[Next Project] Short Fiction, by Edgar Saltus

[Bob Reus]

As I'm wrapping up my current production, it's time to propose a project that I have been planning and preparing for a few months now.

This year I would like to bring all of Edgar Saltus's works of fiction to SE. Some of his works have a PG transcription already, some have not. I have put together a Google Sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10LSEBprE2yN1Mj__ImjqmMKQGZx4bJBBMwiQF0aOEFs/edit?usp=sharing

To start, I would like to work on a collection of Saltus's Short Fiction. As you can see in the Google Sheet, that's 10 works (I've marked them in green), of which four have a transcription on PG, four have been transcribed by me already, and two I'm currently transcribing. Total wordcount would be ~320k.

My intent is to submit my transcriptions to PG while I am working on this project. I have already received copyright clearance on Enthralled and A Transaction in Hearts, and I am currently preparing to submit them to PG.

For the cover I have Fifth Avenue, New York in mind, by Colin Campbell Cooper. Virtually all of Edgar Saltus's stories start out or take place in and around Fifth Avenue, so I can't think of a more suitable cover. I do have a few alternatives, just in case.

PD proof here: https://archive.org/details/artincalifornias00port/page/n256/mode/1up
and the largest picture I can currently find, here: https://image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/weschlers/79/724179/H0143-L290243138_original.JPG

I'm aware that this is a complex production and will likely take a while. But I do have some experience with big productions (I produced Jean-Christophe by Romain Rolland last year), most of the actual transcription work is already done, and my biggest stumbling block, the cover, has been taken care of, so I'm confident that I could bring this to completion.

[Alex Cabal]

OK, sure. Spreadsheet looks good. Please send a link to your repo and
then your manager can go over the artwork with you.

On 5/22/25 5:08 AM, Bob Reus wrote:
> As I'm wrapping up my current production, it's time to propose a project
> that I have been planning and preparing for a few months now.
>
> This year I would like to bring all of Edgar Saltus's works of fiction
> to SE. Some of his works have a PG transcription already, some have not.
> I have put together a Google Sheet: https://docs.google.com/
> spreadsheets/d/10LSEBprE2yN1Mj__ImjqmMKQGZx4bJBBMwiQF0aOEFs/edit?

> usp=sharing <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/
> d/10LSEBprE2yN1Mj__ImjqmMKQGZx4bJBBMwiQF0aOEFs/edit?usp=sharing>

>
> To start, I would like to work on a collection of Saltus's Short
> Fiction. As you can see in the Google Sheet, that's 10 works (I've
> marked them in green), of which four have a transcription on PG, four
> have been transcribed by me already, and two I'm currently transcribing.
> Total wordcount would be ~320k.
>
> My intent is to submit my transcriptions to PG while I am working on

> this project. I have already received copyright clearance on /
> Enthralled/ and /A Transaction in Hearts/, and I am currently preparing

> to submit them to PG.
>

> For the cover I have /Fifth Avenue, New York/ in mind, by Colin Campbell

> Cooper. Virtually all of Edgar Saltus's stories start out or take place
> in and around Fifth Avenue, so I can't think of a more suitable cover. I
> do have a few alternatives, just in case.
>
> PD proof here: https://archive.org/details/artincalifornias00port/page/

> n256/mode/1up <https://archive.org/details/artincalifornias00port/page/
> n256/mode/1up>

> and the largest picture I can currently find, here: https://
> image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/weschlers/79/724179/H0143-

> L290243138_original.JPG <https://image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/
> weschlers/79/724179/H0143-L290243138_original.JPG>

>
> I'm aware that this is a complex production and will likely take a

> while. But I do have some experience with big productions (I produced /
> Jean-Christophe/ by Romain Rolland last year), most of the actual

> transcription work is already done, and my biggest stumbling block, the
> cover, has been taken care of, so I'm confident that I could bring this
> to completion.
>

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[Bob Reus]

Thank you! I've made a start here: https://github.com/bob-reus/edgar-saltus_short-fiction

[Alex Cabal]

OK, David will manage this with Vince reviewing.

On 5/25/25 9:03 PM, Bob Reus wrote:
> Thank you! I've made a start here: https://github.com/bob-reus/edgar-
> saltus_short-fiction
>
> On Friday, May 23, 2025 at 12:06:21 AM UTC+8 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> OK, sure. Spreadsheet looks good. Please send a link to your repo and
> then your manager can go over the artwork with you.
>
> On 5/22/25 5:08 AM, Bob Reus wrote:
> > As I'm wrapping up my current production, it's time to propose a
> project
> > that I have been planning and preparing for a few months now.
> >
> > This year I would like to bring all of Edgar Saltus's works of
> fiction
> > to SE. Some of his works have a PG transcription already, some
> have not.
> > I have put together a Google Sheet: https://docs.google.com/
> <https://docs.google.com/>
> > spreadsheets/d/10LSEBprE2yN1Mj__ImjqmMKQGZx4bJBBMwiQF0aOEFs/edit?

