I mean they have a level nine chant that summons a dragon so that's pretty kickass. But kickass doesn't paint the whole picture. A single class is always going to have access to higher level abilities that a multi class character won't and as such you'll have to adjust accordingly. I hate to tread on the "It's How You Use It" ground but that's really where I stand on the matter. If you want to utilize more than one type of ability then multi classing shouldn't be an issue and the opposite is true for single class.
But with the nerf hammer coming soon I think it might be wise to prepare ourselves for readjustment. One patch can invalidate a swath of strategies. And depending on how big a hammer Josh decides to use we all might be careful about a long term commitment. Just my two cents!
For me chanter as single class has problem with being quite passive in battles (compared to other classes)
You have no abilities besides chants (passives) and invocation (which you don't really cast that often)
I know there's a subclass can get phrases by critting, which in some cases makes the class more active.
It doesn't apeal to me to play such class.
Using him for multiclassing is different story, you take just few things you want and you can really customize your character using some of his options. Being it charms, buffs, summons, cc.
Some chants should be buffed, cuz most of them are not good. But with PL VII you allready get the Animated Weapons Summon, what are stronger than the Level IX Dragon and the Invocation with the Brilliance Aura. So a Multiclass with Paladin or better Fighter is maybe stronger than a pure Chanter.
Chanter are extremely potent because unlike most other multiclasses they get to multitask. They sacrifice very little in terms of action economy. Unlike a wizard/cypher as a random example who has to decide if he's going to attack for focus, or cast, and if casting what he's going to cast from what pool. If he's casting ringleader he can't be casting minoletta's concussive missiles, etc. Chanters? They just keep singing and spend resource maybe if they need to. And that's quick unless it's a summon, generally.
also big issue - how many casts can you get off in a combat encounters, I used chanter (multiclassed) it got off 2 cast in whole fight usually. 3 in long fights. more only in big boss fights (and that only in some)
Single class chanter might be fun solo where combat takes long (it was really strong for solo in POE), but in deadfire combat is faster than in POE if played in group, he won't do much compared to other more active classes.
Arcane Skill is a thing, and Chanters can't do anything else while waiting for Chants to build. As you said They can auto-attack, and imho casting scrolls > auto attack. They are probably the best single class to use Scrolls with, and possibly grenades too even though they dont get natural bonuses to Explosives at CC. You can dump scrolls or grenades while you wait. Add in gear with casting abilities, and you have things to do, and using these things doesnt clash with any ability usage. Auto attack vs sunbeam or Maelstrom? No contest.
Yea that is true. But I'm one of those ppl who tend to never use potions, scrolls and other one off stuff in games like these, unless it's a really my last option. (I guess I just hoard all the stuff and never use it, I feel rich then or something, not sure tbh :D )
So yea for my gameplaye style (no consumables) single class chanter is boring. Just compare it to swashbuckler that thing can use 10 abilites before chanter uses 2 and it's all over the place jumping around. What a fun character to play. Combat can be so mobile now and you wanna sit in a corner and sing?
I am talking about those cast 1 per rest/encounter pieces of gear though. They arent really overpowered compared to most of the other stuff you could have. Not talking about anything that procs on crit or the like.
(spoilers) 8.1. Still Charmed and Kicking -- C4, Sunday 16 July 2006 The Charmed Ones have faked their own deaths, attended their own funerals, and must now accustom themselves to a life of normality. But not everyone is convinced they are dead, Paige is getting ring-tones from a new charge, and there's a new kick-ass witch on the block. [A curiously lack-lustre episode, which spends too much time agonising over the transition back to normality.]
The sisters are still trying to decide what to do with their new lives, and discovering freedom isn't all it's cracked up to be. Suspicious demons lay a trap to lure the Charmed Ones into the open. But the new witch, Billie, falls into it instead, so the sisters have to rescue her. She recognises them as the Charmed Ones, and bargains to keep their secret if they teach her everything about magic.
Piper is arrested for murder: she chose the wrong new identity. As her sisters attempt to find the real murderer, Piper discovers that she is an innocent. They must work to expose the true murderer. meanwhile, Phoebe has a premonition of an earthquake at Dex's art show.
Piper is feeling inadequate as Wyatt needs costumes for a school play. Billie and Leo discover the demons in Magic School have kidnapped Wyatt in order to resurrect the Source. The sisters have to rescue them, and re-vanquish the source.
Billie is observed using her powers to save an innocent. In contrition, she tries to help Phoebe and Dex's love life, which ends up with them married. Billie lays a guilt trip on the sisters, so they help her vanquish the demon. They decide they want their old lives back, so remove the cloaking spell. They get a new ally in Homeland Security to say they were in a witness protection scheme. Phoebe has to show Dex her new form.
The press are hounding the newly returned sisters, trying to discover what their (cover) story is. Billie is having difficulty vanquishing a demon, because she keeps having flashbacks to when her sister was kidnapped by one. Phoebe thinks she might be pregnant, but is having trouble talking to Dax. And Leo and Piper are having a marital spat. Paige demands help from the Elders, who tell her to show the Press how ordinary they are, so they'll get bored.
A demon has been trapping people in photographs to cause anguish to their families. When one trapped in 1953 is released after his father finally dies, he manages to escape. But he is a future white-lighter, in the charge of Paige's father Sam. Sam asks for help, but Paige is unforgiving, until Sam gets trapped by the demon. Paige "calls" to her father, releasing him, and all the other trapped souls. Meanwhile, a magical marriage counsellor causes Piper and Leo to swap bodies, to help them through their problems.
Billie puts on a magic belt that gives her superpowers, but it could lead her to destroying all men. The sisters must find out how to remove it before it drives Billie mad. But a demon is planning to use it to destroy her rival. Meanwhile, Paige must keep a new charge on the right side of his parole officer.
The sisters are asked by Agent Brodie to track down a demon, and are surprised by its strength, but it then dies. Billie, scouting Magic School for news of her kidnapped sister, is slightly wounded by another demon, who later also develops strange strength, then dies. The Elders explain that a virus is loose, infecting all magical creatures. Billie falls sick. The sisters discover this is all due to a failed government experiment, and deliberately infect themselves to track down "patient X", who is immune to the infection. Meanwhile Paige is left holding a baby, and Phoebe has the premonition of her daughter again.
Piper sees the Angel of Death; he says he has come for Leo. Pipe desperately tries to save Leo, even asking the Elders and Avatars why he has to die. Eventually, she summons the Angel of Fortune -- who says Leo must die so that the pain of his loss allows the sisters to fight a final tremendous battle. meanwhile, Billie is hunting the demon who took her sister. She finds a freezing demon who knows something, but before she can get the information out of him, the sisters appear, saying they have made a deal, and need his help to freeze Leo. Leo will be returned only if they win the battle. The demon helps, but is then vanquished by whoever wants to keep Billie from her sister.
Billie's parents come to stay, still in denial about her sister, abducted by a demon 15 years earlier. Billie accidentally transforms them into a pair of assassins. A demon plot to take over a powerful company exploits this, by hiring them to assassinate the company's current president. Billie discovers that her parents have been searching for her sister, but keeping the news from her. Piper saves the day by making a public confession, disguised as the real killer. Billie works out how to transform her parents back, and they are reconciled.
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