[New Project] Our Base Ball Club and How It Won the Championship by Noah Brooks
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Jon Erdman
Dec 6, 2025, 9:42:37 AM (6 days ago) Dec 6
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Taking a brief pause from producing Ring Lardner's corpus (mostly because the last sensible remaining work in his corpus that could be produced standalone, his play June Moon, becomes public domain in 25 days and hopefully some scans become available at that time) but I found what I believe is the first novel-length work of fiction about baseball: "Our Base Ball Club and How it Won the Championship" by Noah Brooks, from 1884, and I'd like to produce that. It's about 48k words.
Gutenberg: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/59645
No repo yet because I'll actually need a question answered before I create the repo as it will affect its name: Will we want to modernize "Base ball" -> "Baseball"? The modernize-spelling script currently does not.
I found a print of a watercolor of a 19th century baseball game, which is CC0 at the Smithsonian but my gut feeling is that it's not "oil-like" enough to be suitable. I'll link it here, but I suspect that it isn't quite right because it very much looks like a watercolor:
https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/object/nmah_325102
I found a print of a watercolor of a 19th century baseball game, which is CC0 at the Smithsonian but my gut feeling is that it's not "oil-like" enough to be suitable. I'll link it here, but I suspect that it isn't quite right because it very much looks like a watercolor:
https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/object/nmah_325102
If it's suitable, then I'll submit it to the gallery and use it as my cover. If not, I will find something else.
Weijia Cheng
Dec 6, 2025, 9:51:28 AM (6 days ago) Dec 6
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Why not just use the original cover art?
Jon Erdman
Dec 6, 2025, 10:01:16 AM (6 days ago) Dec 6
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That's certainly an option too. To me, it looked even less like an oil painting than what I found (the pronounced outlines around the characters make it look not very "oily" to my eye) but if Alex is fine with it, I'll certainly go with it. Else, I'll use the one from the smithsonian or find something else.
Either way, a verdict on the Smithsonian piece would be appreciated - finding early 20th century baseball paintings was tough enough, 19th century ones are basically unicorns.
Either way, a verdict on the Smithsonian piece would be appreciated - finding early 20th century baseball paintings was tough enough, 19th century ones are basically unicorns.
Anthony J. Bentley
Dec 6, 2025, 11:48:58 AM (6 days ago) Dec 6
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Off-topic, but since you mentioned Ring Lardner’s corpus: The Story of a Wonder Man (©1927) could also be produced standalone. There are scans on Internet Archive and Google Books. Not on PG though.
Jon Erdman
Dec 6, 2025, 11:52:46 AM (6 days ago) Dec 6
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The problem with the Story of a Wonder-Man is that it's nowhere near 40k words - more like 25k based on my admittedly crude "count the words on a page and multiply by the page count" methodology. And it's clearly fiction though it masquerades as an autobiography - too many of the details go way beyond simple exaggeration for comedic effect and into the realm of outright fiction. My intention was to put that into the short fiction omnibus which I intend to start after June Moon (I've already begun work on manually transcribing the stories with no transcriptions out there, and have a whole github repo dedicated to those transcriptions)
Alex Cabal
Dec 6, 2025, 1:51:04 PM (6 days ago) Dec 6
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Let's hold off on all of this until Jan 1. It's hard to manage books for
which we don't have a repo or a project.
On 12/6/25 8:42 AM, Jon Erdman wrote:
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which we don't have a repo or a project.
On 12/6/25 8:42 AM, Jon Erdman wrote:
> Taking a brief pause from producing Ring Lardner's corpus (mostly
> because the last sensible remaining work in his corpus that could be
> days and hopefully some scans become available at that time) but I found
> what I believe is the first novel-length work of fiction about baseball:
> "Our Base Ball Club and How it Won the Championship" by Noah Brooks,
> from 1884, and I'd like to produce that. It's about 48k words.
>
> Gutenberg: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/59645
> Scans: https://archive.org/details/ourbaseballclubh00broo
>
> No repo yet because I'll actually need a question answered before I
> create the repo as it will affect its name: Will we want to modernize
> "Base ball" -> "Baseball"? The modernize-spelling script currently does not.
>
> I found a print of a watercolor of a 19th century baseball game, which
> is CC0 at the Smithsonian but my gut feeling is that it's not "oil-like"
> enough to be suitable. I'll link it here, but I suspect that it isn't
> quite right because it very much looks like a watercolor:
> https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/object/nmah_325102
>
> If it's suitable, then I'll submit it to the gallery and use it as my
> cover. If not, I will find something else.
>
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> what I believe is the first novel-length work of fiction about baseball:
> "Our Base Ball Club and How it Won the Championship" by Noah Brooks,
> from 1884, and I'd like to produce that. It's about 48k words.
