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Cecil New

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Dec 21, 2025, 10:16:49 PM12/21/25

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I propose to take on John Newton’s “Olney Hymns” which is composed of 348 poems meant to be sung (thus “hymns”) plus three poems not intended to be sung.

This work is in Volume 3 of “The Works of Rev. John Newton”, beginning on page 306 of volume 3.

Gutenberg: None
Source: https://archive.org/details/worksofrevjohnne03newt/page/306/mode/2up
EPUB: from OCR’d pages and PDF are available at:
https://archive.org/details/worksofrevjohnne03newt/mode/2up
GitHub: https://github.com/mandolyte/john-newton_olney-hymns (not created yet)
Cover:

Something with a ship in a storm, soon to be wrecked would be ideal since that figures prominently in John Newton’s life.
Or perhaps a portrait? Here are a couple of possibilities:

Or of the Olney church: https://cowperandnewtonmuseum.org.uk/amazing-grace-250-virtual-exhibition/

Because of the sheer number of poems, each of which will take a few minutes of work, will take some time; but it doesn’t seem to be difficult, especially with the excellent coverage found at:
https://standardebooks.org/contribute/how-tos/how-to-structure-and-style-large-poetic-productions. Plus, I suspect I’ll be able to automate some of the repetitive work with some scripts once I have done a few.

I do have some questions about how to structure the book if I get the go-ahead (see below). Here is a snippet from the scan’s ToC:

Questions for manager:

Should I keep the numbered stanzas?
Book I is arranged by bible book order, sort of like chapters. Here is an example: https://archive.org/details/worksofrevjohnne03newt/page/438/mode/2up?q=CXX. Another example, using the well known poem “Amazing Grace” at https://archive.org/details/worksofrevjohnne03newt/page/352/mode/2up shows the following:
1. It’s in Book I
2. It’s in the bible book of 1 Chronicles
3. The title is preceded by the Roman numeral XLI
4. The title is “Faith’s Review and Expectation”
5. The title is followed by a scripture reference “Ch. xvii. 16, 17.”
6. The stanzas are numbered
7. In some (not this one) there will be a footnote, which are generally other scripture references.
How should all the title elements be marked up?
There is an index of first lines. Should this be retained?
Since these are hymns, meant to be sung, many transcriptions include the meter. For example: https://www.ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns.Book1.ACT.h1_120.html. While determining the meter is pretty easy, I would love to include the meter in the text to make it easier on the reader to find a tune to go with the words.

Alex Cabal

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Dec 22, 2025, 2:04:47 PM12/22/25

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Wikipedia says this was cowritten with William Cowper. Should this ebook
have two authors?

If not, did Newton publish any other poetry? If so we need to compile an
omnibus spreadsheet first to see how we might organize things.

On 12/21/25 9:16 PM, Cecil New wrote:
> I propose to take on John Newton’s “Olney Hymns” which is composed of
> 348 poems meant to be sung (thus “hymns”) plus three poems not intended
> to be sung.
>
> This work is in Volume 3 of “The Works of Rev. John Newton”, beginning
> on page 306 of volume 3.
>

> *Gutenberg*: None
> *Source*: https://archive.org/details/worksofrevjohnne03newt/page/306/
> mode/2up
> *EPUB*: from OCR’d pages and PDF are available at:
> https://archive.org/details/worksofrevjohnne03newt/mode/2up
> *GitHub*: https://github.com/mandolyte/john-newton_olney-hymns (not
> created yet)
> *Cover*:
>
> 1. Something with a ship in a storm, soon to be wrecked would be ideal

> since that figures prominently in John Newton’s life.

> 2. Or perhaps a portrait? Here are a couple of possibilities:
>
> * https://www.ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns.Book1.ACT.h1_120.html
> * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JohnNewton_edited.jpg
>
> 1. Or of the Olney church: https://cowperandnewtonmuseum.org.uk/

> amazing-grace-250-virtual-exhibition/
>
>
> Because of the sheer number of poems, each of which will take a few
> minutes of work, will take some time; but it doesn’t seem to be
> difficult, especially with the excellent coverage found at:
> https://standardebooks.org/contribute/how-tos/how-to-structure-and-
> style-large-poetic-productions. Plus, I suspect I’ll be able to automate
> some of the repetitive work with some scripts once I have done a few.
>
> I do have some questions about how to structure the book if I get the
> go-ahead (see below). Here is a snippet from the scan’s ToC:

> Screenshot 2025-12-21 10.14.18 PM.png
>
> Questions for manager:
>

> 1.

>
> Should I keep the numbered stanzas?
>

> 2.

>
> Book I is arranged by bible book order, sort of like chapters. Here
> is an example: https://archive.org/details/worksofrevjohnne03newt/

> page/438/mode/2up?q=CXX <https://archive.org/details/
> worksofrevjohnne03newt/page/438/mode/2up?q=CXX>. Another example,

> using the well known poem “Amazing Grace” at https://archive.org/

> details/worksofrevjohnne03newt/page/352/mode/2up <https://
> archive.org/details/worksofrevjohnne03newt/page/352/mode/2up>shows
> the following:
>
> 1.

>
> It’s in Book I
>

> 2.

>
> It’s in the bible book of 1 Chronicles
>

> 3.

>
> The title is preceded by the Roman numeral XLI
>

> 4.

>
> The title is “Faith’s Review and Expectation”
>

> 5.

>
> The title is followed by a scripture reference “Ch. xvii. 16, 17.”
>

> 6.
>
> The stanzas are numbered
>
> 7.

>
> In some (not this one) there will be a footnote, which are
> generally other scripture references.
>

> 3.

>
> How should all the title elements be marked up?
>

> 4.

>
> There is an index of first lines. Should this be retained?
>

> 5.

>
> Since these are hymns, meant to be sung, many transcriptions include
> the meter. For example: https://www.ccel.org/ccel/newton/

> olneyhymns.Book1.ACT.h1_120.html <https://www.ccel.org/ccel/newton/
> olneyhymns.Book1.ACT.h1_120.html>. While determining the meter is

> pretty easy, I would love to include the meter in the text to make
> it easier on the reader to find a tune to go with the words.
>

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Cecil New

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Dec 22, 2025, 3:42:12 PM12/22/25

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William Cowper did contribute. Per the preface, these are indicated with the letter "C" after the roman numeral.

Snippet:

Example: https://archive.org/details/worksofrevjohnne03newt/page/308/mode/2up

So two authors are appropriate, altho I could leave out the ones that Cowper contributed. Any thoughts on one way or the other?

Before I put together the spreadsheet, I'll do some more research to see if there are any more poems not in this volume of his works.

Unless the template for poetry is different, I will just the one you announced earlier this year.

Alex Cabal

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Dec 22, 2025, 3:44:27 PM12/22/25

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OK, so two authors is probably the way to go.

Follow the instructions here for creating a new spreadsheet
https://standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets

Once you're done, send me a link and make sure to make the sheet
publicly visible. Thanks!

