[Next project] Interim by Dorothy Richardson

[Ray Ryan]

For my next project I'm thinking of taking on https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/dorothy-m-richardson/interim, with an eye toward having it ready by May to keep up with https://readingpilgrimage.com/the-2026-pilgrimage-reading-group/. 

PG: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/57395

IA: https://archive.org/details/interimpilgrimag57395gut

[Alex Cabal]

OK, please send a link to your repo once you start!

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[Ray Ryan]

Here's the repo, nothing there yet: https://github.com/rjrjr/dorothy-m-richardson_interim

Corrected IA link: https://archive.org/details/interim0000doro

[Ray Ryan]

I can't find any transcriber credit on the PG site, and neither can create-draft. Are we missing something?

[Vince Rice]

You didn’t miss anything; this has been a problem for a while. I reported it last year, and they were working on it, but obviously some still haven’t been fixed. You can look at the “old” files see if they have anything, and in this case they do.

On Apr 12, 2026, at 10:24 AM, Ray Ryan <ray....@gmail.com> wrote:

I can't find any transcriber credit on the PG site, and neither can create-draft. Are we missing something?

[Alex Cabal]

OK, Weijia will manage with Vince reviewing.

On 4/12/26 10:17 AM, Ray Ryan wrote:
> Here's the repo, nothing there yet: https://github.com/rjrjr/dorothy-m-
> richardson_interim
>
> Corrected IA link: https://archive.org/details/interim0000doro
>
> On Monday, April 6, 2026 at 8:22:28 PM UTC-4 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> OK, please send a link to your repo once you start!
>
> On 4/6/26 3:37 PM, Ray Ryan wrote:
> > For my next project I'm thinking of taking on https://

> > standardebooks.org/ebooks/dorothy-m-richardson/interim <http://
> standardebooks.org/ebooks/dorothy-m-richardson/interim>, with an eye

> > toward having it ready by May to keep up with https://

> > readingpilgrimage.com/the-2026-pilgrimage-reading-group/ <http://
> readingpilgrimage.com/the-2026-pilgrimage-reading-group/>.
> >
> > PG: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/57395 <https://
> www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/57395>
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[Weijia Cheng]

Ok, noted!

[Ray Ryan]

Hi Weija! 👋🏻

The transcriber(s) left a helpful note documenting all the typos they fixed, e.g.:

… was no need to have brought in home. It was⁠ ⁠… 

corrected to 

… was no need to have brought it home. It was⁠ ⁠…

(in > it). They even left helpful invisible marker elements in the text for each one, e.g. <a id="corr-6"/>, which of course upset lint.

It seems like I should do something to preserve this information. I thought maybe the commit that removes all those corr-# elements could be marked "[Editorial]", and the commit message could include all the text from the transcribers note (attached). WDYT?

I sure don't want to reproduce all the 100 year old typos and then delete them again.

[Alex Cabal]

You don't have to do any of that, PG itself is the record of those changes.

[Weijia Cheng]

Yes, if the transcription already made editorial changes that we would have made ourselves, we don't need to redo them.

[Ray Ryan]

Linting now. I'm getting error t-033 / Space after dash for what looks to me like a legitimate choice, the ser-m- in this block. Is it okay to list non-warnings in the lint ignore file? Bear in mind that one of Richardson's hallmarks in these books is experimental punctuation.

[Weijia Cheng]

If you think it's an intentional choice, you can add it to se-lint-ignore.xml.

[Ray Ryan]

Later in the book Richardson makes a lot of use of double spacing between paragraphs to separate thoughts, caught by lint. Normally we would use <hr/> in such spaces, but I think that would be a mistake here, much too visually intrusive compared to the effect she intended. My inclination is to allow these via se-lint-ignore. Doing so will keep us consistent with both the Oxford edition and the recent Libroj edition.

For example, the attached page would require three <hr/> elements, a drastic change from the original and from our contemporaries.