>
> Gutenberg: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/59645
> Scans: https://archive.org/details/ourbaseballclubh00broo
>
> No repo yet because I'll actually need a question answered before I
> create the repo as it will affect its name: Will we want to modernize
> "Base ball" -> "Baseball"? The modernize-spelling script currently does not.
>
> I found a print of a watercolor of a 19th century baseball game, which
> is CC0 at the Smithsonian but my gut feeling is that it's not "oil-like"
> enough to be suitable. I'll link it here, but I suspect that it isn't
> quite right because it very much looks like a watercolor:
> https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/object/nmah_325102
>
> If it's suitable, then I'll submit it to the gallery and use it as my
> cover. If not, I will find something else.
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Weijia Cheng
Dec 6, 2025, 2:24:30 PM (6 days ago) Dec 6
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Isn't the actual book in question here PD already? That comment was about another book entirely.
Alex Cabal
Dec 6, 2025, 2:34:48 PM (6 days ago) Dec 6
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Oops, I misread the email, you're right.
OK. Yes, modernize baseball, and send a link to your repo once you start.
On 12/6/25 1:24 PM, 'Weijia Cheng' via Standard Ebooks wrote:
> Isn't the actual book in question here PD already? That comment was
> about another book entirely.
>
> On Saturday, December 6, 2025 at 1:51:04 PM UTC-5 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> Let's hold off on all of this until Jan 1. It's hard to manage books
> for
> which we don't have a repo or a project.
>
> On 12/6/25 8:42 AM, Jon Erdman wrote:
> > Taking a brief pause from producing Ring Lardner's corpus (mostly
> > because the last sensible remaining work in his corpus that could be
> > produced standalone, his play /June Moon/, becomes public domain
> in 25
> > days and hopefully some scans become available at that time) but
> I found
> > what I believe is the first novel-length work of fiction about
> baseball:
> > "Our Base Ball Club and How it Won the Championship" by Noah Brooks,
> > from 1884, and I'd like to produce that. It's about 48k words.
> >
> > Gutenberg: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/59645 <https://
> www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/59645>
> > Scans: https://archive.org/details/ourbaseballclubh00broo
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OK. Yes, modernize baseball, and send a link to your repo once you start.
On 12/6/25 1:24 PM, 'Weijia Cheng' via Standard Ebooks wrote:
> Isn't the actual book in question here PD already? That comment was
> about another book entirely.
>
> On Saturday, December 6, 2025 at 1:51:04 PM UTC-5 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> Let's hold off on all of this until Jan 1. It's hard to manage books
> for
> which we don't have a repo or a project.
>
> On 12/6/25 8:42 AM, Jon Erdman wrote:
> > Taking a brief pause from producing Ring Lardner's corpus (mostly
> > because the last sensible remaining work in his corpus that could be
> > produced standalone, his play /June Moon/, becomes public domain
> in 25
> > days and hopefully some scans become available at that time) but
> I found
> > what I believe is the first novel-length work of fiction about
> baseball:
> > "Our Base Ball Club and How it Won the Championship" by Noah Brooks,
> > from 1884, and I'd like to produce that. It's about 48k words.
> >
> www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/59645>
> > Scans: https://archive.org/details/ourbaseballclubh00broo
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Jon Erdman
Dec 6, 2025, 3:14:46 PM (5 days ago) Dec 6
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Git repo: https://github.com/homestar92/noah-brooks_our-baseball-club-and-how-it-won-the-championship
Thought I'd also ask again about the first edition cover artwork, since it's unclear whether it's actually an oil or at least oil-like enough to match the corpus. It mostly looks oil-like, but the pronounced outlines around the people make me second-guess that. It's on the first page of the linked scans. If it's suitable, I'll submit it to the gallery along with the PD proof.
Alex Cabal
Dec 6, 2025, 3:16:50 PM (5 days ago) Dec 6
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OK, Emma will manage with Vince reviewing.
I think both options look fine. You can submit both to the DB and select
one. If the first edition dust jacket looks good then we should go with
that one.
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I think both options look fine. You can submit both to the DB and select
one. If the first edition dust jacket looks good then we should go with
that one.
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> and-how-it-won-the-championship
> > www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/59645 <http://www.gutenberg.org/
> ebooks/59645>>
> > > Scans: https://archive.org/details/ourbaseballclubh00broo
> <https://archive.org/details/ourbaseballclubh00broo>
> > <https://archive.org/details/ourbaseballclubh00broo <https://
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OK, submitted both to the gallery. I will use the first edition color - I'll have to do a bit of color correction because the scan is a little bit yellowed but that shouldn't be too tough.
