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Emma Sweeney
Apr 22, 2025, 8:34:29 PMApr 22
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While I was adding works to my to-do list I found another Middle High German epic called Kudrun. This epic poem is seen as a deliberate antithesis to the Nibelungenlied. The best translation is by Mary Pickering Nichols, and there is a PG transcription available.
This translation uses the alternate spelling "Gudrun" for the title and main character's name. I think we should also use "Gudrun" for the title to match the character's name in the transcription.
PG transcription: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/46109
page scans: https://archive.org/details/gudrunmediaevale00nichialaI also found a painting that could work for the cover.
Skizze zum Nibelungenring: Abschied Siegfrieds von Brünhilde by Michael Echter
Emma
Alex Cabal
Apr 23, 2025, 1:12:20 PMApr 23
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OK, Lukas will manage this with Robin reviewing.
Next time please send a link to your repo so I can add it to the
projects page.
For the cover art, I would crop it to exclude the frame. At the very
least we should exclude the pencil marks in the top right.
On 4/22/25 7:34 PM, Emma Sweeney wrote:
> While I was adding works to my to-do list I found another Middle High
> German epic called Kudrun <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kudrun>. This
> www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/46109>
> page scans: https://archive.org/details/gudrunmediaevale00nichiala
> <https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/46109>
> standardebooks.org/artworks/michael-echter/skizze-zum-nibelungenring-
> abschied-siegfrieds-von-brunhilde> by Michael Echter
>
> cover-gudrun-1.jpg
>
>
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Next time please send a link to your repo so I can add it to the
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For the cover art, I would crop it to exclude the frame. At the very
least we should exclude the pencil marks in the top right.
On 4/22/25 7:34 PM, Emma Sweeney wrote:
> While I was adding works to my to-do list I found another Middle High
> epic poem is seen as a deliberate antithesis to the Nibelungenlied. The
> best translation is by Mary Pickering Nichols, and there is a PG
> transcription available.
>
> This translation uses the alternate spelling "Gudrun" for the title and
> main character's name. I think we should also use "Gudrun" for the title
> to match the character's name in the transcription.
>
> PG transcription: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/46109 <https://
> best translation is by Mary Pickering Nichols, and there is a PG
> transcription available.
>
> This translation uses the alternate spelling "Gudrun" for the title and
> main character's name. I think we should also use "Gudrun" for the title
> to match the character's name in the transcription.
>
> www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/46109>
> page scans: https://archive.org/details/gudrunmediaevale00nichiala
> <https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/46109>
>
> I also found a painting that could work for the cover.
>
> Skizze zum Nibelungenring: Abschied Siegfrieds von Brünhilde <https://
> I also found a painting that could work for the cover.
>
> standardebooks.org/artworks/michael-echter/skizze-zum-nibelungenring-
> abschied-siegfrieds-von-brunhilde> by Michael Echter
>
> cover-gudrun-1.jpg
>
>
> Emma
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Emma Sweeney
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Emma Sweeney
May 7, 2025, 11:42:42 PM (12 days ago) May 7
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I've got two introductory sections titled "Names of Persons" and "Names of Places" that contain lists of key characters and locations in the story and is written by the translator. What are the correct semantics for these sections?
Emma
Lukas Bystricky
May 8, 2025, 4:29:42 AM (12 days ago) May 8
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Even though this is a poem, could dramatis-personae still work for the list of persons?
For the list of places maybe z3998:glossary is appropriate? "An alphabetical list of terms in a particular domain of knowledge with the definitions for those terms."
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Emma Sweeney
May 10, 2025, 12:49:00 AM (10 days ago) May 10
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Since the `dramatis-personae` semantic is part of a "Dialogue/Drama" section in the Z39.98-2012 Structural Semantics Vocabulary, the semantic should be reserved for plays and drama.
I don't think a glossary is correct either. These sections don't contain "domain-specific terms that are unlikely to be in a common dictionary, or which have unique meanings to the work" (SEMoS 7.11).
