What kind of porn do women enjoy reading?
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Rewdius
Apr 11, 2009, 10:17:07 PM4/11/09
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After much internal debate, I've decided to see if anyone else has
ever considered asking (or already HAS asked) this question.
What kind of porn do women enjoy reading?
Are there statistics regarding what *kind* of porn women enjoy
perusing?
Where would I (and others) find this sort of statistical database?
Are there any quick answers (ladies, please) that are bone fide
opinions and not conjecture from the male of the species?
Authors are welcome to interject, but only if they've done adequate
personal research and feel they can back up their claims.
Remember, this question is coming from the seed producing member of
the species, so take that into careful consideration.
Eliston.
<No, I'm not currently giggling>
ever considered asking (or already HAS asked) this question.
What kind of porn do women enjoy reading?
Are there statistics regarding what *kind* of porn women enjoy
perusing?
Where would I (and others) find this sort of statistical database?
Are there any quick answers (ladies, please) that are bone fide
opinions and not conjecture from the male of the species?
Authors are welcome to interject, but only if they've done adequate
personal research and feel they can back up their claims.
Remember, this question is coming from the seed producing member of
the species, so take that into careful consideration.
Eliston.
<No, I'm not currently giggling>
Switch Blayde
Apr 12, 2009, 1:02:58 AM4/12/09
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> What kind of porn do women enjoy reading?
That's like asking what kind of porn do guys enjoy reading? Ask 10 people and you'll get 11 different answers.
The only thing I can say for sure is women enjoy romance novels. And erotic romance novels have become very popular with them. Just look at the popularity of Ellora's Cave and other e-publishers of Romantica.
I get emails more often than I would expect from women enjoying my stories. There's a lot of control, non-consent, and humiliation in some of my stories they write me about. Some even ask to have a story like that written for them. Of course, in the anonymous world of the world wide web, who knows if they really are women?
I'll bow out now and let the women speak for themselves.
Switch
> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:17:07 -0700
> Subject: What kind of porn do women enjoy reading?
> From: rew...@gmail.com
> To: storie...@googlegroups.com
The only thing I can say for sure is women enjoy romance novels. And erotic romance novels have become very popular with them. Just look at the popularity of Ellora's Cave and other e-publishers of Romantica.
I get emails more often than I would expect from women enjoying my stories. There's a lot of control, non-consent, and humiliation in some of my stories they write me about. Some even ask to have a story like that written for them. Of course, in the anonymous world of the world wide web, who knows if they really are women?
I'll bow out now and let the women speak for themselves.
Switch
> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:17:07 -0700
> Subject: What kind of porn do women enjoy reading?
> From: rew...@gmail.com
> To: storie...@googlegroups.com
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Zine
Apr 12, 2009, 6:08:36 AM4/12/09
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D'accord. I think that not only has the line blurred between
pornography and erotica, but between erotica and romance, especially.
So I think the catagory Romantica is very appropriate. I think that
looking for a book constrained to the old idea of Romance, the fade-to-
black thing (and the so-called classic happy ending), you'd be pretty
hard pressed to find.
Romantica is definitely tops, but Romance includes other sub-genres
than just period romance, such as science fiction. Werewolves and
vampires are popular themes, as you can see with Twilight. Thrillers
and Mysteries are popular. So is a BDSM element, but especially D/S.
Which one though, D or S, depends on the generation, I think --
younger women like the idea of being more dominant in and out of the
bedroom. Ordering the guy around, light spanking, fuzzy cuffs,
nothing too much, really, while older women seem to like the idea of
being seriously dominated, having all her decisions made for her --
that sweep me off my feet and just take me total submission thing.
Many like a side-order of humilition to go with it. But, the
courtship, the romance, the anticipation, the savoring, the
atmosphere, the sexual tension, the sensuality, the foreplay and
especially the sex play, all that has to be there. And don't forget
the five senses and fashion. But, none of that rules out the
occasional sponteneity or the need for variety.
Along with all that, I think it's important that male writers
understand that women *do* have fetishes. Some of them we don't think
of as fetishes, like silk and satin for the obvious reason, but also
because fetishes come in three different levels of effect. The lowest
is sexually stimulating, the next is sexually arousing, and the next
is the real fetish level where you can't have an orgasm unless this
fetish object is present. So, show me a woman who says that silk and
satin are not sexually stimulating, and I'll ask for a lie-detector
test. I don't know too many women who don't have a thing for scented
candles. There are many women for whom certain scents are stimulating
or even arousing, such as heavy flower scents or even pine needles.
