[Next project] Babbitt by Sinclair Lewis

[Genevieve Segol]

Suggestion:

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1156

Page scans:

https://archive.org/details/babbitt00lewiuoft/page/n5/mode/2up

Is this OK?

[Alex Cabal]

Sure, send me a link to your repo when you get started. Thanks!

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[Genevieve Segol]

Initial commit

https://github.com/gsegol/sinclair-lewis_babbitt

[Genevieve Segol]

"telephone" (verb or noun) always appear as ’phone.  May I remove the elision?

Thanks.

[Vince]

Yes, Alex has approved that for me before. You might make it an editorial commit just in case.

[Alex Cabal]

This is already taken care of by modernize-spelling I believe, but if
not you can remove it

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[Genevieve Segol]

Questions about [Editorial] commit(s):

1. According to the step-by-step guide, we do an [Editorial] commit after step 11, modernize hyphenation and spelling.  That is pretty early in the game.  So, what if we find another editorial change while proofreading?  Do we have to make separate [Editorial] commits for each of them?

2. Ditto for the "mismatched diacritics," step 13.  By definition, we have to choose one or the other mismatch.  Isn't this also an editorial change?

Thank you.

[B Keith]

I generally  make a list of all my editorial changes during proof reading and then  make them‚ one by one, as one of the final set of commits.

Where they happen is less important than being able to check them separately.

B

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[Emma Sweeney]

Well, it really depends on what you are finding while proofreading and your method of proofreading.

Are there a lot of typos? Are you finding just one or two small typos in a section? Are the changes random? Are the changes made from searching and replacing certain words? Do you prefer to group editorial changes by one chapter or by multiple chapters while proofreading? Do you group your changes after proofreading?

Here are my personal methods to editorial changes

• I usually find a lot of random errors in epic poems. I like to group 5 Cantos at a time to cut down on how often I commit. My commit would look like "[Editorial] Proofread (Cantos 1-5)" This includes small typos, punctuation changes, and capitalization changes. Boring stuff.
  
• Occasionally I will find various spellings of or missing diacritics in names or places. I would then do a search and replace, standardizing each word. Each set of changes would be its own commit, "[Editorial] name1 --> name2" I make these changes before, during, or after proofreading.
  
• If it's just a single typo, I don't make an editorial commit. My commit is just "Fix typo."

Emma

[Vince]

It depends, but generally speaking, if there are a lot of one-offs, then combining then into a single editorial commit can be ok. But I usually change one word at a time in an editorial commit, regardless of how many time it occurs. What you don’t want to do is combine editorial changes and non-editorial changes in a single commit. Adding a missing tag or fixing a transcription error shouldn’t be done in the same commit as editorial changes.

It again depends. It might be a transcription problem instead of a source problem.

[Genevieve Segol]

The text in the attachment is essentially a flyer/advertisement included in the chapter.

Could you please refer me to an existing SE book that includes something similar--in particular the box inserts?

Thank you.

[Emma Sweeney]

These will be structured in the xhtml file somewhat similar to letters: surrounded by <blockquote>s and use <header>s for the advertisement titles.

It will need custom CSS to get it to look like the page scans.This website will help with learning all the different properties. For starters, you can target these blockquotes and give it the property "border-style: solid".

Emma

[Vince]

Oh my. That has Robin written all over it. :)

[Genevieve Segol]

Thanks for the help, Emma.

I assume that keeping the text in ALL CAPS is appropriate in this case.  True?

[Emma Sweeney]

No. You will still correct the letter case and surround the text with <b>. The all caps occurs in the header and footer, and they would look something like:

XHTML

            <header>
                <p>
                    <b>Power and Prosperity in Public Speaking</b>
                </p>
                <p>A Yarn Told at the Club</p>
            </header>

...

            <footer>
                <p>Shortcut Educational Pub. Co.</p>
                <p>
                    <span>Desk WA</span>
                    <span>Sandpit, Iowa.</span>
                </p>
                <p>
                    <b>Are You a 100 Percenter or a 10 Percenter?”</b>
                </p>
            </footer>

Note: when you have both small caps (first <p>) and all caps (last <p>) in the footer you can pick one or the other and surround it with <b> (I picked the all caps). You won't have to create really tricky selecting in CSS.

Now for the CSS. This is where paths diverge from the manual. The CSS for letters isn't going to match the advertisement. The first thing I do when I need to come up with new CSS is seeing if I can borrow anything from the manual. For example, searching for specific elements like header and footer in the single-page manual shows me another way to style headers in SEMOS 7.2.10.8.

header{
    font-variant: small-caps;
    margin: 1em;
    text-align: center;
}

This correctly centers the header contents and creates margins. It also changes the text to small-caps which doesn't match your page scans. You can delete "font-variant: small-caps;" from the header styling.

If you can't borrow anything, you will need to create your own by trying certain properties, pulling up the chapter in a browser, and seeing how it looks. This process can be tedious. Here is some header and footer styling that could help you match the page scans:

CSS

header{
    margin: 1em;
    text-align: center;
}

header > p + p{
    margin-top: .5em;
}

header > p > b,
footer > p > b{
    text-transform: uppercase;
    font-weight: bold;
}

footer{
    margin: 1em;
    text-align: center;
}

footer > p:first-child{
    font-variant: small-caps;
}

footer > p:last-child{
    margin-top: 1em;
}

I use this CSS tutorial all the time! It can explain all of the different ways to select content and can show you the effects of properties before using it in your own work.

