[New Project] Poetry by Ring Lardner
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Jon Erdman
Oct 29, 2025, 1:54:42 PM (yesterday) Oct 29
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I can wait to start on this if you don't want volunteers working on two things at once, but I've been doing a lot of research on Ring Lardner's corpus, and I have what I believe to be a fully complete spreadsheet of his poetic corpus and now I think I'd like to produce an SE omnibus of his poetry as a way to break up the *lengthy* proofreading process for the Jack Keefe Stories. I consulted Ring W. Lardner: A Descriptive Bibliography by William J. Bruccoli, which is regarded as *the* scholarly bibliography of everything Lardner wrote, so I'm very confident that this list is fully complete, unless there are obscure, nameless poems buried among the *thousands* of columns he wrote for various newspapers (Bruccoli notes which papers and which issues he appeared in but offers no clues as to the contents of these articles and there would be thousands to cross-check, which I feel is beyond the scope of a project like this)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GmyvGjMN9ZAYvXH9sxtv_6nVbP2MpiPRgBTnrYY0xLA/edit?gid=0#gid=0
Some notes here:
- "Regular Fellows I Have Met" is a publication with a series of 200 short poems about various famous and non-famous people that he was friends with. I didn't list all 200 individually in the spreadsheet. Do I need to update it to include them all individually or can I just put the collected work in the spreadsheet?
- I have scans for the newspaper that the "Irish Love Lyric" appeared in - specifically the front page with the publication date on it and the page featuring that poem. I don't have the rest of the issue, but I know that's the standard for artworks, so I assume it's fine here too. It's not linked because I reached out to the San Francisco Public library to get them since they had a bound volume in their holdings. They aren't on archive.org, but I could certainly upload them myself so that they could be cited in content.opf.
- I'm not 100% sure that the one from the Columbia Jester is even a poem. I found a scan of an issue of the Columbia Spectator which alluded to the inclusion of the Lardner piece in their upcoming Jester issue, and refers to it as a "sketch". So I actually think it's possible that Bruccoli got this one wrong in his bibliography by listing it as a poem.
Emma Sweeney
Oct 29, 2025, 2:00:21 PM (yesterday) Oct 29
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Can you make the spreadsheet viewable?
Emma
Jon Erdman
Oct 29, 2025, 2:01:39 PM (yesterday) Oct 29
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Oops! I can and did!
Alex Cabal
Oct 29, 2025, 4:43:25 PM (yesterday) Oct 29
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OK great. Very good research, thanks. I've copied the sheet into the SE
account and given you editor access, so please work on our copy from now on.
You can work on this book simultaneously, it shouldn't take too long.
Please send a link to your repo once you get started.
On 10/29/25 12:54 PM, Jon Erdman wrote:
> I can wait to start on this if you don't want volunteers working on two
> things at once, but I've been doing a lot of research on Ring Lardner's
> corpus, and I have what I believe to be a fully complete spreadsheet of
> his poetic corpus and now I think I'd like to produce an SE omnibus of
> his poetry as a way to break up the *lengthy* proofreading process for
> the Jack Keefe Stories. I consulted /Ring W. Lardner: A Descriptive
> Bibliography/ by William J. Bruccoli, which is regarded as *the*
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account and given you editor access, so please work on our copy from now on.
You can work on this book simultaneously, it shouldn't take too long.
Please send a link to your repo once you get started.
On 10/29/25 12:54 PM, Jon Erdman wrote:
> I can wait to start on this if you don't want volunteers working on two
> things at once, but I've been doing a lot of research on Ring Lardner's
> corpus, and I have what I believe to be a fully complete spreadsheet of
> his poetic corpus and now I think I'd like to produce an SE omnibus of
> his poetry as a way to break up the *lengthy* proofreading process for
> Bibliography/ by William J. Bruccoli, which is regarded as *the*
> scholarly bibliography of everything Lardner wrote, so I'm very
> confident that this list is fully complete, unless there are obscure,
> nameless poems buried among the *thousands* of columns he wrote for
> various newspapers (Bruccoli notes which papers and which issues he
> appeared in but offers no clues as to the contents of these articles and
> there would be thousands to cross-check, which I feel is beyond the
> scope of a project like this)
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/
> d/1GmyvGjMN9ZAYvXH9sxtv_6nVbP2MpiPRgBTnrYY0xLA/edit?gid=0#gid=0
>
> Some notes here:
>
> 1. "Regular Fellows I Have Met" is a publication with a series of 200
> confident that this list is fully complete, unless there are obscure,
> nameless poems buried among the *thousands* of columns he wrote for
> various newspapers (Bruccoli notes which papers and which issues he
> appeared in but offers no clues as to the contents of these articles and
> there would be thousands to cross-check, which I feel is beyond the
> scope of a project like this)
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/
> d/1GmyvGjMN9ZAYvXH9sxtv_6nVbP2MpiPRgBTnrYY0xLA/edit?gid=0#gid=0
>
> Some notes here:
>
> short poems about various famous and non-famous people that he was
> friends with. I didn't list all 200 individually in the spreadsheet.
