[Next Project] The Way to God and How To Find It by D. L. Moody

[Jon Erdman]

Since I would like to read something that's not by Ring Lardner for the first time in probably six months, I decided to change things up and do some nonfiction.

This book is over 40k words and it's a theological work written from an Evangelical Christian perspective. Should be no issues with the collections policy since it's a book about religion rather than a religious text. Moody is a very significant figure in the history of Christianity in the United States, so he'd be a meaningful addition to the corpus.

I haven't created a repo yet because we'd have to make a canonical decision of how we'd present his byline in case more of his work gets produced for SE. In print, you almost always see his name as D. L. Moody, so even though Gutenberg uses his full name of Dwight Lyman Moody, I propose that D. L. Moody is what we should use. It's what people familiar with him will be looking for.

Scans: https://archive.org/details/waytogodhowtof00mood

Gutenberg: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/30449

[Alex Cabal]

OK, sure. Yes, use D. L. Moody. We typically prefer the bylines used in
actual print unless some special exception is warranted.

Please send a link to your repo once you start.

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[Jon Erdman]

Repo link: https://github.com/homestar92/d-l-moody_the-way-to-god-and-how-to-find-it

[Alex Cabal]

Ok, Robin will manage with Weijia reviewing.

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[Weijia Cheng]

Ok, noted.

[Jon Erdman]

Am I correct in my assumption that I should not keep changes made by modernize-spelling if the Bible is being quoted? I don't think a reader would find it jarring to find older spellings of words when the King James Bible is being quoted, since it's pretty much expected that text from the King James Bible will use archaic spellings. I know that the chapter and verse references do get modernized, so I'm just focused on actual Biblical text quotations.

[Weijia Cheng]

It would probably be helpful if you showed a specific example of a spelling you think should be kept.

[Jon Erdman]

Sure! Here's one example:

Modernize-spelling wants to modernize "for evermore" to "forevermore". Which is probably the right call if it's straight prose, but I'm not sure, since it's quoting scripture, if we should leave it alone since having "for evermore" as two words is the canonical text of the King James Version of the Bible. There are several other passages that use either "for ever" or "for evermore" in the context of a quote from the Bible, so I'll assume same logic applies throughout.

Another interesting one is this one:

modernize-spelling obviously wants to change "to-day" to "today". This one is interesting though, because every physical KJV Bible that I own renders it as "to day" (two words, no dash) as do online ones that I consulted. 

So that's basically the question - it's not even that scripture needs to be regarded as a special case for SE purposes as it is a matter of him quoting a primary source and that primary source having a canonical way of being rendered.

[Alex Cabal]

We surely have had Bible quotations elsewhere in the corpus and this has
never come up, so we must have modernized them in the past and therefore
I think it's fine to modernize them here. As you can see based on
to-day, it's not like historically writers/printers were being
especially careful anyway.

On 5/6/26 3:45 PM, Jon Erdman wrote:
> Sure! Here's one example:
>

> Screenshot 2026-05-06 163417.png
> Modernize-spelling wants to modernize "for evermore" to "forevermore".
> Which is probably the right call if it's straight prose, but I'm not
> sure, since it's quoting scripture, if we should leave it alone since
> having "for evermore" as two words is the canonical text of the King
> James Version of the Bible. There are several other passages that use
> either "for ever" or "for evermore" in the context of a quote from the
> Bible, so I'll assume same logic applies throughout.
>
> Another interesting one is this one:

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[Vince]

We do and we have. And there isn’t really a “canonical way of being rendered” for KJV. Like any book, the KJV went through numerous editions over the (three hundred) years, and each one adjusted spelling and in some cases phrasing. Making the kind of soundalike-only changes we make (I expected one of the differences to be “show” vs “shew”) do much less violence to the text than any of the editions themselves did to previous editions.

