[Next project] Barnaby Rudge by Charles Dickens

[Stephen Fenwick]

I'd like to take this on next:

Barnaby Rudge: A Tale of the Riots of 'Eighty by Charles Dickens | Project Gutenberg

Barnaby Rudge : Dickens, Charles, 1812-1870 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Things that appeal after Varieties of Religious Experience are:

 - no end notes

 - no block quotes

The original includes quite a few illustrations. Should I include those in the ebook?

[Alex Cabal]

OK, sure. Don't include the illustrations, we cut all decorative
illustrations as a matter of general policy. Please send a link to your
repo once you start.

On 3/5/26 9:47 PM, Stephen Fenwick wrote:
> I'd like to take this on next:
> Barnaby Rudge: A Tale of the Riots of 'Eighty by Charles Dickens |

> Project Gutenberg <https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/917>

> Barnaby Rudge : Dickens, Charles, 1812-1870 : Free Download, Borrow, and

> Streaming : Internet Archive <https://archive.org/details/
> barnabyrudge00dickrich/page/16/mode/2up>

>
> Things that appeal after Varieties of Religious Experience are:
>  - no end notes
>  - no block quotes
>
> The original includes quite a few illustrations. Should I include those
> in the ebook?
>

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[Stephen Fenwick]

Great. The repo is here

https://github.com/spfenwick/charles-dickens_barnaby-rudge

[Alex Cabal]

OK, Weijia will manage with David reviewing.

On 3/6/26 2:07 PM, Stephen Fenwick wrote:
> Great. The repo is here

> https://github.com/spfenwick/charles-dickens_barnaby-rudge <https://
> github.com/spfenwick/charles-dickens_barnaby-rudge>

>
> On Saturday, March 7, 2026 at 3:40:08 AM UTC+13 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> OK, sure. Don't include the illustrations, we cut all decorative
> illustrations as a matter of general policy. Please send a link to your
> repo once you start.
>
> On 3/5/26 9:47 PM, Stephen Fenwick wrote:
> > I'd like to take this on next:
> > Barnaby Rudge: A Tale of the Riots of 'Eighty by Charles Dickens |

> > Project Gutenberg <https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/917 <https://

> www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/917>>
> > Barnaby Rudge : Dickens, Charles, 1812-1870 : Free Download,
> Borrow, and
> > Streaming : Internet Archive <https://archive.org/details/
> <https://archive.org/details/>
> > barnabyrudge00dickrich/page/16/mode/2up>
> >
> > Things that appeal after Varieties of Religious Experience are:
> >  - no end notes
> >  - no block quotes
> >
> > The original includes quite a few illustrations. Should I include
> those
> > in the ebook?
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[Weijia Cheng]

Ok, noted.

[Stephen Fenwick]

I've been a bit stuck finding a cover image. Would this be appropriate? It's not directly related to Barnaby Rudge but the overall theme seems right and it's public domain.

George Morland - The Bell Inn - The Metropolitan Museum of Art

[Stephen Fenwick]

This is how the cover comes out. By cropping most of the sky I was able to get the people clear of the title box.

[Emma Sweeney]

Unfortunately, that painting is already in use for The Playboy of the Western World.

It looks like Dolly Varden by William Powell Frith appears on some editions Barnaby Rudge (PD proof).

Emma

[Stephen Fenwick]

Dolly Varden would be ideal, but I don't have access to that PD proof link. If the proof check out I'm happy to go with that.

[David]

I went ahead and uploaded the Frith, "Dolly Varden" painting to the Artworks db. I used the best-quality, highest res image I could find, but if there's a better one, perhaps this one can be replaced?

Hope that helps!

David / FIfe, UK

[Stephen Fenwick]

Great, thank you. There's a higher resolution image here:  William_Powell_Frith_Dolly_Varden_1843.jpg (2646×3300). It looks like this is a slightly different version of the painting though, so I'm not sure if this one has an acceptable PD proof.

[Alex Cabal]

No, that is a totally different painting. Not useful for PD proof.

