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Ron Stewart

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With the addition of support for sourcing projects from Faded Page in the latest updates to the SE toolset, I'd like to propose Cakes and Ale, by W. Somerset Maugham, published in 1930.



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OK! Make sure to include the subtitle in the metadata. Please send a
link to your repo once you start.

It was always possible to use Faded Page transcriptions, you just had to
do it by hand.
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Ron Stewart

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OK, Robin will manage with Lukas reviewing.

On 1/23/26 10:19 PM, Ron Stewart wrote:
> Thank you, Alex.
>
> The repo is at https://github.com/we3geeks/w-somerset-maugham_cakes-and-ale
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> On Friday, January 23, 2026 at 4:51:10 PM UTC-7 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> OK! Make sure to include the subtitle in the metadata. Please send a
> link to your repo once you start.
>
> It was always possible to use Faded Page transcriptions, you just
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> On 1/23/26 5:48 PM, Ron Stewart wrote:
> > With the addition of support for sourcing projects from Faded
> Page in
> > the latest updates to the SE toolset, I'd like to propose Cakes
> and Ale,
> > by W. Somerset Maugham, published in 1930.
> >
> > Transcription: https://www.fadedpage.com/showbook.php?
> pid=20170731 <https://www.fadedpage.com/showbook.php?pid=20170731>
> > Scans for the 1930 printing: https://archive.org/details/
> CakesAndAleMaugham/ <https://archive.org/details/CakesAndAleMaugham/>
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Ron Stewart

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I've finished my first pass at proofreading and have a small number of questions on items I made note of.

- Ch. 1 includes a hyphenated reference to "Hong-Kong". Searching the SE corpus, I see a mix of hyphenated and unhyphenated, with more on the unhyphenated side. Should the hyphen be retained? And if not, would that be considered an editorial change?
- Ch. 2 includes a partial book title: "... I admired Walter Pater, but heavens how Marius bored me!", presumably referring to "Marius the Epicurean"; should "Marius" in this context be marked up and semanticated as a book title?
- Ch. 20 includes a hyphenated reference to "Humpty-Dumpty", appearing in the text in the sentence "Humpty-Dumpty had had a great fall." The SE corpus has most instances of Humpty Dumpty without the hyphen, but two hyphenated. Should the hyphen be retained?

Robin Whittleton

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  1. Looks like we modernise it to “Hong Kong” already, but only for the lowercase k version (this was added only 3 months ago). Feel free to change it to Hong Kong in an editorial commit.
  2. Yes.
  3. Up to you. The Wikipedia page has no hyphen, so it would be a candidate for amending, again in an Editorial commit.

-Robin

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Ron Stewart

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Feb 17, 2026, 11:44:44 PMFeb 17
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Thank you, Robin.

Ron Stewart

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I'm struggling to find an image for the cover, in part because the link between the title and the story itself is pretty oblique. After looking through almost all of the linked possible sources from the "Art and Images" section of the SEMoS, I've come up with the three possibilities listed below in my order of preference.

- "Blue and Silver", David Muirhead, 1929 (https://dams.birminghammuseums.org.uk/assetbank-birminghammuseums/action/viewAsset?id=8207) - A representation of Rosie Driffield, a key character in the story. When her portrait is painted mid-way through the story, it has a profound effect on both the painter (“She’s the very devil to paint,” said Hillier, looking at her and at his picture. “You see, she’s all gold, her face and her hair, and yet she doesn’t give you a golden effect, she gives you a silvery effect.”) and on the narrator ("I stared at her and I stared at the picture. I had such a funny little feeling in my heart. It was as though someone softly plunged a sharp knife into it, but it was not an unpleasant sensation at all, painful but strangely agreeable; and then suddenly I felt quite weak at the knees. But now I do not know if I remember Rosie in the flesh or in the picture.”).