> > usp=sharing <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <https://
> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/>

> > d/10LSEBprE2yN1Mj__ImjqmMKQGZx4bJBBMwiQF0aOEFs/edit?usp=sharing>
> >
> > To start, I would like to work on a collection of Saltus's Short
> > Fiction. As you can see in the Google Sheet, that's 10 works (I've
> > marked them in green), of which four have a transcription on PG,
> four
> > have been transcribed by me already, and two I'm currently
> transcribing.
> > Total wordcount would be ~320k.
> >
> > My intent is to submit my transcriptions to PG while I am working on
> > this project. I have already received copyright clearance on /
> > Enthralled/ and /A Transaction in Hearts/, and I am currently
> preparing
> > to submit them to PG.
> >
> > For the cover I have /Fifth Avenue, New York/ in mind, by Colin
> Campbell
> > Cooper. Virtually all of Edgar Saltus's stories start out or take
> place
> > in and around Fifth Avenue, so I can't think of a more suitable
> cover. I
> > do have a few alternatives, just in case.
> >
> > PD proof here: https://archive.org/details/

> artincalifornias00port/page/ <https://archive.org/details/
> artincalifornias00port/page/>
> > n256/mode/1up <https://archive.org/details/
> artincalifornias00port/page/ <https://archive.org/details/
> artincalifornias00port/page/>

> > n256/mode/1up>
> > and the largest picture I can currently find, here: https://
> > image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/weschlers/79/724179/H0143-

> <http://image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/weschlers/79/724179/H0143->
> > L290243138_original.JPG <https://image.invaluable.com/
> housePhotos/ <https://image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/>

> > weschlers/79/724179/H0143-L290243138_original.JPG>
> >
> > I'm aware that this is a complex production and will likely take a
> > while. But I do have some experience with big productions (I
> produced /
> > Jean-Christophe/ by Romain Rolland last year), most of the actual
> > transcription work is already done, and my biggest stumbling
> block, the
> > cover, has been taken care of, so I'm confident that I could
> bring this
> > to completion.
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[David]

Cover looks good, though I'll be interested to see how you opt to crop it!

I see the original is owned by the Musée d'Orsay; too bad it doesn't have a better image of it.

I've added it to the artworks DB and assigned it.

David / Fife, UK

On Thursday, 22 May 2025 at 11:08:42 UTC+1 Bob Reus wrote:

. . .

[Bob Reus]

This is the crop I had in mind: 

I had hoped to find a higher quality scan in one of the non-PD art books on Archive.org, but alas, all I could find was thumbnail sized.

Previously, I thought that the bibliography I found covered all of Saltus's fiction work, but it turns out there's quite a lot of material only published in periodicals. Quoting from Claire Sprague's Edgar Saltus: 

"The Saltus listing omits the Collier compilations, miscellaneous pieces, and uncollected columns and essays that appeared in periodicals like Once A Week, Collier's, Harper's Bazar, Lippincott's, Puck, Forum, Munsey's, Hearst's, Ainslee's, The Wave, Anti-Philistine, Dress and Vanity Fair, Cosmopolitan, Smart Set, and numerous newspaper articles."

No complete list exists, so I started going over scans of these periodicals and secondary sources to find additional short stories. The work-in-progress can be found on the google sheet I shared, on the sheet "Periodicals". 

Then there's also the Edgar Saltus papers in the Yale University archives, a collection of files donated to the university by his daughter. These are partially digitized, mostly hand-written, but the PD status is unclear. I won't touch them for now. 

All in all, a lot more to research and transcribe than projected. I look forward to discovering all of his work that I wasn't aware of, but I may simultaneously work on a more straightforward production, just to have something to (proof)read in the meantime. 

[David Reimer]

Re: cover - the version in the Artworks DB is better than "thumbnail", I think, and should respond well to up-scaling. Your crop looks good!

That looks to me like fifteen additional stories, with scans for all but one? It will be time-consuming to prepare all those for this edition, but a worthwhile project to have them included. These short-story omnibus projects can be rather large scale!

D.

[Alex Cabal]

Great research. We definitely want everything we can get our hands on
even if it means having to transcribe for this volume.

Note that we want to differentiate between "short fiction" which is this
collection, and other things like nonfiction essays, poetry, etc.

The Edgar Saltus papers are almost certainly not PD so we can't use
those anyway. Just whatever appeared in print periodicals.

