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I've gone ahead and worked on Jonson's The Alchemist up to the proof/cover stage waiting for the final verdict on blank verse. 

So in the mean time I was looking at my selection of Gutenberg books and came across two by Mack Reynolds. Joe Mauser: Mercenary of Tomorrow (21000wds) and Frigid Fracas (38000wds) are two short novels that are about the same character although not necessarily a series. I could do them separately or, if you prefer, as a compilation. Opinions?

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Both of those are novella length (< 40,000 words) so they would go in a
Mack Reynolds "Short Fiction" collection. I see he also has a lot of
short stories on PG so they'd all go in that collection together. That
would be an interesting collection to produce.

On 3/29/19 10:57 AM, BTK wrote:
> I've gone ahead and worked on Jonson's /The Alchemist /up to the
> proof/cover stage waiting for the final verdict on blank verse. 
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> So in the mean time I was looking at my selection of Gutenberg books and
> came across two by Mack Reynolds. /Joe Mauser: Mercenary of Tomorrow
> /(21000wds) and /Frigid Fracas /(38000wds) are two short novels that are
> about the same character although not necessarily a series. I could do
> them separately or, if you prefer, as a compilation. Opinions?
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Mar 29, 2019, 1:09:04 PM3/29/19
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Hmmmm, that would take some sorting to go through all his stuff. He wrote mostly for Analog etc so all the ones I have in my personal collection  (paper and electronic) are pretty short novels but longer than short stories. I might just go ahead and do the two Joe Mauser novellas as a personal project while slowly reading through all the rest of his canon to see what's what.


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Both of those are novella length (< 40,000 words) so they would go in a
Mack Reynolds "Short Fiction" collection. I see he also has a lot of
short stories on PG so they'd all go in that collection together. That
would be an interesting collection to produce.

On 3/29/19 10:57 AM, BTK wrote:
> I've gone ahead and worked on Jonson's /The Alchemist /up to the
> proof/cover stage waiting for the final verdict on blank verse. 
>
> So in the mean time I was looking at my selection of Gutenberg books and
> came across two by Mack Reynolds. /Joe Mauser: Mercenary of Tomorrow
> /(21000wds) and /Frigid Fracas /(38000wds) are two short novels that are
> about the same character although not necessarily a series. I could do
> them separately or, if you prefer, as a compilation. Opinions?
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Mar 29, 2019, 1:54:11 PM3/29/19
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I went through and did a rough count of all of them in PG:
Title word count
Adaptation 24000
Black Man's Burden 40000
Border, Breed Nor Birth 42500
Combat 18000
Dogfight—1973 1000
Expediter 10000
Farmer 10000
Freedom 10000
Frigid Fracas 40000
Gun for Hire 5000
Happy Ending 5400
I'm a Stranger Here Myself 1800
Medal of Honor 10000
Mercenary 21000
Off Course 2500
Potential Enemy 5000
Revolution 12000
Spaceman on a Spree 7000
Status Quo 27000
Subversive 7000
Summit 1700
The Common Man 15000
Ultima Thule 26000
Unborn Tomorrow 4500
346400

So you figure all would go in one collection? Or would you separate the novellas out?

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Alex Cabal

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>= 40,000 is novel length for our purposes. But, make sure you're not
also getting a word count for PG's legal boilerplate, illustrations,
etc. etc. Anything < 40,000 words goes in a "short fiction" collection.
Reynolds is a textbook candidate for one of those, since nearly
everything was published in pulp periodicals.
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Mar 29, 2019, 1:57:32 PM3/29/19
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I did a quick cut and paste from html to word eliminating all the boilerplate but leaving in the illustrations

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I looked it over. How about this...

Joe Mauser (Mercenary & Frigid Fracas) 60000
Short fiction 200000
Black Man's Burden 40000
Border, Breed nor Birth 42000

...I commit to doing Joe Mauser (now) and the Collected Short Fiction (later in the summer), and you can add the other two to the "First timers" section?

