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David Grigg
Dec 25, 2025, 9:54:37 PM12/25/25
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This is directed mainly to Alex, because I want to persuade him of something.
This is to do with this book:
Famous Paintings Selected from the World's Great Galleries and Reproduced in Colour
This is a wonderful collection of famous paintings, reproduced in colour, published in two volumes. I want to be able to use both volumes as a source of cover illustrations for S.E.
Here's my argument:
1) Check HathiTrust here for evidence that there were two volumes : https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100631901/Home). Hathi unfortunately only has links which are limited to search only.
2) However, Internet Archive has both volumes scanned, but they are slightly different editions, one perhaps being the international edition of an originally British publication.
3) One volume, which I think is Volume 2, has a publication date of 1913 shown here: https://archive.org/details/famouspaintings02chesuoft/famouspaintings02chesuoft/page/n8/mode/1up
4) The first volume, which of course is the one I want to use a painting from, does not have a publication date, which is the problem! That's here: https://archive.org/details/famouspaintings01chesuoft/famouspaintings01chesuoft
5) Both volumes are introduced by G. K. Chesteron, and the work is listed in the bibliography of a book on Chesterton here: https://hdl.handle.net/2027/uc1.b3334528?urlappend=%3Bseq=195%3Bownerid=9007199274164885-205 . This shows a publication date of 1912.
7) Is this enough evidence to say that the first volume (which I want to use) is in the public domain, and that therefore any paintings in it are provably in the public domain?
David Grigg
Dec 26, 2025, 1:08:16 AM12/26/25
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Sorry, should have added in step 6 that the biography of Chesterton is itself in the public domain, published in 1916: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3334528&seq=11&view=1up
Alex Cabal
Dec 26, 2025, 10:06:37 PM (14 days ago) 12/26/25
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The Hathi links show full scans for me, and you're right, the volume
without a date at IA is identical to Hathi's volume 1 which has a 1912
date printed where you'd expect. Not sure why IA's scan omits the date
but the books are identical otherwise. So you can use those scans.
On 12/25/25 8:54 PM, David Grigg wrote:
> This is directed mainly to Alex, because I want to persuade him of
> something.
>
> This is to do with this book:
> *Famous Paintings Selected from the World's Great Galleries and
> Reproduced in Colour*
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without a date at IA is identical to Hathi's volume 1 which has a 1912
date printed where you'd expect. Not sure why IA's scan omits the date
but the books are identical otherwise. So you can use those scans.
On 12/25/25 8:54 PM, David Grigg wrote:
> This is directed mainly to Alex, because I want to persuade him of
> something.
>
> This is to do with this book:
> Reproduced in Colour*
>
> This is a wonderful collection of famous paintings, reproduced in
> colour, published in two volumes. I want to be able to use *both*
> This is a wonderful collection of famous paintings, reproduced in
> volumes as a source of cover illustrations for S.E.
>
> Here's my argument:
>
> 1) Check HathiTrust here for evidence that there were *two*
>
> Here's my argument:
>
> volumes : https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100631901/Home). Hathi
> unfortunately only has links which are limited to search only.
>
> 2) However, Internet Archive has both volumes scanned, but they are
> slightly different editions, one perhaps being the international edition
> of an originally British publication.
>
> 3) One volume, which I think is Volume 2, has a publication date of
> 1913 shown here: https://archive.org/details/famouspaintings02chesuoft/
> famouspaintings02chesuoft/page/n8/mode/1up
>
> 4) The first volume, which of course is the one I want to use a painting
> from, does *not* have a publication date, which is the problem! That's
> unfortunately only has links which are limited to search only.
>
> 2) However, Internet Archive has both volumes scanned, but they are
> slightly different editions, one perhaps being the international edition
> of an originally British publication.
>
> 3) One volume, which I think is Volume 2, has a publication date of
> 1913 shown here: https://archive.org/details/famouspaintings02chesuoft/
> famouspaintings02chesuoft/page/n8/mode/1up
>
> 4) The first volume, which of course is the one I want to use a painting
> here: https://archive.org/details/famouspaintings01chesuoft/
> famouspaintings01chesuoft
>
> 5) Both volumes are introduced by G. K. Chesteron, and the work is
> listed in the bibliography of a book on Chesterton here: https://
> hdl.handle.net/2027/uc1.b3334528?
> urlappend=%3Bseq=195%3Bownerid=9007199274164885-205 . This shows a
> publication date of 1912.
>
> 7) Is this enough evidence to say that the first volume (which I want to
> use) is in the public domain, and that therefore any paintings in it are
> provably in the public domain?
>
> --
> famouspaintings01chesuoft
>
> 5) Both volumes are introduced by G. K. Chesteron, and the work is
> listed in the bibliography of a book on Chesterton here: https://
> hdl.handle.net/2027/uc1.b3334528?
> urlappend=%3Bseq=195%3Bownerid=9007199274164885-205 . This shows a
> publication date of 1912.
>
> 7) Is this enough evidence to say that the first volume (which I want to
> use) is in the public domain, and that therefore any paintings in it are
> provably in the public domain?
>
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David from SE
Dec 26, 2025, 10:12:38 PM (14 days ago) 12/26/25
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Great, thanks. When I have time I’ll go through both volumes and add the works not already there into our PD art collection.
David Grigg from SE
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David Grigg
Jan 3, 2026, 10:33:37 PM (6 days ago) Jan 3
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Whew! Volume 1 artworks submitted to our collection. I added about 30 new paintings.