On 6/21/25 11:14 PM, Bob Reus wrote:
> This is the crop I had in mind:

> edgar-saltus-short-fiction-small.jpg
> I had hoped to find a higher quality scan in one of the non-PD art books
> on Archive.org, but alas, all I could find was thumbnail sized.
>
> Previously, I thought that the bibliography I found covered all of
> Saltus's fiction work, but it turns out there's quite a lot of material
> only published in periodicals. Quoting from Claire Sprague's Edgar

> Saltus <https://archive.org/details/edgarsaltus0136spra/page/145/mode/1up>:
>
> /"The Saltus listing omits the Collier compilations, miscellaneous

> pieces, and uncollected columns and essays that appeared in periodicals
> like Once A Week, Collier's, Harper's Bazar, Lippincott's, Puck, Forum,
> Munsey's, Hearst's, Ainslee's, The Wave, Anti-Philistine, Dress and

> Vanity Fair, Cosmopolitan, Smart Set, and numerous newspaper articles."/
> /
> /

> No complete list exists, so I started going over scans of these
> periodicals and secondary sources to find additional short stories. The

> work-in-progress can be found on the google sheet I shared, <https://
> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/
> d/10LSEBprE2yN1Mj__ImjqmMKQGZx4bJBBMwiQF0aOEFs/edit?usp=sharing> on the
> sheet "Periodicals".
>
> Then there's also the Edgar Saltus papers <https://archives.yale.edu/
> repositories/11/resources/1580> in the Yale University archives, a

> collection of files donated to the university by his daughter. These are
> partially digitized, mostly hand-written, but the PD status is unclear.
> I won't touch them for now.
>
> All in all, a lot more to research and transcribe than projected. I look
> forward to discovering all of his work that I wasn't aware of, but I may
> simultaneously work on a more straightforward production, just to have
> something to (proof)read in the meantime.
>
>
> On Monday, May 26, 2025 at 4:15:15 PM UTC+8 David wrote:
>
> Cover looks good, though I'll be interested to see how you opt to
> crop it!

> I see the original is owned by the Musée d'Orsay <https://www.musee-
> orsay.fr/en/artworks/fifth-avenue-new-york-16672>; too bad it

> doesn't have a better image of it.

> I've added it to the artworks DB <https://standardebooks.org/
> artworks/colin-campbell-cooper/fifth-avenue-new-york> and assigned it.

>
> David / Fife, UK
>
> On Thursday, 22 May 2025 at 11:08:42 UTC+1 Bob Reus wrote:
>
> . . .
>
>

> For the cover I have /Fifth Avenue, New York/ in mind, by Colin

> Campbell Cooper. Virtually all of Edgar Saltus's stories start
> out or take place in and around Fifth Avenue, so I can't think
> of a more suitable cover. I do have a few alternatives, just in
> case.
>

> PD proof here: https://archive.org/details/
> artincalifornias00port/page/n256/mode/1up <https://archive.org/

> details/artincalifornias00port/page/n256/mode/1up>

> and the largest picture I can currently find, here: https://

> image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/weschlers/79/724179/H0143-
> L290243138_original.JPG <https://image.invaluable.com/
> housePhotos/weschlers/79/724179/H0143-L290243138_original.JPG>

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[Bob Reus]

> That looks to me like fifteen additional stories, with scans for all but one? It will be time-consuming to prepare all those for this edition, but a worthwhile project to have them included. These short-story omnibus projects can be rather large scale!

I believe it's 7 as of right now, after deduplication of stories that have been republished in collections or as novellas. Ropes of Sand is an early version of The Monster, but I don't think it differs enough to warrant inclusion in this collection. I still have 10 periodicals to go over, so this number will likely increase. Time consuming (but rewarding) indeed!

[Bob Reus]

I'm still discovering new stories, though it seems that I'm nearing the end of my search, as I've went over most of the periodicals I mentioned earlier. After deduplicating the stories republished in collections, we're looking at ~17 additional short stories to be transcribed and added.

Now that I have all these stories in front of me, something stands out: Saltus often reused plots, in a way that makes it difficult to determine whether they should be considered rewritten works or completely different stories.

An example: The stories "A Bouquet of Illusions" and "Alma Aldorata" were published in 1901-1902. The setup and plot twist, but not the entire plot, from "A Bouquet of Illusions" was reused in "The Plot" (1913). In "The Ghost Story" (1920), the plot of "Alma Aldorata" was reused. Then came the novel The Ghost Girl (1922), in which Saltus revised and extended "The Ghost Story" to a novel that, in addition to "Alma Aldorata", also used the plot of "A Bouquet of Illusions." 

Are there any guidelines for this? Personally, I'm inclined to leave out the "The Ghost Story", since The Ghost Girl is a superior version of it, and a situation comparable to the example of Frankenstein given in the Collections Policy. As for the others, so far they seem different enough to warrant inclusion. I haven't read all the short stories yet, but I anticipate a couple more situations like this. 

[David Reimer]

Of course it would be good to hear from Alex on this.

