick, and that guy had a big freakin'
donut for the subject himself.
I really have no idea what this thread is talking about, to tell the
truth. A lot of references lose me. A story about a drunk time
traveler would be interesting. Uhhh...Shoot, I already wrote one of
those. Never mind.
rache
really, I suppose. Identity Crises, whether sexually, emotionally,
physically, spiritually...That's my thing. It's what makes the donut
turn for me. Way too much P.K.Dick, and that guy had a big freakin'
donut for the subject himself.
I really have no idea what this thread is talking about, to tell the
truth. A lot of references lose me. A story about a drunk time
traveler would be interesting. Uhhh...Shoot, I already wrote one of
those. Never mind.
rache
Deadly Ernest
Nov 25, 2010, 8:49:07 AM11/25/10
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One advantage of using a drunk driver that I don't think I've
mentioned yet, it allows the author an opportunity to have a reason
for the character affected to be very, very angry with some people and
the world and to have some psych issues due to the sudden endign of
their world as they know it. Now, in modern times we can also do the
same with a terrorist attack, but the DD does allow for a mroe narrow
focus of the hatred.
Ernest
On Oct 27, 10:55 pm, EzzyB <ez...@storiesonline.org> wrote:
> OK I'm gonna rant I guess. Two things in SOL stories that are really
> pissing me off now. Mainly because they are so overused.
>
> The first, KARATE MASTAH! Yeah you know him. He's just your ordinary
> guy who has been studying martial arts since he was three months old.
> He protects his girlfriend, her girlfriend, his mother, and the
> neighbors daughter all with his l33t skilz. Anyone else tired of
> this?
mentioned yet, it allows the author an opportunity to have a reason
for the character affected to be very, very angry with some people and
the world and to have some psych issues due to the sudden endign of
their world as they know it. Now, in modern times we can also do the
same with a terrorist attack, but the DD does allow for a mroe narrow
focus of the hatred.
Ernest
On Oct 27, 10:55 pm, EzzyB <ez...@storiesonline.org> wrote:
> OK I'm gonna rant I guess. Two things in SOL stories that are really
> pissing me off now. Mainly because they are so overused.
>
> guy who has been studying martial arts since he was three months old.
> He protects his girlfriend, her girlfriend, his mother, and the
> neighbors daughter all with his l33t skilz. Anyone else tired of
> this?
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