I hope this helps

Emma

[Genevieve Segol]

Wow!  Emma,

   <p>

      <b> Thank You for the Master Class!</b>

   </p>
    <p>This is <em> very</em> helpful</p>

😀

[Genevieve Segol]

Question:

What should I do with the "image" included in Ch13?

The original image from the scans is attached.  PG replaced it with the description shown in the attachments.  

Note also the typo in the original text ('fortht'), which PG corrected.  Should I do the same?  (Too late for an Editorial commit because I have only added semantic info in the beginning of the chapter before landing on this image.)

Thank you.

[Vince]

It’s never too late for an Editorial commit. If you already have changes, then you would commit those and then do a separate Editorial commit. But I don’t think this would be considered an editorial commit; it’s part of the source. Editorial commits are changes to the source, not changes to the transcription.

It’s up to Alex as to whether it’s “essential” or not, but since it’s referred to in the text, it probably needs to be converted to SVG and included. I thought someone had added how to do that to our how-to guides, but it doesn’t appear so. Below are the steps that David Grigg gave me long ago, and that I still follow when I have to do one. Since it’s kind of complicated, you might not want to start on it until Alex says it’s definitely needed.

Steps to convert a jpg/png to svg. These are Mac-centric, but most of the tools are avaliable on Windows/Linux. This can also all be done, I’ve been told, with Inkscape (open source graphics program), but Inkscape on a Mac is not very good; you might be more successful if you’re on Windows and/or Linux. But since I’ve never used, and last I heard David hasn’t been successful with it either, you’re on your own. :)

David Grigg’s steps to convert to SVG:

1) I start with the best, highest resolution image I can get.

2) I open it in an image editor (for me, that's Acorn, but most image editors have similar functions) and apply a grayscale filter, tweaking the settings as needed to get the best looking result. Clean it up manually if necessary to get rid of speckles and fill in obviously broken lines. If you’re going to use potrace in the next step, then you should save the file with a .bmp extension, as potrace requires bmp input.

3) I use a program called Image Vectorizer which is in the Mac app store. It costs a few dollars, but it's well worth it. http://www.image-vectorizer.com . Drop the image in here and click on the Vectorize button, then export the SVG result. If you don’t want to buy it, there’s a free command line tool called potrace (which Image Vectorizer drives behind the scenes). If you decide to use potrace, here’s a sample command line:

potrace -b svg -t 5 -z minority -a 1.00 -O 0.2 -r 300 -k 0.6 --flat -o temp.svg -- infile.bmp

4) You're not done yet! The result tends to be poorly optimised . So I run the SVG image through a tool called SVGO (SVG Optimiser). This is a free command line tool. (https://github.com/svg/svgo). However, as a first stage, I run my SVG through an online version of that tool: SVGOMG (https://jakearchibald.github.io/svgomg/) which makes life a lot simpler. Attached is a screenshot showing the settings I use. Thankfully, SVGOMG retains these between sessions.

5) You’re not done yet! SVGOMG does most of the work, but sometimes still leaves the SVG in a state which has features which we don't want, like transforms. So I use this command-line option (after having installed the SVGO command-line tool:

svgo -i image.svg --enable convertTransform -o image_opt.svg

(The svgo command, at least the one that’s available via brew on the Mac, has undergone changes to how it’s called. The --enable convertTransform is no longer necessary, as it’s a plugin that’s enabled automatically.)

svgo  -i image.svg --enable convertTransform -o image_opt.svg

6) You’re almost there! But not quite. You’ll need to open the SVG in a text editor (I use BBEdit, but any plain-text editor will work). Edit the start of the SVG so it looks something like this:

<svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"; version="1" viewBox="0 0 489 764">
<title>A white rabbit wearing a waistcoat stands upright consulting a pocket-watch.</title>

<path … etc

The key here is to simplify the viewbox parameters to integers, and put in a descriptive title, which should describe the image for blind or partially-sighted readers and end in a period. Save the file back to disk, making sure it retains the .svg extension.

7) You’re done!

On Oct 19, 2021, at 8:28 PM, Genevieve Segol <genevie...@gmail.com> wrote:

Question:

What should I do with the "image" included in Ch13?

The original image from the scans is attached.  PG replaced it with the description shown in the attachments.  

Note also the typo in the original text ('fortht'), which PG corrected.  Should I do the same?  (Too late for an Editorial commit because I have only added semantic info in the beginning of the chapter before landing on this image.)

Thank you.

[David Grigg]

If you own Acorn, try the "Color Threshold Otsu" filter, it's magic! (I have no idea what "Otsu" means, though!)

On 20 Oct 2021, 2:58 PM +1100, Vince <vr_se...@letterboxes.org>, wrote:

It’s never too late for an Editorial commit. If you already have changes, then you would commit those and then do a separate Editorial commit. But I don’t think this would be considered an editorial commit; it’s part of the source. Editorial commits are changes to the source, not changes to the transcription.