My own sense is that you're best placed to make a judgement call on the affected stories. At the least I expect there should be some account of the decisions made in a production note in `content.opf`, possibly also in the long description.

It does present as difficult and potentially confusing. There's likely no hard and fast rule as to what constitutes "duplicate", but perhaps a rough guide might be if the question arises, "Why am I reading this again?!", then we're beyond the pale.

Not sure - just guessing! And we'll see what guidance Alex has.....

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[Alex Cabal]

Having read none of the stories myself, I agree with David's sentiment
that if reading one story elicits a feeling of "wait, haven't I read
this before?" then we should probably exclude it.

Which version to include is probably a matter of editorial taste. I
don't know if any academic opinions exist on this author. If not then
the rule of thumb is to go with the later version unless you feel the
later version is clearly inferior.

If there are just one or two examples then you can list them in the long
description. If there are more than that, then just make a general note
in the long description without listing specifics. Then, in the
production notes, do include all specifics.

You could also include endnotes on the <h#> elements for the kept
stories, with a note saying that this story is a plot duplicate of
such-and-such story which we excluded for that reason.

> Aldorata" was reused. Then came the novel /The Ghost Girl/ (1922),

> in which Saltus revised and extended "The Ghost Story" to a novel

> that, in addition to "Alma Aldorata", /also/ used the plot of "A

> Bouquet of Illusions."
>
> Are there any guidelines for this? Personally, I'm inclined to leave

> out the "The Ghost Story", since /The Ghost Girl /is a superior

> version of it, and a situation comparable to the example of

> Frankenstein given in the Collections Policy <https://
> standardebooks.org/contribute/collections-policy>. As for the

> others, so far they seem different enough to warrant inclusion. I
> haven't read all the short stories yet, but I anticipate a couple
> more situations like this.
>
>
> On Monday, June 23, 2025 at 10:08:09 AM UTC+8 Bob Reus wrote:
>
> > That looks to me like fifteen additional stories, with scans
> for all but one? It will be time-consuming to prepare all those
> for this edition, but a worthwhile project to have them
> included. These short-story omnibus projects can be rather large
> scale!
>
> I believe it's 7 as of right now, after deduplication of stories
> that have been republished in collections or as novellas. Ropes

> of Sand is an early version of The Monster <https://
> standardebooks.org/ebooks/edgar-saltus/the-monster>, but I don't

> think it differs enough to warrant inclusion in this collection.
> I still have 10 periodicals to go over, so this number will
> likely increase. Time consuming (but rewarding) indeed!
>
> On Sunday, June 22, 2025 at 4:15:24 PM UTC+8 David wrote:
>
> Re: cover - the version in the Artworks DB is better than
> "thumbnail", I think, and should respond well to up-scaling.
> Your crop looks good!
>
> That looks to me like fifteen additional stories, with scans
> for all but one? It will be time-consuming to prepare all
> those for this edition, but a worthwhile project to have
> them included. These short-story omnibus projects can be
> rather large scale!
>
> D.
>
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2025 at 05:14, Bob Reus wrote:
>
> This is the crop I had in mind:

> edgar-saltus-short-fiction-small.jpg
> I had hoped to find a higher quality scan in one of the
> non-PD art books on Archive.org, but alas, all I could
> find was thumbnail sized.
>
> Previously, I thought that the bibliography I found
> covered all of Saltus's fiction work, but it turns out
> there's quite a lot of material only published in
> periodicals. Quoting from Claire Sprague's Edgar Saltus

> <https://archive.org/details/edgarsaltus0136spra/
> page/145/mode/1up>:
>
> /"The Saltus listing omits the Collier compilations,

> miscellaneous pieces, and uncollected columns and essays
> that appeared in periodicals like Once A Week,
> Collier's, Harper's Bazar, Lippincott's, Puck, Forum,
> Munsey's, Hearst's, Ainslee's, The Wave, Anti-
> Philistine, Dress and Vanity Fair, Cosmopolitan, Smart

> Set, and numerous newspaper articles."/
> /
> /

> No complete list exists, so I started going over scans
> of these periodicals and secondary sources to find
> additional short stories. The work-in-progress can be

> found on the google sheet I shared, <https://
> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/
> d/10LSEBprE2yN1Mj__ImjqmMKQGZx4bJBBMwiQF0aOEFs/edit?
> usp=sharing> on the sheet "Periodicals".
>
> Then there's also the Edgar Saltus papers <https://
> archives.yale.edu/repositories/11/resources/1580> in the

> Yale University archives, a collection of files donated
> to the university by his daughter. These are partially
> digitized, mostly hand-written, but the PD status is
> unclear. I won't touch them for now.
>
> All in all, a lot more to research and transcribe than
> projected. I look forward to discovering all of his work
> that I wasn't aware of, but I may simultaneously work on
> a more straightforward production, just to have
> something to (proof)read in the meantime.
>
>
> On Monday, May 26, 2025 at 4:15:15 PM UTC+8 David wrote:
>
> Cover looks good, though I'll be interested to see
> how you opt to crop it!
> I see the original is owned by the Musée d'Orsay

> <https://www.musee-orsay.fr/en/artworks/fifth-
> avenue-new-york-16672>; too bad it doesn't have a
> better image of it.
> I've added it to the artworks DB <https://
> standardebooks.org/artworks/colin-campbell-cooper/
> fifth-avenue-new-york> and assigned it.