On 12/22/25 2:42 PM, Cecil New wrote:
> William Cowper did contribute. Per the preface, these are indicated with
> the letter "C" after the roman numeral.
>
> Snippet:

> Screenshot from 2025-12-22 15-34-12.png
>
> Example: https://archive.org/details/worksofrevjohnne03newt/page/308/
> mode/2up
>
> So two authors are appropriate, altho I could leave out the ones that
> Cowper contributed. Any thoughts on one way or the other?
>
> Before I put together the spreadsheet, I'll do some more research to see
> if there are any more poems not in this volume of his works.
>
> Unless the template for poetry is different, I will just the one you
> announced earlier this year.
>
>
>
>

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Cecil New

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Dec 29, 2025, 2:10:28 PM12/29/25

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Alex, just getting started on the spreadsheet and I wanted to share it with you early to confirm a few things. This spreadsheet will take some time to produce given the nearly 350 entries required.

Here is link to my spreadsheet with a few entries:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18gPLa_7Hkucu1mSeIxHcQeln8hm1z4VXIrK4UAyHjv0/edit?usp=sharing

Firstly, I want to double check that this is suitable for SE.

Secondly, I have found what I’d consider an authoritative website on John Newton’s works, including his poetry. Link: https://www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/new_menus/Hymns/OH_Book_1/OH_Book_1.aspx

For transcriptions the “John Newton Project” provides some, but not all of them. The ones they provide actually have Newton’s hand-written pages. For others they link to

Thirdly, you will notice I have added a few custom columns:

Column O indicates whether the poem was written by William Cowper or not
Columns P, Q, and R capture the organization of the Hymns in the scan at the Internet Archive.
Column S has the first line of the hymn, which is often used to index them. For example here.
Column T has the meter, which while not in the original scan, is easily computed (just the number of syllables per line) and is a convenience for the reader who wishes to find a tune to go with the words. For example, here is a website dedicated to public domain tunes: link.

Thanks for any advice, feedback.

Cecil

Alex Cabal

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Dec 29, 2025, 3:27:03 PM12/29/25

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It looks like you deleted some columns, Word Count, SE Category, First
Published In, Alternate Titles etc. All columns should be there by default.

SE Category auto-fills based on word count. If it's obviously short
poetry then you can leave the word count empty. Let's also titlecase the
work titles as it's easier to read.

You also added non-default columns before the end divider, those should
all go to the right of the divider so we're clear what's a default
column and what's not.

Things like meter, first lie, reference section, etc. are not useful for
the purposes of this spreadsheet, which is categorizing a corpus and
deciding if duplicates exist. We want to avoid clutter because others
will be referencing this in the future, and the more unusual columns
there are, the less clear it is what's going on to a stranger reading
this 5 years from now.

You might find those columns useful for you as you produce the book, and
that's fine. In that case, I suggest you finish the default spreadsheet
first, then make a private copy for yourself and go back to add those
special columns while you work on the ebook.

On 12/29/25 1:10 PM, Cecil New wrote:
> Alex, just getting started on the spreadsheet and I wanted to share it
> with you early to confirm a few things. This spreadsheet will take some
> time to produce given the nearly 350 entries required.
>
>
> Here is link to my spreadsheet with a few entries:
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/
> d/18gPLa_7Hkucu1mSeIxHcQeln8hm1z4VXIrK4UAyHjv0/edit?usp=sharing

> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/
> d/18gPLa_7Hkucu1mSeIxHcQeln8hm1z4VXIrK4UAyHjv0/edit?usp=sharing>

>
>
> Firstly, I want to double check that this is suitable for SE.
>
>
> Secondly, I have found what I’d consider an authoritative website on
> John Newton’s works, including his poetry. Link: https://
> www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/new_menus/Hymns/

> OH_Book_1/OH_Book_1.aspx <https://www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/
> The_John_Newton/new_menus/Hymns/OH_Book_1/OH_Book_1.aspx>

>
>
> For transcriptions the “John Newton Project” provides some, but not all
> of them. The ones they provide actually have Newton’s hand-written
> pages. For others they link to
>

> 1.
>
> Google Books: https://www.google.com/search?
> tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=olney+hymns&num=10 <https://www.google.com/search?
> tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=olney+hymns&num=10>
>
> 2.
>
> CCEL: https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/olneyhymns.Book1.html

> <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/olneyhymns.Book1.html>
>
>
> Thirdly, you will notice I have added a few custom columns:
>

> *

>
> Column O indicates whether the poem was written by William Cowper or not
>

> *

>
> Columns P, Q, and R capture the organization of the Hymns in the
> scan at the Internet Archive.
>

> *

>
> Column S has the first line of the hymn, which is often used to

> index them. For example here <https://archive.org/details/
> worksofrevjohnne03newt/page/n10/mode/1up>.
>
> *

>
> Column T has the meter, which while not in the original scan, is
> easily computed (just the number of syllables per line) and is a
> convenience for the reader who wishes to find a tune to go with the
> words. For example, here is a website dedicated to public domain

> tunes: link <https://www.pdhymns.com/index.htm>.

>
>
> Thanks for any advice, feedback.
> Cecil
> On Monday, December 22, 2025 at 3:44:27 PM UTC-5 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> OK, so two authors is probably the way to go.
>
> Follow the instructions here for creating a new spreadsheet

> https://standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets <https://
> standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets>

>
> Once you're done, send me a link and make sure to make the sheet
> publicly visible. Thanks!
>
> On 12/22/25 2:42 PM, Cecil New wrote:
> > William Cowper did contribute. Per the preface, these are
> indicated with
> > the letter "C" after the roman numeral.
> >
> > Snippet:
> > Screenshot from 2025-12-22 15-34-12.png
> >
> > Example: https://archive.org/details/worksofrevjohnne03newt/

> page/308/ <https://archive.org/details/worksofrevjohnne03newt/
> page/308/>

> > mode/2up
> >
> > So two authors are appropriate, altho I could leave out the ones
> that
> > Cowper contributed. Any thoughts on one way or the other?
> >
> > Before I put together the spreadsheet, I'll do some more research
> to see
> > if there are any more poems not in this volume of his works.
> >
> > Unless the template for poetry is different, I will just the one you
> > announced earlier this year.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Cecil New

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Dec 29, 2025, 4:29:14 PM12/29/25

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I forgot to mention in my note that I had hidden some of the columns so I could see the columns of interest. I didn't delete them. Will proceed.

Thanks!

Cecil

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Cecil New

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Just a quick note on spreadsheet progress... It is slow going, but per the poetry “how-to”, I had expectations set.

I have completed Book I (of 3) of the Olney Hymns (proper). After finding a number of transcription errors (or just where they took liberties SE would not), I bought a cheap ebook on Amazon to see if it was better, but it turns out that whoever compiled the book used the same transcription I am using and had the same issues. Keep in mind these errors/liberties are just for the title and header info. About 30% of the time I have to copy/paste from the scan, which, fortunately, works pretty well.

