[Next production] Aspects of the Novel, by E. M. Forster
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David
Jul 2, 2025, 6:20:00 AM7/2/25
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Proof-reading for the Thomas Hardy shorts collection is proceeding well, but while I'm doing that I thought I might get going on something a little shorter.
We have a "holding page" for Forster's _Aspects of the Novel_, and I'd like to produce (read!) it. It's about 45K words:
- PG transcription: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/70492
- IA scans: https://archive.org/details/aspectsofnovel0000emfo_e7j0
I assume we cut the index, but retain the prefatory note (and dedication).
I wonder, too, whether it would be worth including as an appendix Forster's Hogarth Essay, "Anonymity" which he references in the first chapter. It's about 4,600 words:
- PG transcription: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/74818
- IA scans: https://archive.org/details/anonymityenquiry00fors
However, it does appear in Forster's second volume of collected essays (_Two Cheers for Democracy_), and perhaps "Anonymity" should be part of any future SE omnibus of Forster's essays.
Assuming this looks okay, project repo is here (without "Anonymity", of course):
https://github.com/dajare/e-m-forster_aspects-of-the-novel
https://github.com/dajare/e-m-forster_aspects-of-the-novel
David / Fife, UK
Alex Cabal
Jul 2, 2025, 9:41:31 AM7/2/25
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OK, Lukas will manage this with Emma reviewing.
Yes, cut the index, no to the essay, that would go in a separate Essays
collection.
On 7/2/25 5:20 AM, David wrote:
> Proof-reading for the Thomas Hardy shorts collection is proceeding well,
> but while I'm doing that I thought I might get going on something a
> little shorter.
>
> We have a "holding page <https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/e-m-forster/
> aspects-of-the-novel>" for Forster's _Aspects of the Novel_, and I'd
> * IA scans: https://archive.org/details/aspectsofnovel0000emfo_e7j0
> www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/70492/pg70492-images.html#Footnote_2_1> in
> * IA scans: https://archive.org/details/anonymityenquiry00fors
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Yes, cut the index, no to the essay, that would go in a separate Essays
collection.
On 7/2/25 5:20 AM, David wrote:
> Proof-reading for the Thomas Hardy shorts collection is proceeding well,
> but while I'm doing that I thought I might get going on something a
> little shorter.
>
> aspects-of-the-novel>" for Forster's _Aspects of the Novel_, and I'd
> like to produce (read!) it. It's about 45K words:
>
> * PG transcription: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/70492
>
> * IA scans: https://archive.org/details/aspectsofnovel0000emfo_e7j0
>
> I assume we cut the index, but retain the prefatory note (and dedication).
>
> I wonder, too, whether it would be worth including as an appendix
> Forster's Hogarth Essay, "Anonymity" which he references <https://
> I assume we cut the index, but retain the prefatory note (and dedication).
>
> I wonder, too, whether it would be worth including as an appendix
> www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/70492/pg70492-images.html#Footnote_2_1> in
> the first chapter. It's about 4,600 words:
>
> * PG transcription: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/74818
>
> * IA scans: https://archive.org/details/anonymityenquiry00fors
>
> However, it does appear in Forster's second volume of collected essays
> (_Two Cheers for Democracy_), and perhaps "Anonymity" should be part of
> any future SE omnibus of Forster's essays.
>
> Assuming this looks okay, project repo is here (without "Anonymity", of
> course):
> https://github.com/dajare/e-m-forster_aspects-of-the-novel
>
> David / Fife, UK
>
> --
> However, it does appear in Forster's second volume of collected essays
> (_Two Cheers for Democracy_), and perhaps "Anonymity" should be part of
> any future SE omnibus of Forster's essays.
>
> Assuming this looks okay, project repo is here (without "Anonymity", of
> course):
> https://github.com/dajare/e-m-forster_aspects-of-the-novel
>
> David / Fife, UK
>
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David
Jul 2, 2025, 12:46:15 PM7/2/25
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I've got a cover proposal for you, Lukas: Van Gogh's "Piles of French novels", or "Stapels Franse romans" (Oct-Nov 1887). I haven't yet uploaded it the DB. Here's the "proof" info:
- PD 1927: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015017059489&seq=133&view=1up
- PD img : https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015017059489&seq=93&view=1up
(1) Google Art:
(2) Van Gogh Museum:
Thoughts? There are loads of "person reading book" paintings which can be used as alternatives. But it seems Van Gogh was something of a novel reader anyway, and this cover would put the attention on the *novels* rather than their readers.
Lukas Bystricky
Jul 2, 2025, 4:28:17 PM7/2/25
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I think it looks good; and I agree with your justification.
Personally I prefer the colours in the bottom one, but let me know which one you end up with.
