Anne of Green Gables

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devon....@shopify.com

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https://github.com/meunierd/l-m-montgomery_anne-of-green-gables

I'm up to step 16 of the guide right now and I figured it was a good time to get some eyes on it just to make sure I'm not barking up the wrong tree. Feedback is much appreciated!

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Hi there, looks like a good start.  Make sure to do `git pull` on the toolset and review the new install instructions in the readme, as much has changed since you started production.

I see there are some <pre> tags from the PG transcription that have to be replaced.  Usually those are better off as <blockquote> with poetry or verse styling if appropriate.

Run the `lint` tool in the toolset and it'll output some more things for you to correct.  Note that since you started, we've updated some of the template files like core.css and LICENSE.md, you can just copy those into your repo from ./tools/templates

We've also lowercased UTF-8 but that should be a simple one-ff project-wide find-and-replace on your end.

Let me know when you've ready to do cover art research!


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Devon Meunier

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I'm dusting this off this production after (looks at the calendar) two years!

At the time I'd run into a wall looking for cover art, and then I had a child so the time for anything like this evaporated.

Anyways, I've run `se lint .` against the project and I've cleared up most of it. While I'm chipping away at the more stubborn ones, I was wondering what you thought of this for the cover image: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Millais_farmers-daughter.jpg



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Hi there, looks like a good start.  Make sure to do `git pull` on the toolset and review the new install instructions in the readme, as much has changed since you started production.

I see there are some <pre> tags from the PG transcription that have to be replaced.  Usually those are better off as <blockquote> with poetry or verse styling if appropriate.

Run the `lint` tool in the toolset and it'll output some more things for you to correct.  Note that since you started, we've updated some of the template files like core.css and LICENSE.md, you can just copy those into your repo from ./tools/templates

We've also lowercased UTF-8 but that should be a simple one-ff project-wide find-and-replace on your end.

Let me know when you've ready to do cover art research!

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Vaish S

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That picture looks both too old and too sad to be Anne :). Are any of the Jodie Lee illustrations free for use? Those are perfect. But something more along those lines would be great. Especially for Green Gables, where Anne is, what, 12/13? Ideally a redhead in pigtails, wearing an overallish smock.

Devon Meunier

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To be fair, she's college age by the end of the book.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/sofi01/15001726265 this is probably the closest I can find: Girl With Pigtails by Samuel Henry William Llewellyn

Vaish S

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Sixteen, right? That picture still feels too old to me :)

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I think either of those would probably work. However, you have to find
public domain proof of them before we can use them. See the art manual
for details: https://standardebooks.org/contribute/art

A lot has changed in 2 years. Make sure you install the SE tools using
pip and that you're using the latest version of the tools, 1.0.17.

You'll need to pull new template files too, and adjust content.opf to
conform to epub 3.2. There's an email on the mailing list from me, sent
a few months ago, that describes what's needed in the change of epub
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Also ensure you have the latest version of epubcheck (not necessarily
the one in your package manager) and that `se build --check` passes.

If everything is in order please send me a link to your Github repo
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I've got epubcheck and se lint passing, and what I believe to be a public domain cover. The only issue I'm having is that the titlepage doesn't seem to build correctly on my macbook. I have the relevant fonts installed, so perhaps it's a limitation of inkscape on mac. I've pushed up all my changes.

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Did you clear the cover art with us before committing it, per the step
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OK, you're going to have to find PD proof for that one. See our art
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Apologies for the double post but I might want to reserve that first image for the second book in favour of this one with a younger girl

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OK perfect, thanks. You can go ahead and commit that, build the cover
and titlepage, and let me know when you've completed the cover to cover
proofread and have everything ready for review.
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Devon,

I spent a little bit of time looking at Anne of Green Gables because I'd assumed you'd abandonned it. Here are a couple more CC0 paintings that I came across that reminded me of Prince Edward Island that might be appropriate for one of the books. I especially like the first one because it has a lobster in it. :-)

Devon Meunier

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Thank you, Dave! I might not use it for this one but perhaps for later Avonlea books!

Alex,

Proofreading is coming along and while a lot of the changes I've pushed up are straightforward, I'd be curious as to your thoughts on L. M. Montgomery's use of semicolons. For example:

> Marilla said nothing to Matthew about the affair that evening; but when Anne proved still refractory the next morning an explanation had to be made to account for her absence from the breakfast table.

