The petition

[suzy r]

Hi Everyone,

If anyone has any filled in petitions please can you take them to Hamdy's tonight or before 11am in the morning if you can. I'm not sure what happened to the market ones.  Apparently the BBC is filming about Sainsbury's (is this true??) and it would be great to show the huge pile of signatures and comments we have collected.  Also Jamie, Estelle and I are going through them in the evening..

adding them up and summarising the number of types of comments. 

We may need to carry on another day ...

I will post the numbers on here so people can tell the media etc..

Thanks a lot,

Suzy

[John Page]

Team,   We really do need to collate the email adresses that people have given us on these petitions. This is the only way we will be able to notify our supporters when the application is put in and that we need them to write formally to the council.   So if you have petitions, can you type up the list of email addresses and then forward them to me, I will then upload them to our email server.   I undserstand that some people have expressed concern that keeping an email list of supporters risks being a breach of the Data Protection Act. In fact, the Act does not apply to data kept solely for 'advertising, marketing and public relations'.   The use of our email list will come under this exception. In any event we are not storing 'senstitive personal data' just email addresses.   If you can get them to me then I will upload them.   Many thanks     John Page   --- On Tue, 11/10/11, suzy r <suzy...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

[Jane Holgate]

Hi all
I agree. The who effort of collecting signatures and emails will have
been wasted if we don't use them to contact our supporters. What is the
purpose otherwise?
Presumably there is an intention to 'hand them in' (to whom?) at some
stage. In which case those using the argument that we can't use the
email addresses, may in fact be handing them over to people who may use
them in a less scrupulous way. Now that I would consider a bad thing to do!

There is no intention of bombarding people with emails but just
notifying them of when the planning application goes in and what they
need to do to object - that is the reason they left their emails after
all. It would be very remiss of us not to let them know this information.

So please if you have petitions either type them up yourself and send
stokey local the list or ask someone (one of us) to type them up for you.

Many best wishes
Jane

On 11/10/2011 17:09, John Page wrote:
> Team,
> We really do need to collate the email adresses that people have given
> us on these petitions. This is the only way we will be able to notify
> our supporters when the application is put in and that we need them to
> write formally to the council.
> So if you have petitions, can you type up the list of email addresses
> and then forward them to me, I will then upload them to our email server.
> I undserstand that some people have expressed concern that keeping an
> email list of supporters risks being a breach of the Data Protection
> Act. In fact, the Act does not apply to data kept solely for
> 'advertising, marketing and public relations'.
> The use of our email list will come under this exception. In any event
> we are not storing 'senstitive personal data' just email addresses.
> If you can get them to me then I will upload them.
> Many thanks
> John Page
>

[suzy r]

HI John,

we have already discussed this and it is against data protection.  Hamdy and I who  have been in charge of the petition and are responsible for it have said this before to John and Jane. 

If you have the petition please give it to me or Hamdy or me (Suzy).  Jamie, Estelle and I are analysing the info and counting it.  It is not an email list and I didn't write it as such.

Hamdy and I have the majority of petitions and any more should be handed back to us.

Suzy

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From: John Page <john....@btinternet.com>
To: stoke...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2011, 17:09
Subject: Re: [Stokey Local] The petition

[Tara Creme]

HI JOhn, 

here are some from saturday. See you soon!

Tara 

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From: John Page <john....@btinternet.com>
To: stoke...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2011, 17:09
Subject: Re: [Stokey Local] The petition

[tara...@yahoo.co.uk]

Hi all,
Just a very quick add to this!
I sent some email addresses that people had given me to John to add to the email list.
As Kirsten thought, I, in error  hit reply, thinking I had replied to John, when in fact I had replied to everyone. This was an unfortunate error for which I apologise very much.
The reason I sent John the emails was because those people had requested to be put on the email list as they want to be kept in touch with the campaign, to be involved and/or to be contacted on how to object to the council.
An echo to an earlier email - Suzi it was great the work you did on the petitions. All I can say is that at the farmers' market stall we have been very careful to ask people whether or not they are happy to leave email addresses for us to contact them on occasionally for the campaign. A few people have said they don't want contacting (so of course we don't take their emails) but the vast majority want to help in this way.
All the best, Tara

Sent from my HTC

----- Reply message -----
From: "Kirsten Foster" <kir...@kirstenfoster.com>
Date: Wed, Oct 12, 2011 10:45
Subject: [Stokey Local] The petition
To: <stoke...@googlegroups.com>

Yeah... maybe an anonymous account is going too far and will make us look like Canadian viagra peddlers...

But we do need to be careful about displaying everyone's email address - ie the addresses shouldn't be visible in a group email. If the addresses are added to the stokeylocal mailing list this shouldn't be a prob, right?

But I also think it's not a good idea to send typed-up lists of addresses to the whole group as happened earlier. Just send them to John or whoever is controlling the mailing list. I think that was probably a mistake as it's easy to click reply to all or reply to the group by mistake, so just be careful!

Cheers
kx

On 12 October 2011 10:28, Roberto Parraga Sanchez <roberto...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi there

I'm no lawyer, but sending a couple of emails, which are not even linked to a name, address, or anything... I cannot see how this can be considered against the DPA.

If we were to sell the addresses to Salisbury's, fair enough, but the worse that these emails can be called is Spam.

If you are worried, just sent the emails from an anonymous account that cannot be traced to a anybody, hide the full list of recipients and add an op-out link at the bottom, which is more than all the Canadian drugs web sites do!

Cheers

Roberto


Cheers

Roberto

On 12 October 2011 09:58, Jane Holgate <jane.h...@btinternet.com> wrote:

Hi Kirsten
Thanks for your information - as you say it is a matter of interpretation and there are certainly ways of dealing with this.

The difference is that here people SIGNED the petition AND left their emails for further information.

Why would anyone leave their emails unless they wanted to receive further information? Would they just not have signed the form showing support and not put down their email?

The issue is that lots of people are contacting us to say 'why am I not receiving information about the campaign. I would like to get involved but no one tells me about events or activities'. Then we have to say it's because their details have not be handed over to the group. It is such a shame as it is likely that the planning application is likely to be submitted in the next 4 to 6 weeks and we now can't contact all those people who have asked to be part of the group and to receive information.

As a result we will now have far less people objecting to the application than would otherwise be the case and the name collecting on the petition will have all been in vain. The council do not take petitions half as seriously as individual objection letters.

It is a shame this decision has been made by one person rather than the whole group who have worked extremely well together over the last few months.

We have come up with a whole number of solutions to dealing with this issue which have all be rejected.

Best wishes
Jane

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[Lucy Clarke]

Hi, would you mind taking me off this mailing list? Thanks

[Debora Robertson]

And surely if emails are vital for 'verification' that would render
signatures without email addresses invalid, which is nonsense.

Best

Debora