Why OIL is not mentioned in QURAN?

[Serhan Ogan]

It is interesting to imagine Mohammad (S.A.V.) walking on top of the
worlds greatest treasure known to mankind, and not be aware of it.

If he knew (or told by Allah(S.A.)) wouldn't he try to organize the
Islamic world to get the most benefit out of it?

The enormous wealth could have been utilized to spread Islam, become
world leader in science and technology and offer endless prosperity to
any nation that chooses to convert.

The Arabic Peninsula today would be the light that enlightened the
entire world.

Today a few families drill out the oil' and sell it to the West in
ridiculously low prices, earning trillions of Dollars and watch
Muslims suffer in Palestine, Bangladesh and Somali on CNN. I even
doubt that they are watching.

Islam has been converted from a religion which used to be the most
peace loving, caring and understanding, to a religion of hate'
destruction and terror.

I believe, instead of nurturing hatred towards Jews and Christians'
which indeed a hatred created by the huge gap of wealth, the search
for wrong doing must be directed towards the spoiled thieves of our
own wealth, the oil.

The gigantic income from oil should be used to heal and prosper
Muslims around the world, not to pay for the oblivious expenses of a
few ignorant kings.

Muslim's need a French Revolution.

Thanks for your time friends.

Serhan

[Grand Sen~or]

On Dec 26, 8:46 am, Serhan Ogan <serhano...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is interesting to imagine Mohammad (S.A.V.) walking on top of the
> worlds greatest treasure known to mankind, and not be aware of it.

It is also interesting that you don't bother using intellect to
remember that Muhammed was a human-being like you and I and have no
power to reveal anything other than what the Merciful reveald to him.

> If he knew (or told by Allah(S.A.)) wouldn't he try to organize the
> Islamic world to get the most benefit out of it?
>
> The enormous wealth could have been utilized to spread Islam, become
> world leader in science and technology and offer endless prosperity to
> any nation that chooses to convert.

You also don't remember which is already revealed by the Merciful that
"If We willed all human beings would be believers"

> The Arabic Peninsula today would be the light that enlightened the
> entire world.

You forget that to enlighten the world muslims had done their best for
hundreds of years to revive the scientific heritage of human kind
adding on abstraction and experimentation to scientific activities to
lay the foundation of modern science, but somehow you don't remember
that, or perhaps you are not even aware of it.

> Today a few families drill out the oil' and sell it to the West in
> ridiculously low prices, earning trillions of Dollars and watch
> Muslims suffer in Palestine, Bangladesh and Somali on CNN. I even
> doubt that they are watching.

Muslims suffering is nothing to do with their natural resources, but
their lack of using intellect..

> Islam has been converted from a religion which used to be the most
> peace loving, caring and understanding, to a religion of hate'
> destruction and terror.

Islam is _not_ converted to nothing, because the revealed words of the
Merciful stands as revealed. What is converted to disbelief and go
astray is human-beings as their old habit to keep going astray
distracted by Satan, not to use intellect and ask nonsense questions
like "why it wasn't revealed to Muhammed that there is petrol under
his feet". How come you guys ignore the order that the Merciful
repeats in the revealed Book "Use intellect!", beyond me. You guys are
like babies waiting being spoon fed rather then working hard and using
intellect.
Here is the clear message of the Merciful for your kind of non-
intellect users:
"Wai! the Merciful will come to you accompanied with thousands of
angels riding horses to reveal you personally what you expect to be
revealed!"
Yeah dream on guys!
Dream on!

> I believe, instead of nurturing hatred towards Jews and Christians'
> which indeed a hatred created by the huge gap of wealth, the search
> for wrong doing must be directed towards the spoiled thieves of our
> own wealth, the oil.

The hatred you see spread is the work of Satan and his followers.
Muslims are ordered to beware of Satan as he is the declared open
enemy of human-kind.hate-mongering is _not_ muslim quality. It is in
contradiction with the revealed words of the Merciful to qualify some
one as muslim and hate-monger!
So, I reject your above assertion nonsense based on who is counted
muslim by the Merciful in the Qur'an.

> The gigantic income from oil should be used to heal and prosper
> Muslims around the world, not to pay for the oblivious expenses of a
> few ignorant kings.
>
> Muslim's need a French Revolution.

