[Project] The Revolution in Tanner's Lane, by William Hale White

[David]

While I plod on with proofreading Trollope's short stories (enjoyable! about 1/2 way through), I'd like to start prepping another title: The Revolution in Tanner's Lane, by William Hale White.

PG source: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/6690

IA scans: https://archive.org/details/revolutionintann00ruthrich/

Hale White is not well known, which is a shame. He's a fine author. He wrote under the pseudonym "Mark Rutherford", and "Rutherford's" novels are edited by "his friend, Reuben Shapcott", also a fictitious figure. These attributions are more important for Rutherford's "autobiographical" works, but appear also on the title page of Revolution.

I assume the repo is `william-hale-white_the_revolution...`, however. It would still be good to get confirmation of that before I start.

At some point I would like to add some more of his titles, but this one I enjoyed especially, and it would make a nice addition to the corpus (IMO).

Hope this looks OK!

David / Fife, UK

[David]

Or, on second thought since my original post, is it `mark-rutherford_the-revolution...`? We have George Eliot as `george-eliot_` and Mark Twain as `mark-twain_`. And Hale White's fiction all has "Mark Rutherford" on the titlepage....

Obviously, then, I need some guidance on this one!

D.

On Saturday, 18 March 2023 at 11:22:01 UTC David wrote:

...He wrote under the pseudonym "Mark Rutherford", and "Rutherford's" novels are edited by "his friend, Reuben Shapcott", also a fictitious figure. These attributions are more important for Rutherford's "autobiographical" works, but appear also on the title page of Revolution.

[Vince Rice]

On Mar 18, 2023, at 9:41 AM, David <djre...@gmail.com> wrote:

Or, on second thought since my original post, is it `mark-rutherford_the-revolution...`? We have George Eliot as `george-eliot_` and Mark Twain as `mark-twain_`. And Hale White's fiction all has "Mark Rutherford" on the titlepage....

Obviously, then, I need some guidance on this one!

You don’t really, you figured it out yourself. :)

We use the author’s name, and the author’s name is Mark Rutherford. This applies even to the full name (see 9.11.4).

[Alex Cabal]

Vince, you're up next to manage, can you take this one with David
reviewing?

On 3/18/23 10:40 AM, Vince Rice wrote:
> On Mar 18, 2023, at 9:41 AM, David <djre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Or, on second thought since my original post, is it
>> `mark-rutherford_the-revolution...`? We have George Eliot as
>> `george-eliot_` and Mark Twain as `mark-twain_`. And Hale White's

>> fiction /all/ has "Mark Rutherford" on the titlepage....

>>
>> Obviously, then, I need some guidance on this one!
>
> You don’t really, you figured it out yourself. :)
> We use the author’s name, and the author’s name is Mark Rutherford. This
> applies even to the full name (see 9.11.4).
>

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[Vince]

Will do.

[David]

And we have a first commit:

https://github.com/dajare/mark-rutherford_the-revolution-in-tanners-lane

[David Grigg]

I can review. David: please make sure to mention my name when you are ready, and nudge me if I don't respond within a couple of days,

[David]

So, one of those (annoying) italics questions. In this title, there are a number (<10) of italicized embedded quotations. Here are representative examples: p73, p104, p164, p341, and p355.

The PG transcription puts all of these in `<i>...</i>` wrappers, excluding punctuation (so there are a LOT of `i` tags!).

My expectation is that the SE edition puts these in regular type. My hunch is that this operation would be "[Editorial]", even though no content is being changed. (I think this has been settled as a convention?)

If both of those are correct, then it would be expedient to break off the manual semantics phase (which I'm now in), get rid of all of these cases in one go in a single "[Editorial]" commit, then resume the manual semanticating.

Confirmation or correction on this would be much appreciated! :) D.

[David]

And a second question, while I'm at it. I feel like I ought to know this by now, but...

When something quoted appears in a `<blockquote>...</blockquote>` frame, and if there are existing quotation marks (NOT marking dialogue), do the quotation marks get removed? I expect so (since the quote is already typographically signalled).

And (again), if that is so, I assume THIS is "[Editorial]", since there is a visible change in content.

To be explicit, here's an example:

These verses are already in blockquote tags, so I'm thinking we don't want also the surrounding quotation marks on those.

Thanks again for confirmation or correction! D.

[Vince]

Well, the first link is a French quote, so it would be italicized and tagged because it’s non-English.

For the rest, yes, as 8.2.1 says, we rarely want italics and quotes. I personally don’t make those editorial, but if you do them all in their own commit, it’s easy to change if someone else disagrees. (And you can do it after you finish your other changes, you don’t have to break off and do these in the middle.)

[Vince]

While I actually agree with you, the EiC doesn’t, so we leave them. :)

On Mar 19, 2023, at 11:01 AM, David <djre...@gmail.com> wrote:

And a second question, while I'm at it. I feel like I ought to know this by now, but...

When something quoted appears in a `<blockquote>...</blockquote>` frame, and if there are existing quotation marks (NOT marking dialogue), do the quotation marks get removed? I expect so (since the quote is already typographically signalled).

And (again), if that is so, I assume THIS is "[Editorial]", since there is a visible change in content.

To be explicit, here's an example:

[David]

A semantics question. We have the following text:

in which "Star", "Rover", "Eclipse", and "Times" are horse-drawn coaches. (We're in the year 1840.)