And because of that, very few are going to trust you enough to tell
you, and give away a serious key to their treasure chest.
Probably the most common fetishes for women (in no particular order)
are: exhibitionism (believe it or not), hands, BDSM, D/S, piercings
(the younger generation), and leather/rubber/latex. But, believe it
or not, for every fetish you can think of, there is a woman out there
who has it. Women also can have partialism, which is a fixation for
one body part such as buns or feet. It's possible for a woman to not
be able to have an orgasm unless she can feel your butt. Women's
fetishes are not necessarily a mirror reflection of the usual men's
fetishes. Feet, for example, is a common foot fetish for a guy, while
hands are a common fetish for a woman. But, there *are* women who do
have foot fetishes. And, with fetishes, if you have one you often
have more than one.
So, why do I bring this up? Because most men are ignorant of the fact
that women in general do have fetishes and men writers tend to only
write about their own (male) fetishes or from a male's viewpoint.
Lots of women love to suck and lick and kiss and nibble and even chew
their partner's hands. How many of you male writers can honestly say
that you put that in your stories? How many have written about one of
their women characters liking to be watched while her and her partner
are having sex or having sex in public places with the chance of
getting caught? And not from a man's perspective, but from a
woman's. Ah, well, that's a problem, isn't it? Research is the
answer. Go to Black Lace, buy some best sellers there, read them.
That'll give you a much better idea than the opinions of four or five
women on what women in general like to read. If you think I'm going
to tell you what I personally like to read most, dream on.
~Zine
On Apr 11, 10:02 pm, Switch Blayde <switch_bla...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > What kind of porn do women enjoy reading?
>
> That's like asking what kind of porn do guys enjoy reading? Ask 10 people and you'll get 11 different answers.
>
> The only thing I can say for sure is women enjoy romance novels. And erotic romance novels have become very popular with them. Just look at the popularity of Ellora's Cave and other e-publishers of Romantica.
>
> I get emails more often than I would expect from women enjoying my stories. There's a lot of control, non-consent, and humiliation in some of my stories they write me about. Some even ask to have a story like that written for them. Of course, in the anonymous world of the world wide web, who knows if they really are women?
>
> I'll bow out now and let the women speak for themselves.
>
> Switch
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:17:07 -0700
> > Subject: What kind of porn do women enjoy reading?
> > From: rewd...@gmail.com
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pornography and erotica, but between erotica and romance, especially.
So I think the catagory Romantica is very appropriate. I think that
looking for a book constrained to the old idea of Romance, the fade-to-
black thing (and the so-called classic happy ending), you'd be pretty
hard pressed to find.
Romantica is definitely tops, but Romance includes other sub-genres
than just period romance, such as science fiction. Werewolves and
vampires are popular themes, as you can see with Twilight. Thrillers
and Mysteries are popular. So is a BDSM element, but especially D/S.
Which one though, D or S, depends on the generation, I think --
younger women like the idea of being more dominant in and out of the
bedroom. Ordering the guy around, light spanking, fuzzy cuffs,
nothing too much, really, while older women seem to like the idea of
being seriously dominated, having all her decisions made for her --
that sweep me off my feet and just take me total submission thing.
Many like a side-order of humilition to go with it. But, the
courtship, the romance, the anticipation, the savoring, the
atmosphere, the sexual tension, the sensuality, the foreplay and
especially the sex play, all that has to be there. And don't forget
the five senses and fashion. But, none of that rules out the
occasional sponteneity or the need for variety.
Along with all that, I think it's important that male writers
understand that women *do* have fetishes. Some of them we don't think
of as fetishes, like silk and satin for the obvious reason, but also
because fetishes come in three different levels of effect. The lowest
is sexually stimulating, the next is sexually arousing, and the next
is the real fetish level where you can't have an orgasm unless this
fetish object is present. So, show me a woman who says that silk and
satin are not sexually stimulating, and I'll ask for a lie-detector
test. I don't know too many women who don't have a thing for scented
candles. There are many women for whom certain scents are stimulating
or even arousing, such as heavy flower scents or even pine needles.
And because of that, very few are going to trust you enough to tell
you, and give away a serious key to their treasure chest.
