[Next project] Romance by Joseph Conrad, Ford Madox Ford

[Szymon Szott]

Hi!

Having slowly recovered from my previous four-volume production, I’d now like to tackle the next missing book from Conrad’s bibliography which is another collab with Ford Maddox Ford:
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/17642
https://archive.org/details/romancenovelbyjo0000illu/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_(novel)
https://github.com/SzymonSzott/joseph-conrad_ford-madox-ford_romance

Best,
Szymon

[Alex Cabal]

OK, Lukas will manage with Robin reviewing.

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[Szymon Szott]

Lukas, I have a question on language semantics. On one of my previous productions, I received the following remark from an editor:

"Savoir vivre only appears in the unabridged dictionary and hence still needs italics. You can tell if the word is from the unabridged dictionary by scrolling to the bottom to see if you see the box that says "The Ultimate Dictionary Awaits / Expand your vocabulary and dive deeper into language with Merriam-Webster Unabridged."

In my current book, the phrase caballero appears a lot and it's originally italicized. I found it in M-W Unabridged: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/caballero

But a quick search of SE repositories indicates that no one (including me on previous productions) is italicizing it: https://github.com/search?q=org%3Astandardebooks+caballero&type=code

What's the correct way?

[Lukas Bystricky]

Long story short, italics on savoir vivre, but not on caballero is correct. 

Searching "caballero" and scrolling to the bottom you'll see:

This is on the bottom of every definition, including those in the abridged dictionary.

If you search "savoir vivre" on MW and scroll down to the bottom you'll see:

This means that it's not in the abridged MW and hence needs italics (if it's indeed a foreign word). 

I wish there was a better way to tell from the website, especially since this does seem like something that could change in the future without warning, but for now that's the easiest way I know to tell if a word is in the abridged dictionary or not. Another way is to use the free MW phone app. The app only shows words in the abridged dictionary. For example it doesn't give any results for "savoir vivre." 

[Szymon Szott]

Thanks Lukas! Those side-by-side screenshots were particularly helpful!

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[Szymon Szott]

Lukas, one more small question regarding a single italicized sentence that uses two languages:

<p>“<i>Votre père dort sans doute, Señorita</i>.”</p>

Have I applied semantics correctly?

<p>“<i xml:lang="fr">Votre père dort sans doute,</i> <i xml:lang="es">Señorita.</i>”</p>

[Lukas Bystricky]

I would say the whole thing can go inside the French tags. Señorita is in MW, so if it's outside the French tag it wouldn't get italics at all. 

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[Szymon Szott]

Right, thanks! I totally forgot about that aspect! :)

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[Szymon Szott]

Lukas, I have one more corner case (Castro is a surname):

<p>“He is civil to me. <i>Amigo Castro</i> here, and <i>Amigo Castro</i> there. [...]

I've removed italics from 'amigo' elsewhere (because it's in M-W) but I'm not sure if I should leave the italics here (adding language semantics) or perhaps remove italics but add single quotes (as an [Editorial] commit)?

[Lukas Bystricky]

I think replacing the italics with quotes is the best option.

[Szymon Szott]

Thanks, Lukas for all the previous replies! On page 192 there's this tricky text in Latin:
https://archive.org/details/romancenovelbyjo0000illu/page/193/mode/1up

Have I correctly fixed the punctuation in this commit?

[Alex Cabal]

Looks good

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[Szymon Szott]

Thanks Alex! Having resolved the 500 <i> tags and all lint errors, I can finally move on to proofreading! :-)