It’s up to Alex as to whether it’s “essential” or not, but since it’s referred to in the text, it probably needs to be converted to SVG and included. I thought someone had added how to do that to our how-to guides, but it doesn’t appear so. Below are the steps that David Grigg gave me long ago, and that I still follow when I have to do one. Since it’s kind of complicated, you might not want to start on it until Alex says it’s definitely needed.

Steps to convert a jpg/png to svg. These are Mac-centric, but most of the tools are avaliable on Windows/Linux. This can also all be done, I’ve been told, with Inkscape (open source graphics program), but Inkscape on a Mac is not very good; you might be more successful if you’re on Windows and/or Linux. But since I’ve never used, and last I heard David hasn’t been successful with it either, you’re on your own. :)

David Grigg’s steps to convert to SVG:

1) I start with the best, highest resolution image I can get.

2) I open it in an image editor (for me, that's Acorn, but most image editors have similar functions) and apply a grayscale filter, tweaking the settings as needed to get the best looking result. Clean it up manually if necessary to get rid of speckles and fill in obviously broken lines. If you’re going to use potrace in the next step, then you should save the file with a .bmp extension, as potrace requires bmp input.

3) I use a program called Image Vectorizer which is in the Mac app store. It costs a few dollars, but it's well worth it. http://www.image-vectorizer.com . Drop the image in here and click on the Vectorize button, then export the SVG result. If you don’t want to buy it, there’s a free command line tool called potrace (which Image Vectorizer drives behind the scenes). If you decide to use potrace, here’s a sample command line:

potrace -b svg -t 5 -z minority -a 1.00 -O 0.2 -r 300 -k 0.6 --flat -o temp.svg -- infile.bmp

4) You're not done yet! The result tends to be poorly optimised . So I run the SVG image through a tool called SVGO (SVG Optimiser). This is a free command line tool. (https://github.com/svg/svgo). However, as a first stage, I run my SVG through an online version of that tool: SVGOMG (https://jakearchibald.github.io/svgomg/) which makes life a lot simpler. Attached is a screenshot showing the settings I use. Thankfully, SVGOMG retains these between sessions.

<SVGOMG settings.jpg>

5) You’re not done yet! SVGOMG does most of the work, but sometimes still leaves the SVG in a state which has features which we don't want, like transforms. So I use this command-line option (after having installed the SVGO command-line tool:

svgo -i image.svg --enable convertTransform -o image_opt.svg

(The svgo command, at least the one that’s available via brew on the Mac, has undergone changes to how it’s called. The --enable convertTransform is no longer necessary, as it’s a plugin that’s enabled automatically.)

svgo  -i image.svg --enable convertTransform -o image_opt.svg

6) You’re almost there! But not quite. You’ll need to open the SVG in a text editor (I use BBEdit, but any plain-text editor will work). Edit the start of the SVG so it looks something like this:

<svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"; version="1" viewBox="0 0 489 764">
<title>A white rabbit wearing a waistcoat stands upright consulting a pocket-watch.</title>

<path … etc

The key here is to simplify the viewbox parameters to integers, and put in a descriptive title, which should describe the image for blind or partially-sighted readers and end in a period. Save the file back to disk, making sure it retains the .svg extension.

7) You’re done!

On Oct 19, 2021, at 8:28 PM, Genevieve Segol <genevie...@gmail.com> wrote:

Question:

What should I do with the "image" included in Ch13?

The original image from the scans is attached.  PG replaced it with the description shown in the attachments.  

Note also the typo in the original text ('fortht'), which PG corrected.  Should I do the same?  (Too late for an Editorial commit because I have only added semantic info in the beginning of the chapter before landing on this image.)

Thank you.

<Ch13_img_scan.png>

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[David Grigg]

This is an explanation of Otsu threshold, which I almost understand!

https://muthu.co/otsus-method-for-image-thresholding-explained-and-implemented/

[Alex Cabal]

Yes, we do want that as an SVG. Inkscape can also trace bitmaps to SVG
and it's free. Create a new document in Inkscape, drag the image into
it, select it then do path -> trace bitmap.

> http://www.image-vectorizer.com <http://www.image-vectorizer.com> . Drop

> the image in here and click on the Vectorize button, then export the SVG
> result. If you don’t want to buy it, there’s a free command line tool
> called potrace (which Image Vectorizer drives behind the scenes). If you
> decide to use potrace, here’s a sample command line:
> potrace -b svg -t 5 -z minority -a 1.00 -O 0.2 -r 300 -k 0.6 --flat -o
> temp.svg -- infile.bmp
>
> 4) You're not done yet! The result tends to be poorly optimised . So I
> run the SVG image through a tool called SVGO (SVG Optimiser). This is a
> free command line tool. (https://github.com/svg/svgo

> <https://githubcom/svg/svgo>). However, as a first stage, I run my SVG

> through an online version of that tool: SVGOMG
> (https://jakearchibald.github.io/svgomg/

> <https://jakearchibald.github.io/svgomg/>) which makes life a lot

> simpler. Attached is a screenshot showing the settings I use.
> Thankfully, SVGOMG retains these between sessions.
>

