Serious Sam 4 Trainer

[Jen Ondrey]

Ialso think AI FTP detection is an incredibly useful feature. I do a lot of work outside of TR (both Outdoors but all I do use other indoor training apps at times like Wahoo SYSM) and being able to analyze all of this and come up with an FTP has been a great tool. WKO5 has been wildly inaccurate with my FTP as it seems to rely on very specific efforts to detect FTP, while TR seems to be really nailing it for me.

I would think Trainer Road IS for serious amateurs ,probably more so than beginner athletes or weekend warriors.

There are many people on here like me ; they have been riding/training for many years, they race or compete in sportives on or off road. They may have dabbled with having a coach on and off in the past ,but programmes such as TR /My Mottiv/CTS etc offer pretty much everything a coach can.

Pro athletes have their own Team support which includes coaching etc, but I had a feeling Ivy , Hannah and Keegan may do some TR sessions?

This seems to be a narrative amongst a relatively small group, particularly present here on the forum. The forum is certainly not immune to echo chamber dynamics that magnify the perspectives of few. Just something to keep in mind with the very small number of contributors here on the forum vs. the huge number of athletes that use TR for a variety of goals around the world.

TR is designed to provide guidance, autonomy, and flexibility to achieve customization to training. Depending on your situation as an athlete, some extra steps beyond AT can be taken too (adjusting plan volume, workout alternates, adding extra endurance, adjusting recovery strategy, etc.). Education in our ecosystem (podcast, youtube, blog, forum) can be great resources to use in conjunction with our tools to stay on track toward your goals.

I would be surprised if we see this. So many of us modify the plans, miss workouts, go on vacation, add in a long weekend ride, do a race or fondo, etc. It seems like the predicted FTP would be negated almost as soon as you start the plan.

I think more advanced folks get to a point where 4 hard workouts a week and limited z2 work as a lot of TR plans are become a bit limiting. And I think effective coaches/self-coaches get to a point when they can pivot to doing a vo2 block to bust through any plateaus.

For example, I am not serious by my own definition i.e. ride for my own pleasure, not racing. But I do deviate from TR plans because I am not time-crunched, usual weekly availability is 12-17h. For that reason, I have bought some plans with this time allotment from TrainingPeaks and copied them to TR calendar with workouts from TR library, keeping weekly/monthly/seasonal structure. Also simulating AT by substituting next week workout after rating current finished workout.

Main point being that at least some of the long running complaints and criticisms have been reduced with TR changes like AT, AIFTPD and a revamp of the raw plans before AT even steps in. Despite those improvements, some still have new issues while others seem to be retreading complaints of old as well.

A coach can provide more specific recommendations on your specific training, and can titrate your training with your goals and performance and recovery to a finer detail than software can. Having an external locus of responsibility in another person, especially one who is experienced and can act in the role of a mentor is priceless.

The serious Italian is better suited for a build phase then a base phase but the question is how are you feeling? At the end of a base phase you should be very hungry for harder work. You should most feel like you did not do anything but maintain. What is your goal and desired timeline?

For outdoor northern hemisphere riders it is much harder to take it easy in the spring. So you have to work around your own life and limitations. If you know you cand do a hard period now, and then do a base period and start the cyclce over again in a few months. Then go for it. It is very unlikely you can push hard from now to the end of summer and still be motivated and in top form.

Generally there is no reason to do higher intensity now. That will give you short term benefits but will not aide in long term benefits and has the risk of causing you to peak too early. Higher intensity increases the chance of injury and illness as well so could derail your season.

I would focus on endurance work until you are about 4-8 weeks away from a key event (period) and then add intensity. So just get out and ride your bike and have fun. If you want to add in one day week of shorter duration higher intensity like HITT or something that should be a reasonable compromise. If you prefer to peak in about 8-weeks from now, and then just try to hold on to what you have through the spring/summer that is a more typical race season but you are a bit ahead of schedule at the moment.

So I would say what you did was a build period and if you started a build followed by a peak it would likely be too much. But you will know how you feel. To answer your original question, a natural progression after the Italian is an 8-week peak plan of big climbs. Or a custom plan that has a Dynamic Force workout which is a VO2max version of SFR. So it will continue building on your SFR strength and give you some higher intensity like you want. Keep doing your long rides like you have been doing. Then the third workout is up for grabs. Could be a HIIT but I would probably do threshold blocks if you want to keep with more variety during your week and have a natural plan extension to the Italian.

Regarding your question. I realize I need to make some fixes to make a smooth transition from a build period (Italian #18 qualifies for this) to the right level of peak plan (climbs or custom for example). Right now the alignment is a bit off. This is rather tricky but we can start with your case as the base line. I will be doing an update this week and let you know.

First, a little backstory might be necessary. I am an (almost) 20 year old pro junior jumper, and I was in the lucrative business of training and flipping horses for people and myself. I had a great life, I was doing what I loved for a living and was on the hot track to being an international rider, and I was being eyeballed for the USET.

Jennifer Roth is a great suggestion! I knew she had moved to NC but had forgotten how close she was. She is another trainer who seems very committed to life-long education for herself and her students.

Ok, ok... Seems like all I read or watch on the YouTube are these crazy stories on mentors, trainers, etc from hell- trainers screaming, cussing, freaking out, force driving, and today - even punching someone in the face.

On this forum, you'll read about trainers and trainees who get along well, even becoming friends. The bottom line is that you don't hear about the ones who get the job done because that's how it's supposed to be.

Don't forget, the trainer will probably get paid for all the miles your drive in training, some extra in they're paycheck for their efforts in training, and later, extra bucks if you stay with the company for a year.

And here is a thought....how often do nuts at of someone saying "I was a terrible student"?? You will run into good and bad trainers and students everywhere. Swap the bad and appreciate the good. Watch my youtube channel where you see a few videos of my trainee and it interacting.

For a positive story for you... I talk to my trainer from Knight two or three times a week still, and I left that company almost a year ago. He's been more or less a second father figure in my life (my dad's p cool, don't get me wrong, but it's sometimes hard to get what I need from him). My trainer kept with it after, and out of about 30ish students, has only had maybe 2 or 3 who were problems, and one to be frank basketcase.

I'm currently running team with my trainer and we have gotten along great. He's a chatty one, but that ain't bad. He also vapes, which I asked for a non-smoker/vaper trainer, but it was that or wait. Waiting was not an option. So I sucked it up and pressed on. Maybe a lot of the horror stories also can be attributed to the trainees perspective and that perspective can definitely be shaded for good and bad by the trainees attitude going in. I went in humble and with a "do what it takes to complete the mission" attitude I perfected in the military.

My trainer was great. I am a trainer. My job is to teach hardheaded people like me, how to do this job. I have to adjust to each person's personality and attitude. I have a ton to teach in a short amount of time. The biggest problem students have is learning how to speak up. We are adults and must be able to talk to each other as adults.

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