[First Project] Tragedy at Ravensthorpe by JJ Connington

[mauka218lani]

Greetings,

For my first project I'd like to try Tragedy at Ravensthorpe by JJ Connington, pseudonym for AW Stewart.

Searching extensively for the scans with none found, now I see why this one has not yet been picked up. I've sent a request for scan access to Brian Raiter, credited producer of the Project Gutenberg version, using his email shown on Github, but no response yet. He appears to have sourced the first edition, Grosset & Dunlap 1927.

Meanwhile, I'll start on the book. If I am ultimately unable to obtain access to scans and you decide not to use my results I'm ok with that. This is a learning experience. Same if it turns out Mr Raiter prefers producing his own version for Standard Ebooks.

The book is pg75407 released last February on Project Gutenberg:

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/75407

My repository:
https://github.com/mauka218lani/j-j-connington_tragedy-at-ravensthorpe

Request to use cropped image of the first edition dust jacket as cover. 

Nice image on wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_at_Ravensthorpe
Which they credit to:
https://grandestgame.wordpress.com/list-of-authors/j-j-connington/tragedy-at-ravensthorpe-j-j-connington/
Which they in turn credit to:
https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/890/j-j-connington/tragedy-at-ravensthorpe
and they have the full dust jacket as an image for sale for $25.

The wikipedia details for the image suggest that reuse of a cropped version for Standard Ebooks would be allowed. Are you ok with that?

As it is my first time posting, I'd like to take a moment to express my compliments to those who have created/maintained the extensive documentation for this process on your website and in Github as well as the tools you have made available. I have reviewed and consulted the documents under "Get Involved" plus made use of the technical directions for installing your tools on my doddering mac running High Sierra (no homebrew supports macos that old, had to rely on python).

Thank you for considering my request.

PS, apologizes if the anonymous approach is too creepy. I have been notified that my identity is for sale on the dark web and I now operate at maximum paranoia. Thanks for understanding.

[Ron Stewart]

@mauka218lani: I had done some digging last year around Connington's books and found scans of "Tragedy at Ravensthorpe" on Google Books (https://www.google.com/books/edition/Tragedy_at_Ravensthorpe/AsNHAAAAYAAJ) but my digging was before the PG transcription was available. Perhaps those might help?

Ron

[Alex Cabal]

Great, that one would be a good start.

I see some verse in there, see the manual for how to structure that.

You can use the first edition dust jacket cover. I don't think the one
on Wikipedia is large enough to work since we have to scale it up
significantly, but you can try. Maybe an AI tool would do a good job on
scaling it up.

The one hosted on PG could also work.

In any case, use Gimp/Photoshop to remove the title/author (should be
very easy since it's a uniform black background).

If you're using the one from PG, fill in or crop out the damaged edges,
and if possible fix the water stains on the blue field near the top.

Weijia will manage this with Vince reviewing.

Re. paranoia, note that you must use a real-sounding name for the
producer credit within the ebook. It doesn't have to be your real name
but it can't be a handle like mauka218lani. You can also choose to be
anonymous if you prefer.

Make sure to read the Standard Ebooks Manual of Style before starting,
as you won't know what to fix if you haven't read the standards. In
particular, please closely review the semantics, high level patterns,
and typography sections:

https://standardebooks.org/manual

https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics

https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-structural-patterns

https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography

The step by step guide will take you from start to finish:

https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-by-step

This page on common issues in older books may be useful:

https://standardebooks.org/contribute/how-tos/common-issues-when-working-on-public-domain-ebooks

Please email often if you have any questions at all. Our standards are
well-established so there is probably already a standard for formatting
whatever problem you've encountered.

Have fun! :)

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[mauka218lani]

Greetings and Happy Thanksgiving,

I have a question on how closely chapter titles should match the scans. Thanks to Ron Stewart, who kindly sent the link, we see the scans have the chapter title on one line, all caps, italics, with roman numeral and colon. Like this:

CHAPTER I: THE FAIRY HOUSES

Note, I looked at first editions for sale on eBay and they match the scans as far as format of chapter title.

 

Project Gutenberg made the chapter title two lines, no italics, mixed case and bold. Like this:

CHAPTER I.

The Fairy Houses

I can't seem to find a description of how closely we want to match scans in the Style Manual. Hints on where to find that discussion most welcome. I've spent years working on books for Project Gutenberg so I may need to shift my mind set...