I think you know little about French Revolution and even less about
the existing political structure of the dominant nations. Or you
deliberately ignore how those kings/sultans/bushes and Kaddafies are
where they are.
Yeah I know for you guys Bushes and Chayneys are not kings;->>
French Revolutions will save you from those;->>
Keep dreaming, but while you are dreaming remember once in a while
that after the French Revolution there had been two world wars as her
babies and the third one might be just around the corner to pop up as
the illegitimate bastard of her and the secularo-fascists. Those kings
and bushes are just the by products of the French Revolution that you
are asking for.
One nation
One land
One law
One leader
that is the outstanding product of French Revolution.
Muslims don't need that, what they need is as ordered by the Merciful
"to use intellect!".

they need to say :

NO!
WE SAY NO! to Secularo-fascists!
and we say yes to:

We declare to the world that according to the principle put by this
constitution

we accept
SPEEs eco-cultural diversity,
each SPEE has right to make their own laws and implement them to
their members,

we deny
any monopoly to any SPEE,
to reduce the of multiplicity of SPEEs to singularity

to protect and practice those rights and prevent the degeneration of
eco-librium of SPEEs and their natural environments we will organise
institutions to establish justice and guide with truth to peace,
unless the God wills otherwise.

Article 1. Each SPEE as a socio-politico-economic-entity decides her
own form administration herself and names herself.

Article 2. Within the framework of this constitution, law making and
implementing their own laws to their own members, ruling power
belongs to SPEEs.

Article 3. No SPEE can impose their laws to other SPEEs, can judge
other SPEE members according to their own laws.

Article 4. Laws of SPEEs are in effect on their members in all time
and space.

Article 5. Each member of an SPEE has the right to obtain termination
of membership according to the laws of the SPEE.

Article 6. SPEEs decide their aims and duties according to their laws
but those cannot be in contradiction to the principles of this
constitution.

Article 7. Inter SPEE laws will be made and institution will be
organised by SPEEs according to the principles of this constitution.

[Serhan Ogan]

On Dec 26, 1:42 am, "Grand Sen~or" <Grandse...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 26, 8:46 am, Serhan Ogan <serhano...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It is interesting to imagine Mohammad (S.A.V.) walking on top of the
> > worlds greatest treasure known to mankind, and not be aware of it.
>
> It is also interesting that you don't bother using intellect to
> remember that Muhammed was a human-being like you and I and have no
> power to reveal anything other than what the Merciful reveald to him.

It is equally interesting and a bit disturbing given that you claim to
know always the best, and at the same miss the entire point (the title)
of the post. The question is not the Mohammad' (S.A.V.) powers. Given
the amount of information and knowledge he has received from God, it
is weird that his teaching misses the most crucial detail. The
question is The Holy Quran, mentioning the divided seas,the marked
moon and many yet to be discovered others, but not the treasure lying
to be discovered (by the British, it is sad) few meters under their
feet.

> > If he knew (or told by Allah(S.A.)) wouldn't he try to organize the
> > Islamic world to get the most benefit out of it?
>
> > The enormous wealth could have been utilized to spread Islam, become
> > world leader in science and technology and offer endless prosperity to
> > any nation that chooses to convert.
>
> You also don't remember which is already revealed by the Merciful that
> "If We willed all human beings would be believers"

A classic cornering tactic by the hard headed believers when
encountered by a "Why not?" type of question. To avoid taking a chance
to receive any kind of even constructive criticism.
If God wanted it to be so, it would have been so. Well thats not how
the realist political science does business on earth. If a change is
logical as a result of the God given brain extraction, and promises to
chance the ill fated approach to Islam which causes the death of
children, famine and destruction, I accept it as my sin and stand by
it throughout the eternity. And I shall.

> > The Arabic Peninsula today would be the light that enlightened the
> > entire world.
>
> You forget that to enlighten the world muslims had done their best for
> hundreds of years to revive the scientific heritage of human kind
> adding on abstraction and experimentation to scientific activities to
> lay the foundation of modern science, but somehow you don't remember
> that, or perhaps you are not even aware of it.

When will the Eastern World will stop about bragging about the early
scientific studies and discoveries that have taken place centuries ago
and realize that the torch has passed on and turned into a wild fire?
In the desert there was a lot of clear skies to examine and lots of
time to spare so they have pioneered in many sciences. OK. And the
what? Now their descendants look out for the same skies for GPS guided
missiles. That is a the realist perspective that your are missing
however there is a chance for us to turn the tables and I say we take

it.


>
> > Today a few families drill out the oil' and sell it to the West in
> > ridiculously low prices, earning trillions of Dollars and watch
> > Muslims suffer in Palestine, Bangladesh and Somali on CNN. I even
> > doubt that they are watching.
>
> Muslims suffering is nothing to do with their natural resources, but
> their lack of using intellect..

Muslims suffering has everything to do with the natural resources.

I can not take, accept or even want to hear any defensive arguments
about the Saudi regime dancing in golden palaces and driving Million
Dollar cars when Palestinians beg the Israili government to free the
funds so that they can pay the government workers. This is BS. A huge,
undeniable BS.

That wealth must be fairly spread, period.

