[Proposed Project] The Ballad of the White Horse by G. K. Chesterton
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Justin Disney
Nov 18, 2022, 3:08:56 PM11/18/22
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It is Chesterton's third-most downloaded book on PG:
https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/1719
https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/1719
This would be my third book, but the first time doing a book of verse.
Alex Cabal
Nov 18, 2022, 6:41:22 PM11/18/22
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For short verse like this, we want to put together a spreadsheet of his
verse corpus to see if we want a "Poetry" compilation instead. If he had
no loose poems or overlaps (i.e. no one-off publications in
magazines/journals, and no books that share poems) then we can do this
individually. Otherwise, we should collect it in a Poetry compilation.
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verse corpus to see if we want a "Poetry" compilation instead. If he had
no loose poems or overlaps (i.e. no one-off publications in
magazines/journals, and no books that share poems) then we can do this
individually. Otherwise, we should collect it in a Poetry compilation.
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Justin Disney
Nov 18, 2022, 9:32:51 PM11/18/22
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There is a separate book titled "Poems":
https://gutenberg.org/cache/epub/31184/pg31184-images.html
https://archive.org/details/poemsche00chesuoft/page/n7/mode/2up
https://gutenberg.org/cache/epub/31184/pg31184-images.html
https://archive.org/details/poemsche00chesuoft/page/n7/mode/2up
However, a quick search shows there were later collections.The Collected Poems of G. K. Chesterton (Dodd Mead & Company, 1932) includes:
- New poems
- Ballade of St. Barbara
- Poems
- Wine, Water and song
- The Ballad of the White horse
- The Wild knight
- Miscellaneous
PG has some of the collections mentioned, but not all:
https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/35115
https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/12037
https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/32167
https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/35115
https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/12037
https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/32167
Does that imply that all his verse should go into one book? Chesterton lived until 1936, so it's possible that collection from 1932 is incomplete. But even if it is, poems that he might have published in the 30s wouldn't be in the public domain, which means they couldn't be included in a Standard eBook...
This project suddenly feels a lot more complicated than it initially appeared.
Alex Cabal
Nov 19, 2022, 1:59:35 PM11/19/22
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Yes, short prose/poetry are often more complicated. We want to look
forward to the future so just because it's not PD now doesn't mean we
should do something different. Once those items *do* become PD, we can
add them to the existing collection. So if there's a "miscellaneous"
section in his collected poems then I think yes, we should do a single
"poetry" omnibus.
How complex that is depends on how many uncollected poems he had. It
would be pretty simple to arrange the PD long poems, since there's only
4. But you'd have to see how many PD uncollected poems there are before
you want to decide to continue. A spreadsheet is usually helpful to
organize all this information.
On 11/18/22 8:32 PM, Justin Disney wrote:
> There is a separate book titled "Poems":
> https://gutenberg.org/cache/epub/31184/pg31184-images.html
> https://archive.org/details/poemsche00chesuoft/page/n7/mode/2up
>
> However, a quick search shows there were later collections./The
> Collected Poems of G. K. Chesterton/ (Dodd Mead & Company, 1932)
> <https://sfpl.bibliocommons.com/v2/record/S93C1058682> includes:
>
> * New poems
> * Ballade of St. Barbara
> * Poems
> * Wine, Water and song
> * The Ballad of the White horse
> * The Wild knight
> * Miscellaneous
> >
> https://archive.org/details/balladofwhitehor0000ches/page/n9/mode/2up <https://archive.org/details/balladofwhitehor0000ches/page/n9/mode/2up>
forward to the future so just because it's not PD now doesn't mean we
should do something different. Once those items *do* become PD, we can
add them to the existing collection. So if there's a "miscellaneous"
section in his collected poems then I think yes, we should do a single
"poetry" omnibus.
How complex that is depends on how many uncollected poems he had. It
would be pretty simple to arrange the PD long poems, since there's only
4. But you'd have to see how many PD uncollected poems there are before
you want to decide to continue. A spreadsheet is usually helpful to
organize all this information.