Probably the most common fetishes for women (in no particular order)
are: exhibitionism (believe it or not), hands, BDSM, D/S, piercings
(the younger generation), and leather/rubber/latex. But, believe it
or not, for every fetish you can think of, there is a woman out there
who has it. Women also can have partialism, which is a fixation for
one body part such as buns or feet. It's possible for a woman to not
be able to have an orgasm unless she can feel your butt. Women's
fetishes are not necessarily a mirror reflection of the usual men's
fetishes. Feet, for example, is a common foot fetish for a guy, while
hands are a common fetish for a woman. But, there *are* women who do
have foot fetishes. And, with fetishes, if you have one you often
have more than one.
So, why do I bring this up? Because most men are ignorant of the fact
that women in general do have fetishes and men writers tend to only
write about their own (male) fetishes or from a male's viewpoint.
Lots of women love to suck and lick and kiss and nibble and even chew
their partner's hands. How many of you male writers can honestly say
that you put that in your stories? How many have written about one of
their women characters liking to be watched while her and her partner
are having sex or having sex in public places with the chance of
getting caught? And not from a man's perspective, but from a
woman's. Ah, well, that's a problem, isn't it? Research is the
answer. Go to Black Lace, buy some best sellers there, read them.
That'll give you a much better idea than the opinions of four or five
women on what women in general like to read. If you think I'm going
to tell you what I personally like to read most, dream on.
~Zine
On Apr 11, 10:02 pm, Switch Blayde <switch_bla...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > What kind of porn do women enjoy reading?
>
> That's like asking what kind of porn do guys enjoy reading? Ask 10 people and you'll get 11 different answers.
>
> The only thing I can say for sure is women enjoy romance novels. And erotic romance novels have become very popular with them. Just look at the popularity of Ellora's Cave and other e-publishers of Romantica.
>
> I get emails more often than I would expect from women enjoying my stories. There's a lot of control, non-consent, and humiliation in some of my stories they write me about. Some even ask to have a story like that written for them. Of course, in the anonymous world of the world wide web, who knows if they really are women?
>
> I'll bow out now and let the women speak for themselves.
>
> Switch
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:17:07 -0700
> > Subject: What kind of porn do women enjoy reading?
> > To: storie...@googlegroups.com
>
> > After much internal debate, I've decided to see if anyone else has
> > ever considered asking (or already HAS asked) this question.
>
> > What kind of porn do women enjoy reading?
>
> > Are there statistics regarding what *kind* of porn women enjoy
> > perusing?
>
> > Where would I (and others) find this sort of statistical database?
>
> > Are there any quick answers (ladies, please) that are bone fide
> > opinions and not conjecture from the male of the species?
>
> > Authors are welcome to interject, but only if they've done adequate
> > personal research and feel they can back up their claims.
>
> > Remember, this question is coming from the seed producing member of
> > the species, so take that into careful consideration.
>
> > Eliston.
>
> > <No, I'm not currently giggling>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
> > After much internal debate, I've decided to see if anyone else has
> > ever considered asking (or already HAS asked) this question.
>
> > What kind of porn do women enjoy reading?
>
> > Are there statistics regarding what *kind* of porn women enjoy
> > perusing?
>
> > Where would I (and others) find this sort of statistical database?
>
> > Are there any quick answers (ladies, please) that are bone fide
> > opinions and not conjecture from the male of the species?
>
> > Authors are welcome to interject, but only if they've done adequate
> > personal research and feel they can back up their claims.
>
> > Remember, this question is coming from the seed producing member of
> > the species, so take that into careful consideration.
>
> > Eliston.
>
> > <No, I'm not currently giggling>
>
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Zine
Apr 12, 2009, 6:32:58 AM4/12/09
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Oh. Statistically, Period Romantica with with a BDSM flavor is the
winner, the last time I checked around. Throw in a vampire with a
dungeon, a secret romance between him and the preacher's daughter,
give them each a couple fetishes, and you're good to go. :)) Pirates
are still very popular too. Arr, matey!
~Zine
winner, the last time I checked around. Throw in a vampire with a
dungeon, a secret romance between him and the preacher's daughter,
give them each a couple fetishes, and you're good to go. :)) Pirates
are still very popular too. Arr, matey!
~Zine
bondi beach
Apr 12, 2009, 9:59:01 AM4/12/09
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On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Rewdius <rew...@gmail.com> wrote:
After much internal debate, I've decided to see if anyone else has
ever considered asking (or already HAS asked) this question.