> > Islam has been converted from a religion which used to be the most
> > peace loving, caring and understanding, to a religion of hate'
> > destruction and terror.
>
> Islam is _not_ converted to nothing,

Of yeah it did. If I say that I am a Muslim in a foreign country, and
they ask me if I knew how to make a bomb, it did. Sorry. The ones who
are responsible from this reputation shall find their verdict written
in flames.

because the revealed words of the
> Merciful stands as revealed. What is converted to disbelief and go
> astray is human-beings as their old habit to keep going astray
> distracted by Satan, not to use intellect and ask nonsense questions
> like "why it wasn't revealed to Muhammed that there is petrol under
> his feet". How come you guys ignore the order that the Merciful
> repeats in the revealed Book "Use intellect!", beyond me. You guys are
> like babies waiting being spoon fed rather then working hard and using
> intellect.
> Here is the clear message of the Merciful for your kind of non-
> intellect users:
> "Wai! the Merciful will come to you accompanied with thousands of
> angels riding horses to reveal you personally what you expect to be
> revealed!"
> Yeah dream on guys!
> Dream on!
>
> > I believe, instead of nurturing hatred towards Jews and Christians'
> > which indeed a hatred created by the huge gap of wealth, the search
> > for wrong doing must be directed towards the spoiled thieves of our
> > own wealth, the oil.

Blame it on Satan. Hey people! We are fine! It was the Satan who did
all this.
That Satan you mentioned are people you and I can reach out and touch,
and stop.

If I was Satan first thing I would do perhaps is to find a way to
deprive your from the wealth that shall make you stronger.

I would take your oil and give it to Christians, so that they become
powerful enough to come back and crash you.

Saudis: Bought
Iraq : Taken
Iran : Next
Turkey : Tricked (They think they are a Western civilization!)

When are we waking up? You don't even aware that you are asleep.

> The hatred you see spread is the work of Satan and his followers.
> Muslims are ordered to beware of Satan as he is the declared open
> enemy of human-kind.hate-mongering is _not_ muslim quality. It is in
> contradiction with the revealed words of the Merciful to qualify some
> one as muslim and hate-monger!
> So, I reject your above assertion nonsense based on who is counted
> muslim by the Merciful in the Qur'an.
>
> > The gigantic income from oil should be used to heal and prosper
> > Muslims around the world, not to pay for the oblivious expenses of a
> > few ignorant kings.
>
> > Muslim's need a French Revolution.

> I think you know little about French Revolution and even less about
> the existing political structure of the dominant nations. Or you
> deliberately ignore how those kings/sultans/bushes and Kaddafies are
> where they are.

Taking down the kingdoms of the Arabic Peninsula to feed the masses
does have enough resemblance with the F. R.

At least my degrees on Political Science and International Studies
does say so. Don't bother. Answer the question, if you can, that's
good enough

Why is Oil not mentioned in Quran?

If you don not have an answer, move on...., please.

[Grand Sen~or]

On Dec 26, 4:02 pm, Serhan Ogan <serhano...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 26, 1:42 am, "Grand Sen~or" <Grandse...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 26, 8:46 am, Serhan Ogan <serhano...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > It is interesting to imagine Mohammad (S.A.V.) walking on top of the
> > > worlds greatest treasure known to mankind, and not be aware of it.
>
> > It is also interesting that you don't bother using intellect to
> > remember that Muhammed was a human-being like you and I and have no
> > power to reveal anything other than what the Merciful reveald to him.
>
> It is equally interesting and a bit disturbing given that you claim to
> know always the best, and at the same miss the entire point (the title)
> of the post. The question is not the Mohammad' (S.A.V.) powers. Given
> the amount of information and knowledge he has received from God, it
> is weird that his teaching misses the most crucial detail. The
> question is The Holy Quran, mentioning the divided seas,the marked
> moon and many yet to be discovered others, but not the treasure lying
> to be discovered (by the British, it is sad) few meters under their
> feet.

Serhan you got your answer to that, I don't know why you repeat your
question. It is nonsense to ask about what is not revealed by the
Qur'an.

> > > If he knew (or told by Allah(S.A.)) wouldn't he try to organize the
> > > Islamic world to get the most benefit out of it?

Because your first question is nonsense this question based on the
first one become nonsense too.

>
> > > The enormous wealth could have been utilized to spread Islam, become
> > > world leader in science and technology and offer endless prosperity to
> > > any nation that chooses to convert.
>
> > You also don't remember which is already revealed by the Merciful that
> > "If We willed all human beings would be believers"
>
> A classic cornering tactic by the hard headed believers when
> encountered by a "Why not?" type of question. To avoid taking a chance
> to receive any kind of even constructive criticism.