>
> David / Fife, UK
>
> On Thursday, 22 May 2025 at 11:08:42 UTC+1 Bob Reus
> wrote:
>
> . . .
>

> For the cover I have /Fifth Avenue, New York/ in

> mind, by Colin Campbell Cooper. Virtually all of
> Edgar Saltus's stories start out or take place
> in and around Fifth Avenue, so I can't think of
> a more suitable cover. I do have a few
> alternatives, just in case.
>

> PD proof here: https://archive.org/details/
> artincalifornias00port/page/n256/mode/1up
> <https://archive.org/details/

> artincalifornias00port/page/n256/mode/1up>

> and the largest picture I can currently find,
> here: https://image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/
> weschlers/79/724179/H0143-

> L290243138_original.JPG <https://
> image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/
> weschlers/79/724179/H0143-L290243138_original.JPG>

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[Bob Reus]

It's been a while, so I thought I'd give an update on this. 

I made a new tab/sheet "SE: Short Fiction" in the Google Sheet which lists all eglible short works in the order of initial publication. At this point, I believe that my search has been exhaustive enough that it's unlikely any more short stories will show up. There is one story, "The Terrible Wedding", which is mentioned in Clair Sprague's biography, which I haven't been able to find anywhere. I haven't completely stopped browsing the archives, as I kind of enjoy the process, so it may turn up at a later date.

On the topic of plot duplicates, there have been interesting choices to make: some easy, some difficult, and some I'm still not sure of. 

• The plots of "A Bouquet of Illusions" and "Alma Aldorata" have been reused in The Ghost Girl, which is also a novel length reworking of "The Ghost Story". I intend to produce this novel later on, so these stories will be left out. 
• "The Princess of the Golden Isles," "The Collapsible Husband," and "The Golden Chimera" are essentially the same. Of these three, I like "The Golden Chimera" the best, but it does reuse a pun from a "The Bomb" which could invoke a "Have I read this before" feeling. Both stories have a character exclaim "sic transit gloria Bundy" in reference to a character named Bundy, as a sort of punch line. I'm not sure if this should influence my decision or warrant an endnote.
• The novella-length story "The Imposter" is a reworking of Enthralled. This was a tough one. "The Imposter" does feel like an improvement and I was inclined to include it over Enthralled. But then I read this about Enthralled in Sprague's biography:
  
  "The novel may well represent Saltus as mocker and exorciser of his own commitment to fin de siècle modes. It is unusually bad unless it is accepted as comic exaggeration. Saltus may well have laughed as he concocted and launchied this conglomoration of pseudo-characters and pseudo-events. He certainly spends a great deal of ludicrously loving time on the precise, literal details of Quain's metamorphosis [...] in a parody of sensational journalism and advertising promises. It remains, nonetheless, difficult to know whether the novel has a comic purpose."
  
  Also interesting to note is that Sprague divides her chapter on Saltus's fiction into three subchapters: "Novels: 1887-1895", "Enthralled", and "The Later Novels (1895-1922)", which indicates that she considers it a relevant work. So, I reluctantly decided to include Enthralled over "The Imposter", though my ideal option would be to include both with an editorial endnote. 
• Finally, "The Goblin Girl" is a plot duplicate of the earlier published "The Princess of the Sun". There's no obvious choice here, as they're both good in their own right: "The Goblin Girl" reads as a conventional magazine story, while "The Princess of the Sun" feels more like a decadent vignette. I fear I'll have to flip a coin to decide here. 

So, there's just a couple more choices left to make, and then I can finally start producing the actual ebook.

[David Reimer]

That's an impressive depth of research, Bob! It will be good to have
Alex's sense for these tricky cases, but your reasoning makes sense to
me. There's a story in our Trollope collection ("The Gentle Euphemia")
which is widely regarded as simply a joke, and some editions omit it.
But that story doesn't have the complication you've got with these
Saltus efforts of being quasi-duplicated. Tough calls!

Great to see this moving forward, though.

[Alex Cabal]

Great research Bob. How did you determine that these plots were the
same, did you read them all?