> 5) You’re not done yet! SVGOMG does most of the work, but sometimes
> still leaves the SVG in a state which has features which we don't want,
> like transforms. So I use this command-line option (after having
> installed the SVGO command-line tool:
> svgo -i image.svg --enable convertTransform -o image_opt.svg
>
> (The svgo command, at least the one that’s available via brew on the
> Mac, has undergone changes to how it’s called. The --enable
> convertTransform is no longer necessary, as it’s a plugin that’s enabled
> automatically.)
> svgo  -i image.svg --enable convertTransform -o image_opt.svg
>
>
> 6) You’re almost there! But not quite. You’ll need to open the SVG in a
> text editor (I use BBEdit, but any plain-text editor will work). Edit
> the start of the SVG so it looks something like this:
>

> <svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" <http://www.w3.org/2000/svg">;

> version="1" viewBox="0 0 489 764">
> <title>A white rabbit wearing a waistcoat stands upright consulting a
> pocket-watch.</title>
> <path … etc
>
> The key here is to simplify the viewbox parameters to integers, and put
> in a descriptive title, which should describe the image for blind or
> partially-sighted readers and end in a period. Save the file back to
> disk, making sure it retains the .svg extension.
>
> 7) You’re done!
>
>
>> On Oct 19, 2021, at 8:28 PM, Genevieve Segol <genevie...@gmail.com

>> <mailto:genevie...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> *Question:*

>> What should I do with the "image" included in Ch13?
>> The original image from the scans is attached.  PG replaced it with
>> the description shown in the attachments.
>> Note also the typo in the original text ('fortht'), which PG
>> corrected.  Should I do the same?  (Too late for an Editorial commit
>> because I have only added semantic info in the beginning of the
>> chapter before landing on this image.)
>>
>> Thank you.
>

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[Genevieve Segol]

If a newspaper has a Sunday edition, do we italicize Sunday as well as the newspaper name?

i.e.,

Sunday <i epub:type="se:name.publication.newspaper">Advocate-Times</i>,

or

 <i epub:type="se:name.publication.newspaper">Sunday Advocate-Times</i>

Thank you.

[Matt Chan]

In the UK, these are often papers published independently; e.g. The Times and The Sunday Times are owned by the same company but are independent papers. Hard to say what the case is for this one, especially if it might be fictional?

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[B Keith]

Given that it is capitalized, it is likely  part of the official title, so yes include it in the semantics.

On Oct 29, 2021, at 12:34 AM, Genevieve Segol <genevie...@gmail.com> wrote:

If a newspaper has a Sunday edition, do we italicize Sunday as well as the newspaper name?

i.e.,

Sunday <i epub:type="se:name.publication.newspaper">Advocate-Times</i>,

or

 <i epub:type="se:name.publication.newspaper">Sunday Advocate-Times</i>

Thank you.

On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 8:15:51 AM UTC-7 Alex Cabal wrote:

Yes, we do want that as an SVG. Inkscape can also trace bitmaps to SVG 
and it's free. Create a new document in Inkscape, drag the image into 
it, select it then do path -> trace bitmap. 

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[Vince Rice]

Without weighing in on the answer, isn’t Sunday always capitalized? How would that matter? Or was that not what you meant by “it”?

Genevieve, more context will likely indicate whether the Sunday was an adjective or part of the title.

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Given that it is capitalized, it is likely  part of the official title, so yes include it in the semantics.

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[Alex Cabal]

Well, dates of week are *always* capitalized... As Matt says, it depends
on whether or not "Sunday" is actually part of the name of the paper.
You have to decide that based on context.

On 10/29/21 9:46 AM, B Keith wrote:
> Given that it is capitalized, it is likely  part of the official title,
> so yes include it in the semantics.
>
>> On Oct 29, 2021, at 12:34 AM, Genevieve Segol

>> <genevie...@gmail.com <mailto:genevie...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> If a newspaper has a Sunday edition, do we italicize Sunday as well as
>> the newspaper name?
>> i.e.,
>> Sunday <i epub:type="se:name.publication.newspaper">Advocate-Times</i>,
>> or
>>  <i epub:type="se:name.publication.newspaper">Sunday Advocate-Times</i>
>> Thank you.
>> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 8:15:51 AM UTC-7 Alex Cabal wrote:
>>
>> Yes, we do want that as an SVG. Inkscape can also trace bitmaps to SVG
>> and it's free. Create a new document in Inkscape, drag the image into
>> it, select it then do path -> trace bitmap.
>>
>>
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[Genevieve Segol]

This is a fictional, small-town newspaper.  Almost certainly not an independent publication.  Thus, I think it makes more sense to leave Sunday out of the title--i.e., no italics.

[B Keith]

Lol. Not so surprisingly I have a bad habit of lower casing things like months and days. I should of checked before opening my big mouth ;-)

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[Genevieve Segol]

Question about punctuation following italics.

Please see the two attachments.  The exclamation mark is italicized in the original, but according to the SE manual of style--as I understand it--it should not be.  

Should I follow the scans or the manual?  Note that there are several such cases in the book.  

Thank you.

[Vince Rice]

Always follow the manual.