[Alex Cabal]

We should use hr here because in print, if one of those big breaks
coincidentally occurred at a page break, then the printer would put a
series of asterisks there to indicate to the reader that the thought
break occurred at the page break.

But in ebooks, we have no mechanism to do that in that conditional way,
therefore we always require an hr with a line to account for the
possibility that the hr occurs at a page break in the ereader.

On 4/20/26 3:37 PM, Ray Ryan wrote:
> Later in the book Richardson makes a lot of use of double spacing
> between paragraphs to separate thoughts, caught by lint. Normally we
> would use <hr/> in such spaces, but I think that would be a mistake
> here, much too visually intrusive compared to the effect she intended.
> My inclination is to allow these via se-lint-ignore. Doing so will keep
> us consistent with both the Oxford edition and the recent Libroj edition.
>
> For example, the attached page would require three <hr/> elements, a
> drastic change from the original and from our contemporaries.
>
> On Monday, April 20, 2026 at 9:43:18 AM UTC-7 weij...@bu.edu wrote:
>
> If you think it's an intentional choice, you can add it to se-lint-
> ignore.xml.
>
> On Monday, April 20, 2026 at 12:25:20 PM UTC-4 ray....@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Linting now. I'm getting error t-033 / Space after dash for what

> looks to me like a legitimate choice, the /ser-m-/ in this

> details/interim0000doro <https://
> archive.org/details/interim0000doro>

> >
> > On Monday, April 6, 2026 at 8:22:28 PM
> UTC-4 Alex Cabal wrote:
> >
> > OK, please send a link to your repo once
> you start!
> >
> > On 4/6/26 3:37 PM, Ray Ryan wrote:
> > > For my next project I'm thinking of
> taking on https://
> > > standardebooks.org/ebooks/dorothy-m-
> richardson/interim <http://
> standardebooks.org/ebooks/dorothy-m-

> richardson/interim> <http://
> > standardebooks.org/ebooks/dorothy-m-
> richardson/interim <http://
> standardebooks.org/ebooks/dorothy-m-

> richardson/interim>>, with an eye
> > > toward having it ready by May to keep
> up with https://
> > > readingpilgrimage.com/the-2026-
> pilgrimage-reading-group/ <http://
> readingpilgrimage.com/the-2026-pilgrimage-

> reading-group/> <http://
> > readingpilgrimage.com/the-2026-
> pilgrimage-reading-group/ <http://
> readingpilgrimage.com/the-2026-pilgrimage-
> reading-group/>>.
> > >
> > > PG: https://www.gutenberg.org/
> ebooks/57395 <https://www.gutenberg.org/
> ebooks/57395> <https://
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[Ray Ryan]

The initial pass is done, se lint and se clean are both happy (barring missing cover, summary, etc.), and I've begun proofreading. 

If you'd like to take a quick peek Weija, I've pushed to https://github.com/rjrjr/dorothy-m-richardson_interim.

[Ray Ryan]

Alex, I might as well use this thread to bring up a general issue with the preceding SE volumes of the Pilgrimage series. Richardson's books are divided into numbered subchapters and also sub-subchapters,  the latter via double spacing between paragraphs. In Interim I've preserved the numbering and, as we just discussed, am delineating the sub-subchapters via <hr/> elements. 

In the three earlier books you all decided to drop the numbers and use <hr/> for both subchapters and sub-subchapters, erasing a distinction that was clearly important to the author. Here's an example from The Tunnel, where Chapter I Section 3 has a subdivision in the original:

In the SE text, the important distinction between numbered section and subsection is lost:

When I'm done with Interim I'd like to circle back and restore the numbered sections to the earlier volumes. 

(While it is true that Richardson herself went back and removed the numbering in later reprints, that is not the text we are working from—it's not like the SE editions adopt every other editorial change the author made to her older works in later decades, and nor should they. It is also inconsistent with the choices made by Oxford, Liproj, and every other contemporary edition I am aware of, which has been a source of frustration when discussion the works with readers of the others.)