For now I went with a guess. But seems best to ask before getting too much further than my second commit (split files and clean) since what I did will not render to match either of the above. Below is how I have it now. Is this correct? Please advise. Thank you very much for your assistance.

<head>
<title>CHAPTER I. The Fairy Houses</title>
<link href="../css/core.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"/>
<link href="../css/local.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"/>
</head>
<body epub:type="bodymatter z3998:fiction">
<section id="chapter-1" epub:type="chapter">
<hgroup>
<h2 epub:type="ordinal z3998:roman">I</h2>
<p epub:type="title">The Fairy Houses</p>
</hgroup>

PS to Alex Cabal. Thank you for offering the option to be anonymous. That is ideal for me.

[Robin Whittleton]

We’re not trying to match the scans exactly with title formatting. House style is set up for you automatically in core.css so you don’t need to do anything there. For the markup, you can follow the guidelines at https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.4/single-page#7.2 and https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.4/single-page#8.1.

Your guess is correctly formatted, yep.

-Robin

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[mauka218lani]

Greetings,

Characters in the book are having a conversation when 'The Jungle Book' is mentioned so I changed that to this:

<i epub:type="se:name.publication.book">The Jungle Book</i>

But then 'Rikki-tikki-tavi' is mentioned. That's a short story that's part of 'The Jungle Book'. In the source it is currently italics. Should it stay italics, be quote in single or double quotes, or perhaps a tag something like se:name.publication.shortstory? Or another approach?

Thank you for your help.

[Alex Cabal]

See https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.4/single-page#8.2.11 and
especially 8.2.11.13

On 11/29/25 2:01 PM, 'mauka218lani' via Standard Ebooks wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>

> Characters in the book are having a conversation when 'The Jungle Book'
> is mentioned so I changed that to this:
>
> <i epub:type="se:name.publication.book">The Jungle Book</i>
>
> But then 'Rikki-tikki-tavi' is mentioned. That's a short story that's
> part of 'The Jungle Book'. In the source it is currently italics. Should
> it stay italics, be quote in single or double quotes, or perhaps a tag
> something like se:name.publication.shortstory? Or another approach?
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 27, 2025 at 9:38:56 PM UTC-10 robin wrote:
>
> We’re not trying to match the scans exactly with title formatting.
> House style is set up for you automatically in core.css so you don’t
> need to do anything there. For the markup, you can follow the
> guidelines at https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.4/single-

> page#7.2 <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.4/single-
> page#7.2> and https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.4/single-
> page#8.1 <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.4/single-page#8.1>.

>
> Your guess is correctly formatted, yep.
>
> -Robin
>
>> On 28 Nov 2025, at 05:12, 'mauka218lani' via Standard Ebooks
>> <standar...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Greetings and Happy Thanksgiving,
>>
>> I have a question on how closely chapter titles should match the
>> scans. Thanks to Ron Stewart, who kindly sent the link, we see the
>> scans have the chapter title on one line, all caps, italics, with
>> roman numeral and colon. Like this:
>>

>> /CHAPTER I: THE FAIRY HOUSES/

>>
>> Note, I looked at first editions for sale on eBay and they match
>> the scans as far as format of chapter title.
>>
>> Project Gutenberg made the chapter title two lines, no italics,
>> mixed case and bold. Like this:
>>

>> *CHAPTER I.*
>> *The Fairy Houses
>> *

>> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics <https://
>> standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics>
>>
>> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-
>> structural-patterns <https://standardebooks.org/manual/
>> latest/7-high-level-structural-patterns>
>>
>> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography

>> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography>
>>
>> The step by step guide will take you from start to finish:
>>
>> https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-

>> by-step <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-
>> ebook-step-by-step>

>>
>> This page on common issues in older books may be useful:
>>
>> https://standardebooks.org/contribute/how-tos/common-issues-

>> when-working-on-public-domain-ebooks <https://
>> standardebooks.org/contribute/how-tos/common-issues-when-
>> working-on-public-domain-ebooks>

>> >https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/75407 <https://
>> www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/75407>
>> >
>> > My repository:
>> >https://github.com/mauka218lani/j-j-connington_tragedy-at-
>> ravensthorpe <https://github.com/mauka218lani/j-j-
>> connington_tragedy-at-ravensthorpe>

>> >
>> > Request to use cropped image of the first edition dust
>> jacket as cover.
>> >
>> > Nice image on wikipedia:
>> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_at_Ravensthorpe
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_at_Ravensthorpe>
>> > Which they credit to:
>> >https://grandestgame.wordpress.com/list-of-authors/j-j-