Lukas Bystricky
May 10, 2025, 1:24:29 AM (10 days ago) May 10
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It's obviously not a normal glossary (the SE definition), but I think it fits to z3998 definition I quoted above. But in any case these are edge cases; Alex will have to decide.
Alex Cabal
May 12, 2025, 1:29:55 PM (8 days ago) May 12
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I would just call them introductions
On 5/10/25 12:24 AM, Lukas Bystricky wrote:
> It's obviously not a normal glossary (the SE definition), but I think it
> fits to z3998 definition I quoted above. But in any case these are edge
> cases; Alex will have to decide.
>
> On Saturday, May 10, 2025 at 6:49:00 AM UTC+2 Emma Sweeney wrote:
>
> Since the `dramatis-personae` semantic is part of a "Dialogue/Drama
> <https://www.daisy.org/z3998/2012/vocab/structure/#h_dialogue-
> drama>" section in the Z39.98-2012 Structural Semantics Vocabulary,
> patterns#7.11>).
> github.com/EmmaSweeney/anonymous_gudrun_mary-pickering-
> nichols>
> > www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/46109 <http://
> gudrunmediaevale00nichiala <https://archive.org/
> details/gudrunmediaevale00nichiala>
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On 5/10/25 12:24 AM, Lukas Bystricky wrote:
> It's obviously not a normal glossary (the SE definition), but I think it
> fits to z3998 definition I quoted above. But in any case these are edge
> cases; Alex will have to decide.
>
> On Saturday, May 10, 2025 at 6:49:00 AM UTC+2 Emma Sweeney wrote:
>
> Since the `dramatis-personae` semantic is part of a "Dialogue/Drama
> drama>" section in the Z39.98-2012 Structural Semantics Vocabulary,
> the semantic should be reserved for plays and drama.
>
> I don't think a glossary is correct either. These sections don't
> contain "domain-specific terms that are unlikely to be in a common
> dictionary, or which have unique meanings to the work" (SEMoS 7.11
> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.2/7-high-level-structural-
>
> I don't think a glossary is correct either. These sections don't
> contain "domain-specific terms that are unlikely to be in a common
> dictionary, or which have unique meanings to the work" (SEMoS 7.11
> patterns#7.11>).
>
> My top three guesses for what these sections might be are foreword,
> introduction, or preamble, but I have been wrong about front matter
> before.
>
>
> Emma
> On Thursday, May 8, 2025 at 4:29:42 AM UTC-4 lukasby...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Even though this is a poem, could dramatis-personae still work
> for the list of persons?
>
> For the list of places maybe z3998:glossary is appropriate? "An
> alphabetical list of terms in a particular domain of knowledge
> with the definitions for those terms."
>
>
> On Thu, May 8, 2025, 05:42 Emma Sweeney <sween...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've got two introductory sections titled "Names of Persons"
> and "Names of Places" that contain lists of key characters
> and locations in the story and is written by the translator.
> What are the correct semantics for these sections?
>
> Emma
> On Wednesday, April 23, 2025 at 1:16:56 PM UTC-4 Emma
> Sweeney wrote:
>
> repo link: https://github.com/EmmaSweeney/
> anonymous_gudrun_mary-pickering-nichols <https://
> My top three guesses for what these sections might be are foreword,
> introduction, or preamble, but I have been wrong about front matter
> before.
>
>
> Emma
> On Thursday, May 8, 2025 at 4:29:42 AM UTC-4 lukasby...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Even though this is a poem, could dramatis-personae still work
> for the list of persons?
>
> For the list of places maybe z3998:glossary is appropriate? "An
> alphabetical list of terms in a particular domain of knowledge
> with the definitions for those terms."
>
>
> On Thu, May 8, 2025, 05:42 Emma Sweeney <sween...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've got two introductory sections titled "Names of Persons"
> and "Names of Places" that contain lists of key characters
> and locations in the story and is written by the translator.
> What are the correct semantics for these sections?
