Lud-in-the-Mist by Hope Mirrlees

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Jason DeCock

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Jan 4, 2022, 3:10:53 PMJan 4
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Now that it's in the public domain, I would like to do Lud-in-the-Mist by Hope Mirrlees. I found scans of it on the Internet Archive, but haven't had any luck finding a transcription. Does anyone have any idea where to find it or is it just a matter of waiting for now?

Vince

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Jan 4, 2022, 3:41:35 PMJan 4
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If the usual places don’t have it (PG, PG AU, Faded Page, Wikisource), then you can suggest it to PGDP, but as noted recently on a different book, that could take a while (months/years).

Jason DeCock

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Jan 4, 2022, 3:51:31 PMJan 4
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Thanks. I checked those places, so I'll suggest it to PG and keep an eye out.

Alex Cabal

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A transcription may take quite some time, the first edition appears to
be quite rare. ($3,000 at Abebooks.)
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Jason DeCock

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This just popped up on PG. I'd like to work on this next. The only problem I see, though, is that I can't find scans from 1926, but the scan on archive.org shows a copyright date of 1926. Does that work?

Alex Cabal

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Yes, that copyright page is acceptable. We wanted to do this earlier in
the year but scans weren't available yet (and maybe there was no
transcription either?)
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Jason DeCock

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Jason DeCock

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The scans include both a dedication and an epigraph that is not in the transcription. Should I add those?

Also, the transcription includes a song at the end of the book following the conclusion that isn't in the scans. Should that be included?

Alex Cabal

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May 14, 2022, 4:07:04 PMMay 14
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On 5/13/22 5:37 PM, Jason DeCock wrote:
> The scans include both a dedication and an epigraph that is not in the
> transcription. Should I add those?

Yes, you can add those

>
> Also, the transcription includes a song at the end of the book following
> the conclusion that isn't in the scans. Should that be included?

I suppose you can cut it if it's not in the scans

Jason DeCock

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May 15, 2022, 7:25:31 PMMay 15
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> > Also, the transcription includes a song at the end of the book following
> > the conclusion that isn't in the scans. Should that be included?
>
> I suppose you can cut it if it's not in the scans

I'm just starting a proofread, but it appears to be the complete version of a song that has partial lyrics quoted throughout the book. The book the original transcription was from probably included it. I'll leave it up to you since I can see a case for it either way.

Jason DeCock

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May 22, 2022, 9:05:39 PMMay 22
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For the cover I'd like to use "The Wealth of Autumn" by Andrew John Henry Way: https://www.si.edu/object/wealth-autumn:saam_1984.47

The book is about trying to uncover who is smuggling fairy fruit into the city and the fruit on the dark sky is the best representation of this that I can find.

cover.jpeg

Alex Cabal

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May 22, 2022, 11:20:54 PMMay 22
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OK, thanks!

On 5/22/22 8:05 PM, Jason DeCock wrote:
> For the cover I'd like to use "The Wealth of Autumn" by Andrew John
> Henry Way: https://www.si.edu/object/wealth-autumn:saam_1984.47
>
> The book is about trying to uncover who is smuggling fairy fruit into
> the city and the fruit on the dark sky is the best representation of
> this that I can find.
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> cover.jpeg
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> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 5:25:31 PM UTC-6 Jason DeCock wrote:
>
> >> Also, the transcription includes a song at the end of the book
> following
> > > the conclusion that isn't in the scans. Should that be included?
> >
> > I suppose you can cut it if it's not in the scans
>
> I'm just starting a proofread, but it appears to be the complete
> version of a song that has partial lyrics quoted throughout the
> book. The book the original transcription was from probably included
> it. I'll leave it up to you since I can see a case for it either way.
>
> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 2:07:04 PM UTC-6 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
>
> On 5/13/22 5:37 PM, Jason DeCock wrote:
> > The scans include both a dedication and an epigraph that is
> not in the
> > transcription. Should I add those?
>
> Yes, you can add those
>
> >
> > Also, the transcription includes a song at the end of the
> book following
> > the conclusion that isn't in the scans. Should that be included?
>
> I suppose you can cut it if it's not in the scans
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Jason DeCock

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May 23, 2022, 2:02:29 AMMay 23
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I've got a couple of words I was wondering about modernizing:
  • "paroquet" to "parakeet"
    By seven o’clock the Chanticleers’ parlour was filled with a crowd of stout, rosy, gaily-dressed guests, chattering and laughing like a flock of paroquets.
  • "spinnage" to "spinach"
    “Gammon and spinnage!” cried the Doctor, testily

François Grandjean

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May 23, 2022, 9:27:42 AMMay 23
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I remember that Vince had a similar question about paroquet in The Count of Monte Cristo. I’ve checked the book and it was left untouched.