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Generally we just want a single "Short Fiction" collection if possible.
The Joe Mauser novellas would go in there. The other two would be
produced as separate ebooks as they are just above novel length.
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They really do go together, really. My paperback version is a 1986 publication of the two together called Joe Mauser: Mercenary from Tomorrow
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I get it, but that's not how we roll :)
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Ok. One more try and I will give up...I promise. Frigid Fracas come in at 38699.That is just 1301words shy of your novel length definition. Are the rules really that rigid since the overall length is going to be 60,000+ with the added bonus of thematic continuity?

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If they're both ~30k then they would both go in Short Fiction
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Ok.

Back to my original plan, I will do a personal project of the two for myself and work on an expanded Collected edition later in the summer.
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I have been plugging away at the "Short Fiction" collection in my spare time.

What do you think about these for a cover? They are two different crops of  the same image. I prefer the second but I think the French flag is a bit too prominent. The major "bad guy" in most of the stories are Russians...the collection is mostly a series of SF short stories that feature Cold War themes both on Earth and expanding to other planets. Conflict and war are present throughout and often the technological level is late 19th century (one story actually has that as a a rule: no weapons post-1900 allowed).





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I like it in theory but the horse and carriage, and soldier with
feathered hat is probably too anachronistic for a sci fi compilation. It
might have been possible if it was more abstract but to my eyes it's
clearly a horse and carriage even if I squint.

For sci fi stuff we generally lean towards geometric, abstract images,
often without clear objects or figures, as for obvious reasons the
catalog of space-themed pre-1923 fine art is extremely limited!
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I guess what my  thought was that Mercenary is a story that is based on corporate wars where the participants are limited to pre-1900 weapons. So they are all running around with horses and millatreuse and all sorts of archaic uniforms etc. And other stories take place on newly settled worlds. I also like this Kandinsky which is way more abstract.

Another issue/question. Where does pgdp list its sources? Or does it?  (https://www.pgdp.net/c/list_etexts.php?x=g&sort=3&per_page=20&offset=8880). Scans of bunch of the Analog stories can be found here http://www.luminist.org/archives/SF/AN.htm but I haven't found them in any more authoritative sources. I am currently trying to find some for the other stories from:

Imagination
Orbit
If
Fantastic Universe
Astounding
Galaxy

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OK, if that's the case for that short story then we can use that
artwork. That makes a lot more sense.

PGDP sometimes lists its sources in individual project pages on
pgdp.net. They might also be in pgdp.org/ols. Or, they might not be
listed at all. It's pretty all over the place. Sci fi scans are usually
on OLS if they exist at all.
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So I have a number of questions on this one.

1) Artist sort for Roger de la Fresnaye:
Library of Congress has it as La Fresnaye, Roger de, with De la Fresnaye, Roger, and La Fresnaye, Roger de, as variants. Is there a house style?

2) One of the stories (out of 21) has dual authorship. How should we handle this? Or should we just dump that particular story?

3) All the stories have epigraphs written by the original magazine editors. Keep them or lose them?

4) Are pub dates and original magazine titles of any interest? (eg Originally published in Amazing Stories, October 1961)

5) I have listed all the wikipedia pages and the DP OLS links in the content.opf... thats 42 links in total... is that correct?

6) There is a airplane called the K12-A... is that technically an abbreviation and in need of a the <abbr> tag?