On to Volume 2!
David Grigg
Jan 5, 2026, 3:26:48 AM (4 days ago) Jan 5
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All right, Volume 2 artworks submitted, about another 30 paintings. Some great potential covers there!
Alex Cabal
Jan 5, 2026, 12:12:59 PM (4 days ago) Jan 5
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Can you edit these submissions to use the page scan link for the
copyright year that I included in your other submissions? Then you don't
have to use the "exception" field, but you can use the "notes" field to
include the same note that I did for the rest. See what I did for for
example https://standardebooks.org/artworks/walter-dendy-sadler/a-good-story
On 1/3/26 9:33 PM, David Grigg wrote:
> Whew! Volume 1 artworks submitted to our collection. I added about 30
> new paintings.
>
> On to Volume 2!
>
> On Saturday, 27 December 2025 at 14:12:38 UTC+11 David from SE wrote:
>
> Great, thanks. When I have time I’ll go through both volumes and add
> the works not already there into our PD art collection.
>
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copyright year that I included in your other submissions? Then you don't
have to use the "exception" field, but you can use the "notes" field to
include the same note that I did for the rest. See what I did for for
example https://standardebooks.org/artworks/walter-dendy-sadler/a-good-story
On 1/3/26 9:33 PM, David Grigg wrote:
> Whew! Volume 1 artworks submitted to our collection. I added about 30
> new paintings.
>
> On to Volume 2!
>
> On Saturday, 27 December 2025 at 14:12:38 UTC+11 David from SE wrote:
>
> Great, thanks. When I have time I’ll go through both volumes and add
> the works not already there into our PD art collection.
>
> David Grigg from SE
> __
>
>
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 at 2:06 pm 'Alex wrote:
>
> The Hathi links show full scans for me, and you're right, the volume
> without a date at IA is identical to Hathi's volume 1 which has a 1912
> date printed where you'd expect. Not sure why IA's scan omits the date
> but the books are identical otherwise. So you can use those scans.
>
> On 12/25/25 8:54 PM, David Grigg wrote:
> > This is directed mainly to Alex, because I want to persuade him of
> > something.
> >
> > This is to do with this book:
> > *Famous Paintings Selected from the World's Great Galleries and
> > Reproduced in Colour*
> >
> > This is a wonderful collection of famous paintings, reproduced in
> > colour, published in two volumes. I want to be able to use *both*
> > volumes as a source of cover illustrations for S.E.
> >
> > Here's my argument:
> >
> > 1) Check HathiTrust here for evidence that there were *two*
> > volumes : https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100631901/Home <https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100631901/Home>). Hathi
>
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2025 at 2:06 pm 'Alex wrote:
>
> The Hathi links show full scans for me, and you're right, the volume
> without a date at IA is identical to Hathi's volume 1 which has a 1912
> date printed where you'd expect. Not sure why IA's scan omits the date
> but the books are identical otherwise. So you can use those scans.
>
> On 12/25/25 8:54 PM, David Grigg wrote:
> > This is directed mainly to Alex, because I want to persuade him of
> > something.
> >
> > This is to do with this book:
> > *Famous Paintings Selected from the World's Great Galleries and
> > Reproduced in Colour*
> >
> > This is a wonderful collection of famous paintings, reproduced in
> > colour, published in two volumes. I want to be able to use *both*
> > volumes as a source of cover illustrations for S.E.
> >
> > Here's my argument:
> >
> > 1) Check HathiTrust here for evidence that there were *two*
> > unfortunately only has links which are limited to search only.
> >
> > 2) However, Internet Archive has both volumes scanned, but they are
> > slightly different editions, one perhaps being the international edition
> > of an originally British publication.
> >
> > 3) One volume, which I think is Volume 2, has a publication date of
> > 1913 shown here: https://archive.org/details/famouspaintings02chesuoft/ <https://archive.org/details/famouspaintings02chesuoft/>
> >
> > 2) However, Internet Archive has both volumes scanned, but they are
> > slightly different editions, one perhaps being the international edition
> > of an originally British publication.
> >
> > 3) One volume, which I think is Volume 2, has a publication date of
> > famouspaintings02chesuoft/page/n8/mode/1up
> >
> > 4) The first volume, which of course is the one I want to use a painting
> > from, does *not* have a publication date, which is the problem! That's
> > here: https://archive.org/details/famouspaintings01chesuoft/ <https://archive.org/details/famouspaintings01chesuoft/>
> >
> > 4) The first volume, which of course is the one I want to use a painting
> > from, does *not* have a publication date, which is the problem! That's
> > famouspaintings01chesuoft
> >
> > 5) Both volumes are introduced by G. K. Chesteron, and the work is
> > listed in the bibliography of a book on Chesterton here: https://
> > hdl.handle.net/2027/uc1.b3334528 <http://hdl.handle.net/2027/uc1.b3334528>?
> >
> > 5) Both volumes are introduced by G. K. Chesteron, and the work is
> > listed in the bibliography of a book on Chesterton here: https://
> > urlappend=%3Bseq=195%3Bownerid=9007199274164885-205 . This shows a
> > publication date of 1912.
> >
> > 7) Is this enough evidence to say that the first volume (which I want to
> > use) is in the public domain, and that therefore any paintings in it are
> > provably in the public domain?
> >
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> > publication date of 1912.
> >
> > 7) Is this enough evidence to say that the first volume (which I want to
> > use) is in the public domain, and that therefore any paintings in it are
> > provably in the public domain?
> >
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