>> connington/ <https://grandestgame.wordpress.com/list-of-
>> authors/j-j-connington/>

>> > tragedy-at-ravensthorpe-j-j-connington/
>> > Which they in turn credit to:
>> >https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/890/j-j-connington/

>> tragedy-at- <https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/890/j-j-
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[David]

And just in case it's not obvious from that section of SEMoS, the short story still gets semantics, like this (e.g.):

    “<span epub:type="se:name.publication.short-story">Blue Beard</span>“

And "Rikki-tikki-tavi" should be titlecased, I expect: this is how it looks in the SE edition title, anyway, though not in the body of the story.

Hope that helps - David / Fife, UK

[mauka218lani]

Greetings,

Thank you to all who are helping me!

I did not grasp the details in the Jungle Book in the SEMoS. I'm grateful for that hint. This section is in a conversation. Below is how I currently have it set up for both titles - epub:type tags inside span, not italics, title case, single curly quotes. Do I have it correct?

<p>Sir Clinton’s next question left the Inspector still further bemused.</p>
<p>“Out of <span epub:type="se:name.publication.book">‘The Jungle Book’</span> by any chance?”</p>
<p>Cecil seemed to see the drift of the inquiry, for he replied at once:</p>
<p>“Yes. <span epub:type="se:name.publication.short-story">‘Rikki-Tikki-Tavi’</span>, you know.”</p>

Mr Raiter kindly supplied his scans of the first edition, and Mr Stewart had shared a link to Google's scans. In case it will be helpful, this conversation looks like this on the scans:

So sorry to keep bothering you about this minor section. But surely it is better to have it pass review now than come back and repair it down the road. Thank you once again.

[David]

(I think Weijia's in a busy week, so hopefully okay to pitch in!)

No - not quite correct:

(1) <span epub:type="se:name.publication.book">‘The Jungle Book’</span> should be:

<i epub:type="se:name.publication.book">The Jungle Book</i>

N.b. single quotes being removed! I would put this in an [Editorial] commit, but this is a bit of a grey area. Do it in its own commit, and it's easy enough just to change the commit message if need be in a rebase.

(2) <span epub:type="se:name.publication.short-story">‘Rikki-Tikki-Tavi’</span> should be:

‘<span epub:type="se:name.publication.short-story">Rikki-Tikki-Tavi</span>’

N.b. note that the squo's are *outside* the span wrapper. This also I would make an [Editorial] commit, as the squo's here are being *added*. Same drill as above.

Once again, hope that helps! D.

[Weijia Cheng]

Thanks for pitching in, David!

[mauka218lani]

Greetings,

Thank you for clarifying the format for marking books. Besides this chapter, I've repaired several other of my semantic tags based on your advice.

Now I'm having a problem with the rendering forcing indent of the continued sentence after a blockquote. Perhaps expected default result?

This situation is a person speaking who interrupts his sentence for part of a children's rhyme for skipping rope. Below is how I have it now, but it renders with the rest of the sentence after the rhyme indented. Shouldn't the rest of the sentence after the blockquote render at left margin? Is there a better way to format this bit?

<p>“Not in fancy dress, with a mask on, dear boy. Don’t forget that part of it.</p>
<blockquote epub:type="z3998:verse">
<p>
<span>‘Fancy me in fancy dress,</span>
<br/>
<span>Fancy me as Good Queen Bess!’ ”</span>
</p>
</blockquote>
<p>he hummed softly. “Only I don’t think I’ll come as Good Queen Bess, after all.”</p>

Below is how this renders in a browser.

Below is how it looks in the scan.

Thank you very much.

[Weijia Cheng]

Take a look at https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.4/8-typography#8.4.2.1

[mauka218lani]

Greetings,

In the scans there is the note (shown below) on a page between the copyright and the toc. How should this front matter be handled? 

Thank you.

[Weijia Cheng]

I guess that could be considered a foreword.

[Alex Cabal]

I would just cut it, it's probably boilerplate unless the plot deals
with people who might have actually existed.