[Jon Erdman]

Makes sense. One more question regarding the way scripture citations are referenced. The way this book is presented, if he's been citing a number of passages in the same book or chapter, subsequent citations will only include chapter and verse, and sometimes only verse citations. Example below:


As per SEMoS, I know that the roman numerals get replaced with arabic numerals to give it the modern style of citation. And regarding the first one in this screenshot, the comma presumably gets swapped to an en dash since the verses are consecutive. Do I also re-insert the name of the specific book of the Bible too (and is that Editorial?). Context while reading makes it clear that he's referencing the book of John, but SEMoS never mentions citations of just chapter and verse, so I wasn't sure if that implies that it needs updated.

Additionally, the final citation in my screenshot which only cites a verse number (I know it's v for verse and not a roman numeral v because of the italics and also because that quote is from John 14:23). Should I expand that out to contain book, chapter, and verse too?

[Robin Whittleton]

I can only go by SEMoS as I’m basically completely ignorant of wider approaches to biblical citation, but all of our written approaches are captured in https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.7/single-page#8.17.4.

I would say that typically we write for the reader, not the scholar. So If context has already been conclusively established earlier we don’t need to reestablish it as it’ll be fresh in the reader’s mind.

Swapping the comma for an en-dash makes sense.

Maybe Vince or other people here that have a more detailed sense of Biblical norms might have different opinions?

-Robin

On 7 May 2026, at 22:28, Jon Erdman <homes...@gmail.com> wrote:

Makes sense. One more question regarding the way scripture citations are referenced. The way this book is presented, if he's been citing a number of passages in the same book or chapter, subsequent citations will only include chapter and verse, and sometimes only verse citations. Example below:

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[Vince]

Shortening citations in closely positioned references is common. V. is for a single verse, vv. for multiple verses. If they’re within the same paragraph, I think it’s fine to keep the shortened ones. If it’s more than a paragraph or two away, I’d be inclined to expand them, just because reading on a phone or other small screen might be a different page than the last reference. I would always expand them in footnotes/endnotes.

[Jon Erdman]

I would like to use New England Scenery by Thomas Cole for my cover. I submitted it to the artwork DB from the Art Institute of Chicago

Tentatively on it being approved, this is the crop I'd be going with.

[Robin Whittleton]

Unfortunately that’s a duplicate: it’s already in use by Ralph Waldo Emerson’s Essays: https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/ralph-waldo-emerson

It does look like there’s a bug in the artworks DB though as we’ve now got two images with the same URL, so I can’t decline your upload. I’ll file an issue.

-Robin

On 9 May 2026, at 18:04, Jon Erdman <homes...@gmail.com> wrote:

I would like to use New England Scenery by Thomas Cole for my cover. I submitted it to the artwork DB from the Art Institute of Chicago

Tentatively on it being approved, this is the crop I'd be going with.

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[Jon Erdman]

Ah, bummer. I could have sworn it wasn't in there when I looked. Must have missed it. I'll find a different option.

[Jon Erdman]

OK. New proposal: St. Mark’s in the Bowery by Childe Hassam

https://standardebooks.org/artworks/childe-hassam/st-marks-in-the-bowery

It's protestant. It's urban. It's precisely within Moody's wheelhouse.

[Robin Whittleton]

Looks good, assigned.

On 9 May 2026, at 19:19, Jon Erdman <homes...@gmail.com> wrote:

OK. New proposal: St. Mark’s in the Bowery by Childe Hassam

https://standardebooks.org/artworks/childe-hassam/st-marks-in-the-bowery

It's protestant. It's urban. It's precisely within Moody's wheelhouse.

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[Jon Erdman]

Question about the below passage. In this paragraph, the wrong scripture reference is given - the story of Peter sinking is in Matthew 14:30, not 24:30. Since he's referencing a primary source, the reference can be demonstrated as being incorrect.

That said, I don't think it's a mere printer's typo, as there is a much newer edition from the 1960s on archive.org which reproduces the same errant reference (just with arabic numerals instead of Roman). Since this error appears in multiple editions and is therefore unlikely to be a printing error, do we leave it as-is, or since it's citing a primary source and the correct reference can be proven, do we do an editorial commit to correct it to Matthew 14:30?