SE's "vehicle" semantics include (at the moment) only "airplane", "auto", and "train". How, then, should these italics be tagged?

I can imagine:  `<i epub:type="se:name.vehicle.coach">Star</i>`, but that's not in our list. Or is it allowed simply to have two elements: `<i epub:type="se:name.vehicle">Star</i>`? On checking, I see we have three named wagons treated this way in Joseph Furphy's Such Is Life, so I'll assume this works also for my four named coaches.

But confirmation would be appreciated. :) (This one is almost ready for David's review....)

D.

[David]

So, time for a cover, too. I had so hoped to find some sort of "riot" scene, but failed to find anything appropriate. (Suggestions welcome!)

However, I think this works decently well, corresponding to a scene in the book: Augustus Leopold Egg, "Come Rest in this Bosom my own Stricken Dear" (Cleveland Museum of Art, CC0):

Hope that looks OK! There is no date for the painting, and I've failed to find one elsewhere, so I'm assuming it goes into the colophon as "completed in the 19th century" (as some other SE books have it).

D.

[Vince Rice]

Yea, we can use the “generic” tags when needed (publication, music, vehicle, etc.)

On Apr 10, 2023, at 7:12 AM, David <djre...@gmail.com> wrote:

A semantics question. We have the following text:

[Vince Rice]

Looks good!

On Apr 10, 2023, at 9:33 AM, David <djre...@gmail.com> wrote:

So, time for a cover, too. I had so hoped to find some sort of "riot" scene, but failed to find anything appropriate. (Suggestions welcome!)

However, I think this works decently well, corresponding to a scene in the book: Augustus Leopold Egg, "Come Rest in this Bosom my own Stricken Dear" (Cleveland Museum of Art, CC0):

[David]

Thanks, Vince. And with that, this is indeed ready for review, David. 

https://github.com/dajare/mark-rutherford_the-revolution-in-tanners-lane

I think there's just a couple things to be aware of:

• ch 22, there are  2x `‑` U+2011; `typogrify` will (incorrectly) change those   
• ch 23: `Lord-i-mercy` : `seminticate` (incorrectly) wants to tag that as a Roman numeral
  

Thanks so much!

D.

[David Grigg]

Thanks, David. The next couple of days are busy for me because of my podcast, but I’ll get to it straight after that.

[David Grigg]

David: this all looks very clean to me. Just a couple of minor issues I'll raise here rather than bother adding them to the repository:

In Chapter 27, you have at<i>one</i>ment. I think this should use <em> instead, as it's obviously an emphasised syllable.

In local.css you've added custom CSS to style all-petite-caps in an address in chapter 1, but I don't believe you need the "section" at the start of the selector, just #chapter-1 > p > span

In the long description, you need to add a link to the SE page for Mark Rutherford, same format as that for George Elliot, etc. Yes, I know that page doesn't yet exist, but it will.

Other than those, it all looks very good to me.

[David]

Thanks for the review, David - those are all done now. (The last one is a "Doh!" — I added the `a` anchor, and forgot to come back and fill in the URL!)

https://github.com/dajare/mark-rutherford_the-revolution-in-tanners-lane

If you're content, then it's ready for Alex.

D.

[David at Standard Ebooks]

OK, over to you, Alex.

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[Alex Cabal]

Looks great David, thanks! I've gone ahead and released it.

Note that in the long description, we only want author biographical info
if it's directly relevant to the book. We don't include general info
about the author because if we have multiple books by them, then they
will all start to include the same redundant biographical info.

On 4/12/23 11:33 PM, David Grigg wrote:
> David: this all looks very clean to me. Just a couple of minor issues
> I'll raise here rather than bother adding them to the repository:
>
> In Chapter 27, you have at<i>one</i>ment. I think this should use <em>
> instead, as it's obviously an emphasised syllable.
>
> In local.css you've added custom CSS to style all-petite-caps in an
> address in chapter 1, but I don't believe you need the "section" at the
> start of the selector, just #chapter-1 > p > span
>
> In the long description, you need to add a link to the SE page for Mark
> Rutherford, same format as that for George Elliot, etc. Yes, I know that
> page doesn't yet exist, but it will.
>
> Other than those, it all looks very good to me.
>
> On Tuesday, 11 April 2023 at 10:04:42 UTC+10 David Grigg wrote:
>
> Thanks, David. The next couple of days are busy for me because of my
> podcast, but I’ll get to it straight after that.
>
> On Tuesday, 11 April 2023 at 02:42:05 UTC+10 David wrote:
>
> Thanks, Vince. And with that, this is indeed ready for review,
> David.
>

> https://github.com/dajare/mark-rutherford_the-revolution-in-tanners-lane <https://github.com/dajare/mark-rutherford_the-revolution-in-tanners-lane>
>
> I /think/ there's just a couple things to be aware of:
>
> * ch 22, there are  2x `‑` U+2011; `typogrify` will
> (incorrectly) change those
> * ch 23: `Lord-i-mercy` : `seminticate` (incorrectly) wants to

> tag that as a Roman numeral
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> D.
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[David]

Re: author bio - makes sense! Hopefully it doesn't end too abruptly now, but it still looks fit for purpose. :)

Thanks!

D.