I want to know why? We have no bad software or installs or anything
that would indicate a need to ban people from viewing our site. And
upon trying to find the reason behind it, the site offered no help at
all other than being vague about the how to "create" a proper site.
We've been waiting for three hours now with no response from Google or
StopBadWare on this issue.
How did this happen? Anyone care to offer any explination as to how we
even ended up getting to this point? After looking through the vast
list of websites that have been implicated previously, I can can
clearly tell that most of them are a porn site or some other category
that an education service center wouldn't even show up as.....again
what i am complaining about is the system, i do approve of taking
action against websites that do promote badware, and if i only knew
before that this website of mine spread badware, i would have stopped
So, how come i could not find this ? simply the advertising is
Geo-Targetted, and it does not show because i am out of the geographic
area it displays.
HOPE such POSTs will RING A BELL at google / stopbadware ......
P.S> DONT TRY TO SEND eMAILS to stopbadware , they WILL NOT RESPOND
YOU. I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THE RESPONSE FROM PAST 45 DAYS.
One would think there would be some sort of response system that
"actually" worked and I can only hope that you've given me the right
One shouldn't be able to make up some false story about a site having
bad software on it and be able to get them banded so easily. Sounds to
me they and Google will be dealing with many lawsuits in the months to
come. No matter how big they may be.
I can only be thankful that we're an education service center and not
loosing an enormous about of money from being blacklisted for no reason.
1. How does one appeal a site that has been banned or blacklisted, or
whatever it would be called?
2. WHY NO PHONE NUMBER!?!?!?!
3. Why does google not supply a link on the page for user to just
continue to the site....now people have to copy and paste the link
instead which is rediculas....
4. Expand your website Guidelines to give more specific examples....are
we not allowed to use AJAX, or IFRAMES, or what things shouldn't we
use.... at least then we can figure out what things would or more
importantly would not be causing the problem... At this point I have
no idea because of the vague discription in this section as to what
would possibly be causing the reasons behind getting banned.
On our site there is NOTHING that even remotely checks off as even
maybe to the checklist provided:
Host or distribute badware directly on their site;
Automatically redirect to a website that hosts or distributes badware;
Link to executable files that are badware, whether hosted on their site
or another site;
Link to another website that automatically attempts to install badware
by exploit onto the user's computer;
Contain substantial links (either in nature or number) to other
website(s) that predominantly host or distribute badware.
So we're all baffled as to the reason why.
I agree Matt. This is BY FAR the most unprofessional "service" I have
seen to date. My site is listed for no reason. There is no way to find
out why or when or how to get OFF THE LIST. As far as I am concerned
this is a huge disservice and my faith in Google has taken a severe
hit. They say they'll get back to me within 10 days. We'll see.
Anybody found how to speed up the appeal process?
I appealed on 27th Dec, 2006, but not response as of today Jan 10, 2007
What else can we do?
Appreciate any suggestions from you.
in 2-3 days I removed all those badware from my servers and wrote to
appeals email approx middle of august 06.
I sent them something like 10 emails trying to understand, after
removing the badware, what was the problem and why my site was still
listed on google with that interstitial.
response: you link to a site that distributes badware.
I wrote again and again to ask which were the links they did not not
like, no response. or better: is my responsability to find you what's
wrong on my site.
oh yes, you're completely right, but the question is: if you find
something that I was not able to discover why don't you tell me that ?
I'm here to cooperate, but if you don't give me the chance it's
impossible to be 100% compliant.
after 5 months of appeals I decided to stop writing to appeals.
it's a waste of time.
why G should remove the interstitial ?
the less people visit my site, the more click on the ads and you know
the rest of the story...
KEEP RINGIN UNTIL google.com WAKES>>>
for mcafee are malicious or contain badware but for google those that
pay have not badware.
I can also tell you that few weeks ago they listed one of the biggest
portals in italy for few hours, but.. the big guys have good lawyers
and... suddenly their listing disappeared.
it's only a matter of money.
Dude, you need to learn how to read carefully. The info is 2 clicks
> 2. WHY NO PHONE NUMBER!?!?!?!
Dude, you need to learn how to read carefully. The info is 2 clicks
> 3. Why does google not supply a link on the page for user to just
> continue to the site....now people have to copy and paste the link
> instead which is rediculas....
Because much badware self-installs via browser security holes.
You are right that info is 2 clicks away (as asked by Mr.
But man what you dont know is that even we know that there is a link
and in that link they have described how to appeal but NO ONE RESPONDS
TO THAT APPEAL.. thats why mattblatchley has asked how one does
appeal(WHICH WORKS) for a site that has been banned???
I wish your site never gets blacklisted for NO REASONS like ours has
When this flag appears, information on the appeal process is included
there as well.
We are looking at providing more information in webmaster tools, such
as example URLs from the site.
Matt, in the case of your site, take a look at this URL:
(I've added a space in the URL so that it's not clickable, since
visiting the page can infect your computer.)
Specifically take a look at this portion of the page:
Hope this helps.
LOL! Always the clueless that kick up the most dust. I trust you feel a
bit dumb at this point, Matt?