I am also sending emails to CCEL who hosts the transcription of every mistake I find. I have timed myself several times and I can hardly do better than two minutes per row in the spreadsheet (I am simultaneously keeping some of my own columns that will help later).

Pressing on!

Cecil New

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Jan 12, 2026, 9:36:10 AMJan 12

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Progress... this morning completed Book II; Book III has 108 poems/hymns. I hope to complete the spreadsheet for the "Olney Hymns" (proper) by end of the week. Then I will tackle the following:
- miscellaneous poems by Newton and Cowper (will require some research)

- research whether any hymns by Newton and Cowper lie outside the Internet Archive collected works and include them if any found.

So I think I'll be done before end of January!

Cecil New

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Update: Completed all the poetry in the source at the Internet Archive. This completes all the content of the Olney Hymns, which was widely published (scans can be found in a number of places).

Question: Should I stop at this point and produce a book just for the Olney Hymns containing poems from both Newton and Cowper?

I have found a transcription at Wikisource for just this very thing. And, altho the page indicates it is still in process, it seems to have all the hymns, just not on individual pages.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Olney_Hymns_(1840)

Alex Cabal

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I don't know, this is what the spreadsheet is for. I see you haven't
incorporated my requests from earlier. Once the spreadsheet is complete,
we will have an overview of what the corpus looks like, and we can make
decisions on how to divide things. I didn't even know they had
uncollected work - this would have been extremely useful to know before
this project started, in the spreadsheet.

On 1/20/26 2:28 PM, Cecil New wrote:
> Update: Completed all the poetry in the source at the Internet Archive.
> This completes all the content of the Olney Hymns, which was widely
> published (scans can be found in a number of places).
>
>
> Question: Should I stop at this point and produce a book just for the
> Olney Hymns containing poems from both Newton and Cowper?
>
>
> I have found a transcription at Wikisource for just this very thing.
> And, altho the page indicates it is still in process, it seems to have
> all the hymns, just not on individual pages.
>

> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Olney_Hymns_(1840) <https://
> en.wikisource.org/wiki/Olney_Hymns_(1840)>

>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 12, 2026 at 9:36:10 AM UTC-5 Cecil New wrote:
>
> Progress... this morning completed Book II; Book III has 108 poems/
> hymns. I hope to complete the spreadsheet for the "Olney
> Hymns" (proper) by end of the week. Then I will tackle the following:
> - miscellaneous poems by Newton and Cowper (will require some research)
> - research whether any hymns by Newton and Cowper lie outside the
> Internet Archive collected works and include them if any found.
>
> So I think I'll be done before end of January!
>
> On Wednesday, January 7, 2026 at 9:23:21 AM UTC-5 Cecil New wrote:
>
> Just a quick note on spreadsheet progress... It is slow going,

> but per the poetry “how-to <https://standardebooks.org/
> contribute/how-tos/how-to-structure-and-style-large-poetic-
> productions#:~:text=In%20some%20cases,challenges%20for%20transcription.>”, I had expectations set.

> > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <https://
> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/>
> > d/18gPLa_7Hkucu1mSeIxHcQeln8hm1z4VXIrK4UAyHjv0/edit?
> usp=sharing
> > <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <https://
> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/>
> > d/18gPLa_7Hkucu1mSeIxHcQeln8hm1z4VXIrK4UAyHjv0/edit?

> usp=sharing>
> >
> >
> > Firstly, I want to double check that this is suitable
> for SE.
> >
> >
> > Secondly, I have found what I’d consider an
> authoritative website on
> > John Newton’s works, including his poetry. Link:
> https://
> > www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/

> new_menus/Hymns/ <http://www.johnnewton.org/
> Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/new_menus/Hymns/>
> > OH_Book_1/OH_Book_1.aspx <https://www.johnnewton.org/
> Groups/222577/ <https://www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/>

> > The_John_Newton/new_menus/Hymns/OH_Book_1/OH_Book_1.aspx>
> >
> >
> > For transcriptions the “John Newton Project” provides
> some, but not all
> > of them. The ones they provide actually have Newton’s
> hand-written
> > pages. For others they link to
> >
> > 1.
> >
> > Google Books: https://www.google.com/search

> <https://www.google.com/search>?
> > tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=olney+hymns&num=10 <https://
> www.google.com/search <https://www.google.com/search>?
> > tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=olney+hymns&num=10>
> >
> > 2.
> >
> > CCEL: https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/
> olneyhymns.Book1.html <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/
> olneyhymns/olneyhymns.Book1.html>
> > <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/
> olneyhymns.Book1.html <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/

> olneyhymns/olneyhymns.Book1.html>>
> >
> >
> > Thirdly, you will notice I have added a few custom
> columns:
> >
> > *
> >
> > Column O indicates whether the poem was written
> by William Cowper or not
> >
> > *
> >
> > Columns P, Q, and R capture the organization of
> the Hymns in the
> > scan at the Internet Archive.
> >
> > *
> >
> > Column S has the first line of the hymn, which is
> often used to
> > index them. For example here <https://

> archive.org/details/ <https://archive.org/details/>

> > worksofrevjohnne03newt/page/n10/mode/1up>.
> >
> > *
> >
> > Column T has the meter, which while not in the
> original scan, is
> > easily computed (just the number of syllables per
> line) and is a
> > convenience for the reader who wishes to find a
> tune to go with the
> > words. For example, here is a website dedicated
> to public domain
> > tunes: link <https://www.pdhymns.com/index.htm
> <https://www.pdhymns.com/index.htm>>.
> >
> >
> > Thanks for any advice, feedback.
> > Cecil
> > On Monday, December 22, 2025 at 3:44:27 PM UTC-5 Alex
> Cabal wrote:
> >
> > OK, so two authors is probably the way to go.
> >
> > Follow the instructions here for creating a new
> spreadsheet
> > https://standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets
> <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets>

> <https://
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> >
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> > On 12/22/25 2:42 PM, Cecil New wrote:
> > > William Cowper did contribute. Per the
> preface, these are
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> > >
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> > >
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I thought I had deleted the spreadsheet you are looking at. My apologies, it is deleted now.

I started over on the spreadsheet: Link

I have another version that has a lot more in it in the custom columns.

Hope this is what you need to evaluate whether to go forward (or what else is needed).

Here are some things to consider:

I think I have nearly every hymn/poem done by John Newton. The John Newton Project has two more poems, but I haven't found any scans. They may be unpublished and they may be on hand-written pages that only they possess.
Expanding this beyond the set of poems in the "Olney Hymns" volume entails William Cowper's contributions. So if we need to include all of Cowper's hymns/poems, that remains to be done. I do have some sources/scans that I have identified. But there will be some duplication - so the spreadsheet will help with that.

Let me know if there is anything else that might be helpful.