- "Mug, Book, Biscuits, and Match", John Frederick Peto, 1893 (https://www.nga.gov/artworks/164948-mug-book-biscuits-and-match) - A more literal take on the title of the book, with the image cropped to feature the book (given the literary subject matter of the book), the mug ("ale"), and one of the biscuits ("cakes").

- "Portrait of Thomas Hardy", Reginald Grenville Eves, 1924 (https://dams.birminghammuseums.org.uk/assetbank-birminghammuseums/action/viewAsset?id=8353)  - A representation of Edward Driffield, a key character in the book who was widely believed to have been based on Hardy.

I would welcome thoughts on any of the three.

Ron

Robin Whittleton

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Feb 24, 2026, 1:45:06 AMFeb 24
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First or third look good. The literal cakes and ale painting feels like it would be hard to crop in a satisfying way to work around the titlebox. Do you have a preference?

-Robin

On 24 Feb 2026, at 04:49, Ron Stewart <ron.s...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm struggling to find an image for the cover, in part because the link between the title and the story itself is pretty oblique. After looking through almost all of the linked possible sources from the "Art and Images" section of the SEMoS, I've come up with the three possibilities listed below in my order of preference.

Robin Whittleton

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Feb 24, 2026, 1:52:18 AMFeb 24
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Oh, just seen that you listed them in order of preference. Go with the portrait of the lady then, I’ll add it to the db and assign it to this project.

-Robin

On 24 Feb 2026, at 07:45, Robin Whittleton <ro...@reala.net> wrote:



Ron Stewart

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Feb 24, 2026, 8:03:21 AMFeb 24
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Thank you, Robin. I will go with that.

Ron

Ron Stewart

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Mar 2, 2026, 1:35:23 PMMar 2
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Robin,

I believe this is ready for your review.

Ron

Lukas Bystricky

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Ok, I think I'm up for review here. I'll get to this in the next few days.

Lukas Bystricky

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Mar 11, 2026, 5:31:04 PM (6 days ago) Mar 11
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Very nice work Ron. Sorry for the delay. I've filed a review with a few minor things to look at. 

Ron Stewart

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Thank you, Lucas. I'll work on the identified concerns in the next couple of days.

Ron

Lukas Bystricky

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Mar 13, 2026, 1:20:06 AM (5 days ago) Mar 13
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Alex, this is ready for you.

Ron Stewart

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Thank you, Robin and Lukas, for your assistance on the project. And, Lukas, my apologies for misspelling your name in my previous note.

Ron

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Alex Cabal

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OK, everything looks good Ron! I've gone ahead and released it. Thanks!