On Nov 3, 2021, at 12:50 AM, Genevieve Segol <genevie...@gmail.com> wrote:

Question about punctuation following italics.

[Genevieve Segol]

Please explain this error:

S-034: Semantic used from the z3998 vocabulary, but the same semantic exists in the EPUB vocabulary.

<blockquote epub:type="z3998:notice">

The blockquote is used to bracket the indented text in the attachment.

Thank you.

[Genevieve Segol]

Related question (sort of).

t-015: 

Lint wants a comma separator in the '$4000 (see attachment above).  Should I "correct" the original?

Thanks

[maticstric]

Not saying anything about whether that sematic is correct here (I personally don't think it fits):

The error is that we prefer the EPUB vocabulary over the z3998 vocabulary (and the z3998 over the SE vocabulary). Look at https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.6.2/single-page#4.2.1, https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.6.2/single-page#4.2.2, and https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.6.2/single-page#4.2.3

Both the EPUB vocab and the z3998 vocab include "notice" (https://idpf.github.io/epub-vocabs/structure/#notice, https://www.daisy.org/z3998/2012/vocab/structure/#notice) so you should use the EPUB one over the z3998 one (i.e. it should be <blockquote epub:type="notice">).

And yes, you should comma separate the 4000: https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.6.2/single-page#8.8.4

[Alex Cabal]

Correct. But Genevieve if you read the semantic description, neither one
fits a blockquote in fiction.

>> *Question about punctuation following italics.*

>> Please see the two attachments.  The exclamation mark is
>> italicized in the original, but according to the SE manual
>> of style--as I understand it--it should not be.
>> Should I follow the scans or the manual?  Note that there
>> are several such cases in the book.
>> Thank you.
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[Genevieve Segol]

s-077 :   <header> element preceded by non-sectioning element.  

The error points to the second <header> below.  So, how should this insert (attached) be formatted?

<blockquote>

<header>

<p>

<b>Do you respect your loved ones?</b>

</p>

<p>When the last sad rites of bereavement are over, do you know for certain that you have done your best for the Departed? You haven’t unless they lie in the Cemetery Beautiful,</p>

</header>

<header>

<p>

<b>Linden Lane</b>

</p>

<p>the only strictly up-to-date burial place in or near Zenith, where exquisitely gardened plots look from daisy-dotted hill-slopes across the smiling fields of Dorchester.</p>

</header>

Thanks

[Emma Sweeney]

The first header should only surround "Do You Respect Your Loved Ones?" You can remove the second header entirely. You'll need to create CSS that targets "Linden Lane" and uses the same properties as the header.

Emma

[Genevieve Segol]

Thank you, Emma.

[Genevieve Segol]

t-042:  Possible typo: no punctuation before conjunction But/And/For/Nor/Yet/Or. 

"<p>“And there’s no If, And or But about it! "

How do I fix this?  

Thank you.

[Vince]

It’s just a false positive, you’ll need to create an ignore file for it.

[Genevieve Segol]

Thank you, Vince.

One more thing.  Can you explain error x-008 "Elements should end with a single >."?

I looked for '>>' in the text, but there is none.  So, what is the meaning of this error?  

Thanks again.

[maticstric]

There's an extra ">" in the h2 tag of chapter 6.

[Genevieve Segol]

I think I understand the problem.  I have removed the extra > that shows up on Github, but did not commit the change locally.  So, i guess that lint is checking the committed version.

Thanks for your help.

[Vince]

No, it checks the current version of the files. Lint has no idea what’s committed and what isn’t—in fact it works even if there’s no git repository at all. Is it possible you hadn’t saved the file which still caused it to show up?

Also, note that “ &gt;” counts as one (or both) of the two greater than signs. (This is one where it would be helpful if lint displayed the match.)

[Genevieve Segol]

Proposed cover image

https://www.nga.gov/collection/art-object-page.56720.html

[Alex Cabal]

Babbit is set in the 20s, the costume on those people is a little too
anachronistic I think. Can you find something else?

On 12/4/21 1:11 AM, Genevieve Segol wrote:
> Proposed cover image
> https://www.nga.gov/collection/art-object-page.56720.html
>
> On Friday, December 3, 2021 at 1:25:44 PM UTC-8 Vince wrote:
>
> No, it checks the current version of the files. Lint has no idea
> what’s committed and what isn’t—in fact it works even if there’s no

> git repository at all. Is it possible you hadn’t /saved/ the file

> which still caused it to show up?
>
> Also, note that “ &gt;” counts as one (or both) of the two greater
> than signs. (This is one where it would be helpful if lint displayed
> the match.)
>
>
>> On Dec 3, 2021, at 3:14 PM, Genevieve Segol <genevie...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I think I understand the problem.  I have removed the extra > that
>> shows up on Github, but did not commit the change locally.  So, i
>> guess that lint is checking the committed version.
>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>> On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 6:21:47 PM UTC-8 maticstric wrote:
>>
>> There's an extra ">" in the h2 tag of chapter 6.
>> On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 6:15:39 PM
>> UTC-8genevie...@gmail.comwrote:
>>
>> Thank you, Vince.
>>
>> One more thing.  Can you explain error x-008"Elements
>> should end with a single >."?
>>
>> I looked for '>>' in the text, but there is none.  So,
>> what is the meaning of this error?
>> Thanks again.
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[Arthur Andrew Gibson]

Just chiming in here because I think this might be a good cover. I'm unable to determine if it's actually in the public domain or not but it's one to consider.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Joseph_E_Widener_by_Augustus_John_1921.jpg

[Genevieve Segol]

Arthur,

Thank you for your help.  I checked the NGA, but the image you suggested is not available for download, so I assume it does not fit the public domain definition.