On 11/18/22 8:32 PM, Justin Disney wrote:
> There is a separate book titled "Poems":
> https://gutenberg.org/cache/epub/31184/pg31184-images.html
> https://archive.org/details/poemsche00chesuoft/page/n7/mode/2up
>
> Collected Poems of G. K. Chesterton/ (Dodd Mead & Company, 1932)
> <https://sfpl.bibliocommons.com/v2/record/S93C1058682> includes:
>
> * New poems
> * Ballade of St. Barbara
> * Poems
> * Wine, Water and song
> * The Ballad of the White horse
> * The Wild knight
> * Miscellaneous
>
> PG has some of the collections mentioned, but not all:
> https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/35115
> https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/12037
> https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/32167
>
> Does that imply that all his verse should go into one book? Chesterton
> lived until 1936, so it's possible that collection from 1932 is
> incomplete. But even if it is, poems that he might have published in the
> 30s wouldn't be in the public domain, which means they couldn't be
> included in a Standard eBook...
>
> This project suddenly feels a lot more complicated than it initially
> appeared.
>
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:41:22 PM UTC-8 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> For short verse like this, we want to put together a spreadsheet of his
> verse corpus to see if we want a "Poetry" compilation instead. If he
> had
> no loose poems or overlaps (i.e. no one-off publications in
> magazines/journals, and no books that share poems) then we can do this
> individually. Otherwise, we should collect it in a Poetry compilation.
>
> On 11/18/22 2:08 PM, Justin Disney wrote:
> > It is Chesterton's third-most downloaded book on PG:
> > https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/1719
> <https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/1719>
> PG has some of the collections mentioned, but not all:
> https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/35115
> https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/12037
> https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/32167
>
> Does that imply that all his verse should go into one book? Chesterton
> lived until 1936, so it's possible that collection from 1932 is
> incomplete. But even if it is, poems that he might have published in the
> 30s wouldn't be in the public domain, which means they couldn't be
> included in a Standard eBook...
>
> This project suddenly feels a lot more complicated than it initially
> appeared.
>
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:41:22 PM UTC-8 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> For short verse like this, we want to put together a spreadsheet of his
> verse corpus to see if we want a "Poetry" compilation instead. If he
> had
> no loose poems or overlaps (i.e. no one-off publications in
> magazines/journals, and no books that share poems) then we can do this
> individually. Otherwise, we should collect it in a Poetry compilation.
>
> On 11/18/22 2:08 PM, Justin Disney wrote:
> > It is Chesterton's third-most downloaded book on PG:
> > https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/1719
> >
> https://archive.org/details/balladofwhitehor0000ches/page/n9/mode/2up <https://archive.org/details/balladofwhitehor0000ches/page/n9/mode/2up>
> >
> > This would be my third book, but the first time doing a book of
> verse.
> >
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> > This would be my third book, but the first time doing a book of
> verse.
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Justin Disney
Dec 7, 2022, 6:56:00 PM12/7/22
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I have begun compiling a list of Chesterton's poems here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wTQTQjPDvAFDSWFyT5RY-Vw4Aop2jTs_BMIDbZXRUFs/edit?usp=sharing
and wanted to make sure I'm on the right track doing it this way?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wTQTQjPDvAFDSWFyT5RY-Vw4Aop2jTs_BMIDbZXRUFs/edit?usp=sharing
and wanted to make sure I'm on the right track doing it this way?
Also, the first thing that Chesterton ever published was some illustrated "nonsense" poetry:
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/14706
Is that something that should be included in an omnibus of his poetry?
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/14706
Is that something that should be included in an omnibus of his poetry?
Alex Cabal
Dec 10, 2022, 7:44:52 PM12/10/22
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Yes, that's a good start.
The most important point is to determine if there are duplicates across
the various collection, or if there are any uncollected poems in his
corpus. That will decide if we do each book individually, or combine
them into an omnibus.
On 12/7/22 5:56 PM, Justin Disney wrote:
> I have /begun/ compiling a list of Chesterton's poems here:
> > https://archive.org/details/poemsche00chesuoft/page/n7/mode/2up
> > https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/12037
> <https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/12037>
> > https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/32167
> https://archive.org/details/balladofwhitehor0000ches/page/n9/mode/2up <https://archive.org/details/balladofwhitehor0000ches/page/n9/mode/2up> <https://archive.org/details/balladofwhitehor0000ches/page/n9/mode/2up <https://archive.org/details/balladofwhitehor0000ches/page/n9/mode/2up>>
The most important point is to determine if there are duplicates across
the various collection, or if there are any uncollected poems in his
corpus. That will decide if we do each book individually, or combine
them into an omnibus.