Use skype? http://www.skype.com
Anyone that causes so much ruckus and doesn't know the content of their
website deserves to be ostracized. You must understand that *this* is
_exactly_ the problem. If webmasters knew what they were doing, there
would be little need for stop badware. As is, doofuses will keep us all
in business for the long run.
and what about yahoo, and a couple for italian SEs that for sure links
to sites that host badware ?
why yahoo, virgilio and libero are not in that 412 sites list ?
why my site instead is listed as one that distribuites badware and that
is not true, because I removed all exes months ago ?
I already made this question, but no reply... do you have any idea
artie about why small sites are listed and big boys are not ? just a
matter of lawyers ?
the big guys that can afford big lawyers can host, distribuite, link to
badware. losers with 1000 visits per day are not authorized to, because
stopbadware says not.
why yahoo, virgilio and libero are not listed in your 412 sites list ??
you found me distribuiting badware with a small 200 sites list and you
cannot find badware in zillion listing directories ?
It would of interest to see what the diff in rating logics are.
My rushed view of this site shows no evidence of bad downloads, spam,
Let us know if you get a re-review from Google.
(as reported via podcast http://take2.greenbush.us)
When I saw your MindPowerIndia.com site, it looks like a 3rd rated
infomercial site. If a sane person looks at your site they sure will
think that you are trying to rip them off. Why dont you get some
professional help for making the site looks like a decent store front ?
I'm not sure if the late night infomercial style has made the
stopbadware to add your site to their list.
I hope the stopbadware people remove your site from their list.
This is the first time I have seen this. It's a very interesting
concept. I too question the methods of determining who gets blocked and
who doesn't. But, I can understand how it would have to be a very
The only thing I could see in the source code for Matt's site
(greebush.org) that might flag this, would be the use of "girlpic.gif"
for an img src . Tell me "It ain't so!"!!! 'Course, I have gone very
deep into that site.
My question to Erica or whomever with StopBadware, is if something is
found very deep into the site or, on a linked site, would the whole
site be 'flagged' . Or, just the page that the problem resides on?
For crying out loud, did you not read Vanessa's post to this thread?
I'm suspecting a Rule 1 infection, "Willful Ignorance" variant.
Shhhheeeeesssss. Elvey! You need to chill out a bit. Or, maybe just
grow up a bit. Comments like yours, tend to just inflame people. I am
curious, are you a google representative?
I see that I have misstyped in my post. Sorry. Should have been "I
haven't gone very deep into the site."
This is all new to me and I do think I mentioned that. Also, some
things get missed in reading posts. A lot of times, such as this, it
doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Hence, my question. The blockage was
on the main site url.
Sorry if I got you all agitated.
Google's alerts (like others') are site-based, not URL-based. Which is
appropriate. It's a site admin's responsibility to keep the entire
site badware free. If a whole site gets blocked due to one piece of
badware on one page, that's entirely the site admin's fault. If it
takes stopbadware a while to unlist the site, it's still the site
admin's fault; they fucked up, not google or stopbadware.
Actually, perhaps stop badware should list/warn against use of any
other sites on the same server or IP as the listed site as well. What
do you think of that?
It's folks crying wolf that make it hard to get Google's attention when
there really is a bug, I think.
Too funny. :) You must be a comedian. I apologize for taking you
serious on your answer to my serious question. No harm.
And, I liked your 'Poor Larry' bit. Hilarious!
Oh, BTW, there really is no excuse for rude or hostile. Not even
To the serious,
Seriously, having looked at the page that was mentioned to have been an
issue. It seems to have been rectified. So, this site in question will
remain on the 'block' list for how long?
And Rich, you have to wonder about the "Big Brother" syndrome. ;)
Is Google Falsely Flagging Harmless Sites?
Web site operators say Google is mistakenly warning users that visiting
some sites in search results may be dangerous.
Appeals Possible, but Slow
Google's interstitial warning page contains a link to StopBadware.org,
a project designed to study legal and technical issues concerning
spyware, adware, and other malicious software.
StopBadware.org is run by Harvard Law School's Berkman Center for
Internet and Society, Oxford University's Internet Institute, and
vendor partners such as Google, Sun Microsystems, and Lenovo.
full article: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,128509/article.html
"After testing your site in response to the email that you sent to
app...@stopbadware.org, we have made a preliminary determination that
your site appears to no longer host or distribute badware. We have
informed Google of this finding, and they will conduct their own
testing on your site. Google makes its own determinations about whether
to remove any interstitial pages it has posted; however, in our
experience, whenever we have reported to Google that we found a site to
be free of badware at the time of our review and their own follow-up
testing confirms our results, the interstitial page has been promptly
removed. If Google does remove the interstitial page that is currently
being served for your site, they will advise us. On the other hand, if
Google's separate, independent testing finds that there is still
badware present on your site, then they will inform us of that
Today, I tried the keywords(though it has also affected site's ranking)
and found that the so called "interstitial page" NO LONGER EXISTS....
phewwww .... finally our website is back on TRACK .... I suspect that I
had lost billion dollars since then hahaha :-)