[Next Project] Poetry by Taras Shevchenko

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Weijia Cheng

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My next project will be a compilation of poetry by Taras Shevchenko, the Ukrainian national poet.

I created a spreadsheet to track what translations are available in the public domain. This will mostly be based on A. J. Hunter's translation which was just released to PG recently.

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Bruce, can you manage this project with Robin reviewing?

Cover looks good, thanks!

On 7/24/22 7:57 AM, Weijia Cheng wrote:
> My next project will be a compilation of poetry by Taras Shevchenko, the
> Ukrainian national poet.
>
> I created a spreadsheet
> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xiWF5My5kCQJXrZ3NNYyUNMEMdZOQuKo-J5LGS_bVJE/edit?usp=sharing>
> to track what translations are available in the public domain. This will
> mostly be based on A. J. Hunter's translation which was just released to
> PG recently.
>
> For the cover I suggest Repin's portrait of Shevchenko
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> (proof on the front cover of this book
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Robin Whittleton

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Happy to review.

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B Keith

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Sure thing.
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Weijia Cheng

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How does 1.1.2 work when you have multiple kinds of English within the same file? As a poetry collection, we would expect all of the poems to be in a single poetry.xhtml file. But the translators are a mix of Canadians and Brits (with the Canadians providing the largest part of the translation). Do I just put "en-CA" in the second line and forget about it, or should I mark the poems translated by Brits as "en-GB" (I assume with xml:lang on the article level)?

Alex Cabal

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I would just make the top level language the one that is predominant. I
don't think it's really necessary to specify sub-types of English for
specific poems.

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B Keith

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Jul 26, 2022, 12:45:17 PMJul 26
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And. in most cases, en-CA is identical to en-GB :-)
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Weijia Cheng

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If a foreign-language word is being used as a proper name in the context of a poem, does it need to be italicized or should it have a span? Here are some examples:

"So the Kobzar played and sang / Of many an old old story; ..."

"Kobzar" is a Ukrainian word referring to a specific kind of musician, but here it's referring to a particular character.

"The Tchumak is coming from beyond Lyman, / With another’s possessions, with no luck of his own."

"Tchumak" is a kind of wandering merchant, but here it's referring to one particular merchant.

"Grow tall, Topolia, / Reach higher, higher!"

"Topolia" literally means "poplar" in Ukrainian but here it's being used as a proper name for a particular poplar being addressed in the poem.

B Keith

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I believe just a span would be more appropriate in this case. There’s no special reason to signal the “foreignness” of the word. What’s in the scans?

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Matt Chan

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Alex has said in the past that proper nouns never get xml:lang attributes though? 

Weijia Cheng

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Just span is also consistent with the scans here, too.

Alex Cabal

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Is it a proper name, or a title? The two are not the same. Is it like
saying "So the Captain played and sang..." because that's a title and
not a name. So you'll have to decide.

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> If a foreign-language word is being used as a proper name in the context
> of a poem, does it need to be italicized or should it have a span? Here
> are some examples:
>
> "So the *Kobzar* played and sang / Of many an old old story; ..."
>
> "Kobzar" is a Ukrainian word referring to a specific kind of musician,
> but here it's referring to a particular character.
>
> "The *Tchumak* is coming from beyond Lyman, / With another’s
> possessions, with no luck of his own."
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> "Tchumak" is a kind of wandering merchant, but here it's referring to
> one particular merchant.
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> "Grow tall, *Topolia*, / Reach higher, higher!"
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Matt Chan

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So I guess my confusion comes from:
8.2.9.2

Non-English words that are proper names, or are in proper names, are not italicized, unless the name itself would be italicized according to the rules for italicizing or quoting names and titles. If words in the name might be mispronounced in English pronunciation, they are wrapped in a <span xml:lang="LANGUAGE"> element to assist screen readers with pronunciation. Most proper names of people or places do not require this, but occasionally there may be some that do.

Which I guess gets me a little confused from a previous email from Alex that said:

Proper names never get language attributes. That rule applies more to
place names and book titles that are actually a language, like a street
called "place de l'hotel"…

Maybe we can clarify this in the manual?

Matt Chan

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Hi Alex, I just wanted to circle back to my question here. Is this an appropriate question to ask? Or has it been answered before either on the mailing list or am I missing something already outlined in the manual?

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Well my answer is still the same - Is it a proper name, or a title? The
two are not the same. Is it like saying "So the Captain played and
sang..." because that's a title and not a name. So you'll have to
decide. Emphasis on *you*. :)
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But the manual seems to imply that sometimes proper names of people and places do get xml:lang attribute? And it doesn't mention titles? 

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B Keith

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What part is unclear?

Proper names are not italicized.
If a mispronunciation is likely the wrap the  word/phrase in a span

There’s a building in Montreal called Place des Arts (pronounced in the french manner). So it should not get an <i> but get a <span xml:lang=“fr”>

Versailles on the other had doesn't’ need the <i> or the <span>.

At least that’s the way I look at it.

Matt Chan

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In a previous email Alex seems to have said that proper names never gets the xml:lang attribute, span or otherwise, hence my confusion:

Proper names never get language attributes. That rule applies more to
place names and book titles that are actually a language, like a street
called "place de l'hotel"…

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I don't think it says anything like that. The part you quoted says
"Non-English words that are proper names, or are in proper names, are
not italicized" and it also says "Most proper names of people or places
do not require [xml:lang attrs]."

I don't see how it's at all possible to interpret that as "sometimes
proper names might be italicized" or "it is common for proper names to
have an xml:lang attr."

But really, the question I am posing to you is: Are you *really sure*
that the word you're point to is a *proper name*? Are you *totally
certain* that it's not a title, like Captain?

The manual does not mention titles, but it also doesn't mention a lot of
other things. It *does* mention proper names. Work backwards from what
it *does* mention.

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> decide. Emphasis on *you*. :)
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I'm very sorry let me clarify my confusion, and I promise I'm not intentionally trying to be obtuse: My confusion isn't on italicization, but if we should put xml:lang attribute (in a span, in this case) for proper names, in the manual, it says generally it is not needed, but we can put it (i.e. it is allowed) if we think it might be mispronounced on a screen reader if the language isn't specified, but in a previous email when I asked this question, the answer was that proper names never gets language attribute (the confusion I have here isn't with italicization, but on the language attribute), which seems to imply that language attribute isn't allowed for proper names. So I'm just trying to reconcile that.

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FYI, what I actually ended up deciding is that "Kobzar" is not a proper name here (it's just a title) but "Topolia" is, so the former was italicized and the latter marked with a span.

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You can add <span xml:lang> if it's likely that a screen reader would
mispronounce the word given the default document language. The example
in the manual is a street in Paris named "Place de Clichy" because a
screen reader reading en-US would pronounce it "PLAYS" but the real and
correct French pronunciation is "PLAHSS". That is the case in which you
would add xml:lang - to prevent mispronunciation of confusable proper names.
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Got it, so we are allowed to add the language attribute in a span for proper nouns if and only if we think there would be screen reader confusion without the specification. Otherwise, proper names never get the language attribute, even in a span. Thanks for clarifying! And sorry again for my lengthy questions...

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Great, I’ll look at this over the weekend.

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Looks good, just a few spelling mistakes and suggested tweaks: https://github.com/weijia-cheng/taras-shevchenko_poetry/issues/1

-Robin

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Thanks Robin! These should all be taken care of.

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Great, over to you then Alex.

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Great, I've gone ahead and released it. Thanks!

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