You'll also see things like:

> No; you don’t want your room cluttered up with flowers.

In both cases I'd want commas, that said I checked a more recent edition and the semicolons are still there.

A less sticky one: Sunday-school is hyphenated, should that be rendered "Sunday school"?

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Don't change that kind of thing, that is prose style, not something we
want to mess with. Did you make any other changes like that?

You can leave Sunday-school as is. In general leave hyphens as-is unless
a tool changes them or they're in that specific list of ones to change
in the step by step guide.

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> Thank you, Dave! I might not use it for this one but perhaps for later
> Avonlea books!
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> Alex,
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> Proofreading is coming along and while a lot of the changes I've pushed
> up are straightforward, I'd be curious as to your thoughts on L. M.
> Montgomery's use of semicolons. For example:
>
>> Marilla said nothing to Matthew about the affair that evening; but
> when Anne proved still refractory the next morning an explanation had to
> be made to account for her absence from the breakfast table.
>
> You'll also see things like:
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>> No; you don’t want your room cluttered up with flowers.
>
> In both cases I'd want commas, that said I checked a more recent edition
> and the semicolons are still there.
>
> A less sticky one: Sunday-school is hyphenated, should that be rendered
> "Sunday school"?
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> Devon,
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> I spent a little bit of time looking at Anne of Green Gables because
> I'd assumed you'd abandonned it. Here are a couple more CC0
> paintings that I came across that reminded me of Prince Edward
> Island that might be appropriate for one of the books. I especially
> like the first one because it has a lobster in it. :-)
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> Cheers,
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> Dave
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> Apologies for the double post but I might want to reserve that
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> younger girl
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The only punctuation change I made was from cherry-tree to cherry tree.

And the following archaic spellings:

ruther -> rather
fulness -> fullness
eying -> eyeing

And concatenating
worth while -> worthwhile
some one -> someone

Any other changes I've made were just correcting transcription errors from PG that I've verified against scans.

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Was "ruther" a dialect, or a transcription typo? I don't think I've ever
seen that as an alternate spelling per se. If it was a dialect then we
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OED says dialect I'll revert that one

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Just want to confirm this one:

> Marilla, Prissy Andrews is going to recite 'Curfew Must Not Ring Tonight.'

Would this be an instance of replacing the title quotes with italics?

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I've finally finished my proofread! The only assistance I need now is how to style the block quotes. In the original scans they're all indented and in a different typeface.
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Looks like the typeface is just smaller in the scans, Gutenberg has them in italics and the Hathi trust scans don't so the actual formatting is just a matter of house style and so using the standardebook defaults should be fine.

Placing the text inside <blockquote> tags with epub:type="z3998:letter", epub:type="z3998:verse" etc and where you use those then include the css from https://standardebooks.org/contribute/semantics depending on what you use.

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PS: I note that the page scans are in colophon.xhtml but not content.opf - you'll want to link to them there as well as an extra dc:source.

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Okay I've updated the content.opf and CSS as appropriate and pushed my changes. I think it's done!

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Can you please run se lint and fix those errors? Please re-generate the
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Done and pushed!

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OK, everything looks good! Very solid first production. The only minor
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Gotcha, I must have ran that accidentally!

I'd be interested in picking up The Souls of Black Folk by W. E. B. du Bois. http://www.gutenberg.org/files/408/408-h/408-h.htm I'd be curious as to how to best go about rendering the musical notation that begins every chapter.
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Given the lack of music markup in the web there are two options: the first would be tracing the bit maps to SVGs inside something like Inkscape (read back through the archives for instructions), but the possibly better option would be to find some way of creating music notation directly to SVG. I haven’t tried it, but a quick search threw up http://www.vexflow.com/ which looks promising.

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I'm not seeing unusual notation on PG but am seeing an epigraph which is discussed on the semantics page in the section on chapter headings.

https://standardebooks.org/contribute/semantics

Is there strange notation in the page scans?

Michael

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The source scans have music notation for the song lyrics above:



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I would suggest using the free notation software MuseScore (https://musescore.org/en) . I'm pretty sure I used this to make a music score in one of my SE productions but now can't remember which one.