Is the Ashenden character the same Ashenden that is in
https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/w-somerset-maugham/ashenden ?
>>> viewAsset?id=8207 <https://
>>> dams.birminghammuseums.org.uk/assetbank-
>>> birminghammuseums/action/viewAsset?
>>> id=8207>) - A representation of Rosie
>>> Driffield, a key character in the story.
>>> When her portrait is painted mid-way
>>> through the story, it has a profound
>>> effect on both the painter (“She’s the
>>> very devil to paint,” said Hillier,
>>> looking at her and at his picture. “You
>>> see, she’s all gold, her face and her
>>> hair, and yet she doesn’t give you a
>>> golden effect, she gives you a silvery
>>> effect.”) and on the narrator ("I stared
>>> at her and I stared at the picture. I had
>>> such a funny little feeling in my heart.
>>> It was as though someone softly plunged a
>>> sharp knife into it, but it was not an
>>> unpleasant sensation at all, painful but
>>> strangely agreeable; and then suddenly I
>>> felt quite weak at the knees. But now I
>>> do not know if I remember Rosie in the
>>> flesh or in the picture.”).
>>>
>>> - "Mug, Book, Biscuits, and Match", John
>>> Frederick Peto, 1893 (https://
>>> www.nga.gov/artworks/164948-mug-book-
>>> biscuits-and-match <https://www.nga.gov/
>>> artworks/164948-mug-book-biscuits-and-
>>> match>) - A more literal take on the
>>> title of the book, with the image cropped
>>> to feature the book (given the literary
>>> subject matter of the book), the mug
>>> ("ale"), and one of the biscuits ("cakes").
>>>
>>> - "Portrait of Thomas Hardy", Reginald
>>> Grenville Eves, 1924 (https://
>>> dams.birminghammuseums.org.uk/assetbank-
>>> birminghammuseums/action/viewAsset?
>>> id=8353 <https://
>>> dams.birminghammuseums.org.uk/assetbank-
>>> birminghammuseums/action/viewAsset?
>>> id=8353>)  - A representation of Edward
>>> Driffield, a key character in the book
>>> who was widely believed to have been
>>> based on Hardy.
>>>
>>> I would welcome thoughts on any of the three.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2026 at
>>> 9:44:44 PM UTC-7 Ron Stewart wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you, Robin.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2026 at
>>> 2:17:27 PM UTC-7 robin wrote:
>>>
>>> 1. Looks like we modernise it to
>>> “Hong Kong” already, but only
>>> for the lowercase k version
>>> (this was added only 3 months
>>> ago <https://github.com/
>>> standardebooks/tools/
>>> blob/1f1b651a7d1b25b31013a363953dde976a845f44/se/spelling.py%23L568>). Feel free to change it to Hong Kong in an editorial commit.
>>> 2. Yes.
>>> 3. Up to you. The Wikipedia page
>>>> ale <https://github.com/
>>>> we3geeks/w-somerset-
>>>> maugham_cakes-and-ale>
>>>> showbook.php <https://
>>>> www.fadedpage.com/showbook.php>?
>>>> > pid=20170731 <https://
>>>> www.fadedpage.com/
>>>> showbook.php?pid=20170731
>>>> <https://www.fadedpage.com/
>>>> showbook.php?pid=20170731>>
>>>> > > Scans for the 1930
>>>> printing:https://
>>>> archive.org/details/
>>>> <https://archive.org/details/>
>>>> > CakesAndAleMaugham/
>>>> <https://archive.org/
>>>> details/CakesAndAleMaugham/
>>>> <https://archive.org/
>>>> details/CakesAndAleMaugham/>>
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
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RE the Ashenden character: I haven't found anything that definitively answers that question and I'm undecided.

Maugham had indicated that the character in the stories in Ashenden was based on his own experiences in the British intelligence service and was autobiographical. The timing of Cakes and Ale could fit and the narrator William Ashenden attended medical school in London (as did Maugham) but from the narrative, I don't get the sense he ever practised and the story in Cakes and Ale is largely silent on those intervening years between when he the character was in London as a student and the timeframe of the story as Ashenden is looking back on his time in London and with Rosie. There are also some similarities between the earlier life of William Ashendon in Cakes and Ale and Maugham's own. So, maybe? 

It seems clear to me that both books drew at least in part from his own life and experiences but I haven't found anything which makes a strong case for them actually being the same character. And Maugham also apparently used a character named Ashenden in several of his other short stories, so it may also have just been part of how he wrote.


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OK. I'm asking to see if we should create a collection. It does seem
like Ashenden is a writer in both books, which is probably enough of a
hint, though "Ashenden" doesn't mention his first name as William. But
nobody else seems to mention the connection, so let's drop it for now.