[Alex Cabal]

We went with that choice exactly because as you mention, she did it
herself in later editions. SE editions are not trying to preserve any
particular exact print edition, rather we are creating new editions that
occasionally make editorial decisions like this one. The print editions
we use are guides for typo checks, etc. but not a slavish source of
pixel-accurate truth.

On 4/21/26 3:23 PM, Ray Ryan wrote:
> Alex, I might as well use this thread to bring up a general issue with
> the preceding SE volumes of the Pilgrimage series. Richardson's books
> are divided into numbered subchapters and also sub-subchapters,  the
> latter via double spacing between paragraphs. In Interim I've preserved
> the numbering and, as we just discussed, am delineating the sub-
> subchapters via <hr/> elements.
>
> In the three earlier books you all decided to drop the numbers and use
> <hr/> for both subchapters and sub-subchapters, erasing a distinction
> that was clearly important to the author. Here's an example from The

> Tunnel <https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/dorothy-m-richardson/the-
> tunnel>, where Chapter I Section 3 has a subdivision in the original:

>
> Screenshot 2026-04-21 at 1.11.13 PM.png
>
> In the SE text, the important distinction between numbered section and
> subsection is lost:
>

> Screenshot 2026-04-21 at 1.12.28 PM.png
>
> When I'm done with Interim I'd like to circle back and restore the
> numbered sections to the earlier volumes.
>
> (While it is true that Richardson herself went back and removed the
> numbering in later reprints, that is not the text we are working from

> <https://archive.org/details/tunneltu00richrich/>—it's not like the SE

> editions adopt every other editorial change the author made to her older
> works in later decades, and nor should they. It is also inconsistent
> with the choices made by Oxford, Liproj, and every other contemporary
> edition I am aware of, which has been a source of frustration when
> discussion the works with readers of the others.)
>
>
> On Monday, April 20, 2026 at 2:44:32 PM UTC-7 Ray Ryan wrote:
>
> The initial pass is done, se lint and se clean are both happy
> (barring missing cover, summary, etc.), and I've begun proofreading.
>
> If you'd like to take a quick peek Weija, I've pushed to https://

> github.com/rjrjr/dorothy-m-richardson_interim <https://github.com/
> rjrjr/dorothy-m-richardson_interim>.

> > <https://github.com/rjrjr/dorothy-m- <https://github.com/
> rjrjr/dorothy-m->>
> > > richardson_interim
> > >
> > > Corrected IA link: https://archive.org/ <https://archive.org/>
> > details/interim0000doro <https://
> > archive.org/details/interim0000doro <http://archive.org/

> details/interim0000doro>>
> > >
> > > On Monday, April 6, 2026 at 8:22:28 PM
> > UTC-4 Alex Cabal wrote:
> > >
> > > OK, please send a link to your repo once
> > you start!
> > >
> > > On 4/6/26 3:37 PM, Ray Ryan wrote:
> > > > For my next project I'm thinking of
> > taking on https://

> > > > standardebooks.org/ebooks/dorothy-m- <http://
> standardebooks.org/ebooks/dorothy-m->
> > richardson/interim <http://
> > standardebooks.org/ebooks/dorothy-m- <http://
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> > richardson/interim <http://
> > standardebooks.org/ebooks/dorothy-m- <http://

> standardebooks.org/ebooks/dorothy-m->
> > richardson/interim>>, with an eye
> > > > toward having it ready by May to keep
> > up with https://

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[Ray Ryan]

In light of the inconsistency with recent scholarly editions, is that a decision you're willing to revisit (especially with a volunteer on hand willing to do the work)? My impression is that she made these changes less because her vision had changed and more at the urging of a publisher trying to make them more accessible.

It also seems inconsistent to have followed the later text on subdivisions but the earlier text WRT the number of periods in ellipses, something else she made more conventional in the 1935 edition. 

Here is a discussion of the various editions.

[Alex Cabal]

I think the mailing list has already hashed it out about Dorothy
Richardson in earlier discussions and I'm not especially keen on
re-litigating it.