> Do I need to update it to include them all individually or can I
> just put the collected work in the spreadsheet?
> 2. I have scans for the newspaper that the "Irish Love Lyric" appeared
> friends with. I didn't list all 200 individually in the spreadsheet.
> Do I need to update it to include them all individually or can I
> just put the collected work in the spreadsheet?
> in - specifically the front page with the publication date on it and
> the page featuring that poem. I don't have the rest of the issue,
> but I know that's the standard for artworks, so I assume it's fine
> here too. It's not linked because I reached out to the San Francisco
> Public library to get them since they had a bound volume in their
> holdings. They aren't on archive.org, but I could certainly upload
> them myself so that they could be cited in content.opf.
> 3. I'm not 100% sure that the one from the Columbia Jester is even a
> the page featuring that poem. I don't have the rest of the issue,
> but I know that's the standard for artworks, so I assume it's fine
> here too. It's not linked because I reached out to the San Francisco
> Public library to get them since they had a bound volume in their
> holdings. They aren't on archive.org, but I could certainly upload
> them myself so that they could be cited in content.opf.
> poem. I found a scan of an issue of the Columbia Spectator which
> alluded to the inclusion of the Lardner piece in their upcoming
> Jester issue, and refers to it as a "sketch". So I actually think
> it's possible that Bruccoli got this one wrong in his bibliography
> by listing it as a poem.
>
> --
> alluded to the inclusion of the Lardner piece in their upcoming
> Jester issue, and refers to it as a "sketch". So I actually think
> it's possible that Bruccoli got this one wrong in his bibliography
> by listing it as a poem.
>
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Jon Erdman
Oct 29, 2025, 5:20:10 PM (yesterday) Oct 29
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Repo link: https://github.com/homestar92/ring-lardner_poetry
I also uploaded the scans that the San Francisco Public Library sent me to archive.org: https://archive.org/details/st-francis-lobbyist-lardner
Though not the full issue, it has the front page with the date of the issue and the page with the relevant poem. This is sufficient PD proof for us to include that poem in the omnibus, right?
Regarding artwork, I already know what I want. I would like to use this artwork: https://standardebooks.org/artworks/anonymous/untitled-ca-1933-1943
Lardner's most well known poetry compilation, "Bib Ballads" is all about family and raising children, and this painting hits that theme and the factory backdrop is reminiscent of the small midwestern industrial towns of the early 20th century like those that Lardner grew up in. While not as relevant to his poetry, the baseball bat that the boy is holding is also an extremely cool touch for a Lardner cover, since that was the subject matter of nearly all of his journalism and prose.
Crop and cover mock:
Alex Cabal
Oct 29, 2025, 5:38:34 PM (yesterday) Oct 29
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OK, Lukas will manage this with David reviewing.
Yes, that's enough info for PD clearance.
OK, I've approved the cover!
On 10/29/25 4:20 PM, Jon Erdman wrote:
> Repo link: https://github.com/homestar92/ring-lardner_poetry
>
> I also uploaded the scans that the San Francisco Public Library sent me
> to archive.org: https://archive.org/details/st-francis-lobbyist-lardner
> Though not the full issue, it has the front page with the date of the
> issue and the page with the relevant poem. This is sufficient PD proof
> for us to include that poem in the omnibus, right?
>
> Regarding artwork, I already know what I want. I would like to use this
> artwork: https://standardebooks.org/artworks/anonymous/untitled-
> ca-1933-1943
> Lardner's most well known poetry compilation, "Bib Ballads" is all about
> family and raising children, and this painting hits that theme and the
> factory backdrop is reminiscent of the small midwestern industrial towns
> of the early 20th century like those that Lardner grew up in. While not
> as relevant to his poetry, the baseball bat that the boy is holding is
> also an extremely cool touch for a Lardner cover, since that was the
> subject matter of nearly all of his journalism and prose.