[Robin Whittleton]

I’d be happy to change this as an Editorial commit. I’d maybe add a production note about it though in content.opf.

-Robin

On 12 May 2026, at 17:20, Jon Erdman <homes...@gmail.com> wrote:

Question about the below passage. In this paragraph, the wrong scripture reference is given - the story of Peter sinking is in Matthew 14:30, not 24:30. Since he's referencing a primary source, the reference can be demonstrated as being incorrect.

That said, I don't think it's a mere printer's typo, as there is a much newer edition from the 1960s on archive.org which reproduces the same errant reference (just with arabic numerals instead of Roman). Since this error appears in multiple editions and is therefore unlikely to be a printing error, do we leave it as-is, or since it's citing a primary source and the correct reference can be proven, do we do an editorial commit to correct it to Matthew 14:30?

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[Jon Erdman]

I have finished proofreading and this is ready for review.

[Weijia Cheng]

Ok, I will try and get on it soon.

[Weijia Cheng]

Good work. I filed a review with some issues.

[Weijia Cheng]

OK Alex, this is ready for you.

[Alex Cabal]

In the endnotes, why is "marginal reading" in italics and not a complete
sentence? Can we remove italics here and add a period, or surround it in
parenthesis instead? It is almost certainly not emphasis

On 6/6/26 10:24 PM, Jon Erdman wrote:
> I have finished proofreading and this is ready for review.
>
> On Tuesday, May 12, 2026 at 1:03:21 PM UTC-4 robin wrote:
>
> I’d be happy to change this as an Editorial commit. I’d maybe add a
> production note about it though in content.opf.
>
> -Robin
>
>> On 12 May 2026, at 17:20, Jon Erdman <homes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Question about the below passage. In this paragraph, the wrong
>> scripture reference is given - the story of Peter sinking is in
>> Matthew 14:30, not 24:30. Since he's referencing a primary source,
>> the reference can be demonstrated as being incorrect.
>>
>> That said, I don't think it's a mere printer's typo, as there is a

>> much newer edition from the 1960s on archive.org <http://

>> archive.org> which reproduces the same errant reference (just with
>> arabic numerals instead of Roman). Since this error appears in
>> multiple editions and is therefore unlikely to be a printing
>> error, do we leave it as-is, or since it's citing a primary source
>> and the correct reference can be proven, do we do an editorial
>> commit to correct it to Matthew 14:30?
>> <Screenshot 2026-05-12 104850.png>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 9, 2026 at 1:32:03 PM UTC-4 robin wrote:
>>
>> Looks good, assigned.
>>
>>> On 9 May 2026, at 19:19, Jon Erdman <homes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> OK. New proposal: St. Mark’s in the Bowery by Childe Hassam
>>> https://standardebooks.org/artworks/childe-hassam/st-marks-

>>> in-the-bowery <https://standardebooks.org/artworks/childe-
>>> hassam/st-marks-in-the-bowery>

>>>
>>> It's protestant. It's urban. It's precisely within Moody's
>>> wheelhouse.
>>> <cover.jpg>
>>> On Saturday, May 9, 2026 at 12:50:11 PM UTC-4 Jon Erdman wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah, bummer. I could have sworn it wasn't in there when I
>>> looked. Must have missed it. I'll find a different option.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 9, 2026 at 12:09:56 PM UTC-4 robin wrote:
>>>
>>> Unfortunately that’s a duplicate: it’s already in use

>>> by Ralph Waldo Emerson’s/Essays/: https://
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[Jon Erdman]

Moody is quoting one of the marginal notes from the King James Bible rather than the verse itself. In the scans, it was italicized, but parenthesis are probably better. I went ahead and made that change in a new commit. It's also a little bit unusual within the context of the book too, but since this is the lone place where he cites a marginal note instead of the actual biblical text itself, I suppose it makes sense to demarcate that one differently than the others.

[Alex Cabal]

OK great. Very good work as always. I've released it, thanks!

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