Again the answer is it is nonsense to ask questions like "Why not the
God didn't revealed such and such in the Qur'an?"
Whom are you trying to question here? The God? If so why do you ask it
to us? We are not the God, we are not even the messengers of the God
so that we refer your question to the God asking on behalf of you
sayin "Oh God the Merciful, Serhan Servant of Yours asks as why You
didn't reveal OIL under the deet of your Beloved Messenger to us?"
Sorry Serhan with your nonsense question, you are begging for a
nonsense answer;->

> If God wanted it to be so, it would have been so. Well thats not how
> the realist political science does business on earth. If a change is

Who is claiming that the Qur'an is a realist political science book?
I think you are confusing scientific theories with the revealed words
of the Merciful. Scientific theories are human inventions, not the
revealed words of the Merciful. Ant the revealed words of the Merciful
is _not_ scientific theory.

> logical as a result of the God given brain extraction, and promises to
> chance the ill fated approach to Islam which causes the death of
> children, famine and destruction, I accept it as my sin and stand by
> it throughout the eternity. And I shall.

I don't see it that way. What I see is the Merciful revealed what the
Merciful willed, so I am nothing but grateful what is revealed. That
is a great help for me to start with and by obeying his orders to
learn everything possible to use intellect I give all my effort to
study, investigate, experiment, discuss, observe, theorize etc.and
pray the Merciful increase my knowledge. Rather than arguing like you
do "My God couldn't you give us the info that there were petrol undet
the feet of your prophet, rather than pushing us to work hard to
discover it ourselves?"

>
> > > The Arabic Peninsula today would be the light that enlightened the
> > > entire world.
>
> > You forget that to enlighten the world muslims had done their best for
> > hundreds of years to revive the scientific heritage of human kind
> > adding on abstraction and experimentation to scientific activities to
> > lay the foundation of modern science, but somehow you don't remember
> > that, or perhaps you are not even aware of it.
>
> When will the Eastern World will stop about bragging about the early
> scientific studies and discoveries that have taken place centuries ago
> and realize that the torch has passed on and turned into a wild fire?

Sorry I don't see it in terms of East or West, actually Muslims
introduced most of their scientific heritage from the West of the
West;->
I don't remind this as an excuse for muslims shouldn't lead the
scientific endeavor of human kind at the front, they should, that is
what they have been ordered to do.

> In the desert there was a lot of clear skies to examine and lots of
> time to spare so they have pioneered in many sciences. OK. And the
> what? Now their descendants look out for the same skies for GPS guided
> missiles. That is a the realist perspective that your are missing
> however there is a chance for us to turn the tables and I say we take
> it.

Serhan, Muslims are not here to turn tables, Muslims are here to obey
the orders of the Merciful to gain the Merciful's consent. They do not
obtain scientific knowledge like the Greek's thought that they were
stealing it from Gods. Muslim has to gain knowledge just to please the
Merciful by obeying the order that "say increase us in knowledge" "use
intellect". Also muslims are not here like your so called westerners
to gain more knowledge to exploit and steal other human-beings
resources.
Muslims are not robbers.

> > > Today a few families drill out the oil' and sell it to the West in
> > > ridiculously low prices, earning trillions of Dollars and watch
> > > Muslims suffer in Palestine, Bangladesh and Somali on CNN. I even
> > > doubt that they are watching.
>
> > Muslims suffering is nothing to do with their natural resources, but
> > their lack of using intellect..
>
>  Muslims suffering has everything to do with the natural resources.

Sorry but the Merciful doesn't say so in the Qur'an. In fact the
Merciful grants human beings saying "We will provide your
sustenance!". Of course this doesn't give the right to EU$ to steal
their resources using excessive force unjustly.

> I can not take, accept or even want to hear any defensive arguments
> about the Saudi regime dancing in golden palaces and driving Million

Saudies are there as part of the secularo-fascist establishment -
world order(?!)
Unless the secularo-fascist dominance dissolved Saudies moving out
would not change anything, secularo-fascist are quite inventive to
invent a Kaddafi to replace them to carry on the business as usual;->>

> Dollar cars when Palestinians beg the Israili government to free the
> funds so that they can pay the government workers. This is BS. A huge,
> undeniable BS.

Well, when Satan guides human-beings that is what you get, that is why
human-beings should give heed what the Merciful revealed them urging
them to obtain knowledge and use intellect.

>
> That wealth must be fairly spread, period.
>
> > > Islam has been converted from a religion which used to be the most
> > > peace loving, caring and understanding, to a religion of hate'
> > > destruction and terror.
>
> > Islam is _not_ converted to nothing,
>
> Of yeah it did. If I say that I am a Muslim in a foreign country, and
> they ask me if I knew how to make a bomb, it did. Sorry. The ones who
> are responsible from this reputation shall find their verdict written
> in flames.

Your saying that you are muslim doesn't mean much unless you fit into
what the Merciful call muslim according to her/his deeds. A person can
be judged according to the laws of the Merciful to be considered
muslim or not. But then which secularo-fascist establishment allows
muslims to be judged according to the laws muslums accepted to
organize their lives to gain the consent of the Merciful?