[Alex Cabal]

I think that one has the same problem... it's costume from 1866 and the
guy's newspaper is in French, when Babbitt is set in the 1920s US.

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> Arthur,
> Thank you for your help.  I checked the NGA, but the image you suggested
> is not available for download, so I assume it does not fit the public
> domain definition.
>

> Alex,
> How about this one?
> https://www.nga.gov/collection/art-object-page.52085.html
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[Robin Whittleton]

I’ve been hoarding this CC0 1922 portrait from Rijksmuseum for a future production, but potentially it’s good for Babbitt? https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/collection/SK-A-4893

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[Alex Cabal]

That would work. Note that we can do something besides a portrait. What
else is going on in that novel that we could find a painting on, to give
us more options than a portrait?

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> production, but potentially it’s good for Babbitt?
> https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/collection/SK-A-4893
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[Genevieve Segol]

How about this one?

https://www.nga.gov/collection/art-object-page.52397.html

[Alex Cabal]

I like it but we prefer to reserve abstract/cubist art like this for sci
fi productions, because finding oil painting art for sci fi is very
hard. This looks like it would be a good pick for a time travel kind of
book.

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[Genevieve Segol]

Cover image?

https://www.nga.gov/collection/art-object-page.50823.html

[Alex Cabal]

Again, this costume is not time period appropriate. It's from 1845,
almost 100 years before the setting of Babbit. What about the painting
Robin suggested? That one is time period appropriate.

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[Genevieve Segol]

Babbitt is a middle-class fool.  The character in Robin's image is way too aristocratic for the personage, in my opinion.  But if someone wants to take over and complete my project, that is fine with me.  The chapters are done (but not proof-read).  Colophon and content need to be completed.

https://github.com/gsegol/sinclair-lewis_babbitt

[B Keith]

Don’t give up! I had the same issue with a bunch of Wodehouse’s stuff…it is hard to find painting s from the 20s. Do try finding a painting you like and then searching archive.org so see if you can find a printing of it. Sometimes you luck out. 

We really should have a warning on the newer books that images are a lot harder to find :-)

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[Bob R. Kenyon]

Both the books I did were written in the 20th century, one in the 50’s! Both books were difficult to find covers for, but I kept looking and learned about some new artists in the process…

Bob

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[Jason DeCock]

I noticed that the "National Portrait Gallery" section of the Smithsonian has several CC0 portraits in it that are relatively modern. I don't know if any of these fit what you're after, but maybe it'll help.

https://npg.si.edu/object/npg_NPG.67.58
https://npg.si.edu/object/npg_NPG.96.131
https://npg.si.edu/object/npg_NPG.83.137

[Alex Cabal]

The 2nd one would work well. The other two are famous personalities so
maybe not a great match for any cover. (Booth Tarkington would probably
be pretty upset at being the image of a caricature of modernity!)

On 12/17/21 4:06 PM, Jason DeCock wrote:
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> Smithsonian has several CC0 portraits in it that are relatively modern.
> I don't know if any of these fit what you're after, but maybe it'll help.
>
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> https://npg.si.edu/object/npg_NPG.96.131
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>
> On Friday, December 17, 2021 at 1:30:15 PM UTC-7 b...@bobrk.com wrote:
>
> Both the books I did were written in the 20th century, one in the
> 50’s! Both books were difficult to find covers for, but I kept
> looking and learned about some new artists in the process…
>
> Bob
>
>> On Dec 17, 2021, at 12:25, B Keith <bois...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Don’t give up! I had the same issue with a bunch of Wodehouse’s
>> stuff…it is hard to find painting s from the 20s. Do try finding a
>> painting you like and then searching archive.org

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[Genevieve Segol]

How about this for the cover page?

https://www.nga.gov/collection/art-object-page.21957.html

[Emma Sweeney]

Unfortunately, that's not an oil painting.

Emma

[Alex Cabal]

It's not, but you can't really tell, so I think this works!

[Genevieve Segol]

Error C-015: Element after or containing z3998:salutation does not have text-indent: 0;.   

Can you please explain what is wrong (see attachment)?

[Weijia Cheng]

I believe you're missing this CSS for 7.7.2.5:

[epub|type~="z3998:salutation"] + p,
[epub|type~="z3998:letter"] header + p{
        text-indent: 0;
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[Weijia Cheng]

(The deleted message had a misleading suggestion about putting the salutation in a header. I had forgot about 7.7.2.2 when I sent it.)