>
> Crop and cover mock:
> > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <https://docs.google.com/
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Yes, that's enough info for PD clearance.
OK, I've approved the cover!
On 10/29/25 4:20 PM, Jon Erdman wrote:
> Repo link: https://github.com/homestar92/ring-lardner_poetry
>
> I also uploaded the scans that the San Francisco Public Library sent me
> to archive.org: https://archive.org/details/st-francis-lobbyist-lardner
> Though not the full issue, it has the front page with the date of the
> issue and the page with the relevant poem. This is sufficient PD proof
> for us to include that poem in the omnibus, right?
>
> Regarding artwork, I already know what I want. I would like to use this
> artwork: https://standardebooks.org/artworks/anonymous/untitled-
> ca-1933-1943
> Lardner's most well known poetry compilation, "Bib Ballads" is all about
> family and raising children, and this painting hits that theme and the
> factory backdrop is reminiscent of the small midwestern industrial towns
> of the early 20th century like those that Lardner grew up in. While not
> as relevant to his poetry, the baseball bat that the boy is holding is
> also an extremely cool touch for a Lardner cover, since that was the
> subject matter of nearly all of his journalism and prose.
>
> Crop and cover mock:
> spreadsheets/>
> > d/1GmyvGjMN9ZAYvXH9sxtv_6nVbP2MpiPRgBTnrYY0xLA/edit?gid=0#gid=0
> >
> > Some notes here:
> >
> > 1. "Regular Fellows I Have Met" is a publication with a series of
> 200
> > short poems about various famous and non-famous people that he was
> > friends with. I didn't list all 200 individually in the spreadsheet.
> > Do I need to update it to include them all individually or can I
> > just put the collected work in the spreadsheet?
> > 2. I have scans for the newspaper that the "Irish Love Lyric"
> appeared
> > in - specifically the front page with the publication date on it and
> > the page featuring that poem. I don't have the rest of the issue,
> > but I know that's the standard for artworks, so I assume it's fine
> > here too. It's not linked because I reached out to the San Francisco
> > Public library to get them since they had a bound volume in their
> > holdings. They aren't on archive.org <http://archive.org>, but I
> >
> > Some notes here:
> >
> > 1. "Regular Fellows I Have Met" is a publication with a series of
> 200
> > short poems about various famous and non-famous people that he was
> > friends with. I didn't list all 200 individually in the spreadsheet.
> > Do I need to update it to include them all individually or can I
> > just put the collected work in the spreadsheet?
> > 2. I have scans for the newspaper that the "Irish Love Lyric"
> appeared
> > in - specifically the front page with the publication date on it and
> > the page featuring that poem. I don't have the rest of the issue,
> > but I know that's the standard for artworks, so I assume it's fine
> > here too. It's not linked because I reached out to the San Francisco
> > Public library to get them since they had a bound volume in their
> could certainly upload
> > them myself so that they could be cited in content.opf.
> > 3. I'm not 100% sure that the one from the Columbia Jester is even a
> > poem. I found a scan of an issue of the Columbia Spectator which
> > alluded to the inclusion of the Lardner piece in their upcoming
> > Jester issue, and refers to it as a "sketch". So I actually think
> > it's possible that Bruccoli got this one wrong in his bibliography
> > by listing it as a poem.
> >
> > --
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> > them myself so that they could be cited in content.opf.
> > 3. I'm not 100% sure that the one from the Columbia Jester is even a
> > poem. I found a scan of an issue of the Columbia Spectator which
> > alluded to the inclusion of the Lardner piece in their upcoming
> > Jester issue, and refers to it as a "sketch". So I actually think
> > it's possible that Bruccoli got this one wrong in his bibliography
> > by listing it as a poem.
> >
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Jon Erdman
Oct 29, 2025, 8:57:38 PM (21 hours ago) Oct 29
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Already ran into my first question - the Bib Ballads compilation has a foreword, and the foreword itself is verse. Do I include it - and if so, how? It's a foreword that's very much tied to the poems that make up "Bib Ballads" so if I put it at the beginning of the omnibus and the omnibus is arranged chronologically, then it won't really make sense.
Do I just treat it as if it were a poem within Bib Ballads entitled "Foreword"? Leave it out?
Do I just treat it as if it were a poem within Bib Ballads entitled "Foreword"? Leave it out?
Lukas Bystricky
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I think Bib Ballads looks separate enough that you can make it's own section and include the forward inside that.
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