>
> because the revealed words of the
>
>
>
> > Merciful  stands as revealed. What is converted to disbelief and go
> > astray is human-beings as their old habit to keep going astray
> > distracted by Satan, not to use intellect and ask nonsense questions
> > like "why it wasn't  revealed to Muhammed that there is petrol under
> > his feet". How come you guys ignore the order that the Merciful
> > repeats in the revealed Book "Use intellect!", beyond me. You guys are
> > like babies waiting being spoon fed rather then working hard and using
> > intellect.
> > Here is the clear message of the Merciful for your kind of non-
> > intellect users:
> > "Wai! the Merciful will come to you accompanied with thousands of
> > angels riding horses to reveal you personally what you expect to be
> > revealed!"
> > Yeah dream on guys!
> > Dream on!
>
> > > I believe, instead of nurturing hatred towards Jews and Christians'
> > > which indeed a hatred created by the huge gap of wealth, the search
> > > for wrong doing must be directed towards the spoiled thieves of our
> > > own wealth, the oil.
>
> Blame it on Satan. Hey people! We are fine! It was the Satan who did
> all this.

I think you don't know enough about Satan, I suggest you find my
valuable message about Satan named "Who am I?" to gain more knowledge
what you are dealing with when you deal with Satan.
Satan doesn't do a thing BTW, he suggests and you and I do it if we
don't use intellect and listen to his whispers.

> That Satan you mentioned are people you and I can reach out and touch,
> and stop.

As I told you above, you don't know enough about Satan and the worst
of all you confuse Satan with human-beings while the Merciful declared
and warned human-beings as the Open Enemy Number One of human-beings.
Do you realize what a big error yiou committed with your above
statement?
I bet Satan was laughing at you with utter pleasure saying to himself
"I have done with you Guys! Yeah I not the Open Enemy you are enemy of
each others - yeah, yeah thanks Serhan I couldn't put it better Man,
thank you let me kiss you from your cheeks mooooomh!"

I suggest you study logic and philosophy and investigate about the
political concepts I have been exposing in this group and in other
groups.

> Why is Oil not mentioned in Quran?

Keep asking yourself nonsense questions, if you don't have anything
better to do;->> Or study logic and philosophy to get mastery to
distinguish between non-sense and sense questions. And don't get
encouraged when you nonsense questions left un-answered or when you
cannot find an answer for them, because if there is a question which
is not nonsense and be sure that there is an answer to it.
.

> If you don not have an answer, move on...., please.

Dis I say I don't know the answer?!
NO!
I said your question is nonsense, so you move on and come to us with a
question that make sense.

[Grand Sen~or]

> At least my degrees on Political Science and International Studies
> does say so. Don't bother. Answer the question, if you can, that's
> good enough

Serhan!
you are at least at the right group Man!
You may learn a lot about political concepts here and I promise I'll
make sure you learn what you deserve, unless the Merciful wills
otherwise.
Now start from Satan, here is the link for your convenience:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/grand-senor/web/who-is-satan

[Serhan Ogan]

>It is nonsense to ask about what is not revealed by the
> Qur'an.

Nonsense???
The book that the entire human race is ordered to follow, has
everything covered, but does not have even a single word that even
comes close to mentioning of the natural resource that dominates the
entire globes behavior towards the Muslims?

Mecca, where a billion Muslims turn to prey, is under the rule of a
servant of the Christians? And this does not bother you?
How come?

No, I am truly curious to find out why you don't even show a bit of
appreciation of the fact that the relation between the Saudi kingdom
and the US is disturbing and even sick?

[Grand Sen~or]

On Dec 28, 5:03 pm, Serhan Ogan <serhano...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >It is nonsense to ask about what is not revealed by the
> > Qur'an.
>
> Nonsense???

exactly, your question is nonsense. I tried my best to show you why it
is so, but because you don't know enough logic and philosophy your are
unable to see it. If you study logic and philosophy, you would realize
that it is nonsense. Those subjects would also help you not to waste
your time and energy on such nonsense question. Remember your life is
short and the energy you have is limited;-)
Serhan I could give you a better nonsense question,
listen to this;->
Why didn't the God of the Qur'an explain the basic forces of nature:

1. The Force of Gravity.
2. The Electromagnetic Force.
3. The Weak Force.
4. The Strong Force.

> The book that the entire human race is ordered to follow, has
> everything covered, but does not have even a single word that even
> comes close to mentioning of the natural resource that dominates the
> entire globes behavior towards the Muslims?

You are confusing the revealed book of the Merciful with books on
natural resources. Like some others confuse it with theories of
physical sciences.

> Mecca, where a billion Muslims turn to prey, is under the rule of a
> servant of the Christians? And this does not bother you?
> How come?