I understand she had what some might consider a unique prose style but
as I think I've stated elsewhere, I don't think something as mundane as
omitting what would otherwise be routine "invisible" commas, or adding
an extra period to ellipses, while everything else is more or less
conventional, is "prose style" in any meaningful sense.

No reader is counting the number of periods in an ellipses, it's either
"about the usual", i.e. 3 or 4, or "clearly very long for special
emphasis" like 5+. 99% of the time the exact number is meaningless and
it's just one of those two cases.

(In the general case, the number of periods in an ellipses is also
something that changes very often with different publishers across
different editions of different books. This is a common problem when
comparing page scans of different editions of any given book.)

Re. numbers vs. spaces, later editions don't have numbers, and unless
there's some correspondence of hers we can point to, we must assume
that's what was ultimately intended since they were published in her
lifetime. This has also already been litigated on the list somewhere.

I don't remember exactly where the producer of The Tunnel found a later
edition to compare it to, I can't find scans anywhere and this was
produced a long time ago so I can't remember. I doubt he would have
removed the thought break you pointed out on purpose, so perhaps it was
removed on accident, or was removed in later editions. That would be
worth looking up.

On 4/21/26 3:52 PM, Ray Ryan wrote:
> In light of the inconsistency with recent scholarly editions, is that a
> decision you're willing to revisit (especially with a volunteer on hand
> willing to do the work)? My impression is that she made these changes
> less because her vision had changed and more at the urging of a
> publisher trying to make them more accessible.
>
> It also seems inconsistent to have followed the later text on
> subdivisions but the earlier text WRT the number of periods in ellipses,
> something else she made more conventional in the 1935 edition.
>

> Here <https://readingpilgrimage.com/editions-of-pilgrimage/> is a

> the- <https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/dorothy-m-richardson/the->

> > tunnel>, where Chapter I Section 3 has a subdivision in the
> original:
> >
> > Screenshot 2026-04-21 at 1.11.13 PM.png
> >
> > In the SE text, the important distinction between numbered
> section and
> > subsection is lost:
> >
> > Screenshot 2026-04-21 at 1.12.28 PM.png
> >
> > When I'm done with Interim I'd like to circle back and restore the
> > numbered sections to the earlier volumes.
> >
> > (While it is true that Richardson herself went back and removed the
> > numbering in later reprints, that is not the text we are working
> from

> > <https://archive.org/details/tunneltu00richrich/ <https://

> archive.org/details/tunneltu00richrich/>>—it's not like the SE
> > editions adopt every other editorial change the author made to
> her older
> > works in later decades, and nor should they. It is also inconsistent
> > with the choices made by Oxford, Liproj, and every other
> contemporary
> > edition I am aware of, which has been a source of frustration when
> > discussion the works with readers of the others.)
> >
> >
> > On Monday, April 20, 2026 at 2:44:32 PM UTC-7 Ray Ryan wrote:
> >
> > The initial pass is done, se lint and se clean are both happy
> > (barring missing cover, summary, etc.), and I've begun proofreading.
> >
> > If you'd like to take a quick peek Weija, I've pushed to https://

> > github.com/rjrjr/dorothy-m-richardson_interim <http://github.com/
> rjrjr/dorothy-m-richardson_interim> <https://github.com/ <https://
> github.com/>

> dorothy-m-> <https://github.com/ <https://github.com/>

> > rjrjr/dorothy-m->
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> dorothy-m-> <https://github.com/ <https://github.com/>

> > rjrjr/dorothy-m->>
> > > > richardson_interim
> > > >
> > > > Corrected IA link: https://archive.org/ <https://archive.org/
> > <https://archive.org/ <https://archive.org/>>
> > > details/interim0000doro <https://
> > > archive.org/details/interim0000doro <http://archive.org/

