Change Option-Esc shortcut in MacOS?

[Paul Gilmartin]

How can I change Stellarium's overriding assignment of
Option-Esc or simply disable it? It conflicts with an
Accessibility feature of MacOS which is valuable to me.

I'm looking at the Keyboard Shortcuts menu which see,s
to have hundreds of entries and is not searchable, and
I don't know the full name of Option-Esc in order to
recognize it.

Are the shortcuts defined in a text file that I could
edit?

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Thanks,
gil

[Alexander V. Wolf]

Hi!

сб, 26 июл. 2025 г. в 00:06, 'Paul Gilmartin' via Stellarium <stell...@googlegroups.com>:

It's an easy:

1. Run Stellarium

2. Press F7

3. Find shortcut

4. Press button "remove shortcut"

5. Press button "apply"

6. Done

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With best regards, Alexander

[Paul Gilmartin]

On 7/25/25 12:29, Alexander V. Wolf wrote:
> Hi!
> ...
Thanks.

> сб, 26 июл. 2025 г. в 00:06, 'Paul Gilmartin'
>

> How can I change Stellarium's overriding assignment of
> Option-Esc or simply disable it?  It conflicts with an
> Accessibility feature of MacOS which is valuable to me.

> ...

> It's an easy:
> 1. Run Stellarium
> 2. Press F7
> 3. Find shortcut

That's the hard part.

> 4. Press button "remove shortcut"
> 5. Press button "apply"
> 6. Done

> ...
What's it called?
In what major command group does it appear?

My accessibility problem is limited vision.
It would be much easier of I could search the
list for "esc"; or "Select All" and paste onto
a text editor and search there.

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Thanks again,
gil

[Paul Gilmartin]

On 7/25/25 12:29, Alexander V. Wolf wrote:
>

> It's an easy:
> 1. Run Stellarium
> 2. Press F7
> 3. Find shortcut
> 4. Press button "remove shortcut"
> 5. Press button "apply"
> 6. Done

> ...
It's not easy. I tried F1 (Help); Keys;
Select All; Copy; paste into a text editor
where I can search.

There I fond numerous occurrences of "⌥" (Option),
but none of "esc". What should I do next?

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Thanks again,
gil

[Alexander V. Wolf]

сб, 26 июл. 2025 г. в 02:45, 'Paul Gilmartin' via Stellarium <stell...@googlegroups.com>:

It's not easy.  I tried F1 (Help); Keys;
Select All; Copy; paste into a text editor
where I can search.

There I fond numerous occurrences of "⌥" (Option),
but none of "esc".  What should I do next?

This is problem, because Stellarium hasn't default shortcuts with Esc key.

[Paul Gilmartin]

On 7/25/25 16:01, Alexander V. Wolf wrote:
> ...

> There I fond numerous occurrences of "⌥" (Option),
> but none of "esc".  What should I do next?
>
> This is problem, because Stellarium hasn't default shortcuts with Esc key.

> ...
How can I assign an explicit value in place of that "default""

at least I would like to 'Press button "remove shortcut"' to
allow the OS default to resume effect. It's valuable to me.

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Thanks,
gil

[Alexander V. Wolf]

Hi!

сб, 26 июл. 2025 г. в 05:23, 'Paul Gilmartin' via Stellarium <stell...@googlegroups.com>:

On 7/25/25 16:01, Alexander V. Wolf wrote:
>     ...
>     There I fond numerous occurrences of "⌥" (Option),
>     but none of "esc".  What should I do next?
>
> This is problem, because Stellarium hasn't default shortcuts with Esc key.
>     ...
How can I assign an explicit value in place of that "default""

Sorry for my bad English.

Stellarium does not use shortcuts with Esc key. Probably you have enabled some extra features (which?) in your macOS. I don't know standard shortcut Option-Esc in macOS.

 

at least I would like to 'Press button "remove shortcut"' to
allow the OS default to resume effect.  It's valuable to me.

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Thanks,
gil

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[Georg Zotti]

what happens and what should happen when you press Option-Esc? Both Ctrl-Esc and Alt-Esc are system hotkeys on Windows, so we cannot use them in any case.

[Paul Gilmartin]

On 7/26/25 07:02, Georg Zotti wrote:
>
> ...

> Sorry for my bad English.

> ...
It's excellent; I may have been depending on jargon.

> Stellarium does not use shortcuts with Esc key. Probably you have enabled some extra features (which?) in your macOS. I don't know standard shortcut Option-Esc in macOS.

> ...
Yes. With bad eyesight I depend heavily on screen zoom.
And in System Settings->Accessibility-Spoken Content I
enabled "Speak selection" with system default of ⌥-ESC.

In various Help options such as About and Log I can select
text. But ⌥-ESC speaks not the selection, but always
"Stellarium 25.2". That's redundant. If "Speak selection"
worked I could select that string in About and ⌥-ESC.

As an experiment I changed the System Setting shortcut of
"Speak selection" to ⌘-ESC. Now in Stellarimm, ⌥-ESC has
no effect but ⌘-ESC speaks "Stellarium 25.2". That's
surprising; it's as if Stellarium relies on the OS to
"compile" the shortcut to some internal code, then disobeys
that code.

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Thanks,
gil

[Paul Gilmartin]

On 7/26/25 07:02, Georg Zotti wrote:

> what happens and what should happen when you press Option-Esc?

When you press Option-Esc it speaks the phrase, "Stellarium 25.2".

It should speak whatever text I have selected.

(More details in the text you quoted.)

> Both Ctrl-Esc and Alt-Esc are system hotkeys on Windows, so we cannot use them in any case.

> ...
This is MacOS, not Windows, so that shouldn't matter.
In fact, as an experiment I disabled in System Settings,
and in Stellarium Settings:
[shortcuts]
actionLook_Towards_East = Alt+Esc ""
When I press Alt+Esc it does Look_Towards_East.

> alex....@gmail.com schrieb am Samstag, 26. Juli 2025 um 17:17:00 UTC+10:
>
> Hi!
>
> сб, 26 июл. 2025 г. в 05:23, 'Paul Gilmartin' via Stellarium <stell...@googlegroups.com>:
>
> On 7/25/25 16:01, Alexander V. Wolf wrote:
> >     ...
> >     There I fond numerous occurrences of "⌥" (Option),
> >     but none of "esc".  What should I do next?
> >
> > This is problem, because Stellarium hasn't default shortcuts with Esc key.
> >     ...
> How can I assign an explicit value in place of that "default""
>
>
> Sorry for my bad English.
>
> Stellarium does not use shortcuts with Esc key. Probably you have enabled some extra features (which?) in your macOS. I don't know standard shortcut Option-Esc in macOS.
>
>
> at least I would like to 'Press button "remove shortcut"' to
> allow the OS default to resume effect.  It's valuable to me.
>
> --

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Thanks,
gil

[Georg Zotti]

I have explained this to you a few weeks ago. Stellarium is not prepared, not in a single line of code from our side, for speech output. Whatever you hear is the effect of the operating system. Also this key combination. You have set it succesfully in Stellarium to some Stellarium-provided action. Good. But we cannot unconfigure an operating system function that seems to just speak the Window title. To disable the system-provided speech output of "Stellarium 25.2", you could probably configure an empty script to be called with that hotkey.