Actually, this has nothing to do with your nonsense question.
You are further confused that existing SPE's are servants of
Christians.
Secularo-fascist constitutions have nothing to do with Christianity
and Christian Laws. Christians and Muslims believe in the same God in
the end.

> No, I am truly curious to find out why you don't  even show a bit of
> appreciation of the fact that the relation between the Saudi kingdom
> and the US is disturbing and even sick?

I have clearly explained what bothers me and what is really disturbing
and criminal towards human-kind in my previous message. If you are
unable to see it then I cannot help you. You need a philosopher to
help you to sort out the confusions you are struggling with political
concepts..

[Serhan Ogan]

On Dec 28, 11:50 am, "Grand Sen~or" <Grandse...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 28, 5:03 pm, Serhan Ogan <serhano...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >It is nonsense to ask about what is not revealed by the
> > > Qur'an.
>
> > Nonsense???
>
> exactly, your question is nonsense. I tried my best to show you why it
> is so, but because you don't know enough logic and philosophy your are
> unable to see it. If you study logic and philosophy, you would realize
> that it is nonsense.

The question translates throughout the article, into the statement
"Given the troubled social behavior characteristics of Arabs, (had to
be sent almost every prophet to be straightened up, still working, and
does not seem to go anywhere.) the Holy Quran should have at least
some guidance for managing the most precious natural resource, lying
under their feet. People of Muhammad (S.A.V.) were destined to become
the richest man on the planet.

Can you imagine how just a few words of wisdom about the management of
this wealth would have affected our lives in a good way today? Every
story told in Quran relates one way or another to our management of
daily personal and social behaviors. Isn't Quran the users manual for
human beings life? One can not say that oil is an earthly value and
Muslims only depend on their inner values rather than their material
gainings on earth since oil on this planet is capable of starting wars
that result in suffering of their own. Us is supporting Israel for
many reasons and one of those reasons is that Israel is like a
watchdog (with rabies disease) over the Arabs.

I believe today that oil, not Quran, is the main aspect that shapes
the behavior of many leaders in the Arabic Peninsula.
It is important , and thats why it had to be mentioned in Quran.
Sorry.

I shall ask the same question when I get "there" too. Don't worry.

>Those subjects would also help you not to waste
> your time and energy on such nonsense question. Remember your life is
> short and the energy you have is limited;-)

I am wasting my time and energy to push the Islamic world to regain
the leadership of this planet. Because where we are going with this
current mind set is doomed. Every decade the physical presence of
foreign powers is building among the Islamic world and our security is
likely to be more further compromised if Muslims do not start to take
the matter into their own hands.

Remove the kings, and use the ridicules amounts of money that they
have been saving only for themselves (Talking about the earthly
possessions of the so called the most purist (Wahhabist) followers of
god the God, what a joke!) put the development in a fast track.

Instead of trying to turn the desert into a touristic resort
(Considered the most expensive and challenging transformation since
they had to build 5+ star hotels to attract people (Dubai Towers))
build universities to attract students. Annual income of the Saudi
Royal family is more than enough to create dozens of Silicon valleys.

You obviously, for the reasons that I am starting to wonder deeper
everyday, does not accept the fact that the current mindset of the
Islamic world is not helping.

I believe the above explanation will at least limit your usage of the
term "nonsense" to describe my question, further on.

Recently, Israelis cruel attacks on Gaza Strip is perhaps a sign of
further aggravation that is to come. They are getting ready to take
down Iran.

Believe me if Al-qaida or an other group manages to detonate a few
nuclear bombs in NY, DC or London, killing say 4 million people, (West
spends a lot of money to investigate this matter so do not play it
down as not important.) We shall see their armies approaching Arabic
shores not like a D-day landing but as a tsunami, fixed to wipe us
out, once in for all. I live relatively far away, in the middle of a
big city, way up high from the sea level, if you know what I'm saying.

> Serhan I could give you a better nonsense question,
> listen to this;->
> Why didn't the God of the Qur'an explain the basic forces of nature:
>
> 1. The Force of Gravity.
> 2. The Electromagnetic Force.
> 3. The Weak Force.
> 4. The Strong Force.

Wonder which one ever the soul cause, for a war?

Which Iraqi town were bombed and children killed in their sleep due to
any of these?

Natural resource/Natural force, confusion?

> > The book that the entire human race is ordered to follow, has
> > everything covered, but does not have even a single word that even
> > comes close to mentioning of the natural resource that dominates the
> > entire globes behavior towards the Muslims?
>
> You are confusing the revealed book of the Merciful with books on
> natural resources. Like some others confuse it with theories of
> physical sciences.
>
> > Mecca, where a billion Muslims turn to prey, is under the rule of a
> > servant of the Christians? And this does not bother you?
> > How come?
>
> Actually, this has nothing to do with your nonsense question.
> You are further confused that existing SPE's are servants of
> Christians.
> Secularo-fascist constitutions have nothing to do with Christianity

Secular regime is a necessity and the term comes from Machiavelli back
in 15 th century.
Fascism "is" anti secularism. Try to criticize the government in Iran
or in Saudi Arabia, you end up the same as a critic of National
Socialism during WW2 Germany.
Wouldn't you?
"The rulers cannot be questioned unless they de-pronounce God or work
against Islam." is a statement by the Minister of the Internal
Relations in Saudi Arabia.
Only regime that does not allow rulers to be criticized is Fascism,
period.