On 8/29/25 11:15 PM, Bob Reus wrote:
> It's been a while, so I thought I'd give an update on this.
>

> I made a new tab/sheet "SE: Short Fiction" in the Google Sheet <https://
> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/
> d/10LSEBprE2yN1Mj__ImjqmMKQGZx4bJBBMwiQF0aOEFs/edit?
> gid=2116978644#gid=2116978644> which lists all eglible short works in

> the order of initial publication. At this point, I believe that my
> search has been exhaustive enough that it's unlikely any more short
> stories will show up. There is one story, "The Terrible Wedding", which
> is mentioned in Clair Sprague's biography, which I haven't been able to
> find anywhere. I haven't completely stopped browsing the archives, as I
> kind of enjoy the process, so it may turn up at a later date.
>
> On the topic of plot duplicates, there have been interesting choices to
> make: some easy, some difficult, and some I'm still not sure of.
>

> * The plots of "A Bouquet of Illusions" and "Alma Aldorata" have been
> reused in /The Ghost Girl,/ which is also a novel length reworking

> of "The Ghost Story". I intend to produce this novel later on, so
> these stories will be left out.

> * "The Princess of the Golden Isles," "The Collapsible Husband," and

> "The Golden Chimera" are essentially the same. Of these three, I
> like "The Golden Chimera" the best, but it does reuse a pun from a
> "The Bomb" which could invoke a "Have I read this before" feeling.

> Both stories have a character exclaim "/sic transit gloria
> Bundy"/ in reference to a character named Bundy, as a sort of punch

> line. I'm not sure if this should influence my decision or warrant
> an endnote.

> * The novella-length story "The Imposter" is a reworking of /
> Enthralled. /This was a tough one. "The Imposter" does feel like an
> improvement and I was inclined to include it over /Enthralled/. But
> then I read this about /Enthralled/ in Sprague's biography:
>
> /"The novel may well represent Saltus as mocker and exorciser of his

> own commitment to fin de siècle modes. It is unusually bad unless it
> is accepted as comic exaggeration. Saltus may well have laughed as
> he concocted and launchied this conglomoration of pseudo-characters
> and pseudo-events. He certainly spends a great deal of ludicrously
> loving time on the precise, literal details of Quain's metamorphosis
> [...] in a parody of sensational journalism and advertising
> promises. It remains, nonetheless, difficult to know whether the
> novel has a comic purpose."
>

> /Also interesting to note is that Sprague divides her chapter on

> Saltus's fiction into three subchapters: "Novels: 1887-1895",
> "Enthralled", and "The Later Novels (1895-1922)", which indicates
> that she considers it a relevant work. So, I reluctantly decided to

> include /Enthralled/ over "The Imposter", though my ideal option

> would be to include both with an editorial endnote.

> * Finally, "The Goblin Girl" is a plot duplicate of the earlier

> > standardebooks.org/contribute/collections-policy <http://

> standardebooks.org/contribute/collections-policy>>. As for the
> > others, so far they seem different enough to warrant inclusion. I
> > haven't read all the short stories yet, but I anticipate a couple
> > more situations like this.
> >
> >
> > On Monday, June 23, 2025 at 10:08:09 AM UTC+8 Bob Reus wrote:
> >
> > > That looks to me like fifteen additional stories, with scans
> > for all but one? It will be time-consuming to prepare all those
> > for this edition, but a worthwhile project to have them
> > included. These short-story omnibus projects can be rather large
> > scale!
> >
> > I believe it's 7 as of right now, after deduplication of stories
> > that have been republished in collections or as novellas. Ropes
> > of Sand is an early version of The Monster <https://

> > standardebooks.org/ebooks/edgar-saltus/the-monster <http://

> standardebooks.org/ebooks/edgar-saltus/the-monster>>, but I don't
> > think it differs enough to warrant inclusion in this collection.
> > I still have 10 periodicals to go over, so this number will
> > likely increase. Time consuming (but rewarding) indeed!
> >
> > On Sunday, June 22, 2025 at 4:15:24 PM UTC+8 David wrote:
> >
> > Re: cover - the version in the Artworks DB is better than
> > "thumbnail", I think, and should respond well to up-scaling.
> > Your crop looks good!
> >
> > That looks to me like fifteen additional stories, with scans
> > for all but one? It will be time-consuming to prepare all
> > those for this edition, but a worthwhile project to have
> > them included. These short-story omnibus projects can be
> > rather large scale!
> >
> > D.
> >
> > On Sun, 22 Jun 2025 at 05:14, Bob Reus wrote:
> >
> > This is the crop I had in mind:
> > edgar-saltus-short-fiction-small.jpg
> > I had hoped to find a higher quality scan in one of the
> > non-PD art books on Archive.org, but alas, all I could
> > find was thumbnail sized.
> >
> > Previously, I thought that the bibliography I found
> > covered all of Saltus's fiction work, but it turns out
> > there's quite a lot of material only published in
> > periodicals. Quoting from Claire Sprague's Edgar Saltus