What kind of porn do women enjoy reading?
http://www.eharlequin.com/articlepage.html?articleId=1336&chapter=0
http://www.eharlequin.com/articlepage.html?articleId=1264&chapter=0
from the "spice briefs" writing guide:
"Authors should feel comfortable exploring any and all sexual scenarios, even ones considered "taboo," and should avoid using euphemisms in favor of the frank, graphic language typical of the erotica genre."
i think we can assume that they wouldn't stay in business if they didn't know "what women want."
bb
NaughtyShayna
Apr 12, 2009, 4:37:28 PM4/12/09
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On Apr 11, 10:17 pm, Rewdius <rewd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> After much internal debate, I've decided to see if anyone else has
> ever considered asking (or already HAS asked) this question.
>
> What kind of porn do women enjoy reading?
>
>
I haven't done anywhere near the same research that my sister in lust
Zine apparently has. I can only answer in terms of what I like and
dislike.
Likes:
1) Strangely (mabye) I'm not all that much into romance when I
am reading, or looking at, porn. There are other places I can go for
that. When I go to SOL, I'm looking for stimulation.
2) I like strong girls/women, not domineering, just in
control, whether the guys realize it or not.
3) I like coming-of-age stories. Most of the ones I have read
have been from the male point of view, which is interesting, but I
would like to find some about young girls just becoming aware of their
bodies. I mean stories written by women. I've read several of those
by men, and I'm not convinced that they get it. No guys, all tweener
girls are not fixated on the workings of the male penis. At least in
my memory, girls are more absorbed with what is going on in our own
bodies at that point in our lives. I think that is one reason why
many girls of that age experiment with lesbian activities (as opposed
to lesbianism).
4) I like spanking. And yes, I mean I like to be spanked, and
I like to read about it. What I am talking about is light, erotic
spanking, just warming up the buns so to speak, as an act of
foreplay. I hate most of the spanking and caning videos I have found
online, way too violent for me. Same thing with stories.
5) Come to think of it, I guess I like slow developing
stories, where you can get inside the characters heads before they get
into each other. One of my drawbacks as a writer is that I violate
that very rule, I always seem to be in too much of a hurry to get to
"the good parts", and often shortchange character development and
exposition. (Admitting that is the first step to fixing it, right?
Dislikes:
1) BDSM (see 4 above), and any kind of violence, especially
directed at women.
2) I think it goes without saying (but I'll say it anyway),
rape.
3) I prefer stories from a feminine point of view (duh!), no
matter who the writer is.
Well, I've gone on a lot longer than I intended to, so I'll end it
here. Happy Easter!
NoGoodNick
Apr 13, 2009, 7:18:56 PM4/13/09
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> Dislikes:
written by males or females) is the whole "slut factor". A man STILL
is seen as sexy if he has LOTS of partners, whereas females aren't. I
THINK writers feel they make their female leads have multiple romantic
male partners. Usually female oriented stoires all focus on a main
central romantic interest, whereas many "male" oriented stories have
multiple romantic interests (think "Pete:"). I'd like to see that
change, but haven't seen any examples of that. Also the overwhelming
fear of writing the dreaded (MM) code restricts overlapping male
interests.
As far as women liking exhibitionism, I think that's definitely a
generational thing. The late baby boomers ALL seem to have a real
fascination with it. I found I could have excellent experiences with
virtually ANY straight woman with a little of the ol' public
displays. ;D I think that particular fascination has also crossed over
most generations as well.
> 3) I prefer stories from a feminine point of view (duh!), no
> matter who the writer is.
I think the whole predominance of male centric stories (whether
> matter who the writer is.
written by males or females) is the whole "slut factor". A man STILL
is seen as sexy if he has LOTS of partners, whereas females aren't. I
THINK writers feel they make their female leads have multiple romantic
male partners. Usually female oriented stoires all focus on a main
central romantic interest, whereas many "male" oriented stories have
multiple romantic interests (think "Pete:"). I'd like to see that
change, but haven't seen any examples of that. Also the overwhelming
fear of writing the dreaded (MM) code restricts overlapping male
interests.
As far as women liking exhibitionism, I think that's definitely a
generational thing. The late baby boomers ALL seem to have a real
fascination with it. I found I could have excellent experiences with
virtually ANY straight woman with a little of the ol' public
displays. ;D I think that particular fascination has also crossed over
most generations as well.
bondi beach
Apr 13, 2009, 8:13:08 PM4/13/09
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:18 PM, NoGoodNick <NoGoo...@charter.net> wrote:
> Dislikes:
> 3) I prefer stories from a feminine point of view (duh!), noI think the whole predominance of male centric stories (whether
> matter who the writer is.