Could not help saying since you repeat the nonsense combination of
these terms over and over.

> and Christian Laws. Christians and Muslims believe in the same God in
> the end.

Believing that there are no more crusades coming is a thought that may
let the Muslims put their guards down. It is harmful.

>
> > No, I am truly curious to find out why you don't  even show a bit of
> > appreciation of the fact that the relation between the Saudi kingdom
> > and the US is disturbing and even sick?
>
> I have clearly explained what bothers me and what is really disturbing
> and criminal towards human-kind in my previous message. If you are
> unable to see it then I cannot help you. You need a philosopher to
> help you to sort out the confusions you are struggling with political
> concepts..

Political concepts, or the politics made around the concepts, does not
offer any solution to our bitter situation in Gaza.
We need new definitions, actions and most importantly the will, to
carry out those actions.

I am disturbed by the advances in military capabilities of Israel and
the West while Muslims walk around judging neighbors for the way the
dress.

It feels like the Eastern Roman Empires last days, spent generously to
argue about the sex of the angels, while sieging armies were building
up outside the city walls.

I am a person who worries about the way the Muslims are treated and
try to manufacture a solution of any kind to stop this.

Serhan

[Grand Sen~or]

>...the Holy Quran should have at least

the statement above is nonsense.
you have in no position to assert what the Qur'an should or shouldn't
have.
Because the Qur'an is revealed as it is by the will of the Merciful.
To assert "the Merciful _should_ reveal this and that" means nothing.

> Can you imagine how just a few words of wisdom about the management of
> this wealth would have affected our lives in a good way today? Every

oh well if you study sciences you can discover it yourself. That is
how people discovered petrol and how to use it.

> I believe today that oil, not Quran, is the main aspect that shapes
> the behavior of many leaders in the Arabic Peninsula.
> It is important , and thats why it had to be mentioned in Quran.
> Sorry.

"it had to be mentioned in the Qur'an" means nothing.

> I am wasting my time and energy to push the Islamic world to regain
> the leadership of this planet. Because where we are going with this
> current mind set is doomed. Every decade the physical presence of
> foreign powers is building among the Islamic world and our security is
> likely to be more further compromised if Muslims do not start to take
> the matter into their own hands.

toachieve this perhaps you should study more, particularly logic and
philosophy.

> Remove the kings, and use the ridicules amounts of money that they
> have been saving only for themselves (Talking about the earthly
> possessions of the so called the most purist (Wahhabist) followers of
> god the God, what a joke!) put the development in a fast track.

you are just dreaming, you didn't come with any alternative
constitution yet. An alternative constitution which is dominant on the
world today - the secularo-fascist mono-law constitution.

> Instead of trying to turn the desert into a touristic resort
> (Considered the most expensive and challenging transformation since
> they had to build 5+ star hotels to attract people (Dubai Towers))
> build universities to attract students. Annual income of the Saudi
> Royal family is more than enough to create dozens of Silicon valleys.
>
> You obviously, for the reasons that I am starting to wonder deeper
> everyday, does not accept the fact that the current mindset of the
> Islamic world is not helping.

I don't know what you mean, you ask nonsense questions and assert
nonsense statements.. Why don't you bring a draft constitution which
fits your conception of a just and realistic state for present times.
Then we could compare it with the draft I have composed.

.
> I believe the above explanation will at least limit your usage of the
> term "nonsense" to describe my question, further on.

no your pointed out questions are stands still nonsense and you keep
on adding to that nonsense more statements.

> Recently, Israelis cruel attacks on Gaza Strip is perhaps a sign of
> further aggravation that is to come. They are getting ready to take
> down Iran.

you bring your draft constitution then let's talk. Otherwise you jump
from subject to subject which we reach nowhere.

> Believe me if Al-qaida or an other group manages to detonate a few
> nuclear bombs in NY, DC or London, killing say 4 million people, (West
> spends a lot of money to investigate this matter so do not play it
> down as not important.) We shall see their armies approaching Arabic
> shores not like a D-day landing but as a tsunami, fixed to wipe us
> out, once in for all. I live relatively far away, in the middle of a
> big city, way up high from the sea level, if you know what I'm saying.

I don't think that would solve any problems that the human-beings are
facing today. Remember the US attacked Japan with an A-Bomb in the
name of eliminating fascism, now we have sunk deeper into secularo-
fascism with mono-law state structure.