Alex Cabal

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OK great. Now, in the spreadsheet we have to fill out the omnibus
column. Then, presuming that the spreadsheet contains every poem the two
wrote together, we can then see which go in Olney, and which are
uncollected.

I was not aware they had any uncollected poems, I assumed that Olney was
the only poetry collaboration they did. That's why we need the
spreadsheet organized first, to understand what the body of work looks
like before we begin big projects.

On 1/21/26 11:42 AM, Cecil New wrote:
> I thought I had deleted the spreadsheet you are looking at. My
> apologies, it is deleted now.
>

> I started over on the spreadsheet: Link <https://docs.google.com/
> spreadsheets/d/1FbP4aUBKTXTVcAbs6j8l_y_m0-Xl_t22yrJXnTxbnHo/edit?
> usp=sharing>

> I have another version that has a lot more in it in the custom columns.
>
> Hope this is what you need to evaluate whether to go forward (or what
> else is needed).
>
> Here are some things to consider:
>

> 1. I think I have nearly every hymn/poem done by John Newton. The John

> Newton Project has two more poems, but I haven't found any scans.
> They may be unpublished and they may be on hand-written pages that
> only they possess.

> 2. Expanding this beyond the set of poems in the "Olney Hymns" volume

> en.wikisource.org/wiki/Olney_Hymns_(1840)> <https://
> > en.wikisource.org/wiki/Olney_Hymns_(1840) <http://

> en.wikisource.org/wiki/Olney_Hymns_(1840)>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Monday, January 12, 2026 at 9:36:10 AM UTC-5 Cecil New wrote:
> >
> > Progress... this morning completed Book II; Book III has 108 poems/
> > hymns. I hope to complete the spreadsheet for the "Olney
> > Hymns" (proper) by end of the week. Then I will tackle the
> following:
> > - miscellaneous poems by Newton and Cowper (will require some
> research)
> > - research whether any hymns by Newton and Cowper lie outside the
> > Internet Archive collected works and include them if any found.
> >
> > So I think I'll be done before end of January!
> >
> > On Wednesday, January 7, 2026 at 9:23:21 AM UTC-5 Cecil New wrote:
> >
> > Just a quick note on spreadsheet progress... It is slow going,

> > but per the poetry “how-to <https://standardebooks.org/ <https://
> standardebooks.org/>

> spreadsheets/> <https://
> > docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://docs.google.com/

> spreadsheets/>>
> > > d/18gPLa_7Hkucu1mSeIxHcQeln8hm1z4VXIrK4UAyHjv0/edit?
> > usp=sharing
> > > <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <https://

> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/> <https://
> > docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://docs.google.com/

> spreadsheets/>>
> > > d/18gPLa_7Hkucu1mSeIxHcQeln8hm1z4VXIrK4UAyHjv0/edit?
> > usp=sharing>
> > >
> > >
> > > Firstly, I want to double check that this is suitable
> > for SE.
> > >
> > >
> > > Secondly, I have found what I’d consider an
> > authoritative website on
> > > John Newton’s works, including his poetry. Link:
> > https://

> > > www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/ <http://
> www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/>
> > new_menus/Hymns/ <http://www.johnnewton.org/ <http://
> www.johnnewton.org/>
> > Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/new_menus/Hymns/>
> > > OH_Book_1/OH_Book_1.aspx <https://www.johnnewton.org/ <https://
> www.johnnewton.org/>
> > Groups/222577/ <https://www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/

> <https://www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/>>
> > > The_John_Newton/new_menus/Hymns/OH_Book_1/OH_Book_1.aspx>
> > >
> > >
> > > For transcriptions the “John Newton Project” provides
> > some, but not all
> > > of them. The ones they provide actually have Newton’s
> > hand-written
> > > pages. For others they link to
> > >
> > > 1.
> > >
> > > Google Books: https://www.google.com/search <https://
> www.google.com/search>
> > <https://www.google.com/search <https://www.google.com/search>>?
> > > tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=olney+hymns&num=10 <https://

> > www.google.com/search <http://www.google.com/search> <https://

> www.google.com/search <https://www.google.com/search>>?
> > > tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=olney+hymns&num=10>
> > >
> > > 2.
> > >

> > > CCEL: https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/ <https://
> ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/>
> > olneyhymns.Book1.html <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/ <https://
> ccel.org/ccel/newton/>
> > olneyhymns/olneyhymns.Book1.html>
> > > <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/ <https://
> ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/>
> > olneyhymns.Book1.html <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/ <https://
> ccel.org/ccel/newton/>

> > olneyhymns/olneyhymns.Book1.html>>
> > >
> > >
> > > Thirdly, you will notice I have added a few custom
> > columns:
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > Column O indicates whether the poem was written
> > by William Cowper or not
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > Columns P, Q, and R capture the organization of
> > the Hymns in the
> > > scan at the Internet Archive.
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > Column S has the first line of the hymn, which is
> > often used to
> > > index them. For example here <https://

> > archive.org/details/ <http://archive.org/details/> <https://

> archive.org/details/ <https://archive.org/details/>>
> > > worksofrevjohnne03newt/page/n10/mode/1up>.
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > Column T has the meter, which while not in the
> > original scan, is
> > > easily computed (just the number of syllables per
> > line) and is a
> > > convenience for the reader who wishes to find a
> > tune to go with the
> > > words. For example, here is a website dedicated
> > to public domain
> > > tunes: link <https://www.pdhymns.com/index.htm <https://
> www.pdhymns.com/index.htm>

> > <https://www.pdhymns.com/index.htm <https://www.pdhymns.com/

> index.htm>>>.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for any advice, feedback.
> > > Cecil
> > > On Monday, December 22, 2025 at 3:44:27 PM UTC-5 Alex
> > Cabal wrote:
> > >
> > > OK, so two authors is probably the way to go.
> > >
> > > Follow the instructions here for creating a new
> > spreadsheet
> > > https://standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets <https://
> standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets>
> > <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets <https://
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> > >
> > > Once you're done, send me a link and make sure to
> > make the sheet
> > > publicly visible. Thanks!
> > >
> > > On 12/22/25 2:42 PM, Cecil New wrote:
> > > > William Cowper did contribute. Per the
> > preface, these are
> > > indicated with
> > > > the letter "C" after the roman numeral.
> > > >
> > > > Snippet:
> > > > Screenshot from 2025-12-22 15-34-12.png
> > > >

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I've made a copy into the SE account and added you as an editor, so
please work on this copy from now on:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1utRMMQLHqa6iUBTcJ5SRsPo6yeozIB5y2i3UPSsBGq0/edit?gid=0#gid=0

Thanks!

On 1/21/26 11:42 AM, Cecil New wrote:

> I thought I had deleted the spreadsheet you are looking at. My
> apologies, it is deleted now.
>

> I started over on the spreadsheet: Link <https://docs.google.com/
> spreadsheets/d/1FbP4aUBKTXTVcAbs6j8l_y_m0-Xl_t22yrJXnTxbnHo/edit?
> usp=sharing>

> 1. I think I have nearly every hymn/poem done by John Newton. The John

> Newton Project has two more poems, but I haven't found any scans.
> They may be unpublished and they may be on hand-written pages that
> only they possess.