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Oh, and one more:

7) I complied all the Subjects from Gutenberg and ended up with an awful lot...seems excessive?
<dc:subject id="subject-1">Science fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-2">Short stories</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-3">Astronauts -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-4">Political fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-5">Soviet Union -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-6">Soldiers -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-7">Balkan Peninsula -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-8">Sahara -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-9">Sabotage -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-10">Desert reclamation -- Mali -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-11">Time travel -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-12">Assassins -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-13">Science fiction, American</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-14">Space colonies -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-15">Mercenary troops -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-16">Corporations -- Corrupt practices -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-17">Time travel -- Fiction</dc:subject>

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On 4/22/19 9:47 AM, BTK wrote:> So I have a number of questions on this one.
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> 1) Artist sort for Roger de la Fresnaye:
> Library of Congress has it as La Fresnaye, Roger de, with De la
> Fresnaye, Roger, and La Fresnaye, Roger de, as variants. Is there a
> house style?

Sorting is hard. I would just pick the first option LoC presents.

> 2) One of the stories (out of 21) has dual authorship. How should we
> handle this? Or should we just dump that particular story?

We would add the 2nd author as a contributor in the metadata. I don't
think we've yet had a case where there's a collection where one story
has a 2nd author. I'm open to suggestions as for what to do in the
actual story file.

> 3) All the stories have epigraphs written by the original magazine
> editors. Keep them or lose them?

Drop those.

>
> 4) Are pub dates and original magazine titles of any interest? (eg
> Originally published in /Amazing Stories/, October 1961)

No, not especially. You can drop those as well.

>
> 5) I have listed all the wikipedia pages and the DP OLS links in the
> content.opf... thats 42 links in total... is that correct?

Yes. There's a Wikipedia page for each individual short story? That's
pretty surprising.

> 6) There is a airplane called the K12-A... is that technically an
> abbreviation and in need of a the <abbr> tag?

No, that's just the name of the plane.

Alex Cabal

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You can include them all, that's fine
> Originally published in /Amazing Stories/, October 1961)
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>> 2) One of the stories (out of 21) has dual authorship. How should we
>> handle this? Or should we just dump that particular story?
>
> We would add the 2nd author as a contributor in the metadata. I don't
> think we've yet had a case where there's a collection where one story
> has a 2nd author. I'm open to suggestions as for what to do in the
> actual story file.

I think we could handle it in either as a epigraph style: “By Mack Reynolds and Frederic Brown” or as a footer: —Mack Reynolds and Frederic Brown

>> 5) I have listed all the wikipedia pages and the DP OLS links in the
>> content.opf... thats 42 links in total... is that correct?
>
> Yes. There's a Wikipedia page for each individual short story? That's
> pretty surprising.

Sorry. Brain glitch. I meant Gutenberg page.

>

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OK. I think "By Mack Reynolds and Frederic Brown" would work, in a <p>
tag within the <header> tag. We can style it with italics. There isn't a
z3998:byline semantic but maybe z3998:contributors would fit here.

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Hmmmmm, if I add the second "aut" to the content.opf file it changes the names of the builds to mack-reynolds_frederic-brown_short-fiction.epub. Nothing wrong with that I suppose but it is a bit misleading...

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You can ignore that for now. We should probably update build to generate
the output filename from the SE identifier string, not to construct a
unique one from the metadata.
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Though now that I think about it, the website will list Brown as an
author as well, which is not correct. How about using `clb` for
"collaborator" instead of `aut`.

On 4/24/19 9:58 AM, BTK wrote:

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That works. But I checked and it should be 'ctb' for contributor according to https://www.loc.gov/marc/relators/relaterm.html ...right?

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I feel the ".38" should be semanticated somehow but I am not sure abbr is the way to go : "Tim Casey loosened his .38 in its holster”

Is there a standard?


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No, there's nothing for you to do there. That's just the name of the
type of gun.
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What do you suppose this means?

mack-reynolds_short-fiction admin$ se build --output-dir=$HOME/dist/ --kindle --kobo --check .
ERROR(OPF-028): /Users/admin/dist/mack-reynolds_short-fiction.epub/epub/content.opf(21,59): Undeclared prefix: 'a11y’.

I compared those lines against another publication and they are identical.


As an aside, there is a typo in the word typography in the lint code: (See typgoraphy manual │
│       │           │ for style)
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That probably means that your version of epubcheck is a little old. You’ll want v4.2.0.