On 12/13/25 1:48 AM, 'mauka218lani' via Standard Ebooks wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> In the scans there is the note (shown below) on a page between the
> copyright and the toc. How should this front matter be handled?
>
> Thank you.
>

> note.png
>
> On Monday, December 1, 2025 at 1:33:01 PM UTC-10 weij...@bu.edu wrote:
>
> Take a look at https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.4/8-

> typography#8.4.2.1 <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.4/8-
> typography#8.4.2.1>

> rendersindented.png
>
> Below is how it looks in the scan.
>

> conversation.jpg
>
> So sorry to keep bothering you about this minor
> section. But surely it is better to have it pass
> review now than come back and repair it down the
> road. Thank you once again.
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[mauka218lani]

Thank you for responding. It turns out there is a real place named Ravensthorpe. It is in Northamptonshire in the UK.

Would it be best to treat it as a foreward then? Thanks again for so much help with this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravensthorpe,_Northamptonshire

[Alex Cabal]

No, just cut it. Wikipedia says there are at least 5 Ravensthorpes
around the world. I think it's just boilerplate.

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[mauka218lani]

Aloha,

I started putzing around with a cover. You nailed it when you mentioned potential problem scaling the first edition dust jacket images. Nonetheless, I've given it a shot. Too fuzzy? If so, shall I look for an image of a lonely mansion with an atmosphere of murder? Thank you for your advice.

[Alex Cabal]

Yes I think that's too fuzzy. Try using an AI scaling tool, they're
often better than GIMP.

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> Aloha,
>
> I started putzing around with a cover. You nailed it when you mentioned
> potential problem scaling the first edition dust jacket images.
> Nonetheless, I've given it a shot. Too fuzzy? If so, shall I look for an
> image of a lonely mansion with an atmosphere of murder? Thank you for
> your advice.
>

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[mauka218lani]

Aloha,

This seems the best result among the free AI image upscaler websites. What do you think?

Thank you

[Alex Cabal]

OK, I think that looks much better

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>

> This seems the best result among the free AI image upscaler websites.
> What do you think?
>
> Thank you
>

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[Alex Cabal]

Send a link to the image you actually used so I can upload it to the
database

On 12/16/25 10:19 PM, 'mauka218lani' via Standard Ebooks wrote:
> Aloha,
>

> This seems the best result among the free AI image upscaler websites.
> What do you think?
>
> Thank you
>

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[mauka218lani]

Greetings, I started with the wikipedia image.

The page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_at_Ravensthorpe

Direct link to the image on that page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_at_Ravensthorpe#/media/File:Tragedy_at_Ravensthorpe.jpg

Thank you

[mauka218lani]

Greetings,

More about the cover image. My curiousity was piqued when I saw "desRosiers" as the cover artist in the SE database. I confirm that when the image from Project Gutenberg is enlarged. That cover is from the Grosset & Dunlap edition, as shown in PG version.

My image is from the Little, Brown & Co edition. I know that from the full dust jacket shown here

https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/890/j-j-connington/tragedy-at-ravensthorpe

The cover paintings are not exactly the same. I can't make out the signature on the Little, Brown cover. Bing image search says it is "Hesione". Can't agree with that but can't offer a correction either. One of these covers is an almost copy of the original by a different artist. Perhaps Little, Brown version is the original?

I found a bibliography here, fwiw, https://freeread.de/@RGLibrary/JJConnington/JJConnington-Bibliography.html

It gives this order of publication

       Ernest Benn, London, 1927
       Little, Brown & Co., Boston, 1928
       Grosset & Dunlap, New York, 1930
       Hodder & Stoughton, London, 1935

Confirmed, at least partially, with the PG edition copyright page:

New York
Grosset & Dunlap
Published February, 1928
Copyright, 1927, 1928, by Little, Brown, and Company

The Ernest Benn cover is not a painting. See

https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/889/j-j-connington/tragedy-at-ravensthorpe

I recognize we are sticklers for historical accuracy and public domain. I'm attaching the AI upscaled version of the Little Brown cover before I messed with removing the title and author. Perhaps you have better tools for deciphering the signature?

Please advise if the cover I've submitted is impacted by these issues, perhaps preventing its use.

Thank you

[Alex Cabal]

The cover in our DB and
https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/890/j-j-connington/tragedy-at-ravensthorpe
look the same to me. One might just be faded or discolored from age but
the illustration is identical. I don't have any more info on the artist,
if you can make a definitive assertion then we can update the DB.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_at_Ravensthorpe <https://
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>
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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_at_Ravensthorpe#/media/

> File:Tragedy_at_Ravensthorpe.jpg <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

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[mauka218lani]

OK, thanks. 