> 2. Expanding this beyond the set of poems in the "Olney Hymns" volume

> en.wikisource.org/wiki/Olney_Hymns_(1840)> <https://
> > en.wikisource.org/wiki/Olney_Hymns_(1840) <http://

> > but per the poetry “how-to <https://standardebooks.org/ <https://
> standardebooks.org/>

> > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <https://docs.google.com/
> spreadsheets/> <https://

> > docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://docs.google.com/
> spreadsheets/>>
> > > d/18gPLa_7Hkucu1mSeIxHcQeln8hm1z4VXIrK4UAyHjv0/edit?
> > usp=sharing

> > > <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <https://
> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/> <https://

> > docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://docs.google.com/

> > > www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/ <http://
> www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/>

> > new_menus/Hymns/ <http://www.johnnewton.org/ <http://
> www.johnnewton.org/>
> > Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/new_menus/Hymns/>
> > > OH_Book_1/OH_Book_1.aspx <https://www.johnnewton.org/ <https://
> www.johnnewton.org/>
> > Groups/222577/ <https://www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/

> > www.google.com/search <http://www.google.com/search> <https://

> www.google.com/search <https://www.google.com/search>>?
> > > tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=olney+hymns&num=10>
> > >
> > > 2.
> > >

> > archive.org/details/ <http://archive.org/details/> <https://

> > > tunes: link <https://www.pdhymns.com/index.htm <https://
> www.pdhymns.com/index.htm>
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You wrote: "... presuming that the spreadsheet contains every poem the two
wrote together"

To be clear, AFAIK, the two did not write any poems together. Olney has 68 poems written by Cowper. The remaining 248 were written by John Newton.

And, so far, Olney is the only book that has contributions from both that I have come across. But I should know for certain soon. I just need a bit more time to research the bibliographies of both.

Cecil New

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I have completed my research on this project and have mixed feelings about whether it is worthwhile for SE to produce this project. Here are some data points to consider:

The “Olney Hymns” is the only collaborative work done by Newton and Cowper. There are other works done by Cowper that will show John Newton’s name, but it is only because Newton wrote the preface.
John Newton, outside of these hymns, only wrote five poems that I can find. Whereas Cowper wrote hundreds and even did things like translate “The Iliad and Odyssey of Homer” into blank verse.

I did find during this research that CCEL has a free EPUB download of “Olney Hymns”. Their work has the following flaws:

They have Americanized spellings.
They have quite a few mistakes (which I was careful to notify them of).
The formatting isn’t done well. For example, they inlined notes that Newton included as footers to the poem.

All that said, I’m not sure there is enough value for us to produce a “free” version of Olney hymns when where there is a “free as in beer” version so readily available.

And there certainly doesn’t seem to be any reason to produce a combined collection of the two poets then there is only a single book that has collaboration between the two.

I propose that we either limit the project to improving CCEL’s “Olney Hymns” or just abandoning it altogether. Thoughts?

Alex Cabal

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I don't understand - you think we shouldn't on Olney Hymns, because it
exists somewhere else? Isn't that the case for almost every book we work on?

On 1/27/26 9:06 AM, Cecil New wrote:
> I have completed my research on this project and have mixed feelings
> about whether it is worthwhile for SE to produce this project. Here are
> some data points to consider:
>

> 1.

>
> The “Olney Hymns” is the only collaborative work done by Newton and
> Cowper. There are other works done by Cowper that will show John
> Newton’s name, but it is only because Newton wrote the preface.
>

> 2.

>
> John Newton, outside of these hymns, only wrote five poems that I
> can find. Whereas Cowper wrote hundreds and even did things like
> translate “The Iliad and Odyssey of Homer” into blank verse.
>
>
> I did find during this research that CCEL has a free EPUB download

> <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/olneyhymns.>of “Olney Hymns”.

> Their work has the following flaws:
>

> 1.
>
> They have Americanized spellings.
>
> 2.

>
> They have quite a few mistakes (which I was careful to notify them of).
>

> 3.

>
> The formatting isn’t done well. For example, they inlined notes that
> Newton included as footers to the poem.
>
>
> All that said, I’m not sure there is enough value for us to produce a
> “free” version of Olney hymns when where there is a “free as in beer”
> version so readily available.
>
>
> And there certainly doesn’t seem to be any reason to produce a combined
> collection of the two poets then there is only a single book that has
> collaboration between the two.
>
>
> I propose that we either limit the project to improving CCEL’s “Olney
> Hymns” or just abandoning it altogether. Thoughts?
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 21, 2026 at 8:28:40 PM UTC-5 Cecil New wrote:
>
> You wrote: "... presuming that the spreadsheet contains every poem
> the two
> wrote together"
>

> To be clear, AFAIK, the two did not write any poems _together_.

> Olney has 68 poems written by Cowper. The remaining 248 were written
> by John Newton.
>
> And, so far, Olney is the only book that has contributions from both
> that I have come across. But I should know for certain soon. I just
> need a bit more time to research the bibliographies of both.
>
> On Wednesday, January 21, 2026 at 7:40:19 PM UTC-5 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> I've made a copy into the SE account and added you as an editor, so
> please work on this copy from now on:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/
> d/1utRMMQLHqa6iUBTcJ5SRsPo6yeozIB5y2i3UPSsBGq0/edit?gid=0#gid=0

> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/
> d/1utRMMQLHqa6iUBTcJ5SRsPo6yeozIB5y2i3UPSsBGq0/edit?gid=0#gid=0>

>
> Thanks!
>
> On 1/21/26 11:42 AM, Cecil New wrote:
> > I thought I had deleted the spreadsheet you are looking at. My
> > apologies, it is deleted now.
> >
> > I started over on the spreadsheet: Link <https://

> docs.google.com/ <https://docs.google.com/>
> > spreadsheets/d/1FbP4aUBKTXTVcAbs6j8l_y_m0-Xl_t22yrJXnTxbnHo/

> en.wikisource.org/wiki/Olney_Hymns_(1840)> <http://

> > en.wikisource.org/wiki/Olney_Hymns_(1840) <http://
> en.wikisource.org/wiki/Olney_Hymns_(1840)>>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Monday, January 12, 2026 at 9:36:10 AM UTC-5 Cecil New
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Progress... this morning completed Book II; Book III has
> 108 poems/
> > > hymns. I hope to complete the spreadsheet for the "Olney
> > > Hymns" (proper) by end of the week. Then I will tackle the
> > following:
> > > - miscellaneous poems by Newton and Cowper (will require some
> > research)
> > > - research whether any hymns by Newton and Cowper lie
> outside the
> > > Internet Archive collected works and include them if any
> found.
> > >
> > > So I think I'll be done before end of January!
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, January 7, 2026 at 9:23:21 AM UTC-5 Cecil New
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just a quick note on spreadsheet progress... It is slow going,
> > > but per the poetry “how-to <https://standardebooks.org/

