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Chloe
Jan 12, 2025, 3:56:33 PMJan 12
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I was hoping to contribute to this project by working on The Black Moth from your wanted list.
Transcript is on PG https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/38703
I found a scan for checks in the PD from Wikimedia, origin Dartmouth College Library. https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:The_Black_Moth.pdf&page=2
I had a quick look at style guides and the code and it shouldn't be too bad. I have coding and Git experience, though not formally in XML/CSS.
Let me know.
Alex Cabal
Jan 12, 2025, 10:29:51 PMJan 12
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Great, that one would be a good start.
This should be a pretty basic one. Nothing much for me to add.
Make sure to read the Standard Ebooks Manual of Style before starting,
as you won't know what to fix if you haven't read the standards. In
particular, please closely review the semantics, high level patterns,
and typography sections:
https://standardebooks.org/manual
https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics
https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-structural-patterns
https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography
The step by step guide will take you from start to finish:
https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-by-step
Please email often if you have any questions at all. Our standards are
well-established so there is probably already a standard for formatting
whatever problem you've encountered.
When you're ready, email back with a link to your Github repository so
that I can mark you as having started.
Have fun! :)
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This should be a pretty basic one. Nothing much for me to add.
Make sure to read the Standard Ebooks Manual of Style before starting,
as you won't know what to fix if you haven't read the standards. In
particular, please closely review the semantics, high level patterns,
and typography sections:
https://standardebooks.org/manual
https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics
https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-structural-patterns
https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography
The step by step guide will take you from start to finish:
https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-by-step
Please email often if you have any questions at all. Our standards are
well-established so there is probably already a standard for formatting
whatever problem you've encountered.
When you're ready, email back with a link to your Github repository so
that I can mark you as having started.
Have fun! :)
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Alex Cabal
Jan 23, 2025, 12:10:29 PMJan 23
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Please send a link to your repo. Thanks!
On 1/23/25 10:42 AM, 'Chloe' via Standard Ebooks wrote:
> Ok. Initial commit should have been submitted.
> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics>
>
> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-structural-patterns <https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-structural-patterns>
>
> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography
On 1/23/25 10:42 AM, 'Chloe' via Standard Ebooks wrote:
> Ok. Initial commit should have been submitted.
>
> On Sunday, January 12, 2025 at 10:29:51 PM UTC-5 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> Great, that one would be a good start.
>
> This should be a pretty basic one. Nothing much for me to add.
>
> Make sure to read the Standard Ebooks Manual of Style before starting,
> as you won't know what to fix if you haven't read the standards. In
> particular, please closely review the semantics, high level patterns,
> and typography sections:
>
> https://standardebooks.org/manual <https://standardebooks.org/manual>
>
> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics
> On Sunday, January 12, 2025 at 10:29:51 PM UTC-5 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> Great, that one would be a good start.
>
> This should be a pretty basic one. Nothing much for me to add.
>
> Make sure to read the Standard Ebooks Manual of Style before starting,
> as you won't know what to fix if you haven't read the standards. In
> particular, please closely review the semantics, high level patterns,
> and typography sections:
>
> https://standardebooks.org/manual <https://standardebooks.org/manual>
>
> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics>
>
> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-structural-patterns <https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-structural-patterns>
>
> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography
> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography>
>
> The step by step guide will take you from start to finish:
>
> https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-by-step <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-by-step>
>
> The step by step guide will take you from start to finish:
>
>
> Please email often if you have any questions at all. Our standards are
> well-established so there is probably already a standard for formatting
> whatever problem you've encountered.
>
> When you're ready, email back with a link to your Github repository so
> that I can mark you as having started.
>
> Have fun! :)
>
>
> On 1/11/25 4:27 PM, 'Chloe' via Standard Ebooks wrote:
> > I was hoping to contribute to this project by working on The
> Black Moth
> > from your wanted list.
> > Transcript is on PG https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/38703
> <https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/38703>
> >
> > I found a scan for checks in the PD from Wikimedia, origin Dartmouth
> > College Library.