Looks like cover artist is Leon Louis desRosiers, Sr.  (1890-1968)

There seems to be disagreement if surname is desRosiers or des Rosiers. I will show his surname as above with surname one word and Sr. suffix in content.opf if that is acceptable.

Links below have other covers that show the same signature, and they have a short blurb on the cover artist...

https://www.longbrosbooks.com/pages/books/5608/alan-sims/phoinix

https://www.abebooks.com/first-edition/Phoinix-SIMS-Alan-Little-Brown-Company/31209527573/bd

https://historical.ha.com/itm/books/original-art/leon-louis-desrosiers-sr-the-desrosiers-dodd-mead-and-company-book-cover-illustration-collection-1930s/a/6155-45331.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

Thank you for helping with the details on this.

[Alex Cabal]

Very good, I'll update the database.Thanks!

On 12/19/25 8:19 PM, 'mauka218lani' via Standard Ebooks wrote:
> OK, thanks.
>
> Looks like cover artist is Leon Louis desRosiers, Sr.  (1890-1968)
> There seems to be disagreement if surname is desRosiers or des Rosiers.
> I will show his surname as above with surname one word and Sr. suffix in
> content.opf if that is acceptable.
>
> Links below have other covers that show the same signature, and they
> have a short blurb on the cover artist...
>
> https://www.longbrosbooks.com/pages/books/5608/alan-sims/phoinix
>
> https://www.abebooks.com/first-edition/Phoinix-SIMS-Alan-Little-Brown-
> Company/31209527573/bd
>
> https://historical.ha.com/itm/books/original-art/leon-louis-desrosiers-
> sr-the-desrosiers-dodd-mead-and-company-book-cover-illustration-
> collection-1930s/a/6155-45331.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
>
> Thank you for helping with the details on this.
> On Friday, December 19, 2025 at 1:30:25 PM UTC-10 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> The cover in our DB and
> https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/890/j-j-connington/tragedy-

> at-ravensthorpe <https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/890/j-j-
> connington/tragedy-at-ravensthorpe>

> look the same to me. One might just be faded or discolored from age but
> the illustration is identical. I don't have any more info on the
> artist,
> if you can make a definitive assertion then we can update the DB.
>
> On 12/19/25 5:19 PM, 'mauka218lani' via Standard Ebooks wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > More about the cover image. My curiousity was piqued when I saw
> > "desRosiers" as the cover artist in the SE database. I confirm
> that when
> > the image from Project Gutenberg is enlarged. That cover is from the
> > Grosset & Dunlap edition, as shown in PG version.
> >
> > My image is from the Little, Brown & Co edition. I know that from
> the
> > full dust jacket shown here

> > https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/890/j-j-connington/
> tragedy-at- <https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/890/j-j-
> connington/tragedy-at->

> > ravensthorpe
> >
> > The cover paintings are not exactly the same. I can't make out the
> > signature on the Little, Brown cover. Bing image search says it is
> > "Hesione". Can't agree with that but can't offer a correction
> either.
> > One of these covers is an almost copy of the original by a different
> > artist. Perhaps Little, Brown version is the original?
> >
> > I found a bibliography here, fwiw, https://freeread.de/

> @RGLibrary/ <https://freeread.de/@RGLibrary/>

> > JJConnington/JJConnington-Bibliography.html
> >
> > It gives this order of publication
> >        Ernest Benn, London, 1927
> >        Little, Brown & Co., Boston, 1928
> >        Grosset & Dunlap, New York, 1930
> >        Hodder & Stoughton, London, 1935
> >
> > Confirmed, at least partially, with the PG edition copyright page:
> > New York
> > Grosset & Dunlap
> > Published February, 1928
> > Copyright, 1927, 1928, by Little, Brown, and Company
> >
> > The Ernest Benn cover is not a painting. See
> > https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/889/j-j-connington/

> tragedy-at- <https://www.dustjackets.com/pages/books/889/j-j-
> connington/tragedy-at->

> > ravensthorpe
> >
> > I recognize we are sticklers for historical accuracy and public
> domain.
> > I'm attaching the AI upscaled version of the Little Brown cover
> before I
> > messed with removing the title and author. Perhaps you have
> better tools
> > for deciphering the signature?
> >
> > Please advise if the cover I've submitted is impacted by these
> issues,
> > perhaps preventing its use.
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, December 17, 2025 at 8:53:18 AM UTC-10 mauka218lani
> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings, I started with the wikipedia image.
> >
> > The page:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_at_Ravensthorpe <https://

> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_at_Ravensthorpe> <https://
> > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_at_Ravensthorpe <http://

> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ <https://en.wikipedia.org/
> wiki/>
> > Ravensthorpe,_Northamptonshire <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/>
> > Ravensthorpe,_Northamptonshire>
> > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravensthorpe,_Northamptonshire
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravensthorpe,_Northamptonshire>
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravensthorpe,_Northamptonshire
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravensthorpe,_Northamptonshire>>>

> > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/>

> > Ravensthorpe,_Northamptonshire <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/>
> > Ravensthorpe,_Northamptonshire>
> > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravensthorpe,_Northamptonshire
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravensthorpe,_Northamptonshire>

> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravensthorpe,_Northamptonshire
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravensthorpe,_Northamptonshire>>>>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Saturday, December 13, 2025 at 7:16:40 AM UTC-10 Alex
> > Cabal
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I would just cut it, it's probably boilerplate unless the
> > plot
> > > deals
> > > > > with people who might have actually existed.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 12/13/25 1:48 AM, 'mauka218lani' via Standard Ebooks
> > wrote:
> > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the scans there is the note (shown below) on a page
> > > between the
> > > > > > copyright and the toc. How should this front matter be
> > handled?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > note.png
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Monday, December 1, 2025 at 1:33:01 PM UTC-10
> > weij...@bu.edu
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take a look at https://standardebooks.org/ <https://
> standardebooks.org/>

> > manual/1.8.4/8- <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.4/8-
> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.4/8->>
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[mauka218lani]

Greetings,

I believe this ebook is ready for initial review. I would like to think I've followed all steps correctly. We shall see!

For convenience, a link to my repository: repo

There's no way I'd have gotten this far without help. I'd like to thank

Alex Cabal
Brian Raiter
David in Fife. UK
Robin Whittleton
Ron Stewart
Weijia Cheng

I'm looking forward to your feedback with fingers crossed it's not a total disaster..

Thank you

[Vince]

Very good, I’ll get to it in the next few days.

[Vince]

I took a quick look.

It doesn’t appear modernize-spelling was run, step 15 in the Step by Step—there is no commit referencing it, and almost all of the “Manual typogrify” commits are spelling changes.

Semanticate was not run until after several other things had been done, including manually adding tags for “Mr.” instead of letting semanticate do it.

All of the chapter-level commits are labeled as manual typogrify changes, when they appear to be mostly spelling changes, most of which would, again, have been made by modernize-spelling.

British spelling (centre, labour, favour, etc.) was changed to U.S. spelling. We don’t do that (or vice versa). We leave U.S./British differences as is.

Editorial and non-editorial changes have been mixed in several commits, e.g. tagging The Jungle book (not editorial) in the same commit as spelling/hyphenation changes (editorial). These will have to be separated.

For first productions, it is very important to follow the Step by Step Guide as closely as possible. This not only helps the producer to make sure everything is done, it also helps the reviewer follow what was done, and ensure that everything was done and done correctly.

With all of the above issues at just a first glance, I think the easiest and best course would be to rename the local repository and start over, following the Step by Step as close to exactly as possible. Since you’ve gone through it once, it should go pretty quickly, and you have all of the changes in the old repository, so you can do a difference at the end to make sure you didn’t miss anything.

[mauka218lani]

This feedback is puzzling as all listed concerns were addressed before requesting review. Nonetheless I have complied and revoked access to the repository.

It seems to me that it is possible that there are undocumented requirements for the structure and content of the repository itself. If so, could you please provide links to several repositories that meet these requirements? Perhaps I can review those to gain a better understanding. Thank you

[Vince]

How were "all listed concerns addressed"? All of the things I listed are currently present in the GitHub repository. They’re also documented, either in the Step by Step guide or in SEMoS. If you have questions about anything specifically, let me know.

[mauka218lani]

Happy Holidays,

No matter. I went back and corrected items I later discovered to be errors. Now moving on, trying to make next version better.

There are three instances of titles (two poems and an opera), that I presently tagged with <span> or <i> but a closer reading of SEMoS makes me wonder if they should instead be <cite>. It appears that in other repositories <cite> is primarily used in front matter, endnotes, and within <blockquote> so maybe not. In these specific cases the characters casually mention the source of the subsequent quote as part of the conversation, perhaps mostly as hint for readers. Does that make these serve the same purpose as citations? Certainly they are written as not formal citations, but do we prefer the semantics reflect that these titles are the source for the quote?