> <https://standardebooks.org/> <https://
> > standardebooks.org/ <http://standardebooks.org/>>

> spreadsheets/> <http://docs.google.com/ <http://docs.google.com/>

> > spreadsheets/>>
> > > > d/18gPLa_7Hkucu1mSeIxHcQeln8hm1z4VXIrK4UAyHjv0/edit?
> > > usp=sharing
> > > > <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <https://
> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/> <https://
> > docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://docs.google.com/
> spreadsheets/>> <https://
> > > docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://docs.google.com/

> spreadsheets/> <http://docs.google.com/ <http://docs.google.com/>

> > spreadsheets/>>
> > > > d/18gPLa_7Hkucu1mSeIxHcQeln8hm1z4VXIrK4UAyHjv0/edit?
> > > usp=sharing>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Firstly, I want to double check that this is suitable
> > > for SE.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Secondly, I have found what I’d consider an
> > > authoritative website on
> > > > John Newton’s works, including his poetry. Link:
> > > https://
> > > > www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/

> <http://www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/> <http://

> > www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/ <http://
> www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/>>
> > > new_menus/Hymns/ <http://www.johnnewton.org/ <http://

> www.johnnewton.org/> <http://

> > www.johnnewton.org/ <http://www.johnnewton.org/>>
> > > Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/new_menus/Hymns/>
> > > > OH_Book_1/OH_Book_1.aspx <https://www.johnnewton.org/
> <https://www.johnnewton.org/> <https://

> > www.johnnewton.org/ <http://www.johnnewton.org/>>

> > > Groups/222577/ <https://www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/
> <https://www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/>

> > <https://www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/ <https://

> www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/>>>
> > > > The_John_Newton/new_menus/Hymns/OH_Book_1/OH_Book_1.aspx>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For transcriptions the “John Newton Project” provides
> > > some, but not all
> > > > of them. The ones they provide actually have Newton’s
> > > hand-written
> > > > pages. For others they link to
> > > >
> > > > 1.
> > > >
> > > > Google Books: https://www.google.com/search <https://

> www.google.com/search> <https://
> > www.google.com/search <http://www.google.com/search>>

> > > <https://www.google.com/search <https://www.google.com/
> search> <https://www.google.com/search <https://www.google.com/
> search>>>?
> > > > tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=olney+hymns&num=10 <https://
> > > www.google.com/search <http://www.google.com/search>

> <http://www.google.com/search <http://www.google.com/search>>
> <https://
> > www.google.com/search <http://www.google.com/search>

> <https://www.google.com/search <https://www.google.com/search>>>?
> > > > tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=olney+hymns&num=10>
> > > >

> > > > 2.
> > > >
> > > > CCEL: https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/
> <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/> <https://
> > ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/ <http://ccel.org/ccel/

> newton/olneyhymns/>>
> > > olneyhymns.Book1.html <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/
> <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/> <https://

> > ccel.org/ccel/newton/ <http://ccel.org/ccel/newton/>>

> > > olneyhymns/olneyhymns.Book1.html>
> > > > <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/ <https://

> ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/> <https://
> > ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/ <http://ccel.org/ccel/

> newton/olneyhymns/>>
> > > olneyhymns.Book1.html <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/
> <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/> <https://

> > ccel.org/ccel/newton/ <http://ccel.org/ccel/newton/>>

> > > olneyhymns/olneyhymns.Book1.html>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thirdly, you will notice I have added a few custom
> > > columns:
> > > >
> > > > *
> > > >
> > > > Column O indicates whether the poem was written
> > > by William Cowper or not
> > > >
> > > > *
> > > >
> > > > Columns P, Q, and R capture the organization of
> > > the Hymns in the
> > > > scan at the Internet Archive.
> > > >
> > > > *
> > > >
> > > > Column S has the first line of the hymn, which is
> > > often used to
> > > > index them. For example here <https://

> > > archive.org/details/ <http://archive.org/details/> <http://

> archive.org/details/ <http://archive.org/details/>> <https://
> > archive.org/details/ <http://archive.org/details/> <https://
> archive.org/details/ <https://archive.org/details/>>>
> > > > worksofrevjohnne03newt/page/n10/mode/1up>.
> > > >
> > > > *
> > > >
> > > > Column T has the meter, which while not in the
> > > original scan, is
> > > > easily computed (just the number of syllables per
> > > line) and is a
> > > > convenience for the reader who wishes to find a
> > > tune to go with the
> > > > words. For example, here is a website dedicated
> > > to public domain
> > > > tunes: link <https://www.pdhymns.com/index.htm
> <https://www.pdhymns.com/index.htm> <https://

> > www.pdhymns.com/index.htm <http://www.pdhymns.com/index.htm>>
> > > <https://www.pdhymns.com/index.htm <https://
> www.pdhymns.com/index.htm> <https://www.pdhymns.com/ <https://
> www.pdhymns.com/>

> > index.htm>>>.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for any advice, feedback.
> > > > Cecil
> > > > On Monday, December 22, 2025 at 3:44:27 PM UTC-5 Alex
> > > Cabal wrote:
> > > >
> > > > OK, so two authors is probably the way to go.
> > > >
> > > > Follow the instructions here for creating a new
> > > spreadsheet
> > > > https://standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets

> <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets> <https://
> > standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets <http://
> standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets>>
> > > <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets
> <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets> <https://
> > standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets <http://

> standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets>>>
> > > <https://
> > > > standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets <http://
> standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets> <http://
> > standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets <http://

> standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets>> <http://

> > > standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets <http://
> standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets> <http://
> > standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets <http://
> standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets>>>>
> > > >
> > > > Once you're done, send me a link and make sure to
> > > make the sheet
> > > > publicly visible. Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > On 12/22/25 2:42 PM, Cecil New wrote:
> > > > > William Cowper did contribute. Per the
> > > preface, these are
> > > > indicated with
> > > > > the letter "C" after the roman numeral.
> > > > >
> > > > > Snippet:
> > > > > Screenshot from 2025-12-22 15-34-12.png
> > > > >
> > > > > Example: https://archive.org/details/ <https://

> archive.org/details/> <https://
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> > > worksofrevjohnne03newt/ <https://archive.org/details/
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> > > worksofrevjohnne03newt/>
> > > > page/308/ <https://archive.org/details/ <https://

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Jan 28, 2026, 9:39:15 AMJan 28

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Yeah, good point. I'll get started and will start a new thread when I have the repo ready. The new thread will add William Cowper to the subject line.

So: Olney Hymns by William Cowper and John Newton (alphabetic order ok?)