written by males or females) is the whole "slut factor". A man STILL
is seen as sexy if he has LOTS of partners, whereas females aren't. I
THINK writers feel they make their female leads have multiple romantic
male partners. Usually female oriented stoires all focus on a main
central romantic interest, whereas many "male" oriented stories have
um, times may be changing. from the description of "Menage on a Train," a spice briefs e-novella from harlequin:
"Cass Weston hated the idea of joining the mile high club. After all, who wanted to grope in a crowded airplane bathroom when you could have the erotic trip of a lifetime on a luxury train through the Eastern European mountains? Especially when the journey boasted a long, dark tunnel that provided the perfect opportunity for sex with a stranger. Make that strangers. The man Cass set her sights on also had a friend without a partner of his own. Lucky for them that Cass is up for a little adventure.... "
i'm pretty sure those harlequin folks know their customers ...
bb
rache
Apr 14, 2009, 12:06:12 AM4/14/09
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I was going to leave this alone, since it's a question repeated over
and over throughout the internet...But what the heck.
Does anyone really enjoy porn? I mean, sure, get enough people
together and you'll find someone who will enjoy anything, but...for
the average, well-adjusted person, male or female, is porn enjoyable?
I don't read it myself, unless I write it and then I don't have much
choice. I've always regarded porn fiction and images/movies as a
crutch for people who require some sort of external jump-start to fire
their imaginations. Porn is like a dildo. I mean, yeah, it can be
sorta fun and enjoyable, but it isn't the dildo I like. I don't marvel
at its construction, or the ability of the device to stimulate any
particular place on my body. I use it like a tool. It's a hammer for
my clit, but my mind is a million miles away.
So my question is whether the person reading it and presumably getting
off on it, as I can envision no other reason to indulge, is really
enjoying the story, or rather enjoying the efforts of their own
imagination to interpret it. Perhaps that's kind of a moot point, but
if I read erotica, something like Anais Nin, there's beauty there
beneath the printed words. Her construction, her choices and reasons,
her skill is where the pleasure resides. I can appreciate the sex and
the sensuality of her prose and come away from the experience feeling
enriched by it. Such stories add something to my life. Porn, I think,
adds nothing that didn't pre-exist within me already.
Anyway, this is off the top of my head and probably poorly expressed.
I know what the question is and my answer is that I don't read porn
unless I want to make fun of it. I'm sure many, many women enjoy all
kinds of porn and they like that Easy-Off rush from cleaning their
ovens too. The rest of us...We're boring.
rache
ps -I really wanted a better comparison, but "...it's a hammer for my
clit." just rolls off the tongue, so I left it for aesthetic reasons.
I don't actually use a dildo that way. Usually. Mostly. Uh...never
mind.
and over throughout the internet...But what the heck.
Does anyone really enjoy porn? I mean, sure, get enough people
together and you'll find someone who will enjoy anything, but...for
the average, well-adjusted person, male or female, is porn enjoyable?
I don't read it myself, unless I write it and then I don't have much
choice. I've always regarded porn fiction and images/movies as a
crutch for people who require some sort of external jump-start to fire
their imaginations. Porn is like a dildo. I mean, yeah, it can be
sorta fun and enjoyable, but it isn't the dildo I like. I don't marvel
at its construction, or the ability of the device to stimulate any
particular place on my body. I use it like a tool. It's a hammer for
my clit, but my mind is a million miles away.
So my question is whether the person reading it and presumably getting
off on it, as I can envision no other reason to indulge, is really
enjoying the story, or rather enjoying the efforts of their own
imagination to interpret it. Perhaps that's kind of a moot point, but
if I read erotica, something like Anais Nin, there's beauty there
beneath the printed words. Her construction, her choices and reasons,
her skill is where the pleasure resides. I can appreciate the sex and
the sensuality of her prose and come away from the experience feeling
enriched by it. Such stories add something to my life. Porn, I think,
adds nothing that didn't pre-exist within me already.
Anyway, this is off the top of my head and probably poorly expressed.
I know what the question is and my answer is that I don't read porn
unless I want to make fun of it. I'm sure many, many women enjoy all
kinds of porn and they like that Easy-Off rush from cleaning their
ovens too. The rest of us...We're boring.
rache
ps -I really wanted a better comparison, but "...it's a hammer for my
clit." just rolls off the tongue, so I left it for aesthetic reasons.
I don't actually use a dildo that way. Usually. Mostly. Uh...never
mind.