Here are the relevant portions of the scans with each followed by curent markup.

title above now marked as

of ‘<span epub:type="z3998:poem">Farewell Rewards and Fairies</span>,’

title above now marked as

the <i epub:type="se:name.music.opera">The Pirates of Penzance</i>:

title above now  marked as

the <i epub:type="z3998:poem">The Hunting of the Snark</i>, Joan.

Please advise if what I have is not correct and should instead be <cite> or some other option.

Note, I moved "the" inside the title if it is indeed part of the actual title. Let me know if this is not correct.

In case relevant, I know from my first version that the present markup will likely trigger "s-044" errors in lint that will require documenting the se-lint-ignore.xml file.

Thank you

[Vince]

Cites are used when the name of the publication is cited within a containing element, e.g. in an epigraph or footnote. They can’t and wouldn’t be used in these examples because there is no containing element.

You’re getting the s-044s because you’re using the semantic for the text of a poem rather than the name of a poem. The SE vocabulary contains semantics for names of a variety of publications: newspapers, poems, books, etc., just like it does for opera.

No, we don’t need two consecutive “the”s—quotes of publication names are often loose and do not need to be filled out to be exact.

They do, however, need to be titlecase if they’re English. Changing the text to titlecase is editorial; tagging it with the semantic is not, so the two should be in separate commits.

Farewell Rewards and Fairies is a song, not a poem. He introduced it as a “proper new Ballad…sung or whistled to tune of…."

On Dec 28, 2025, at 4:49 AM, 'mauka218lani' via Standard Ebooks <standar...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Happy Holidays,

No matter. I went back and corrected items I later discovered to be errors. Now moving on, trying to make next version better.

There are three instances of titles (two poems and an opera), that I presently tagged with <span> or <i> but a closer reading of SEMoS makes me wonder if they should instead be <cite>. It appears that in other repositories <cite> is primarily used in front matter, endnotes, and within <blockquote> so maybe not. In these specific cases the characters casually mention the source of the subsequent quote as part of the conversation, perhaps mostly as hint for readers. Does that make these serve the same purpose as citations? Certainly they are written as not formal citations, but do we prefer the semantics reflect that these titles are the source for the quote? 

Here are the relevant portions of the scans with each followed by curent markup.

<Corbet.png>

title above now marked as 

of ‘<span epub:type="z3998:poem">Farewell Rewards and Fairies</span>,’

<Pirates.png>

title above now marked as

the <i epub:type="se:name.music.opera">The Pirates of Penzance</i>:

[mauka218lani]

Greetings,

About this bit of Latin:

At the moment I have this in a blockquote as verse, like this:

<blockquote epub:type="z3998:verse" xml:lang="la">
<p>Quis, quid, ubi, quibus auxiliis, cur, quomodo, quando?</p>
</blockquote>

But I'm not sure this qualifies as "verse". I found it on a list of notable Latin phrases, here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_phrases_(Q)

Please advise on correct markup for this.

Thank you

[Vince]

As Wiki notes, it’s from Aquinas’s Summa Theologica, which isn’t verse. It should be just a plain blockquote. Don’t forget the additional CSS needed; see SEMoS 8.2.9.6.

On Jan 5, 2026, at 9:47 AM, 'mauka218lani' via Standard Ebooks <standar...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Greetings,

About this bit of Latin:

[mauka218lani]

Greetings,

I believe this ebook is again ready for review. This is actually my 4th version of this repository so maybe it's closer to right this time.

For convenience, a link to repository:  repo

Thank you

PS, Please consider adding direction for preferred author pseudonym treatment in content.odf and colophon.xhtml metadata. I've made decisions for this book based on the Ellery Queen repository, which limits metadata to the pseudonym. Possible clarifications could include:
Which link for nacoaf name when there is one page for pseudonym and another page for author's actual name?
What to do when Wikipedia search for pseudonym only returns the page with author's actual name. Would it have been better not to include the Wikipedia href in colophon?

Also, during my final checks I felt it necessary to restore punctuation dots in J.J. Connington initials to show like the P.T. Barnum ebooks in the cover and title pages. I apologize for not noticing the issue much much earlier. Could it be the Project Gutenberg files or the create-draft tool dropped the dots? In any event, the dots were not present in the initial files output by create-draft. I didn't find guidance for repair so did it manually.

Thanks again