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Well that creates a whole new set of issues :-)

I started this project quite a few months and versions ago. <meta property="meta-auth” has turned to <meta property="authority>. The HTML example on the website (https://standardebooks.org/contribute/metadata) was not updated so I am a bit confused. 

And I am at a complete loss about where to find the subject IDs. As far as I can tell the LoC doesn’t have Science Fiction nor Short Stories as stand alone subject headings but rather things like Short stories (American)


<meta property="file-as" refines="#title">Short Fiction</meta>
<dc:subject id="subject-1">Science fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-2">Short stories</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-3">Astronauts -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-4">Political fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-5">Soviet Union -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-6">Soldiers -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-7">Balkan Peninsula -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-8">Sahara -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-9">Sabotage -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-10">Desert reclamation -- Mali -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-11">Time travel -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-12">Assassins -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-13">Science fiction, American</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-14">Space colonies -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-15">Mercenary troops -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-16">Corporations -- Corrupt practices -- Fiction</dc:subject>
<dc:subject id="subject-17">Time travel -- Fiction</dc:subject>

My original code:
<meta property="meta-auth" refines="#subject-1">https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/29206</meta>
<meta property="meta-auth" refines="#subject-2">https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/29206</meta>
etc...

Should the new code be?:
<meta property="authority" refines="#subject-1”>LCSH</meta>
<meta property=“term" refines="#subject-1”>(Subject id)</meta>
<meta property="authority" refines="#subject-2”>LCSH</meta>
<meta property=“term" refines="#subject-2”>(Subject id)</meta>
...


Robin Whittleton

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I had that problem with a project, ended up using the tools as if I was starting now, then copied the newer bits of the content.opf over to the original project.

Alex Cabal

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You can search subject headings here:
http://id.loc.gov/authorities/subjects.html

LCSH get updated every now and then so it's possible that whatever PG
saved at the time no longer exists in the current version of the subject
headings. If you can't find it just set the value to Unknown.

On 7/16/19 1:49 PM, BT Keith wrote:
> Well that creates a whole new set of issues :-)
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> ago. <metaproperty="meta-auth” has turned to <meta
>> <mailto:ro...@reala.net>> wrote:
>>
>> That probably means that your version of epubcheck is a little old.
>> You’ll want v4.2.0.
>>
>>> On 16 Jul 2019, at 19:14, BT Keith <bois...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:bois...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> What do you suppose this means?
>>>
>>> mack-reynolds_short-fiction admin$ se build --output-dir=$HOME/dist/
>>> --kindle --kobo --check .
>>> ERROR(OPF-028):
>>> /Users/admin/dist/mack-reynolds_short-fiction.epub/epub/content.opf(21,59):
>>> Undeclared prefix: 'a11y’.
>>>
>>> I compared those lines against another publication and they are
>>> identical.
>>>
>>>
>>> As an aside, there is a typo in the word typography in the lint
>>> code: (See typgoraphy manual │
>>> │       │           │ for style)
>>> _________
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jun 26, 2019, at 12:00 PM, Alex Cabal <al...@standardebooks.org
>>>> <mailto:al...@standardebooks.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No, there's nothing for you to do there. That's just the name of the
>>>> type of gun.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/26/19 11:08 AM, BTK wrote:
>>>>> I feel the ".38" should be semanticated somehow but I am not sure abbr
>>>>> is the way to go : "Tim Casey loosened his .38 in its holster”
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a standard?
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Ok, this should be ready for review now. This was my first project with multiple sources but I think I have gotten everything correct.


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Robin, can you review this one if you have a minute?
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Sure, will look it over today or tomorrow.
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I had time now so 9 issues filed, nothing major though. Hopefully they won’t take too long.
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All done pending any decision by Alec about listing all the pgdp sources in the colophon


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OK, released! Thanks!
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