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:The_Black_Moth.pdf&page=2 <https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:The_Black_Moth.pdf&page=2>
> Please email often if you have any questions at all. Our standards are
> well-established so there is probably already a standard for formatting
> whatever problem you've encountered.
>
> When you're ready, email back with a link to your Github repository so
> that I can mark you as having started.
>
> Have fun! :)
>
>
> On 1/11/25 4:27 PM, 'Chloe' via Standard Ebooks wrote:
> > I was hoping to contribute to this project by working on The
> Black Moth
> > from your wanted list.
> > Transcript is on PG https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/38703
> <https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/38703>
> >
> > I found a scan for checks in the PD from Wikimedia, origin Dartmouth
> > College Library.
> >
> >
> > I had a quick look at style guides and the code and it shouldn't
> be too
> > bad. I have coding and Git experience, though not formally in
> XML/CSS.
> >
> > Let me know.
> >
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> > I had a quick look at style guides and the code and it shouldn't
> be too
> > bad. I have coding and Git experience, though not formally in
> XML/CSS.
> >
> > Let me know.
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Chloe
Jan 23, 2025, 12:47:11 PMJan 23
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Ok. First commit updated here: https://github.com/cakacz/georgette-heyer_the-black-moth
Sorry for the delay, git updated since the last time I used it.
On Sunday, January 12, 2025 at 10:29:51 PM UTC-5 Alex Cabal wrote:
Alex Cabal
Jan 23, 2025, 12:49:03 PMJan 23
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OK, David will manage this with Emma reviewing.
On 1/23/25 11:47 AM, 'Chloe' via Standard Ebooks wrote:
> Ok. First commit updated here:
> https://github.com/cakacz/georgette-heyer_the-black-moth
> Sorry for the delay, git updated since the last time I used it.
>
> On Sunday, January 12, 2025 at 10:29:51 PM UTC-5 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> Great, that one would be a good start.
>
> This should be a pretty basic one. Nothing much for me to add.
>
> Make sure to read the Standard Ebooks Manual of Style before starting,
> as you won't know what to fix if you haven't read the standards. In
> particular, please closely review the semantics, high level patterns,
> and typography sections:
>
> https://standardebooks.org/manual <https://standardebooks.org/manual>
>
> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics
> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics>
>
> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-structural-patterns <https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-structural-patterns>
>
> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography
On 1/23/25 11:47 AM, 'Chloe' via Standard Ebooks wrote:
> Ok. First commit updated here:
> https://github.com/cakacz/georgette-heyer_the-black-moth
> Sorry for the delay, git updated since the last time I used it.
>
> On Sunday, January 12, 2025 at 10:29:51 PM UTC-5 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> Great, that one would be a good start.
>
> This should be a pretty basic one. Nothing much for me to add.
>
> Make sure to read the Standard Ebooks Manual of Style before starting,
> as you won't know what to fix if you haven't read the standards. In
> particular, please closely review the semantics, high level patterns,
> and typography sections:
>
> https://standardebooks.org/manual <https://standardebooks.org/manual>
>
> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics>
>
> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-structural-patterns <https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-structural-patterns>
>
> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography
> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography>
>
> The step by step guide will take you from start to finish:
>
> https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-by-step <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-by-step>
>
> The step by step guide will take you from start to finish:
>
>
> Please email often if you have any questions at all. Our standards are
> well-established so there is probably already a standard for formatting
> whatever problem you've encountered.
>
> When you're ready, email back with a link to your Github repository so
> that I can mark you as having started.
>
> Have fun! :)
>
>
> On 1/11/25 4:27 PM, 'Chloe' via Standard Ebooks wrote:
> > I was hoping to contribute to this project by working on The
> Black Moth
> > from your wanted list.
> > Transcript is on PG https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/38703
> <https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/38703>
> >
> > I found a scan for checks in the PD from Wikimedia, origin Dartmouth
> > College Library.