Deadly Ernest
Apr 14, 2009, 9:09:18 AM4/14/09
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Ahh, my friend,
This depends upon what you call porn. There's some outright porn
stroke stories I've read, I rarely finish them, but I read a lot of
erotic stories - that is good stories that just happen to include some
graphic sex scenes. Most of what cmsix, Dorsai, and a few others write
are in this category. I quite often end up skipping over the sex
scenes just to get back to the action - OK, I'm weird. If they write a
good story that has sex scenes in it, I don't call it porn. To me,
porn is simply a bunch of sex scenes loosely stitched together.
And, to answer the question - No I don't read or watch porn, as per my
definition above.
Ernest
This depends upon what you call porn. There's some outright porn
stroke stories I've read, I rarely finish them, but I read a lot of
erotic stories - that is good stories that just happen to include some
graphic sex scenes. Most of what cmsix, Dorsai, and a few others write
are in this category. I quite often end up skipping over the sex
scenes just to get back to the action - OK, I'm weird. If they write a
good story that has sex scenes in it, I don't call it porn. To me,
porn is simply a bunch of sex scenes loosely stitched together.
And, to answer the question - No I don't read or watch porn, as per my
definition above.
Ernest
Switch Blayde
Apr 14, 2009, 10:29:56 AM4/14/09
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> If they write a good story that has sex scenes in it, I don't call it porn.
Thank you, Ernest. That was the point I was trying to make way back in the "erotica vs. porn" thread when I said I write erotica and not porn (at the time, some said there was no difference).
And Rache said, "Perhaps that's kind of a moot point, but if I read erotica, something like Anais Nin, there's beauty there beneath the printed words." So she was explicitly addressing porn or what you call "To me, porn is simply a bunch of sex scenes loosely stitched together." I believe the word "porn" in this thread name is supposed to be "erotica or porn."
Switch
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:09:18 -0700
> Subject: Re: What kind of porn do women enjoy reading?
> From: ernest....@gmail.com
> To: storie...@googlegroups.com
And Rache said, "Perhaps that's kind of a moot point, but if I read erotica, something like Anais Nin, there's beauty there beneath the printed words." So she was explicitly addressing porn or what you call "To me, porn is simply a bunch of sex scenes loosely stitched together." I believe the word "porn" in this thread name is supposed to be "erotica or porn."
Switch
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:09:18 -0700
> Subject: Re: What kind of porn do women enjoy reading?
> From: ernest....@gmail.com
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The Black Knight
Apr 14, 2009, 11:45:26 AM4/14/09
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Switch Blayde allegedly wrote:
> I believe the word "porn" in this thread name is supposed to
> be "erotica or porn."
Maybe.
> I believe the word "porn" in this thread name is supposed to
> be "erotica or porn."
Then again, I make the distinction a little differently... as a great
example, just-this-guy's stuff is what I'd consider porn. Quirky porn,
admittedly, but pretty much its farcical treatments of cliched porn
movie 'plots'. Quite enjoyable reading on occasion... slightly more
fattening - but not as likely to cause tooth decay - than a Frank
Downey story, but a similarly welcome variation on the reading
material.
So there is 'worthwhile porn'... pure stroke stories are more the
equivalent of gonzo videos.
And to touch on a point Shayna made... actually, given the prevalence
of rape fantasy among females, it didn't really go without saying.
just-this-guy
Apr 14, 2009, 12:26:34 PM4/14/09
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> Quite enjoyable reading on occasion..
Such as March 16th, 2006, May 2nd, 2007, and October 11th, 2008 (heh!)
Such as March 16th, 2006, May 2nd, 2007, and October 11th, 2008 (heh!)
The Black Knight
Apr 14, 2009, 1:11:50 PM4/14/09
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anything are the stories 'Second Cake' (admittedly amusing) 'The
Contest: Seven in Seven' (never read it) and 'Tits' (again, didn't
read it)... I thought it might be review-related, but those were even
more off...
I suspect jtg is just trying for more confusing non-sequitors.
just-this-guy
Apr 14, 2009, 1:19:13 PM4/14/09
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> I suspect jtg is just trying for more confusing non-sequitors.
You're likely right, but I know your history.
I didn't bother to check if the dates were close to anything.
If I'm forced to be (semi) serious, I don't put much credence in their
being a difference between erotica and porn.
Most modern movies these days have one or two scenes where the
protaganist does the Tone Loc Wild Thing. The scense are much more
explicit than in the past. They are nothing compared to triple-X
rated stuff, but generally they are inserted for the sake of having
nudity and sexuality. It's basically a "porn" scene in the middle of
a movie - and often kills the movie momentum.