>
> Emma
> On Wednesday, April 23, 2025 at 1:16:56 PM UTC-4 Emma
> Sweeney wrote:
>
> repo link: https://github.com/EmmaSweeney/
> github.com/EmmaSweeney/anonymous_gudrun_mary-pickering-
> nichols>
>
> Emma
> On Wednesday, April 23, 2025 at 1:12:20 PM UTC-4 Alex
> Cabal wrote:
>
> OK, Lukas will manage this with Robin reviewing.
>
> Next time please send a link to your repo so I can
> add it to the
> projects page.
>
> For the cover art, I would crop it to exclude the
> frame. At the very
> least we should exclude the pencil marks in the top
> right.
>
> On 4/22/25 7:34 PM, Emma Sweeney wrote:
> > While I was adding works to my to-do list I found
> another Middle High
> > German epic called Kudrun <https://
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kudrun <https://
> Emma
> On Wednesday, April 23, 2025 at 1:12:20 PM UTC-4 Alex
> Cabal wrote:
>
> OK, Lukas will manage this with Robin reviewing.
>
> Next time please send a link to your repo so I can
> add it to the
> projects page.
>
> For the cover art, I would crop it to exclude the
> frame. At the very
> least we should exclude the pencil marks in the top
> right.
>
> On 4/22/25 7:34 PM, Emma Sweeney wrote:
> > While I was adding works to my to-do list I found
> another Middle High
> > German epic called Kudrun <https://
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kudrun>>. This
> > epic poem is seen as a deliberate antithesis to
> the Nibelungenlied. The
> > best translation is by Mary Pickering Nichols,
> and there is a PG
> > transcription available.
> >
> > This translation uses the alternate spelling
> "Gudrun" for the title and
> > main character's name. I think we should also use
> "Gudrun" for the title
> > to match the character's name in the transcription.
> >
> > PG transcription: https://www.gutenberg.org/
> ebooks/46109 <https://www.gutenberg.org/
> ebooks/46109> <https://
> > epic poem is seen as a deliberate antithesis to
> the Nibelungenlied. The
> > best translation is by Mary Pickering Nichols,
> and there is a PG
> > transcription available.
> >
> > This translation uses the alternate spelling
> "Gudrun" for the title and
> > main character's name. I think we should also use
> "Gudrun" for the title
> > to match the character's name in the transcription.
> >
> > PG transcription: https://www.gutenberg.org/
> ebooks/46109 <https://www.gutenberg.org/
> > www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/46109 <http://
> gudrunmediaevale00nichiala <https://archive.org/
> details/gudrunmediaevale00nichiala>
> > I also found a painting that could work for the
> cover.
> >
> > Skizze zum Nibelungenring: Abschied Siegfrieds
> von Brünhilde <https://
> > standardebooks.org/artworks/michael-echter/
> skizze-zum-nibelungenring- <http://
> cover.
> >
> > Skizze zum Nibelungenring: Abschied Siegfrieds
> von Brünhilde <https://
> > standardebooks.org/artworks/michael-echter/
> standardebooks.org/artworks/michael-echter/skizze-
> zum-nibelungenring->
> > abschied-siegfrieds-von-brunhilde> by Michael Echter
> >
> > cover-gudrun-1.jpg
> >
> >
> > Emma
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Emma Sweeney
May 17, 2025, 8:39:45 PM (2 days ago) May 17
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Robin, Gudrun by Anonymous is ready for review.
Notes:
- There are instances of the letter e with an acute accent (é). These indicate an “ay” sound and have been left as-is.
- `se find-mismatched-dashes` flags sea-lands/sealands. These shouldn’t be standardized. Sea-lands refer to general coastal regions, while Sealands (also Sealand) is a specific kingdom.
Emma
Robin Whittleton
May 18, 2025, 8:47:19 AM (2 days ago) May 18
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Thanks, should get this done today.
-Robin
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Robin Whittleton
May 19, 2025, 10:16:29 AM (21 hours ago) May 19
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This is ready for you Alex.
-Robin
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