David
Jul 3, 2025, 5:43:33 AM7/3/25
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Great - let's go with #2, then — that's the Van Gogh Museum version. I've added it to the artworks DB; could you do verification? Thanks!
D.
Lukas Bystricky
Jul 3, 2025, 3:05:52 PM7/3/25
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Looks like that's been taken care of!
David
Jul 6, 2025, 12:34:22 PM7/6/25
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I'm a bit puzzled (not for the first time!) about use of `cite` wrappers in the `endnotes.xhtml` file. Since I'm still working "locally", I've put my `endnotes.xhtml` file in question in a gist.
SEMoS has the specific rule for endnotes at § 7.10.5.3, so far fine. The more general case is covered at § 8.17. I also search the corpus for precedents (knowing SEMoS always takes priority).
I have some cases where the citation is embedded in some prose, e.g.
- `Paraphrased from <cite><i epub:type="se:name.publication.book" xml:lang="fr">Système des Beaux Arts</i>, <abbr>pp.</abbr> 314–315.</cite>`; or
- `Translated by Dorothy Bussy as <cite><i epub:type="se:name.publication.book">The Counterfeiters</i> (Knopf).</cite>`
(See the gist linked above for more.) But `lint` complains: `t-068 | Manual Review | endnotes.xhtml | Citation not offset with em dash.` There appear to be a examples of this kind of "cite" usage in the corpus, none with an `se-lint-ignore.xml` file that I can see.
I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but I'd be grateful for a little help with the "cite"s in these endnotes! Many thanks.
Alex Cabal
Jul 6, 2025, 2:09:18 PM7/6/25
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<cite> only makes sense when it refers to something. This usually means
the parent element, e.g. the contents of the parent element are a
*quotation* by its child <cite>.
Therefore, endnotes which are written by an editor have
`—<cite>Editor</cite>`, because the editor wrote the very same endnote.
However endnotes that merely mention some other work should not have
<cite> on that work, because <cite> does not apply to the parent. It is
not a citation!
On 7/6/25 11:34 AM, David wrote:
> I'm a bit puzzled (not for the first time!) about use of `cite` wrappers
> in the `endnotes.xhtml` file. Since I'm still working "locally", I've
> put my `endnotes.xhtml` file in question <https://gist.github.com/
> dajare/406a70f4e9c38d09eb075c879e603e43> in a gist.
>
> SEMoS has the specific rule for endnotes at § 7.10.5.3 <https://
> standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.2/single-page#7.10.5.3>, so far fine. The
> more general case is covered at § 8.17 <https://standardebooks.org/
> manual/1.8.2/single-page#8.17>. I also search the corpus for precedents
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/standardebooks/6ac7b2fc-
> ba7e-4429-9cda-8639000630d9n%40googlegroups.com?
> utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>.
the parent element, e.g. the contents of the parent element are a
*quotation* by its child <cite>.
Therefore, endnotes which are written by an editor have
`—<cite>Editor</cite>`, because the editor wrote the very same endnote.
However endnotes that merely mention some other work should not have
<cite> on that work, because <cite> does not apply to the parent. It is
not a citation!
On 7/6/25 11:34 AM, David wrote:
> I'm a bit puzzled (not for the first time!) about use of `cite` wrappers
> in the `endnotes.xhtml` file. Since I'm still working "locally", I've
> dajare/406a70f4e9c38d09eb075c879e603e43> in a gist.
>
> SEMoS has the specific rule for endnotes at § 7.10.5.3 <https://
> standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.2/single-page#7.10.5.3>, so far fine. The
> more general case is covered at § 8.17 <https://standardebooks.org/
> manual/1.8.2/single-page#8.17>. I also search the corpus for precedents
> (knowing SEMoS always takes priority).
>
> I have some cases where the citation is embedded in some prose, e.g.
>
> * `Paraphrased from <cite><i epub:type="se:name.publication.book"
>
> I have some cases where the citation is embedded in some prose, e.g.
>
> xml:lang="fr">Système des Beaux Arts</i>, <abbr>pp.</abbr>
> 314–315.</cite>`; or
> * `Translated by Dorothy Bussy as <cite><i
> 314–315.</cite>`; or
> epub:type="se:name.publication.book">The Counterfeiters</i>
> (Knopf).</cite>`
>
> (See the gist linked above for more.) But `lint` complains: `t-068 |
> Manual Review | endnotes.xhtml | Citation not offset with em dash.`
> There appear to be a examples of this kind of "cite" usage in the
> corpus, none with an `se-lint-ignore.xml` file that I can see.
>
> I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but I'd be grateful for a little
> help with the "cite"s in these endnotes! Many thanks.
>
> (Knopf).</cite>`
>
> (See the gist linked above for more.) But `lint` complains: `t-068 |
> Manual Review | endnotes.xhtml | Citation not offset with em dash.`
> There appear to be a examples of this kind of "cite" usage in the
> corpus, none with an `se-lint-ignore.xml` file that I can see.
