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Lan Wang

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Feb 20, 2022, 12:26:40 AMFeb 20
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Hi Alex and team

I'm back after a break and am interested now in working on Dombey and Son, if that suits and no one else has put their hand up.

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Cheers, Lan

Alex Cabal

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Sure, go for it!
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Lan Wang

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Hi Alex

The version of the book (1921) that I'd like to use includes quite a nice (but quite long) chronology of Dicken's life (set up in table format: year, age, life, literary context, historical events) at the beginning of the book, which isn't included in the Gutenberg version. Should I add it? Not too much typing is involved but it would make a rather large table and perhaps be a bit unwieldy. In the printed book, the age and life info is presented on separate pages from the literary/historical info.

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Lan Wang

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Thanks Alex.

I hope I've found a good cover for Dombey and Son. It's St Paul's from the River Thames, 1877, by Henry Dawson, housed at the Birmingham Museums, CC0

Fortunately, the Birmingham gallery produced an 1892 catalogue (https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008692728) that includes an image the work (the reproduction is terrible, but I'm pretty sure it's not a sketch or engraving, but an actual reproduction):

Let me know what you think.

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David Grigg

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Feb 26, 2022, 2:09:14 AMFeb 26
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The gallery has declared it CC0, so that’s PD proof in itself, so you should be good to go. Alex has the final say, of course, but it’s a good pic.
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Alex Cabal

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Feb 26, 2022, 12:14:07 PMFeb 26
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That works, thanks!

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Lan Wang

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Feb 27, 2022, 2:06:21 AMFeb 27
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Another question: the version of Dombey and Son transcribed by Gutenberg appears to have been from a proof of the book rather than the final published version (not sure how that happened!). I realised this belatedly as the last paras didn't match what was in the printed version (I've checked several different editions and they all end the same way - differently from the Gutenberg version). One of the annotated published versions (Penguin) actually notes that those last paras were removed from the final pre-press version. Now that I've delved further into the text, there are numerous such differences between the Gutenberg and printed versions - whole paras and sequences have been removed in the printed versions.

I'm more than happy to keep going correcting these (I've already done a lot of the se work on this version). It's not difficult as I'm already going to have to proof it carefully anyway. However, I'm wondering if a note should be made of these differences somewhere in the EPUB? It's a shame that the Gutenberg version is so different as I can see that people have been using it to quote from (including the omitted paras!) And I don't want people to think that the SE version is wrong. Also, presumably Gutenberg should be notified of this?

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Alex Cabal

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Feb 28, 2022, 3:46:39 PMFeb 28
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It's not uncommon for Dickens to have differing editions. Are you
positive that it's from a proof? I don't know how a proof could be
actually published and in enough numbers for PG to easily find a copy.
Maybe they assembled it from the serialization, which may have been
different than the single-volume novel edition?

Whatever the case we should generally do what the latest novel version
does. Presumably that one was revised by Dickens after early editions to
whatever form he thought best. You can mention this in the long
description as it's interesting to a reader. You may also make a note in
the production-notes saying that we differ significantly from the PG
transcription which was used as a base.

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Lan Wang

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Feb 28, 2022, 8:13:28 PMFeb 28
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Hi Alex

According to the Penguin 2002 edition, "Dickens cancelled the following at proof-stage:" But as you say, it would have been serialised originally and so when they say "proof-stage", they probably are talking about the serialised parts being put together for publication in a single volume. Anyway, I've checked several versions of printed books (from the first edition to recent ones in the 2000s) and they all lack the same sections compared to the Gutenberg version. PG must have used the serialised version I guess.

Anyway, as you suggest, I'll add in a note in the long description and production notes.

Thanks
Cheers, Lan

Lan Wang

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May 14, 2022, 11:54:20 PMMay 14
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Hi Alex and team

I've completed the proofing of Dombey and Son and have updated all the required files as usual. However, I have one remaining error from se lint that I can't seem to solve. It says that I have double spaces in Chapter 56 (but unfortunately doesn't tell me where they are). I've tried using Find to locate two normal spaces, two nbsp, and nbsp followed and preceded by a normal space, and can't find anything, so I'm stumped. Do you have any suggestions?

Everything else has passed through fine, so I'm keen to get this last bit done so I can finish this one!

Thanks
Cheers, Lan

Weijia Cheng

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May 15, 2022, 12:14:48 AMMay 15
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The regex for the double space check is "[{se.NO_BREAK_SPACE}{se.HAIR_SPACE} ]{{2,}}". It looks like since you tried normal space and nbsp, it might be a hair space causing the double-space.

Lan Wang

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May 15, 2022, 1:42:35 AMMay 15
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Thanks so much! That worked!

Cheers, Lan

Lan Wang

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May 15, 2022, 2:22:44 AMMay 15
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Hi all

I've finished preparing Dombey and Son. It all appears to be OK at my end. I hope it is at yours too!

Thanks
Cheers, Lan

Alex Cabal

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May 15, 2022, 12:39:37 PMMay 15
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Jason, would you like to review this?

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Alex Cabal

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Do you have a link to your repo?

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> I've finished preparing Dombey and Son. It all appears to be OK at my
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> Thanks
> Cheers, Lan
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Jason DeCock

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May 15, 2022, 7:26:35 PMMay 15
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Sure, I'll take a look. Lan, can you post the link to the repository?

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Lan Wang

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The repository is at: https://github.com/alphgal/charles-dickens_dombey-and-son

Thanks!

Cheers, Lan

Jason DeCock

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May 15, 2022, 9:44:23 PMMay 15
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So I see that you started the project back in February, but in the meantime there's been some updates to the toolset. Can you please make sure that you're using the latest version (step #1 - https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-by-step) and rerun:
  • se semanticate .
  • se modernize-spelling .
  • se build-toc .
  • se build-images .
I see a bunch of changes when I run them. Some of the changes made by semanticate and modernize-spelling probably shouldn't be made, but I do see at least a few valid changes mixed in. Remember to include the "[Editorial]" tag on any changes made by modernize-spelling. Once you get those changes made, I'll take a closer look. Thanks!

Lan Wang

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OK. Thanks Jason. I’ll let you know when I’ve done it.

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Lan Wang

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Hi Jason

OK. I've updated all those bits. Most of the modernize changes were not correct, but it did pick up a few issues.

I ran se lint again and it came up clean.

Hope it's all OK now.

Thanks

Cheers, Lan

Jason DeCock

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Great. I'll take another look.

Jason DeCock

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I added some issues for you to take a look at. There's a typographic, semantic, and modernization changes that still need to be made, but the biggest pain is going to be the two commits that have both editorial and non-editorial changes mixed together. You'll need to do a rebase to split those out and properly tag them.

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Often that seems to happen for me when there's a HTML element followed by a space and preceded by a space. 

regex searching for " <.+> " sometimes can help depending on which regex your editor uses

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Jason DeCock

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Alex, would you mind chiming in on the issue thread: https://github.com/alphgal/charles-dickens_dombey-and-son/issues/1

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Lan, are you making progress on this?
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Lan Wang

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Hi Alex

As I mentioned before, I’m on holiday until the end of the month so won’t be able to do anya out this until I get back.

Cheers, Lan

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