On 3/31/26 1:37 PM, Stephen Fenwick wrote:
> Great, thank you. There's a higher resolution image here:

> William_Powell_Frith_Dolly_Varden_1843.jpg (2646×3300) <https://
> upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/
> William_Powell_Frith_Dolly_Varden_1843.jpg>. It looks like this is a

> slightly different version of the painting though, so I'm not sure if
> this one has an acceptable PD proof.
>
> On Wednesday, April 1, 2026 at 4:21:55 AM UTC+13 David wrote:
>
> I went ahead and uploaded the Frith, "Dolly Varden" painting to the

> Artworks db <https://standardebooks.org/artworks/william-powell-
> frith/dolly-varden>. I used the best-quality, highest res image I

> could find, but if there's a better one, perhaps this one can be
> replaced?
>
> Hope that helps!
>
> David / FIfe, UK
>
> On Tuesday, 31 March 2026 at 07:41:10 UTC+1 spfe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Dolly Varden would be ideal, but I don't have access to that PD
> proof link. If the proof check out I'm happy to go with that.
>
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2026 at 7:10:16 PM UTC+13 Emma Sweeney wrote:
>

> Unfortunately, that painting <https://standardebooks.org/
> artworks/george-morland/the-bell-inn> is already in use
> for/ The Playboy of the Western World./
>
> It looks like /Dolly Varden/ by William Powell Frith
> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/
> File:Dolly_Varden_by_William_Powell_Frith.jpg> appears on
> some editions /Barnaby Rudge/ (PD proof <https://
> babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?
> id=nyp.33433105330488&seq=186&view=1up>).

>
>
> Emma
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2026 at 1:47:54 AM UTC-4
> spfe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I've been a bit stuck finding a cover image. Would this
> be appropriate? It's not directly related to Barnaby
> Rudge but the overall theme seems right and it's public
> domain.
> George Morland - The Bell Inn - The Metropolitan Museum

> of Art <https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/
> search/437161>

>
> On Saturday, March 7, 2026 at 9:50:50 AM UTC+13
> weij...@bu.edu wrote:
>
> Ok, noted.
>
> On Friday, March 6, 2026 at 3:09:36 PM UTC-5 Alex
> Cabal wrote:
>
> OK, Weijia will manage with David reviewing.
>
> On 3/6/26 2:07 PM, Stephen Fenwick wrote:
> > Great. The repo is here
> > https://github.com/spfenwick/charles-
> dickens_barnaby-rudge <https://github.com/

> spfenwick/charles-dickens_barnaby-rudge> <https://
> > github.com/spfenwick/charles-dickens_barnaby-
> rudge <http://github.com/spfenwick/charles-

> dickens_barnaby-rudge>>
> >
> > On Saturday, March 7, 2026 at 3:40:08 AM
> UTC+13 Alex Cabal wrote:
> >
> > OK, sure. Don't include the illustrations, we
> cut all decorative
> > illustrations as a matter of general policy.
> Please send a link to your
> > repo once you start.
> >
> > On 3/5/26 9:47 PM, Stephen Fenwick wrote:
> > > I'd like to take this on next:
> > > Barnaby Rudge: A Tale of the Riots of
> 'Eighty by Charles Dickens |
> > > Project Gutenberg <https://
> www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/917 <https://

> www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/917> <https://
> > www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/917 <http://

> www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/917>>>
> > > Barnaby Rudge : Dickens, Charles,
> 1812-1870 : Free Download,
> > Borrow, and
> > > Streaming : Internet Archive <https://
> archive.org/details/ <https://archive.org/details/>

> > <https://archive.org/details/ <https://

> archive.org/details/>>
> > > barnabyrudge00dickrich/page/16/mode/2up>
> > >
> > > Things that appeal after Varieties of
> Religious Experience are:
> > >  - no end notes
> > >  - no block quotes
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> > > The original includes quite a few
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[Stephen Fenwick]

A higher resolution scan of the PD painting is here: https://framemark.vam.ac.uk/collections/2018LF0428/full/full/0/default.jpg

That's on the V&A Museum image server. The link is publicly accessible (I found it using Claude.ai) though if I was to download it via V&A website I'd need to accept their T&Cs. Is this an obstacle to using the high res image?

Also, in line with the SEMoS instruction "The arrangement of the text is a suggestion, and may be changed by the producer in case a more visually-pleasing arrangment is desired." I've moved the title box to the top of the cover image. I think this gives a much better result as otherwise the box covers up the character's legs and feet. Is this acceptable?

[Weijia Cheng]

My understanding is (please correct my if I'm wrong, Alex) is that if we can prove that the painting is PD, it doesn't matter where we source the scans from. But the image that David uploaded looks totally fine to me and there's no any particular need to use this bigger version.

The title box always goes on the bottom. The instruction that you are looking at is talking about the text within the box, not the positon of the box itself.

[Stephen Fenwick]

If the title box needs to go on the bottom it will look something like this. Personally I prefer the first one though I'm happy to stick to the standard if needed.

:

[Weijia Cheng]

Yes, please stick to the standard. This version still looks very good.