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The source scans have music notation for the song lyrics above:



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I'm not seeing unusual notation on PG but am seeing an epigraph which is discussed on the semantics page in the section on chapter headings.

https://standardebooks.org/contribute/semantics

Is there strange notation in the page scans?

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This is a good question to consider because I've just run in to the same
problem with The Way of All Flesh, which has a handful of lines of music.

I was just tracing to SVG, but if there's free software out there that
can generate a score, maybe we should standardize on that process and
write it down in the manual.

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> I would suggest using the free notation software MuseScore
> (https://musescore.org/en) . I'm pretty sure I used this to make a music
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> The source scans have music notation for the song lyrics above:
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>> which is discussed on the semantics page in the section on chapter
>> headings.
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I found it: it was chapter 25 (XXV) of The Wonderful Visit by H. G. Wells. I used MuseScore to make the little tune. I can't now recall if it exported an SVG directly, or whether I converted from a PDF export.

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Yup looks like Musescore is in the Ubuntu repos, and it can export to
SVG. So, we should use that to recreate the scores, and export to SVG
for use in books. In the case of Souls of Black Folk you would put it in
a <figure> element within the <header> element of the chapter. (You'll
already have a <header> because there's an epigraph, see the semantics
manual for epigraphs in chapter headers.)

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One benefit is you get to hear what the music sounds like!

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We should probably save the raw musicxml files which are involved somewhere as well.

https://www.musicxml.com/

I'm not sure how clean the files from musescore are?

Michael

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If anyone wants any help with using MuseScore, or with music notation, I'm very familiar with it because I used to be in a choir until recently, and used MuseScore to help with practice.

Regards,

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OK, I've just done two short scores for the Way of All Flesh. MuseScore
is some very solid software. I think this is how we should standardize:

- Use MuseScore to create musical scores instead of tracing a bitmap to SVG.

- Export the source MuseScore files as illustration-n.xml in MusicXML
format, in ./images/. The file will end in `.xml`. This format can be
loaded by MuseScore too, so we get a program-agnostic storage format for
future editing.

- Export the MuseScore file as SVG in ./src/epub/images/. Once it's
exported, you can use Inkscape to cut out any unnecessary lines or to
make any final tweaks so that we match the source.

- It looks like the SVG will need some massaging to pass lint. You
can use https://github.com/Klowner/inkscape-applytransforms to remove
transforms from MuseScore SVGs. (First, select all and do Path -> Object
to Path, then Extensions -> Modify Path -> Apply transforms)

- You'll have to open the final SVG in a text editor to remove the
<desc> element.

I think that covers it. What do you all think?

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Can you start a new thread for this so we're not looking at the Anne of
Green Gables subject line? Thanks

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Also send me your Github repo once you've gotten started. Thanks!

On 11/4/19 2:44 PM, Devon Meunier wrote:
> Gotcha, I must have ran that accidentally!
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> I'd be interested in picking up The Souls of Black Folk by W. E. B. du
> Bois. http://www.gutenberg.org/files/408/408-h/408-h.htm I'd be curious
> as to how to best go about rendering the musical notation that begins
> every chapter.
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> On Thursday, 31 October 2019 17:01:58 UTC-4, Alex Cabal wrote:
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> OK, everything looks good! Very solid first production. The only minor
> note I have is that next time, don't run `se prepare-release` before
> submitting it, as that's done after the review step. I've gone ahead
> and
> released it--great work and let me know if you'd like to start on
> something more complicated!
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Sounds good. I'll go back and do the same for the little tune in The Wonderful Visit.
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I hit this lint error following your instructions:

Error: illustration-1.mxl Problem decoding file as utf-8

If I open the .mxl file it embeds an xml file, which appears to me to be utf-8, so I'm not sure what the issue is other than lint not expecting this format.

Alex Cabal

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You should save it as an xml file. My version of Musescore saves
MusicXML files as regular XML. You have to export, not save as.
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David Grigg

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OK, that did it. Changes to h-g-wells_the-wonderful-visit pushed.

Alex Cabal

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OK great. In the future make sure the file extension is XML not MXL
because otherwise MuseScore barfs when it tries to open it.

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> OK, that did it. Changes to h-g-wells_the-wonderful-visit pushed.
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