> > <https://archive.org/details/edgarsaltus0136spra/ <https://
> archive.org/details/edgarsaltus0136spra/>

> > page/145/mode/1up>:
> >
> > /"The Saltus listing omits the Collier compilations,
> > miscellaneous pieces, and uncollected columns and essays
> > that appeared in periodicals like Once A Week,
> > Collier's, Harper's Bazar, Lippincott's, Puck, Forum,
> > Munsey's, Hearst's, Ainslee's, The Wave, Anti-
> > Philistine, Dress and Vanity Fair, Cosmopolitan, Smart
> > Set, and numerous newspaper articles."/
> > /
> > /
> > No complete list exists, so I started going over scans
> > of these periodicals and secondary sources to find
> > additional short stories. The work-in-progress can be
> > found on the google sheet I shared, <https://

> > docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/>

> > d/10LSEBprE2yN1Mj__ImjqmMKQGZx4bJBBMwiQF0aOEFs/edit?
> > usp=sharing> on the sheet "Periodicals".
> >
> > Then there's also the Edgar Saltus papers <https://

> > archives.yale.edu/repositories/11/resources/1580 <http://

> archives.yale.edu/repositories/11/resources/1580>> in the
> > Yale University archives, a collection of files donated
> > to the university by his daughter. These are partially
> > digitized, mostly hand-written, but the PD status is
> > unclear. I won't touch them for now.
> >
> > All in all, a lot more to research and transcribe than
> > projected. I look forward to discovering all of his work
> > that I wasn't aware of, but I may simultaneously work on
> > a more straightforward production, just to have
> > something to (proof)read in the meantime.
> >
> >
> > On Monday, May 26, 2025 at 4:15:15 PM UTC+8 David wrote:
> >
> > Cover looks good, though I'll be interested to see
> > how you opt to crop it!
> > I see the original is owned by the Musée d'Orsay

> > <https://www.musee-orsay.fr/en/artworks/fifth- <https://
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> > avenue-new-york-16672>; too bad it doesn't have a
> > better image of it.
> > I've added it to the artworks DB <https://

> > standardebooks.org/artworks/colin-campbell-cooper/ <http://

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> > fifth-avenue-new-york> and assigned it.
> >
> > David / Fife, UK
> >
> > On Thursday, 22 May 2025 at 11:08:42 UTC+1 Bob Reus
> > wrote:
> >
> > . . .
> >
> > For the cover I have /Fifth Avenue, New York/ in
> > mind, by Colin Campbell Cooper. Virtually all of
> > Edgar Saltus's stories start out or take place
> > in and around Fifth Avenue, so I can't think of
> > a more suitable cover. I do have a few
> > alternatives, just in case.
> >

> > PD proof here: https://archive.org/details/ <https://archive.org/
> details/>
> > artincalifornias00port/page/n256/mode/1up
> > <https://archive.org/details/ <https://archive.org/details/>

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> > and the largest picture I can currently find,

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[Bob Reus]

Thank you both! Yes, I've read and transcribed everything that didn't have a PG transcription. That leaves Eden, A Transient Guest, Mary Magdalen and The Pace That Kills, but I don't expect those to have any duplicates. 

[Alex Cabal]

OK, so reading through this it looks like this will be a compilation
flavored much more by editorial taste than our usual compilations.

I haven't read any of them. Your analysis looks sound, so I'll leave it
to you to decide which ones to include and which to exclude.

For The Imposter, it sounds like Sprague is just speculating. She could
just as well be wrong as she is right. In the absence of any real
evidence I'd just pick the on you think is actually better.

My previous notes stand:

- Mention these cuts and *broadly* why in the long description. No need
to get into specifics here, just say that some were cut for being
duplicates.

- Mention exact details of what was excluded and why in the metadata
production notes, so future producers and editors know exactly what you
did and why.

- Include an endnote on each <h2> to let the reader know that
such-and-such stories are duplicates of this one and were excluded.

On 9/2/25 8:05 AM, Bob Reus wrote:
> Thank you both! Yes, I've read and transcribed everything that didn't
> have a PG transcription. That leaves Eden, A Transient Guest, Mary
> Magdalen and The Pace That Kills, but I don't expect those to have any
> duplicates.
>
> On Tuesday, September 2, 2025 at 3:49:01 AM UTC+8 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> Great research Bob. How did you determine that these plots were the
> same, did you read them all?
>
> On 8/29/25 11:15 PM, Bob Reus wrote:
> > It's been a while, so I thought I'd give an update on this.
> >
> > I made a new tab/sheet "SE: Short Fiction" in the Google Sheet
> <https://

> > docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/>

> standardebooks.org/contribute/collections-policy> <http://

> > standardebooks.org/contribute/collections-policy <http://
> standardebooks.org/contribute/collections-policy>>>. As for the
> > > others, so far they seem different enough to warrant inclusion. I
> > > haven't read all the short stories yet, but I anticipate a couple
> > > more situations like this.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Monday, June 23, 2025 at 10:08:09 AM UTC+8 Bob Reus wrote:
> > >
> > > > That looks to me like fifteen additional stories, with scans
> > > for all but one? It will be time-consuming to prepare all those
> > > for this edition, but a worthwhile project to have them
> > > included. These short-story omnibus projects can be rather large
> > > scale!
> > >
> > > I believe it's 7 as of right now, after deduplication of stories
> > > that have been republished in collections or as novellas. Ropes
> > > of Sand is an early version of The Monster <https://
> > > standardebooks.org/ebooks/edgar-saltus/the-monster <http://

> standardebooks.org/ebooks/edgar-saltus/the-monster> <http://

> archive.org/details/edgarsaltus0136spra/> <https://
> > archive.org/details/edgarsaltus0136spra/ <http://archive.org/

> details/edgarsaltus0136spra/>>
> > > page/145/mode/1up>:
> > >
> > > /"The Saltus listing omits the Collier compilations,
> > > miscellaneous pieces, and uncollected columns and essays
> > > that appeared in periodicals like Once A Week,
> > > Collier's, Harper's Bazar, Lippincott's, Puck, Forum,
> > > Munsey's, Hearst's, Ainslee's, The Wave, Anti-
> > > Philistine, Dress and Vanity Fair, Cosmopolitan, Smart
> > > Set, and numerous newspaper articles."/
> > > /
> > > /
> > > No complete list exists, so I started going over scans
> > > of these periodicals and secondary sources to find
> > > additional short stories. The work-in-progress can be
> > > found on the google sheet I shared, <https://
> > > docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://docs.google.com/

> spreadsheets/> <http://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://

> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/>>
> > > d/10LSEBprE2yN1Mj__ImjqmMKQGZx4bJBBMwiQF0aOEFs/edit?
> > > usp=sharing> on the sheet "Periodicals".
> > >
> > > Then there's also the Edgar Saltus papers <https://
> > > archives.yale.edu/repositories/11/resources/1580 <http://

> archives.yale.edu/repositories/11/resources/1580> <http://

> > archives.yale.edu/repositories/11/resources/1580 <http://
> archives.yale.edu/repositories/11/resources/1580>>> in the
> > > Yale University archives, a collection of files donated
> > > to the university by his daughter. These are partially
> > > digitized, mostly hand-written, but the PD status is
> > > unclear. I won't touch them for now.
> > >
> > > All in all, a lot more to research and transcribe than
> > > projected. I look forward to discovering all of his work
> > > that I wasn't aware of, but I may simultaneously work on
> > > a more straightforward production, just to have
> > > something to (proof)read in the meantime.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Monday, May 26, 2025 at 4:15:15 PM UTC+8 David wrote:
> > >
> > > Cover looks good, though I'll be interested to see
> > > how you opt to crop it!
> > > I see the original is owned by the Musée d'Orsay
> > > <https://www.musee-orsay.fr/en/artworks/fifth- <https://

> www.musee-orsay.fr/en/artworks/fifth-> <https://
> > www.musee-orsay.fr/en/artworks/fifth- <http://www.musee-orsay.fr/

> en/artworks/fifth->>
> > > avenue-new-york-16672>; too bad it doesn't have a
> > > better image of it.
> > > I've added it to the artworks DB <https://
> > > standardebooks.org/artworks/colin-campbell-cooper/ <http://

> standardebooks.org/artworks/colin-campbell-cooper/> <http://

> > standardebooks.org/artworks/colin-campbell-cooper/ <http://
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> > > fifth-avenue-new-york> and assigned it.
> > >
> > > David / Fife, UK
> > >
> > > On Thursday, 22 May 2025 at 11:08:42 UTC+1 Bob Reus
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > . . .
> > >
> > > For the cover I have /Fifth Avenue, New York/ in
> > > mind, by Colin Campbell Cooper. Virtually all of
> > > Edgar Saltus's stories start out or take place
> > > in and around Fifth Avenue, so I can't think of
> > > a more suitable cover. I do have a few
> > > alternatives, just in case.
> > >
> > > PD proof here: https://archive.org/details/ <https://

> archive.org/details/> <https://archive.org/ <https://archive.org/>

> > details/>
> > > artincalifornias00port/page/n256/mode/1up
> > > <https://archive.org/details/ <https://archive.org/details/>
> <https://archive.org/details/ <https://archive.org/details/>>
> > > artincalifornias00port/page/n256/mode/1up>
> > > and the largest picture I can currently find,
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