On 3/13/26 5:47 PM, Ron Stewart wrote:
> RE the Ashenden character: I haven't found anything that definitively
> answers that question and I'm undecided.
>
> Maugham had indicated that the character in the stories in /
> Ashenden/ was based on his own experiences in the British intelligence
> service and was autobiographical. The timing of /Cakes and Ale/ could
> fit and the narrator William Ashenden attended medical school in London
> (as did Maugham) but from the narrative, I don't get the sense he ever
> practised and the story in /Cakes and Ale/ is largely silent on those
> intervening years between when he the character was in London as a
> student and the timeframe of the story as Ashenden is looking back on
> his time in London and with Rosie. There are also some similarities
> between the earlier life of William Ashendon in /Cakes and Ale/ and
> >>> (https://dams.birminghammuseums.org.uk/ <https://
> dams.birminghammuseums.org.uk/>
> >>> assetbank-birminghammuseums/action/
> >>> viewAsset?id=8207 <https://
> >>> dams.birminghammuseums.org.uk/assetbank- <http://
> dams.birminghammuseums.org.uk/assetbank->
> >>> birminghammuseums/action/viewAsset?
> >>> id=8207>) - A representation of Rosie
> >>> Driffield, a key character in the story.
> >>> When her portrait is painted mid-way
> >>> through the story, it has a profound
> >>> effect on both the painter (“She’s the
> >>> very devil to paint,” said Hillier,
> >>> looking at her and at his picture. “You
> >>> see, she’s all gold, her face and her
> >>> hair, and yet she doesn’t give you a
> >>> golden effect, she gives you a silvery
> >>> effect.”) and on the narrator ("I stared
> >>> at her and I stared at the picture. I had
> >>> such a funny little feeling in my heart.
> >>> It was as though someone softly plunged a
> >>> sharp knife into it, but it was not an
> >>> unpleasant sensation at all, painful but
> >>> strangely agreeable; and then suddenly I
> >>> felt quite weak at the knees. But now I
> >>> do not know if I remember Rosie in the
> >>> flesh or in the picture.”).
> >>>
> >>> - "Mug, Book, Biscuits, and Match", John
> >>> Frederick Peto, 1893 (https://
> >>> www.nga.gov/artworks/164948-mug-book- <http://www.nga.gov/
> artworks/164948-mug-book->
> >>> biscuits-and-match <https://www.nga.gov/ <https://www.nga.gov/>
> >>> artworks/164948-mug-book-biscuits-and-
> >>> match>) - A more literal take on the
> >>> title of the book, with the image cropped
> >>> to feature the book (given the literary
> >>> subject matter of the book), the mug
> >>> ("ale"), and one of the biscuits ("cakes").
> >>>
> >>> - "Portrait of Thomas Hardy", Reginald
> >>> Grenville Eves, 1924 (https://
> >>> dams.birminghammuseums.org.uk/assetbank- <http://
> dams.birminghammuseums.org.uk/assetbank->
> >>> birminghammuseums/action/viewAsset?
> >>> id=8353 <https://
> >>> dams.birminghammuseums.org.uk/assetbank- <http://
> dams.birminghammuseums.org.uk/assetbank->
> >>> birminghammuseums/action/viewAsset?
> >>> id=8353>)  - A representation of Edward
> >>> Driffield, a key character in the book
> >>> who was widely believed to have been
> >>> based on Hardy.
> >>>
> >>> I would welcome thoughts on any of the three.
> >>>
> >>> Ron
> >>>
> >>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2026 at
> >>> 9:44:44 PM UTC-7 Ron Stewart wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thank you, Robin.
> >>>
> >>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2026 at
> >>> 2:17:27 PM UTC-7 robin wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Looks like we modernise it to
> >>> “Hong Kong” already, but only
> >>> for the lowercase k version
> >>> (this was added only 3 months
> >>> ago <https://github.com/ <https://github.com/>
> >>> standardebooks/tools/
> >>> blob/1f1b651a7d1b25b31013a363953dde976a845f44/se/
> >>>> github.com/we3geeks/w- <http://github.com/we3geeks/w->
> >>>> somerset-maugham_cakes-and-
> >>>> ale <https://github.com/ <https://github.com/>
> >>>> www.fadedpage.com/ <http://www.fadedpage.com/>
> >>>> showbook.php <https://
> >>>> www.fadedpage.com/showbook.php <http://www.fadedpage.com/
> showbook.php>>?
> >>>> > pid=20170731 <https://
> >>>> www.fadedpage.com/ <http://www.fadedpage.com/>
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I think Ron's assessment is correct. It's the same name, but there's no indication that it's the same character. Ashenden the wartime spy only appears in the short story collection. 
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