> details/interim0000doro> <http://archive.org/ <http://archive.org/>

> > details/interim0000doro>>
> > > >
> > > > On Monday, April 6, 2026 at 8:22:28 PM
> > > UTC-4 Alex Cabal wrote:
> > > >
> > > > OK, please send a link to your repo once
> > > you start!
> > > >
> > > > On 4/6/26 3:37 PM, Ray Ryan wrote:
> > > > > For my next project I'm thinking of
> > > taking on https://
> > > > > standardebooks.org/ebooks/dorothy-m- <http://

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> > standardebooks.org/ebooks/dorothy-m- <http://standardebooks.org/
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> > standardebooks.org/ebooks/dorothy-m- <http://standardebooks.org/
> ebooks/dorothy-m->>
> > > richardson/interim>>, with an eye
> > > > > toward having it ready by May to keep
> > > up with https://
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[Ray Ryan]

I'm pretty sure that whatever later editions you looked at at the time are out of print, and unlikely to be revived. Meanwhile all editions currently in publication, produced in collaboration with the rights holders of the books that are still under copyright, have reached a consensus to restore the original subchapters and punctuation choices. The folks who reached that consensus are deeply invested in preserving her legacy.

So we're finding ourselves in a world where of all readily accessible versions of these books—Oxford, Libproj, IA, PG, SE—SE is the outlier, the only one that abandons the early experimentation of the editions that originally established her.

Whatever we decide here I'm pretty invested in bringing the rest of the Pilgrimage books that are in the public domain to SE. That will be much more satisfying work if I can do so in a way that is more consistent with the mainstream that has emerged. 

> unless there's some correspondence of hers we can point to, we must assume
that's what was ultimately intended since they were published in her
lifetime.

Does this help? https://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid:30eec29c-c8de-4b06-bedb-0be45207bb57/files/mf6f400e6255912dfdbc1586dbef3f6ee. 

> This has also already been litigated on the list somewhere.

Would it be better if I were to find and respond to the original discussion with the link above?

A few passages that jump out at me from that article:

> The manuscript of Pointed Roofs shows the signifying potential Richardson saw in the division and subdivision of her work. At one point, for example, the manuscript registers Richardson’s change of heart related to the placement of Chapter V: the header for this chapter is inserted in place of the marking for a section break. At the top of the same page Richardson writes then crosses out: Break up More sections. Throughout the manuscript, section numbers are changed and new breaks inserted in the margin. The manuscripts of Dawn’s Left Hand and Dimple Hill show a similar concern with the narrative’s internal organisation.

> although there is evidence that Richardson was not happy with the first editions – which she felt were full of errors, particularly in the punctuation – as we have seen, her letters show that she was also unhappy with the 1938 edition, so its authority as the ‘consecrated’ text of the first twelve volumes of Pilgrimage remains in doubt. It makes more sense for her editors to view Richardson as an experimental writer, whose method changed as Pilgrimage progressed. By imposing a degree of consistency on the published volumes, the 1938 edition suppresses the long process of experiment that extends from 1915 up until the surviving manuscript of Dimple Hill and then continued into the composition of the unfinished thirteenth volume, March Moonlight. Neither the first editions nor the 1938 edition are finished texts, but, in our judgement, the first editions better show the history of Pilgrimage’s development as an experimental narrative.

> Interim in particular looks, therefore, like an unruly text: so much so, that even in its first edition it cannot help but register the beginnings of a process of correction. However, a recent archival discovery, found during work on the new Oxford editions of Richardson’s work, offers a powerful counter-view. Mepham and Thomson were unaware of a series of instructions that Richardson sent to the Little Review regarding the presentation of dialogue and her unconventional use of commas in Interim. Titled ‘Memorandum for printer’s reader’, Richardson dictates the following: 

> 

>> Please leave all dialogue as it is in the typescript i.e. sometimes as part of the text, sometimes between “dashes” & occasionally spaced out with (or without) inverted commas. 

>>

>> Please adhere most carefully to the punctuation, particularly safeguarding the sometimes unconventional presence, & absence of the comma.

[Alex Cabal]

Sorry for the delay.

Re. edited editions, IA and PG are not making editorial choices here. IA
merely hosts page scans, and PG merely transcribed an early edition. I
don't know what Libproj is and Google turns up nothing. The only ones
here making an editorial choice are SE and Oxford.