Finally, Donald Duck doesn't wear pants.
rache
Apr 14, 2009, 10:06:18 PM4/14/09
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On Apr 14, 10:19 am, just-this-guy <just-this-...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> If I'm forced to be (semi) serious, I don't put much credence in their
> being a difference between erotica and porn.
> It's basically a "porn" scene in the middle of
> a movie - and often kills the movie momentum.
So...Why don't you call it "...basically an erotic scene in the middle
> a movie - and often kills the movie momentum.
of a movie..." ??
I never really believed in a difference either, but I think I do now.
I think I'll go with my basic and flawed definition that porn adds
nothing of personal significance to the experience of viewing it. Like
a wasted sex scene in a movie, or plot-irrelevant stroke scenes I skip
so that I can read and enjoy a story. Now, some stories, like several
of JTG's, aren't porn by my definition because I find the humor
enjoyable. An experience doesn't have to be deep, meaningful and life
changing, it just has to offer me something new and valuable and that
qualification is by definition a subjective response by the
individual...One girl's porn is another man's Shakespeare.
By the way, love the "Clothed In School" thing, you should have come
out with that two weeks ago. I just finished writing over a 100K words
for "Naked In School" ...I'm sorely tempted to scrap the whole thing
and start from scratch! But my editor would probably kill me :))
Best always,
rache
Rewdius
Apr 19, 2009, 9:42:11 PM4/19/09
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So, is it possible that I blundered by using the term 'porn' in the
title?
How about if I had used 'adult erotica', or 'sexual fantasy' instead?
My desire in originally posting this was to gain a much more realistic
awareness of what women enjoy reading without anyone feeling
apprehensive or nervous about their admissions. There's no jury here,
nor do I have any desire to chastise anyone for their tastes. My
interest is in attempting to focus my thoughts and writings toward the
female side of the coin, since I've been told time and time again that
my stories are written from a man's perspective, and solely for a
man's entertainment.
Rather than assume a female sounding nom de plume and 'lie' to
everyone that I was a woman, I'd like to take the direct approach and
ask in front of the class, even if it makes me look foolish or
clueless -- and to put a fine point on it, YES, I *am* clueless,
otherwise I wouldn't be asking!
There are lots of talented writers on SOL that can write from a
woman's perspective, or possibly help a female reader enjoy a story
because she feels comfortable with the surroundings and the tone.
It's possible that particular author can stretch themselves mentally
and assume an awareness of the opposite gender because of personal
observation, the innate ability to empathize with the opposite sex, or
just because their bloody talented.
Well, I have to admit that I'm not able to stretch my abilities beyond
my life experiences (in terms of being a male -- not stripping the
clothes off lots of little girls), I can't assume any significant
knowledge of the opposite gender because I have my hands full taking
care of my *own* problems right now (and also because women are
incredibly complicated), do NOT have the innate ability to empathize
with anyone because I can't read minds, and I'm not as talented as
lots of other authors on SOL are.
I know this may not be the best place to ask this question or attempt
to gain specific knowledge of this subject, but I have a rather
restricted subset of people that I can ask and don't normally walk up
to random women at the mall and ask them what kind of adult erotic
fiction they enjoy reading.
I hope this makes more sense.
Eliston.
title?
How about if I had used 'adult erotica', or 'sexual fantasy' instead?
My desire in originally posting this was to gain a much more realistic
awareness of what women enjoy reading without anyone feeling
apprehensive or nervous about their admissions. There's no jury here,
nor do I have any desire to chastise anyone for their tastes. My
interest is in attempting to focus my thoughts and writings toward the
female side of the coin, since I've been told time and time again that
my stories are written from a man's perspective, and solely for a
man's entertainment.
Rather than assume a female sounding nom de plume and 'lie' to
everyone that I was a woman, I'd like to take the direct approach and
ask in front of the class, even if it makes me look foolish or
clueless -- and to put a fine point on it, YES, I *am* clueless,
otherwise I wouldn't be asking!
There are lots of talented writers on SOL that can write from a
woman's perspective, or possibly help a female reader enjoy a story
because she feels comfortable with the surroundings and the tone.
It's possible that particular author can stretch themselves mentally
and assume an awareness of the opposite gender because of personal
observation, the innate ability to empathize with the opposite sex, or
just because their bloody talented.
Well, I have to admit that I'm not able to stretch my abilities beyond
my life experiences (in terms of being a male -- not stripping the
clothes off lots of little girls), I can't assume any significant
knowledge of the opposite gender because I have my hands full taking
care of my *own* problems right now (and also because women are
incredibly complicated), do NOT have the innate ability to empathize
with anyone because I can't read minds, and I'm not as talented as
lots of other authors on SOL are.