>
> > Serhan I could give you a better nonsense question,
> > listen to this;->
> > Why didn't the God of the Qur'an explain the basic forces of nature:
>
> > 1. The Force of Gravity.
> > 2. The Electromagnetic Force.
> > 3. The Weak Force.
> > 4. The Strong Force.
>
> Wonder which one ever the soul cause, for a war?

may be you should also study some physics..

>
> Which Iraqi town were bombed and children killed in their sleep due to
> any of these?
>

I suggest you study some physics.

> Natural resource/Natural force, confusion?

It is your confusion.

>
> Secular regime is a necessity and the term comes from Machiavelli back

That is what I mean for secularo-fascists it is a necessity, it is the
law(religion) to be dictated to other SPEEs.

> in 15 th century.
> Fascism "is" anti secularism. Try to criticize the government in Iran

In my conception of secularo-fascism, it means mono-law system to be
imposed to other SPEEs by force.

> or in Saudi Arabia, you end up the same as a critic of National
> Socialism during WW2 Germany.
> Wouldn't you?
> "The rulers cannot be questioned unless they de-pronounce God or work
> against Islam." is a statement by the Minister of the Internal
> Relations in Saudi Arabia.
> Only regime that does not allow rulers to be criticized is Fascism,
> period.
>
>  Could not help saying since you repeat the nonsense combination of
> these terms over and over.

If you read my draft constitution you would understand better what I
mean by secularo-fascism. I have also posted hundreds of messages to
clarify my draft constitution on soc.culture.turkish. I don't have
time to repeat them here.

>
> > and Christian Laws. Christians and Muslims believe in the same God in
> > the end.
>
> Believing that there are no more crusades coming is a thought that may
> let the Muslims put their guards down. It is harmful.

I suggest you read my draft constitution carefully and let's discuss
on it. Even better you bring your draft constitution as I have
suggested above so that we compare our notes to perfect our drafts,
what do you say?
My draft constitution asserts that common enemy of believers
(christians/jews/muslims/others) is secularo-fascists.They don't have
the luxury to crusade against each other any more;->>They are on the
verge to be completely assimilated.

> Political concepts, or the politics made around the concepts, does not
> offer any solution to our bitter situation in Gaza.
> We need new definitions, actions and most importantly the will, to
> carry out those actions.

That's what I mean, you need to revise your concepts that you are
using to tackle with political problems. I suggest you seriously read
my draft constitution and all the messages posted to this group.

> I am disturbed by the advances in military capabilities of Israel and
> the West while Muslims walk around judging neighbors for the way the
> dress.

Read my draft constitution to reach real disturbances that secularo-
fascist are geared up to assimilate all to reduce them to monolithic
culture of secularo-fascism - that is the final solution for
human=beings which they aim at while you are waisting your time and
mine on trifling issues.
You definitely need to revise your perspective of political situation
of our times.
You can do that only by re-gaining sound political concepts I have
been trying to introduce in this group.

> It feels like the Eastern Roman Empires last days, spent generously to
> argue about the sex of the angels, while sieging armies were building
> up outside the city walls.

The situation is worse that what you think, and you don't have right
conceptual tools to grasp the seriousness of it.

> I am a person who worries about the way the Muslims are treated and
> try to manufacture a solution of any kind to stop this.

And I am a person who seriously worried about the future of human-kind
and seriously warning them about the threat and how to get organized
to deal with it. If you consider that muslims are just a subset of
human-beings under this threat then perhaps you and I work together to
face this threat on the front lines. Are you willing that? If so,
please give heed to my suggestions.

> Serhan

[Grand Sen~or]

> Believe me if Al-qaida or an other group manages to detonate a few
> nuclear bombs in NY, DC or London, killing say 4 million people, (West
> spends a lot of money to investigate this matter so do not play it
> down as not important.) We shall see their armies approaching Arabic
> shores not like a D-day landing but as a tsunami, fixed to wipe us
> out, once in for all. I live relatively far away, in the middle of a
> big city, way up high from the sea level, if you know what I'm saying.

Let me stress on this point that conceptual problems cannot be solved
by armed conflicts. In fact it makes them worse as we have being
observing it since the last two World Wars - secularo-fascism has been
getting fatter and fatter by those armed conflicts.
We have conceptual problems resulted by Half Finished French
Revolution. Those problems are mainly related to socio-political
concepts such as nation, culture, leadership, race, language, law
(religion), will, etc.Those concepts inherited with all their problems
creeps into so called modern constitutions to establish secularo-
fascist monolithic state structures.
No armed conflicts can solve such conceptual problems and confusions,
we have to use intellect to sort them out, to free out intelligence
from the bewitchments of those confusions.
Are you for it?

> Serhan