I continue to stand by what I've said earlier, which is that I don't
think her choices to have minor differences with what is otherwise
considered run-of-the-mill grammatical ("invisible") punctuation is a
prose style in any meaningful sense, especially since she essentially
drops these "experiments" in (AFAIK) all later books in the series, and
her other punctuation is entirely conventional.

I *could* be convinced about chapter numbers in The Tunnel, however your
article does not convince me. Again, *the latest edition published in
her lifetime* is without numbers. Therefore she seemed to be OK with it.

You link to an article written by some English majors justifying their
degrees by creating straw men that they can point to declare that, well
*really* Richardson wanted it some *other* way, despite the print
editions she herself oversaw. That doesn't convince me - it's pure
conjecture. In fact, the article stresses that Richardson was deeply
involved in all stages of the editorial process, down to hand-correcting
printer's proofs! How could that mean anything *except* that she got
what she wanted in print?

Furthermore, the article stresses that Richardson was constantly
experimenting *and changing her mind*. If she's constantly changing her
mind, across books and across editions, then can it ever be said that
she *really* intended *anything*? If she had lived 10 years longer,
who's to say that she wouldn't have changed her mind *again*? Is it
*really* a legitimate argument to, as this article does, point to a
single letter she wrote to a magazine asking to preserve her
punctuation, and then claim that this position is her one true intention
for all space and time? What if she *just changed her mind after she
wrote that letter?*

Lastly, I disagree with the article's implied thesis that an author's
early manuscript draft is the ultimate "true artistic vision". A book is
the product of both an author *and* an editor (and sometimes even a
printer!). Digging up a handwritten draft and declaring it as the One
True Vision is a slight to the work of an editor and a misunderstanding
of how an artistic vision not only develops over time, but is tempered
by editorial input regardless of what was originally written.

Contrast this to, say, Joyce, her modernist contemporary, who famously
wrote *reams* of correspondence justifying his exact punctuation usage,
spelling, experimentalism, etc. There *was* an "actually correct"
edition of Ulysses (and Finnegans Wake) he had in mind, and any
deviations in print were (understandable) printer's errors. He famously
said "I can justify every line of my book [Finnegans Wake]." He spent
the rest of his life correcting those printer's errors to achieve his
Platonic Ideal editions - *not* waffling back and forth about
punctuation style writ large, or something as fundamental as chapter
numbers.

That's the last I want to write about Richardson. These and future books
in the series should be based on the last editions published in her
lifetime. I roundly disagree with this article, and I think it's wishful
thinking to impose their vision of what they *wish* Richardson wanted,
in the face of what she *actually revised and printed herself.*

> archive.org/details/tunneltu00richrich/> <https://
> > archive.org/details/tunneltu00richrich/ <http://archive.org/

> details/tunneltu00richrich/>>>—it's not like the SE
> > > editions adopt every other editorial change the author made to
> > her older
> > > works in later decades, and nor should they. It is also
> inconsistent
> > > with the choices made by Oxford, Liproj, and every other
> > contemporary
> > > edition I am aware of, which has been a source of frustration when
> > > discussion the works with readers of the others.)
> > >
> > >
> > > On Monday, April 20, 2026 at 2:44:32 PM UTC-7 Ray Ryan wrote:
> > >
> > > The initial pass is done, se lint and se clean are both happy
> > > (barring missing cover, summary, etc.), and I've begun
> proofreading.
> > >
> > > If you'd like to take a quick peek Weija, I've pushed to https://
> > > github.com/rjrjr/dorothy-m-richardson_interim <http://

> github.com/rjrjr/dorothy-m-richardson_interim> <http://github.com/

> <http://github.com/>
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> > > > UTC-4 Alex Cabal wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > OK, please send a link to your repo once
> > > > you start!
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/6/26 3:37 PM, Ray Ryan wrote:
> > > > > > For my next project I'm thinking of
> > > > taking on https://
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