>
> I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but I'd be grateful for a little
> help with the "cite"s in these endnotes! Many thanks.
>
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David
Jul 7, 2025, 6:09:51 AM7/7/25
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Ah, okay — thanks. I think, then, I've misunderstood what `<cite>` signalled. I had somehow understood these tags wrapped any explicit _reference_; but that's wrong. I take it use of `<cite>` is limited to the immediate appending of a source for some immediately preceding matter. As you say, a _citation_ not a _reference_.
I've compared my notes to those in Quiller-Couch's _Art of Reading_, and think I've (now!) got it sussed. Proof-reading about to commence!
David
Jul 16, 2025, 6:09:04 AM7/16/25
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This is all done, and ready for review, Emma: https://github.com/dajare/e-m-forster_aspects-of-the-novel
A few notes on this one:
- c3/17 : unsemanticated <i>x</i>
- c7/63 : `A.E.` is an "initialism pseudonym/nickname" for George William Russell (NO SPACE, = initialism!)
- `Magic Flute` is the book by Goldsworthy Lowes Dickinson (not Mozart's opera)
- `se clean` seems to add an extra line at the bottom of `local.css`, before the last comment line
- I'm still getting this url: issue with dc:identifier in content.opf, but if I try to fix that, lint goes a bit crazy. I've left it as-is for now. (This must still be a relic of a project straddling the 2.8.0 toolset update).
Thanks for your work on this!
Emma Sweeney
Jul 16, 2025, 6:15:25 PM7/16/25
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Great work! I filed some minor issues in the repository.
Emma
Emma Sweeney
Jul 17, 2025, 2:13:16 PM7/17/25
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Alex, this is ready for you.
Emma
Alex Cabal
Jul 17, 2025, 2:48:12 PM7/17/25
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OK, looks good. I've released it, thanks!
On 7/17/25 1:13 PM, Emma Sweeney wrote:
> Alex, this is ready for you.
>
> Emma
> On Wednesday, July 16, 2025 at 6:15:25 PM UTC-4 Emma Sweeney wrote:
>
> Great work! I filed some minor issues in the repository.
>
> Emma
> On Wednesday, July 16, 2025 at 6:09:04 AM UTC-4 David wrote:
>
> This is all done, and ready for review, Emma: https://
> github.com/dajare/e-m-forster_aspects-of-the-novel <https://
> github.com/dajare/e-m-forster_aspects-of-the-novel>
> * c7/63 : `A.E.` is an "initialism pseudonym/nickname" for
> George William Russell <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> George_William_Russell> (NO SPACE, = initialism!)
> * `Magic Flute` is the book by Goldsworthy Lowes Dickinson
> (not Mozart's opera)
> * `se clean` seems to add an extra line at the bottom of
> <https://groups.google.com/g/standardebooks/c/mSkwItsGJ40/m/
> Lq1_V48ACQAJ> in content.opf, but if I try to fix that, lint
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/
> standardebooks/284f0ff5-07b7-41b7-8820-94d208bf1dc2n%40googlegroups.com?
> utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>.
On 7/17/25 1:13 PM, Emma Sweeney wrote:
> Alex, this is ready for you.
>
> Emma
> On Wednesday, July 16, 2025 at 6:15:25 PM UTC-4 Emma Sweeney wrote:
>
> Great work! I filed some minor issues in the repository.
>
> Emma
> On Wednesday, July 16, 2025 at 6:09:04 AM UTC-4 David wrote:
>
> This is all done, and ready for review, Emma: https://
> github.com/dajare/e-m-forster_aspects-of-the-novel>
>
> A few notes on this one:
>
> * c3/17 : unsemanticated <i>x</i>
> A few notes on this one:
>
> * c7/63 : `A.E.` is an "initialism pseudonym/nickname" for
> George William Russell <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> George_William_Russell> (NO SPACE, = initialism!)
> * `Magic Flute` is the book by Goldsworthy Lowes Dickinson
> (not Mozart's opera)
> * `se clean` seems to add an extra line at the bottom of
> `local.css`, before the last comment line
> * I'm still getting this url: issue with dc:identifier
> <https://groups.google.com/g/standardebooks/c/mSkwItsGJ40/m/
> Lq1_V48ACQAJ> in content.opf, but if I try to fix that, lint
> goes a bit crazy. I've left it as-is for now. (This must
> still be a relic of a project straddling the 2.8.0 toolset
> update).
>
> Thanks for your work on this!
>
> still be a relic of a project straddling the 2.8.0 toolset
> update).
>
> Thanks for your work on this!
>
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Alex Cabal
Jul 17, 2025, 2:48:42 PM7/17/25
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This ebook was produced by David Reimer. Thanks David!
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GitHub URL:
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