[Genevieve Segol]

There is a speech starting with a double quotation mark and a single quotation mark, running through several paragraphs.  Both types of quotation marks close at the end of the last paragraph.  However, I get a t-003 error if there is another set of quotation marks (double) in the course of the speech.  In other words:

" ' first par bla bla bla 

" ' second par "an inner quote"

" ' third par

" ' last paragraph ' "

In the above example,  lint shows an error for the second paragraph.

I attach an example.  I don't know what I get this error--and how to fix it.

Thank you.

[Emma Sweeney]

In your screen shot it looks like the paragraph starts with a left double quote followed by a right single quote. The right single quote should be a left single quote.

Emma

[Alex Cabal]

Correct, and it happens twice in the screenshot

On 1/17/22 2:54 AM, Emma Sweeney wrote:
> In your screen shot it looks like the paragraph starts with a left
> double quote followed by a right single quote. The right single quote
> should be a left single quote.
>
> Emma
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 2:41:11 AM UTC-5 genevie...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> There is a speech starting with a double quotation mark and a single
> quotation mark, running through several paragraphs.  Both types of
> quotation marks close at the end of the last paragraph.  However, I
> get a t-003 error if there is another set of quotation marks
> (double) in the course of the speech.  In other words:
> " ' first par bla bla bla
> " ' second par "an inner quote"
> " ' third par
> " ' last paragraph ' "
> In the above example,  lint shows an error for the second paragraph.
> I attach an example.  I don't know what I get this error--and how to
> fix it.
>
> Thank you.
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 2:52:26 PM UTC-8 weijia...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> (The deleted message had a misleading suggestion about putting
> the salutation in a header. I had forgot about 7.7.2.2

> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.6.2/7-high-level-structural-patterns#7.7.2.2>

> when I sent it.)
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 2:50:02 PM UTC-8 Weijia Cheng wrote:
>
> I believe you're missing this CSS for 7.7.2.5

> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.6.2/7-high-level-structural-patterns#7.7.2.5>:

> <https://npg.si.edu/object/npg_NPG.67.58>
> >
> https://npg.si.edu/object/npg_NPG.96.131
> <https://npg.si.edu/object/npg_NPG.96.131>
> >
> https://npg.si.edu/object/npg_NPG.83.137

> <https://npg.si.edu/object/npg_NPG.83.137>
> >
> > On Friday, December 17, 2021 at
> 1:30:15 PM UTC-7 b...@bobrk.com wrote:
> >
> > Both the books I did were written in
> the 20th century, one in the
> > 50’s! Both books were difficult to
> find covers for, but I kept
> > looking and learned about some new
> artists in the process…
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >> On Dec 17, 2021, at 12:25, B Keith
> <bois...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Don’t give up! I had the same issue
> with a bunch of Wodehouse’s
> >> stuff…it is hard to find painting s
> from the 20s. Do try finding a
> >> painting you like and then searching
> archive.org <http://archive.org>

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[Genevieve Segol]

Thanks.  I can't really tell.  They were inserted automatically, but I will replace (copy/paste) them all.

[Alex Cabal]

If you can't tell what a character is, copy it and use `se
unicode-names` to print out its full name. This tool is specifically for
that purpose and to tell confusables apart like thin spaces, en/em
dashes, etc.

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[David Grigg]

“I can’t really tell”. Yes, it can be difficult. If you have an editor which lets you change the font, you might be interested in this discussion which includes a link to a customised font I developed which makes the shape of quotes much more obvious, and has special glyphs for dashes:

https://groups.google.com/g/standardebooks/c/RalRqLuT4Vk/m/9BQKRNmPBAAJ

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[Genevieve Segol]

Thank you, David!

[Genevieve Segol]

I don't know how to start a new paragraph within this footer (see attachments).  

If I use a <p> tag, I get a c-011 error "Element with text-align: center; but text-indent is 1em."

If I use a <br/> tag, I get a s-014 error "<br/> after block-level element. "

There is probably something to add or change in css, which drives me crazy.  

Thank you!

[Robin Whittleton]

Postscripts start a new paragraph. See https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.6.3/single-page#7.7.3.5.

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<local.css><Screen Shot 2022-01-22 at 23.00.23.png><ps_ch3.pdf>

[David Grigg]

Genevieve: I’m not sure why you are styling the footer with text-align center. If you cut and paste the CSS for letters from the manual you’ll be in pretty good shape. Because there are several paragraphs within the postscript, though, you should group them within a <div epub:type="Z3998:postscript"> … </div>.

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[Emma Sweeney]

The footer is centered in the advertisement in chapter 6. Since you now have footers that require different stylings, you'll need to adjust your advertisement CSS to only affect that chapter. You can do that by adding "#chapter-6" to the selectors.

Emma

[Genevieve Segol]

I need help with this x-003 error concerning the illustration. 
 Illegal transform attribute. SVGs should be optimized to remove use of transform. Try using Inkscape to save as an “optimized SVG”.

transform="matrix(.09524 0 0 -.09524 -26 243.937)" 

I followed David's method (see October 19 posting) and bought the Vectorizer app ( http://www.image-vectorizer.com ) since Inkscape does not work with the Mac.  I probably did something wrong.  

ima_ch13.png (attached) is the illustration as it appears in the scanned document.  The other png file is the cleanest rendition of this drawing I could get before conversion to svg.