Vince Rice

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May 23, 2022, 11:02:23 AMMay 23
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Goof memory, François, but then you did all the research. :)

I was coming to reply with the same thing before I saw your reply, but I just reviewed the thread, and the last thing Alex said was, “No, we can stick with the translation and modernize the spelling.” So I should have modernized it and didn’t. Oops! Must have been distracted by the heraldic language discussion. :)

I think you’re good modernizing it, Jason, Alex will have to address the other one. I’ll submit a PR for Monte Cristo.

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I remember that Vince had a similar question about paroquet in The Count of Monte Cristo. I’ve checked the book and it was left untouched.
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Jason DeCock

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May 23, 2022, 1:18:58 PMMay 23
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The same phrase of "gammon and spinnage"  is also used in the SE version of David Copperfield

Alex Cabal

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Thanks, I'll update those

On 5/23/22 12:18 PM, Jason DeCock wrote:
> The same phrase of "gammon and spinnage"  is also used in the SE version
> of /David Copperfield/
> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 9:02:23 AM UTC-6 Vince Rice wrote:
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> Goof memory, François, but then you did all the research. :)
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> I was coming to reply with the same thing before I saw your reply,
> but I just reviewed the thread, and the last thing Alex said was,
> “No, we can stick with the translation and modernize the spelling.”
> So I should have modernized it and didn’t. Oops! Must have been
> distracted by the heraldic language discussion. :)
>
> I think you’re good modernizing it, Jason, Alex will have to address
> the other one. I’ll submit a PR for /Monte Cristo/.
>
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>> I remember that Vince had a similar question about paroquet in
>> /The Count of Monte Cristo/. I’ve checked the book and it was left
>> untouched.
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>> On Monday, 23 May 2022 at 01:02:29 UTC-5 jde...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> I've got a couple of words I was wondering about modernizing:
>>
>> * "paroquet" to "parakeet"
>> /By seven o’clock the Chanticleers’ parlour was filled
>> with a crowd of stout, rosy, gaily-dressed guests,
>> chattering and laughing like a flock of paroquets. /
>> * "spinnage" to "spinach"
>> /“Gammon and spinnage!” cried the Doctor, testily /
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Alex Cabal

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You can update paroquet. It looks fairly common so I'll add it to
modernize-spelling too.

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> I've got a couple of words I was wondering about modernizing:
>
> * "paroquet" to "parakeet"
> /By seven o’clock the Chanticleers’ parlour was filled with a crowd
> of stout, rosy, gaily-dressed guests, chattering and laughing like a
> flock of paroquets. /
> * "spinnage" to "spinach"
> /“Gammon and spinnage!” cried the Doctor, testily /
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Jason DeCock

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Two things to note: I wasn't able to find any Library of Congress subject headings for this book. I also wasn't able to find a LOC entry for the artist.

Alex Cabal

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Jason DeCock

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I just wanted to check to see if this was on the radar. I haven't heard anything yet.

Robin Whittleton

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I’ll review this today.

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I just wanted to check to see if this was on the radar. I haven't heard anything yet.
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Robin Whittleton

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Excellent production. I’ve left 3 small issues to fix on Github. Also, we’ve recently added riband/ribband to be modernised to ribbon, but I don’t think that’s made it into a production release of the tools yet. Both of the spelling variants exist in this book, so you should probably manually make that update.

-Robin

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Jason DeCock

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Thanks Robin. I've got those changes made.

Robin Whittleton

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Looks good! This is ready for you Alex.

Alex Cabal

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Excellent work Jason, thanks. I've gone ahead and released it!

Note that when modernizing spelling, the script changed a character's
name from Pease -> Peas. We should reject this change since it's a
proper name.

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Is that a correct change even when it’s not a name? I’m from Northern England, and pease as in “pease pudding hot, pease pudding cold” is a distinct dish from peas.
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Glad to see this one appearing. I think I suggested doing it a few years ago and was stymied by its questionable copyright status.

How did you arrive at a decision about where to place the line breaks in the first chapter? It seems like every edition I've read, including yours, the one on PG, and the ones being printed today, all have different opinions on which ones are meant to be there.

Jason DeCock

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I used the ones in the scan I found: https://archive.org/details/ludinthemist00mirr_0

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Those make as much sense as any!
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