Sponsored Ads on this Site- possible adware/malware links?

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hardcandy

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Jan 25, 2006, 5:44:59 AM1/25/06
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I realize Google is one of the sponsors and I have no problem with
having sponsored ads on this site. I do have a concern about WHICH ads
appear on this site. I see a number of "spyware" tools/programs being
advertised, is anyone verifying these are legitimate programs that
work, or could some of them potentially be "adware" or "malware" links
themselves?

LilBambi

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Jan 25, 2006, 5:56:47 AM1/25/06
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Excellent point. Even if a visitor can use Eric L. Howes' Rogue Spyware
List from SpywareWarrior.com to find out whether any of them are
undesireable, it would be much better if, Google as one of the
sponsors, would filter the ads that would appear.

Many folks that will be visiting will be trying to figure out why their
computer is acting the way it is. They don't need the possibility that
something that appears on the very same page as help items, might be
something that could potentially be harmful or deceptive.

Perfect_Dark

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Jan 25, 2006, 7:53:33 AM1/25/06
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Never take anything from these web site's links best to buy a magazine
for pc's
Lots of them come with disc packed with that sort of stuff and it has
been checked by the magazines editors as safe to use

Also if use firefox as browser you can easily get rid of the add's down
the side of google page.

hardcandy

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Jan 25, 2006, 8:18:18 AM1/25/06
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But will the average user realize not to click on the links. Would they
not think, "Well, this is a site about getting rid of spyware, so these
links should be legitimate" ?
After thinking about it, the main web page and this page all have ad
links, if you want to avoid an appearance of favoring certain
programs/companies, I would submit Google needs to get rid of all ads
on the site, be neutral.
And some of the links do lead to adware companies. Also, they all set
cookies.

Perfect_Dark

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Jan 25, 2006, 9:48:24 AM1/25/06
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Google is a company thats out to make money through adverts people pay
for this space and within reason can place anything they want
there.This is cannot be regulated against unless you apply the same
laws that apply to TV & Radio.
Those laws only apply here and could not be used against most search
engines.
Google may say want to stop this practice but still take there money.
PROTECTION IS THE ONLY WAY FORWARD.

Luis Villa

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Jan 25, 2006, 11:14:22 AM1/25/06
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I'm not sure what you mean by advertisement- we do suggest some links to
external sites which review/rate spyware, but we don't accept any
advertisements, nor would we. Can you point me at what you mean?

Luis

hardcandy

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Jan 25, 2006, 11:33:29 AM1/25/06
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On the right hand side of this page are "Sponsored Links" which are
links to commercial sites, they are targeted at specific pages by
Google to just show relevant links to the subject matter being
displayed on the page.
Right now I see 3 links to pctools.com, surfcontrol.com, and
Adware.Clobo.com I am using Firefox 1.5. I can turn them off using
controls in firefox but IE6 will display them all the time.
The main web page of stopbadware.com is not showing any "Sponsored
Links" .

Luis Villa

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Jan 25, 2006, 11:33:58 AM1/25/06
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On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 16:33 +0000, hardcandy wrote:
> On the right hand side of this page

_what_ page?

TeMerc

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Jan 25, 2006, 12:05:37 PM1/25/06
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Hard Candy you can find an excelent resource for good or bad apps right
here:
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm

The site appears to be down at the moment, but try again later.

Luis Villa

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Jan 25, 2006, 12:19:48 PM1/25/06
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This is really bizarre- it seems to be perfectly available for a lot of
people, including all of us who tested the links at Berkman last night.
My guess is that DNS is funky, but it isn't clear. [It is known that
some badware programs that attack IE do give fake 404s when you try to
load certain anti-spyware sites, so that might be the problem for some
users.]

Luis

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intelligent. The machine easily masters the grim and the dumb."
--Marshall McLuhan

Koz

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Jan 25, 2006, 12:24:52 PM1/25/06
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HEllo, I have my own high school class reunion website that is free to
users. To keep the site free, I signed up to be an affiliate of
Google's (as well as others). The reason you see google ads that
promote spyware/adware etc removal programs is because Google targets
ads relevant to the pages subject matter. So, on my high school class
website, 99% of the google ads I see are related to class
reunions....i.e ad for classmates.com or an ad for myyearbook.com. Not
saying its right, just explaining why you see relevant ads here.

Koz

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TeMerc

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Jan 25, 2006, 12:45:56 PM1/25/06
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It appears there is an issue, see this link at Suzi's Spyware Warrior
Blog:
http://netrn.net/spywareblog/archives/2006/01/25/spywarewarriorcom-domain-issues/

JustMe

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Jan 25, 2006, 1:20:09 PM1/25/06
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Google groups shows links to other groups and sites depending that are
a combination of what the owners and moderators of a group belong to
and the topics discussed in that group. As well as the member who
accesses that group. Therefore the ads are never the same for each user.

Luis Villa

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Jan 25, 2006, 1:43:09 PM1/25/06
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Oh! Now I know which site- you mean the group's web page. Yes, there are
sponsored ads there; we don't get any of the revenue, though- that all
goes to google. We'll eventually probably move this list to an internal
service, but we preferred to focus our energy and time on other things
for the time being, so using some of google's free services (this one,
google video shortly, and google analytics) made sense for us. There is
no conflict of interest there; we're free to move off their services
whenever we're ready to run them ourselves.

[And as mentioned above, those ads are automatically generated- we don't
oversee them at all. The confusion is a good reason to move things away
from this list as quickly as possible, though- thanks for pointing it
out.]

Comic Fan

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Jan 25, 2006, 4:04:07 PM1/25/06
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I think that Google is one of the biggest profiteers on the whole
badware market. There are so many searches that bring up badware ads.
That fact that they are showing in this group is proof positive.

One of my friends was infected by one of the worse adware's out there
after clicking on a Google Adwords link for "Microsoft AntiSpyare". I
think that's just horrible and very telling at how bad the Google /
Badware Companies relationship is to consumers.

Google says they don't do evil, yet they continue to accept ads that go
against their very recommendations for good software. They continue to
profit off people's misfortune.

Isn't it ironic that Google is sponsoring stopbadware.org? I think
that Google has the power to stop much of it themselves.

Perfect_Dark

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Jan 25, 2006, 4:51:46 PM1/25/06
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I think that Google is one of the biggest profiteers on the whole
badware market. There are so many searches that bring up badware ads.
That fact that they are showing in this group is proof positive.
Well said that man.
Question for Luis Villa if you have a question you should ask it not
just attack those that try
to offer there own experences and knowledge.You seem to want a quick
fix to all your these problems."well it aint gonna happen"

Comic Fan

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Jan 26, 2006, 3:29:47 PM1/26/06
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>Yes, there are sponsored ads there; we don't get any of the revenue, though- that all
goes to google.

But Google is a sponsor of your organization. I think that this will
make you tread lightly on Google.

Like I've said before, I think that Google is a huge problem when it
comes to Badware.

Will you promise to stand up to Google and tell them to stop PROMOTING
and PROFITING from Badware?

TeMerc

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Jan 28, 2006, 3:06:19 PM1/28/06
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Here is another link to show how Google ads can be a potential problem
for unknowing users:
http://www.benedelman.org/news/012606-1.html

Mind you, Ben is one of Harvards elite, and is certainly of the highest
abilities in 'badware' research.

http://www.benedelman.org/bio/

TeMerc

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Jan 28, 2006, 5:39:22 PM1/28/06
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I'd also add that altho in just about all other cases, Google is not
and probably should not be overtly micro-managing peoples ads, however
by getting involved in an organization such as this, it would become
thier duty to mind what happens on thier own site. JMHO

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