Thank you.

[Emma Sweeney]

I've attached an SVG that I hope will work. Let me know if you still get an error.

Emma

[B Keith]

Inkscape does indeed work with a Mac…

https://inkscape.org/release/all/mac-os-x/

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<illustration-1.png><img_ch13.png><illustration-1.svg>

[Vince]

It doesn’t. It’s available for a Mac, but the user experience is bad to awful for even the simplest things. They’ve made an effort the last couple of years, but they don’t have any experienced Mac developers, and they have a ton of long-standing issues on the platform.

On Jan 26, 2022, at 9:27 AM, B Keith <bois...@gmail.com> wrote:

Inkscape does indeed work with a Mac…

https://inkscape.org/release/all/mac-os-x/

<Screenshot 2022-01-26 at 8.25.32 AM.jpeg>

[B Keith]

Huh. I haven't had much issues with it — though admittedly I only use it for  cleaning up Standard SVGs

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[Genevieve Segol]

Thank you very much, Emma!  Using your file, I no longer get the x-003 error.  However, I get an x-001 error 

"String UTF-8 must always be lowercase."  
The only text in the entire file is the title:

<title>Sketch and doodles inserted in chapter 13</title>

so I changed Sketch to sketch, which makes no difference.  

Any other idea?

[Genevieve Segol]

Something else:

Can you find what is wrong in the way I reference the scans:

<a href="https://archive.org/details/babbitt00lewiuoft">

This earns me an m-037 in the colophon and m-007 in content.opf.  Yet, if I paste this link in the browser, I get right to it.

???

[Emma Sweeney]

x-001 is referring to encoding="UTF-8". You need to convert it to encoding="utf-8".

I can't recreate the other errors with your repository. The link does work, but there may be some other problem in your local files. You'll have to push your most recent changes to your repository for me to see what you're seeing.

Check if you have the latest toolset version. You can do that by running pipx upgrade standardebooks. Another thing to check for is that the link is also pasted in the imprint.

Emma

[Genevieve Segol]

Thank you, Emma.

I have upgraded to se 2.3.4 and pushed the most recent version of the project to GitHub.  But now i cannot even run lint.  

" Couldn’t read file: /Users/gsegol/sinclair-lewis_babbitt/src/epub/images/illustration-1.svg"

[B Keith]

Genevieve,

You’ve got it in the wrong folder. Its in: 

sinclair-lewis_babbitt/images/illustration-1.svg 

rather than in :

sinclair-lewis_babbitt/src/epub/images/illustration-1.svg

I also think your id in the content.opf is wrong:

<item href="images/illustration-1.svg" id="logo.svg" media-type="image/svg+xml"/>

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[Genevieve Segol]

Grrr. I forgot there are two images folders.

Thanks for your help.

[Genevieve Segol]

For this paragraph (attached, I get a t-037 error

 ” preceded by space. 
and a t-042 error

 Possible typo: ‘ followed by space. 

Do I need some unicode before or after the quote?  But then, there are dozens of such occurrences in the book, and this is the only time (ch19) where lint gives an error...

Thanks for your help. 

[Genevieve Segol]

Something else:

I get three f-type errors with the same message (example attached):

File does not match

/Users/gsegol/.local/pipx/venvs/standardebooks/lib…

f-004 points to core.css

f-014 points to se.css

f-006 points to uncopyright.xhtml

I did not touch any of those files.  They were created before the latest se version, so perhaps they are not up to date?

How can I fix this?

Thank you.

[David Grigg]

Just make sure you're running the current version of the toolkit and have a look in /Users/[Your name]/tools/se/data/templates if you're on a Mac or the equivalent on Windows. Or do a dummy se create-draft -a="author name" -t="book title" and copy those files from there.

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[Emma Sweeney]

For t-037, the single quotes around ’Georgie, old bean, I like Lucile first-rate, but you and me, George, we got to make her get over this highty-tighty hooptediddle way she’s got.‘ are in the wrong direction.

For m-007 and m-037, I only see these errors in your imprint. Make sure you have the same link across your content.opf, colophon, and imprint.

Emma

[Genevieve Segol]

David and Emma, thank you very much.

I am down to two errors (see attachment). :-)

m-28:  I don't have the slightest idea of what this is about.

m-042:  I need information on the "expected structure."  I compared my manifest with the one in Dr. Jekyll, and the only difference I see (besides the number of chapters) is the additional illustration-1.svg file.  Should it appear before or after titlepage.svg?

Thanks again for your help.

[David Grigg]

You should just be able to run se build-manifest again to clear the second of those issues.

I’m not sure about the first as I am not at my computer at the moment so can’t look it up. 

Cheers, David

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[Genevieve Segol]

Thank you, David.  Once I rebuilt the manifest, both errors went away. 

On to proofreading . . .

[Genevieve Segol]

Questions about letter formatting (please see attachment)

1. Are the sender's address and the recipient's address part of the header, above the salutation, or in separate block quotes?

2. Does the formatting for these addresses (left justified for the recipient, right justified for the sender) need to be in css or can I specify it in the text since this is a "single-use" case?

I could not find the answer to these questions in the style manual, but if is there, please give me the reference.

Thank you.