On 12/7/22 5:56 PM, Justin Disney wrote:
> I have /begun/ compiling a list of Chesterton's poems here:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wTQTQjPDvAFDSWFyT5RY-Vw4Aop2jTs_BMIDbZXRUFs/edit?usp=sharing
> and wanted to make sure I'm on the right track doing it this way?
>
> Also, the first thing that Chesterton ever published was some
> illustrated "nonsense" poetry:
> https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/14706
> Is that something that should be included in an omnibus of his poetry?
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:59:35 AM UTC-8 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> Yes, short prose/poetry are often more complicated. We want to look
> forward to the future so just because it's not PD now doesn't mean we
> should do something different. Once those items *do* become PD, we can
> add them to the existing collection. So if there's a "miscellaneous"
> section in his collected poems then I think yes, we should do a single
> "poetry" omnibus.
>
> How complex that is depends on how many uncollected poems he had. It
> would be pretty simple to arrange the PD long poems, since there's only
> 4. But you'd have to see how many PD uncollected poems there are before
> you want to decide to continue. A spreadsheet is usually helpful to
> organize all this information.
>
> On 11/18/22 8:32 PM, Justin Disney wrote:
> > There is a separate book titled "Poems":
> > https://gutenberg.org/cache/epub/31184/pg31184-images.html
> <https://gutenberg.org/cache/epub/31184/pg31184-images.html>
> and wanted to make sure I'm on the right track doing it this way?
>
> Also, the first thing that Chesterton ever published was some
> illustrated "nonsense" poetry:
> https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/14706
> Is that something that should be included in an omnibus of his poetry?
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:59:35 AM UTC-8 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> Yes, short prose/poetry are often more complicated. We want to look
> forward to the future so just because it's not PD now doesn't mean we
> should do something different. Once those items *do* become PD, we can
> add them to the existing collection. So if there's a "miscellaneous"
> section in his collected poems then I think yes, we should do a single
> "poetry" omnibus.
>
> How complex that is depends on how many uncollected poems he had. It
> would be pretty simple to arrange the PD long poems, since there's only
> 4. But you'd have to see how many PD uncollected poems there are before
> you want to decide to continue. A spreadsheet is usually helpful to
> organize all this information.
>
> On 11/18/22 8:32 PM, Justin Disney wrote:
> > There is a separate book titled "Poems":
> > https://gutenberg.org/cache/epub/31184/pg31184-images.html
> > https://archive.org/details/poemsche00chesuoft/page/n7/mode/2up
> <https://archive.org/details/poemsche00chesuoft/page/n7/mode/2up>
> >
> > However, a quick search shows there were later collections./The
> > Collected Poems of G. K. Chesterton/ (Dodd Mead & Company, 1932)
> > <https://sfpl.bibliocommons.com/v2/record/S93C1058682
> <https://sfpl.bibliocommons.com/v2/record/S93C1058682>> includes:
> >
> > * New poems
> > * Ballade of St. Barbara
> > * Poems
> > * Wine, Water and song
> > * The Ballad of the White horse
> > * The Wild knight
> > * Miscellaneous
> >
> > PG has some of the collections mentioned, but not all:
> > https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/35115
> <https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/35115>
> >
> > However, a quick search shows there were later collections./The
> > Collected Poems of G. K. Chesterton/ (Dodd Mead & Company, 1932)
> > <https://sfpl.bibliocommons.com/v2/record/S93C1058682
> <https://sfpl.bibliocommons.com/v2/record/S93C1058682>> includes:
> >
> > * New poems
> > * Ballade of St. Barbara
> > * Poems
> > * Wine, Water and song
> > * The Ballad of the White horse
> > * The Wild knight
> > * Miscellaneous
> >
> > PG has some of the collections mentioned, but not all:
> > https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/35115
> > https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/12037
> <https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/12037>
> > https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/32167
> > >
> > > This would be my third book, but the first time doing a book of
> > verse.
> > >
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