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Hmm, sorry, now that I look closer I agree with your initial
determination that the first edition cover is too pen-and-ink-y. Let's
use the other one you submitted instead. Sorry about that
On 12/6/25 2:47 PM, Jon Erdman wrote:
> OK, submitted both to the gallery. I will use the first edition color -
> I'll have to do a bit of color correction because the scan is a little
> bit yellowed but that shouldn't be too tough.
>
> On Saturday, December 6, 2025 at 3:16:50 PM UTC-5 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> OK, Emma will manage with Vince reviewing.
>
> I think both options look fine. You can submit both to the DB and
> select
> one. If the first edition dust jacket looks good then we should go with
> that one.
>
> On 12/6/25 2:14 PM, Jon Erdman wrote:
> > Git repo: https://github.com/homestar92/noah-brooks_our-baseball-
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determination that the first edition cover is too pen-and-ink-y. Let's
use the other one you submitted instead. Sorry about that
On 12/6/25 2:47 PM, Jon Erdman wrote:
> OK, submitted both to the gallery. I will use the first edition color -
> I'll have to do a bit of color correction because the scan is a little
> bit yellowed but that shouldn't be too tough.
>
> On Saturday, December 6, 2025 at 3:16:50 PM UTC-5 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> OK, Emma will manage with Vince reviewing.
>
> I think both options look fine. You can submit both to the DB and
> select
> one. If the first edition dust jacket looks good then we should go with
> that one.
>
> On 12/6/25 2:14 PM, Jon Erdman wrote:
> > Git repo: https://github.com/homestar92/noah-brooks_our-baseball-
> > ebooks/59645>>
> > > > Scans: https://archive.org/details/ourbaseballclubh00broo
> <https://archive.org/details/ourbaseballclubh00broo>
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Emma Sweeney
Dec 6, 2025, 7:43:00 PM (5 days ago) Dec 6
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I've updated the art DB.
Emma
Jon Erdman
Dec 6, 2025, 10:45:09 PM (5 days ago) Dec 6
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Here is a mockup of the cover with the second image. I really need to figure out why the font looks wrong whenever I preview these SVGs. I'm pretty sure I have the right fonts installed.
Emma Sweeney
Dec 6, 2025, 10:51:01 PM (5 days ago) Dec 6
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Looks good! Are you looking as the cover.svg in the /images folder or the /src/epub/images folder? The latter should have the correct font.
Emma
Jon Erdman
Dec 7, 2025, 8:39:18 AM (5 days ago) Dec 7
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I have run into a bit of a formatting question.
There are batting orders laid out in a table-like structure in chapters 2, 4, and 11.
I made a "batting-order" class (which I think is reasonable since it's a recurring pattern).
There are batting orders laid out in a table-like structure in chapters 2, 4, and 11.
I made a "batting-order" class (which I think is reasonable since it's a recurring pattern).
As for the player names on the batting order, they are presented in the original text as "Player Name, Position" where their name is in smallcaps but their position is not. Currently to match this styling, I have the player names wrapped in spans with a "player-name" class, however, I'm wondering if it would instead be better to make a change where the player names and positions get separated into two columns, ditch the comma, and instead of needing a span with a player-name class, I could just target those columns with smallcaps and avoid the extra class. Thoughts or preferences?
If it makes a difference, a batting order at a modern baseball game is generally presented in a table-like format, with player names left aligned in a column and their position right-aligned in another column. So if the goal is to modernize typesetting to match how it would appear today, I think the extra column is the answer.
Emma Sweeney
Dec 7, 2025, 9:42:34 AM (5 days ago) Dec 7
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The batting orders are unordered lists rather than tables. You can wrap the names with <b> and style the lists without classes to align two lists next to each other. Let's keep the commas.
Emma
Jon Erdman
Dec 7, 2025, 12:47:35 PM (5 days ago) Dec 7
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OK, I can make that change and switch those to ULs.
Just to get feedback proactively for later - a box score is tabular data and should go in a table, right? (example on this page of the scan, in case it's needed: https://archive.org/details/ourbaseballclubh00broo/page/81/mode/1up ).
Just to get feedback proactively for later - a box score is tabular data and should go in a table, right? (example on this page of the scan, in case it's needed: https://archive.org/details/ourbaseballclubh00broo/page/81/mode/1up ).
Box scores are a recurring pattern which *may* warrant a class, although they are structurally so simple that they may not require any CSS at all.
Emma Sweeney
Dec 7, 2025, 1:01:13 PM (5 days ago) Dec 7
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Yes, box scores go in tables. Since there are only four score boards, you can target specific files and elements rather than relying on classes for styling.
Emma
Jon Erdman
Dec 7, 2025, 2:36:01 PM (5 days ago) Dec 7
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OK, I have pushed a commit that changes the tables to ULs for the batting orders. No classes were needed, and I confirmed on a phone that when using a small screen it reflows cleanly to a vertical arrangement
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