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:The_Black_Moth.pdf&page=2 <https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:The_Black_Moth.pdf&page=2>
> Please email often if you have any questions at all. Our standards are
> well-established so there is probably already a standard for formatting
> whatever problem you've encountered.
>
> When you're ready, email back with a link to your Github repository so
> that I can mark you as having started.
>
> Have fun! :)
>
>
> On 1/11/25 4:27 PM, 'Chloe' via Standard Ebooks wrote:
> > I was hoping to contribute to this project by working on The
> Black Moth
> > from your wanted list.
> > Transcript is on PG https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/38703
> <https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/38703>
> >
> > I found a scan for checks in the PD from Wikimedia, origin Dartmouth
> > College Library.
> >
> >
> > I had a quick look at style guides and the code and it shouldn't
> be too
> > bad. I have coding and Git experience, though not formally in
> XML/CSS.
> >
> > Let me know.
> >
> > --
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> > I had a quick look at style guides and the code and it shouldn't
> be too
> > bad. I have coding and Git experience, though not formally in
> XML/CSS.
> >
> > Let me know.
> >
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Chloe
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Just a quick question re:chapter headings/titles. This one seems to be suited to something like the Wizard of Oz with a chapter number and then subtitle. Is using the same formatting as that a good use? I'm having trouble figuring out the proper semantics.
Thank you!
Current formatting:
<hgroup>
<h2 epub:type="ordinal z3998:roman">I</h2>
<p epub:type="title">At the Chequers Inn, Fallowfield</p>
</hgroup>
<h2 epub:type="ordinal z3998:roman">I</h2>
<p epub:type="title">At the Chequers Inn, Fallowfield</p>
</hgroup>
David
Apr 21, 2025, 8:46:25 AMApr 21
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That looks exactly right for chapter headings of this type. I wouldn't have called this "subtitle", but simply "chapter number" with "chapter title". That's exactly right for those semantics.
David / Fife, UK
Chloe
Apr 24, 2025, 11:09:26 AMApr 24
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Thanks.
Sorry, additional question I couldn't quite clarify with the abbreviation typography info. There are a lot of titles used in the book.
The basic Mr. first last are simple, but is Miss treated the same as Mr. or Mrs?
Additionally, do the rules change when followed by titles or things like ducal names, i.e. M le duc, Lady O'Hara, Sir Anthony Ferndale?
Additionally, do the rules change when followed by titles or things like ducal names, i.e. M le duc, Lady O'Hara, Sir Anthony Ferndale?
Finally, the type has chef italicized, apparently as a foreign word, should this be retained with the language tag or removed?
Cheers,
Chloe
David Reimer
Apr 24, 2025, 11:20:46 AMApr 24
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"Miss" doesn't need any treatment since it is not an abbreviation.
"M. le duc" is all over the place in Baroness Orczy's books - It only
needs `<abbr>M.</abbr> le duc`, and here's an example:
https://github.com/standardebooks/baroness-orczy_lord-tonys-wife/blob/2c6c1e84167252b6474469836a4f47e7c16963f6/src/epub/text/chapter-1-4.xhtml#L20
"Lady" and "Sir" are not abbreviations.
If "chef" is not for emphasis (a link to context would help!), then it
should not have `<i>...</i>` wrappers, per
https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.2/single-page#8.2.9.4
Best to ask if you're not sure! But perhaps reading over some of those
sections in SEMoS would help, too.
David / Fife, UK
"M. le duc" is all over the place in Baroness Orczy's books - It only
needs `<abbr>M.</abbr> le duc`, and here's an example:
https://github.com/standardebooks/baroness-orczy_lord-tonys-wife/blob/2c6c1e84167252b6474469836a4f47e7c16963f6/src/epub/text/chapter-1-4.xhtml#L20
"Lady" and "Sir" are not abbreviations.
If "chef" is not for emphasis (a link to context would help!), then it
should not have `<i>...</i>` wrappers, per
https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.2/single-page#8.2.9.4
Best to ask if you're not sure! But perhaps reading over some of those
sections in SEMoS would help, too.
David / Fife, UK
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