Alex Cabal

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That's fine. Typically whatever order is listed on the original
publication is what we prefer, but if they vary then it doesn't matter much.

So, to confirm I understand the situation:

- The spreadsheet lists all of the Olney Hymns.

- Will you include row 353, "Longing to be with Christ"?

- The spreadsheet also lists 4 uncollected poems by John Newton, he has
no other poems in his corpus

- Cowper on the other hand does have many uncollected poems in his corpus

- JN and WC did not write any more poems jointly, only Olny Hymns.

Is all of that correct?

If so, then I'll rework the spreadsheet to remove the Olney Hymns and
leave JN's uncollected work. We could just do a tiny omnibus except that
none of them have page scans, so we don't know if even he wrote them or
if the transcriptions are accurate.

On 1/28/26 8:39 AM, Cecil New wrote:
> Yeah, good point. I'll get started and will start a new thread when I
> have the repo ready. The new thread will add William Cowper to the
> subject line.
> So: Olney Hymns by William Cowper and John Newton (alphabetic order ok?)
>
> On Tuesday, January 27, 2026 at 12:22:51 PM UTC-5 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> I don't understand - you think we shouldn't on Olney Hymns, because it
> exists somewhere else? Isn't that the case for almost every book we
> work on?
>
> On 1/27/26 9:06 AM, Cecil New wrote:
> > I have completed my research on this project and have mixed feelings
> > about whether it is worthwhile for SE to produce this project.
> Here are
> > some data points to consider:
> >
> > 1.
> >
> > The “Olney Hymns” is the only collaborative work done by Newton and
> > Cowper. There are other works done by Cowper that will show John
> > Newton’s name, but it is only because Newton wrote the preface.
> >
> > 2.
> >
> > John Newton, outside of these hymns, only wrote five poems that I
> > can find. Whereas Cowper wrote hundreds and even did things like
> > translate “The Iliad and Odyssey of Homer” into blank verse.
> >
> >
> > I did find during this research that CCEL has a free EPUB download

> > <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/olneyhymns <https://
> ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/olneyhymns>.>of “Olney Hymns”.

> > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <https://docs.google.com/
> spreadsheets/>
> > d/1utRMMQLHqa6iUBTcJ5SRsPo6yeozIB5y2i3UPSsBGq0/edit?gid=0#gid=0
> > <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <https://docs.google.com/
> spreadsheets/>

> > d/1utRMMQLHqa6iUBTcJ5SRsPo6yeozIB5y2i3UPSsBGq0/edit?gid=0#gid=0>
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > On 1/21/26 11:42 AM, Cecil New wrote:
> > > I thought I had deleted the spreadsheet you are looking at. My
> > > apologies, it is deleted now.
> > >
> > > I started over on the spreadsheet: Link <https://

> > docs.google.com/ <http://docs.google.com/> <https://

> en.wikisource.org/wiki/Olney_Hymns_(1840)>> <http://

> > > standardebooks.org/ <http://standardebooks.org/> <http://

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> <http://docs.google.com/ <http://docs.google.com/>>
> > > spreadsheets/>>
> > > > > d/18gPLa_7Hkucu1mSeIxHcQeln8hm1z4VXIrK4UAyHjv0/edit?
> > > > usp=sharing>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Firstly, I want to double check that this is suitable
> > > > for SE.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Secondly, I have found what I’d consider an
> > > > authoritative website on
> > > > > John Newton’s works, including his poetry. Link:
> > > > https://

> > > > > www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/ <http://

> www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/>
> > <http://www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/
> <http://www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/>> <http://
> > > www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/ <http://
> www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/> <http://
> > www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/ <http://
> www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/>>>
> > > > new_menus/Hymns/ <http://www.johnnewton.org/ <http://
> www.johnnewton.org/> <http://

> > www.johnnewton.org/ <http://www.johnnewton.org/>> <http://
> > > www.johnnewton.org/ <http://www.johnnewton.org/> <http://

> www.johnnewton.org/ <http://www.johnnewton.org/>>>
> > > > Groups/222577/The_John_Newton/new_menus/Hymns/>
> > > > > OH_Book_1/OH_Book_1.aspx <https://www.johnnewton.org/
> <https://www.johnnewton.org/>
> > <https://www.johnnewton.org/ <https://www.johnnewton.org/>>
> <https://

> > > www.johnnewton.org/ <http://www.johnnewton.org/> <http://

> www.johnnewton.org/ <http://www.johnnewton.org/>>>
> > > > Groups/222577/ <https://www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/
> <https://www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/>
> > <https://www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/ <https://
> www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/>>
> > > <https://www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/ <https://

> www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/> <https://
> > www.johnnewton.org/Groups/222577/ <http://www.johnnewton.org/

> Groups/222577/>>>>
> > > > > The_John_Newton/new_menus/Hymns/OH_Book_1/OH_Book_1.aspx>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > For transcriptions the “John Newton Project” provides
> > > > some, but not all
> > > > > of them. The ones they provide actually have Newton’s
> > > > hand-written
> > > > > pages. For others they link to
> > > > >
> > > > > 1.
> > > > >
> > > > > Google Books: https://www.google.com/search <https://
> www.google.com/search> <https://

> > www.google.com/search <http://www.google.com/search>> <https://
> > > www.google.com/search <http://www.google.com/search> <http://

> www.google.com/search <http://www.google.com/search>>>
> > > > <https://www.google.com/search <https://www.google.com/

> search> <https://www.google.com/ <https://www.google.com/>

> > search> <https://www.google.com/search <https://www.google.com/

> search> <https://www.google.com/ <https://www.google.com/>

> > search>>>?
> > > > > tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=olney+hymns&num=10 <https://

> > > > www.google.com/search <http://www.google.com/search> <http://

> www.google.com/search <http://www.google.com/search>>
> > <http://www.google.com/search <http://www.google.com/search>
> <http://www.google.com/search <http://www.google.com/search>>>
> > <https://

> > > www.google.com/search <http://www.google.com/search> <http://

> www.google.com/search <http://www.google.com/search>>
> > <https://www.google.com/search <https://www.google.com/search>
> <https://www.google.com/search <https://www.google.com/search>>>>?
> > > > > tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=olney+hymns&num=10>
> > > > >
> > > > > 2.
> > > > >
> > > > > CCEL: https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/
> <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/>

> > <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/ <https://ccel.org/ccel/
> newton/olneyhymns/>> <https://
> > > ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/ <http://ccel.org/ccel/newton/

> olneyhymns/> <http://ccel.org/ccel/ <http://ccel.org/ccel/>

> > newton/olneyhymns/>>
> > > > olneyhymns.Book1.html <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/
> <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/>
> > <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/ <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/>>
> <https://

> > > ccel.org/ccel/newton/ <http://ccel.org/ccel/newton/> <http://

> ccel.org/ccel/newton/ <http://ccel.org/ccel/newton/>>>
> > > > olneyhymns/olneyhymns.Book1.html>
> > > > > <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/ <https://
> ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/> <https://

> > ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/ <http://ccel.org/ccel/newton/

> olneyhymns/>> <https://
> > > ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/ <http://ccel.org/ccel/newton/

> olneyhymns/> <http://ccel.org/ccel/ <http://ccel.org/ccel/>

> > newton/olneyhymns/>>
> > > > olneyhymns.Book1.html <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/
> <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/>
> > <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/ <https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/>>
> <https://

> > > ccel.org/ccel/newton/ <http://ccel.org/ccel/newton/> <http://

> ccel.org/ccel/newton/ <http://ccel.org/ccel/newton/>>>
> > > > olneyhymns/olneyhymns.Book1.html>>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thirdly, you will notice I have added a few custom
> > > > columns:
> > > > >
> > > > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > Column O indicates whether the poem was written
> > > > by William Cowper or not
> > > > >
> > > > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > Columns P, Q, and R capture the organization of
> > > > the Hymns in the
> > > > > scan at the Internet Archive.
> > > > >
> > > > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > Column S has the first line of the hymn, which is
> > > > often used to
> > > > > index them. For example here <https://
> > > > archive.org/details/ <http://archive.org/details/> <http://

> archive.org/details/ <http://archive.org/details/>> <http://

> > archive.org/details/ <http://archive.org/details/> <http://
> archive.org/details/ <http://archive.org/details/>>> <https://
> > > archive.org/details/ <http://archive.org/details/> <http://
> archive.org/details/ <http://archive.org/details/>> <https://
> > archive.org/details/ <http://archive.org/details/> <https://
> archive.org/details/ <https://archive.org/details/>>>>
> > > > > worksofrevjohnne03newt/page/n10/mode/1up>.
> > > > >
> > > > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > Column T has the meter, which while not in the
> > > > original scan, is
> > > > > easily computed (just the number of syllables per
> > > > line) and is a
> > > > > convenience for the reader who wishes to find a
> > > > tune to go with the
> > > > > words. For example, here is a website dedicated
> > > > to public domain
> > > > > tunes: link <https://www.pdhymns.com/index.htm
> <https://www.pdhymns.com/index.htm>

> > <https://www.pdhymns.com/index.htm <https://www.pdhymns.com/
> index.htm>> <https://

> > > www.pdhymns.com/index.htm <http://www.pdhymns.com/index.htm>
> <http://www.pdhymns.com/index.htm <http://www.pdhymns.com/index.htm>>>

> > > > <https://www.pdhymns.com/index.htm <https://www.pdhymns.com/
> index.htm> <https://
> > www.pdhymns.com/index.htm <http://www.pdhymns.com/index.htm>>

> <https://www.pdhymns.com/ <https://www.pdhymns.com/> <https://
> > www.pdhymns.com/ <http://www.pdhymns.com/>>

> > > index.htm>>>.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for any advice, feedback.
> > > > > Cecil
> > > > > On Monday, December 22, 2025 at 3:44:27 PM UTC-5 Alex
> > > > Cabal wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > OK, so two authors is probably the way to go.
> > > > >
> > > > > Follow the instructions here for creating a new
> > > > spreadsheet
> > > > > https://standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets
> <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets>

> > <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets <https://

> > > > <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets <https://
> standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets>
> > <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets <https://

> standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets>>> <http://

> > > > standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets <http://
> standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets> <http://
> > standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets <http://
> standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets>> <http://
> > > standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets <http://
> standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets> <http://
> > standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets <http://
> standardebooks.org/contribute/spreadsheets>>>>>
> > > > >
> > > > > Once you're done, send me a link and make sure to
> > > > make the sheet
> > > > > publicly visible. Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > > On 12/22/25 2:42 PM, Cecil New wrote:
> > > > > > William Cowper did contribute. Per the
> > > > preface, these are
> > > > > indicated with
> > > > > > the letter "C" after the roman numeral.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Snippet:
> > > > > > Screenshot from 2025-12-22 15-34-12.png
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Example: https://archive.org/details/ <https://
> archive.org/details/> <https://

> > archive.org/details/ <http://archive.org/details/>> <https://

> > > archive.org/details/ <http://archive.org/details/> <http://
> archive.org/details/ <http://archive.org/details/>>>

> > > > worksofrevjohnne03newt/ <https://archive.org/details/
> <https://archive.org/details/>
> > <https://archive.org/details/ <https://archive.org/details/>>
> <https://

> > > archive.org/details/ <http://archive.org/details/> <http://

> archive.org/details/ <http://archive.org/details/>>>
> > > > worksofrevjohnne03newt/>
> > > > > page/308/ <https://archive.org/details/ <https://
> archive.org/details/> <https://

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Jan 28, 2026, 1:32:17 PMJan 28

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All correct. I would not include row 353 since it is not present in either the scan or transcription I plan to use.

Alex Cabal

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So where did it come from?

On 1/28/26 12:32 PM, Cecil New wrote:
> All correct. I would not include row 353 since it is not present in
> either the scan or transcription I plan to use.
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Cecil New

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Jan 28, 2026, 2:09:26 PMJan 28

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It was included in the CCEL transcriptions; there was no explanation of why it was there. It comes right after the last page of the Olney Hymns (an index page) and it is a Cowper hymn.

Link: https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/olneyhymns.A1.a_1.html

Was also part of a WikiSource page of Cowper's work.

Link: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Poetical_Works_of_William_Cowper_%28Benham%29/Olney_Hymns#:~:text=LXVIII.%20LONGING%20TO%20BE%20WITH%20CHRIST

Alex Cabal

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Jan 28, 2026, 2:29:44 PMJan 28

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Wikisource says it's from "The Poetical Works of William Cowper, edited
by William Benham: MacMillan, 1870." Can you find scans of that? If
Wikisource could find them then they must be online somwhere.

On 1/28/26 1:09 PM, Cecil New wrote:
> It was included in the CCEL transcriptions; there was no explanation of
> why it was there. It comes right after the last page of the Olney Hymns
> (an index page) and it is a Cowper hymn.
> Link: https://ccel.org/ccel/newton/olneyhymns/olneyhymns.A1.a_1.html
>
> Was also part of a WikiSource page of Cowper's work.
> Link: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/
> The_Poetical_Works_of_William_Cowper_%28Benham%29/
> Olney_Hymns#:~:text=LXVIII.%20LONGING%20TO%20BE%20WITH%20CHRIST
>
> On Wednesday, January 28, 2026 at 1:34:24 PM UTC-5 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> So where did it come from?
>
> On 1/28/26 12:32 PM, Cecil New wrote:
> > All correct. I would not include row 353 since it is not present in
> > either the scan or transcription I plan to use.
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Here it is:
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Poetical_Works_of_William_Cowper/CBqsxmNTN3kC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Longing%20to%20be%20with%20Christ%22

So you can include that one too. I've updated the sheet

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