I know this may not be the best place to ask this question or attempt
to gain specific knowledge of this subject, but I have a rather
restricted subset of people that I can ask and don't normally walk up
to random women at the mall and ask them what kind of adult erotic
fiction they enjoy reading.
I hope this makes more sense.
Eliston.
Deadly Ernest
Apr 19, 2009, 10:06:37 PM4/19/09
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G'day,
this and the original question make sense, they always make sense, not
sure I can say the same about many of the replies.
Ernest
this and the original question make sense, they always make sense, not
sure I can say the same about many of the replies.
Ernest
Zine
Apr 19, 2009, 11:31:38 PM4/19/09
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In light of all that, then I think what you're really asking for is a
how-to on writing women's erotica (heterosexual) or lesbian erotica,
both of which should convey sex from a woman's view point and perhaps
feature women's sexual fantasies, and which stories usually include
all sorts of topics from relationships to fetishes?
As always, I can't wait to see who the first man is going to be to
step forward and pontificate on that women's issue, or, in this case,
who the first woman is going to be to step foward and share her
fantasies with the world, should you ask that question. Sounds like a
posting record-breaker waiting to happen.
Always a proponent of doing one's own homework, I'd suggest you visit
Black Lace, Ellora's Cave, the black label lines from Harlequin,
Kensington and Avon, and perhaps look up Cleis Press' annual *Best
Women's Erotica*, if it's still in print. Presumably already knowing
the male's perspective, the gender-opposite elements should stand out
like sore... thumbs. Who knows? They may even arouse your purient
interests; wouldn't that be scary? :))
~Zine
<always one of the first ones to tease or give a straight answer, or
both>
> > > <No, I'm not currently giggling>- Hide quoted text -
how-to on writing women's erotica (heterosexual) or lesbian erotica,
both of which should convey sex from a woman's view point and perhaps
feature women's sexual fantasies, and which stories usually include
all sorts of topics from relationships to fetishes?
As always, I can't wait to see who the first man is going to be to
step forward and pontificate on that women's issue, or, in this case,
who the first woman is going to be to step foward and share her
fantasies with the world, should you ask that question. Sounds like a
posting record-breaker waiting to happen.
Always a proponent of doing one's own homework, I'd suggest you visit
Black Lace, Ellora's Cave, the black label lines from Harlequin,
Kensington and Avon, and perhaps look up Cleis Press' annual *Best
Women's Erotica*, if it's still in print. Presumably already knowing
the male's perspective, the gender-opposite elements should stand out
like sore... thumbs. Who knows? They may even arouse your purient
interests; wouldn't that be scary? :))
~Zine
<always one of the first ones to tease or give a straight answer, or
both>
bondi beach
Apr 20, 2009, 2:58:11 AM4/20/09
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On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Zine <mlle.eu...@gmail.com> wrote:
In light of all that, then I think what you're really asking for is a
how-to on writing women's erotica (heterosexual) or lesbian erotica,
both of which should convey sex from a woman's view point and perhaps
feature women's sexual fantasies, and which stories usually include
all sorts of topics from relationships to fetishes?
As always, I can't wait to see who the first man is going to be to
step forward and pontificate on that women's issue, or, in this case,
who the first woman is going to be to step foward and share her
fantasies with the world, should you ask that question. Sounds like a
posting record-breaker waiting to happen.
Always a proponent of doing one's own homework, I'd suggest you visit
Black Lace, Ellora's Cave, the black label lines from Harlequin,
Kensington and Avon, and perhaps look up Cleis Press' annual *Best
Women's Erotica*, if it's still in print. Presumably already knowing
the male's perspective, the gender-opposite elements should stand out
like sore... thumbs. Who knows? They may even arouse your purient
interests; wouldn't that be scary? :))
i think the annual women's erotica series is still being published, plus there's a bunch of other compilations by and for women.
there's other stuff as well, from the nancy friday "secret garden" books to lonnie barbach's 1980s compilations, plus --- wait for it --- magazines such as men's health, which includes columns from "the girl next door," and other women. there's no erotica, or even porn, but lots of stuff about what women are hoping for, looking for, expecting, etc., some of which certainly sparks my prurient, er, i mean, imagination.
and i know this is really kinky, but i even ask my spouse sometimes, although she's not much of an erotica reader.
bb
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