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Jon Erdman

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Jan 2, 2026, 9:18:29 PMJan 2
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I have been laying down some groundwork over the past several months towards the goal of taking on this large project, and I think I'm ready to do it now. I would like to do the Ring Lardner short fiction omnibus. When all said and done, it's going to be about a half-million words. Extremely large, but not the largest on the site.

Spreadsheet here, just so you don't have to track down the link:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J6ZnT3_1DHHTCWyzfSKkAbIHQqrEz4AoUI7dQdz7668

The scope of this would be everything on the spreadsheet that is currently public domain, excluding the plays and the stories that are already in the Jack Keefe Stories omnibus. Every single story from 1930 or earlier has scans linked in the spreadsheet, and they've all been transcribed (some are on Gutenberg, some FadedPage, some WikiSource, and a handful on other sites). The ones that lacked transcriptions have all been transcribed by myself in markdown and uploaded to a github repo (all of the ones with github links under the transcription column were done by me). Too many scan and transcription sources to link here, they're all in the spreadsheet. All the manual transcription work is already done, which should save a ton of time going forward.

Alex Cabal

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OK, the spreadsheet looks very good, great research!

I've created a project, Weijia will be managing with Emma reviewing.

This will be a lot of work - good luck!
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Jon Erdman

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I do have one question about transcriptions - A transcription of the book "Own Your Own Home" (which contained four of the short stories that will be in this omnibus) was located on an old Lardner fansite which has long since gone offline, but I was able to get the transcriptions via the wayback machine.

I have copied them for safekeeping into the git repo where I'm keeping my manual transcriptions and credited their author, but I'm not sure what to link in my metadata. I can't imagine we have any precedent for linking to the wayback machine, and I wonder if the linter would even let me do it (since it would be an archive.org link that doesn't match the usual format). Should I put the wayback machine link in my metadata and add a lint-ignore entry if the linter doesn't like the nonstandard archive.org URL, or should I instead link to my copy on github? EIther way the creator of the transcription will be named in the metadata as a transcriber.

Jon Erdman

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Jan 5, 2026, 10:15:11 AMJan 5
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Also, on the topic of "Own Your Own Home" - a few more questions.

The book "Own Your Own Home" was comprised of the first four of seven stories that Lardner wrote about his character Fred Gross, which had all originally been published as individual stories in Redbook magazine. Three additional stories were published after the book compilation was released which follow the same character for a total of seven stories, which together are more than novel-length (56k words). When last I mentioned this topic, it was said that we wanted to just include those in the general Short Fiction omnibus, but the reason I'm double checking is that there's some precedent for those to be on their own (Jack Keefe Stories, and several character-specific Wodehouse omnibuses). Do we still want those as part of this omnibus, or do we want to separate them out? I'm assuming that including them here is still what we want to do, but I wanted to put the question out there.

Second question, assuming that we do include them in this release instead of their own, do I put them all in one xhtml file named "Fred Gross Stories"? Do I name it something else? Or does each of the seven get its own separate xhtml file and I just order them sequentially in the spine? I think putting them directly adjacent to each other in some form or another makes sense because readers will likely want to read all of them in sequence, but they are ultimately seven separate stories that form one longer arc so I wasn't sure how to best present them. I think having them in one xhtml file is cleaner for grouping purposes, but I don't know if a single novel-length file is going to cause compatibility issues with any readers.

Third question: The first story was originally published as "Own Your Own Home" when published on its own in RedBook magazine. When the first four stories were published as the book "Own Your Own Home", that first story was renamed as "It's the Only Life." While the latter title is the newer one, I would prefer to use the original title if that's OK, as someone who is looking for those stories most likely knows them under the name "Own Your Own Home" and naming the first story that way will help a lot with discoverability. Is this plan acceptable?

Alex Cabal

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You could link to the Wayback Machine, that's fine. If there is a lint
error about that, just put it in the ignore file. Once this comes up for
review, I can look more closely and add an exception for the Wayback
Machine to lint.
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> >
> > The scope of this would be everything on the spreadsheet that is
> > currently public domain, excluding the plays and the stories that
> are
> > already in the Jack Keefe Stories omnibus. Every single story
> from 1930
> > or earlier has scans linked in the spreadsheet, and they've all been
> > transcribed (some are on Gutenberg, some FadedPage, some
> WikiSource, and
> > a handful on other sites). The ones that lacked transcriptions
> have all
> > been transcribed by myself in markdown and uploaded to a github repo
> > (all of the ones with github links under the transcription column
> were
> > done by me). Too many scan and transcription sources to link here,
> > they're all in the spreadsheet. All the manual transcription work is
> > already done, which should save a ton of time going forward.
> >
> > Git repo: https://github.com/homestar92/ring-lardner_short-
> fiction <https://github.com/homestar92/ring-lardner_short-fiction>
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Alex Cabal

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Jan 5, 2026, 2:29:37 PMJan 5
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Why did we decide to include Fred Gross in the omnibus initially, and
not as a separate ebook of Fred Gross stories?
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> Should I put the wayback machine link in my metadata and add a lint-
> ignore entry if the linter doesn't like the nonstandard archive.org
> <http://archive.org> URL, or should I instead link to my copy on
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>
> On Saturday, January 3, 2026 at 1:46:07 PM UTC-5 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> OK, the spreadsheet looks very good, great research!
>
> I've created a project, Weijia will be managing with Emma
> reviewing.
>
> This will be a lot of work - good luck!
>
> On 1/2/26 8:18 PM, Jon Erdman wrote:
> > I have been laying down some groundwork over the past several
> months
> > towards the goal of taking on this large project, and I think
> I'm ready
> > to do it now. I would like to do the Ring Lardner short
> fiction omnibus.
> > When all said and done, it's going to be about a half-million
> words.
> > Extremely large, but not the largest on the site.
> >
> > Spreadsheet here, just so you don't have to track down the link:
> > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <https://
> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/>
> > d/1J6ZnT3_1DHHTCWyzfSKkAbIHQqrEz4AoUI7dQdz7668
> >
> > The scope of this would be everything on the spreadsheet that is
> > currently public domain, excluding the plays and the stories
> that are
> > already in the Jack Keefe Stories omnibus. Every single story
> from 1930
> > or earlier has scans linked in the spreadsheet, and they've
> all been
> > transcribed (some are on Gutenberg, some FadedPage, some
> WikiSource, and
> > a handful on other sites). The ones that lacked
> transcriptions have all
> > been transcribed by myself in markdown and uploaded to a
> github repo
> > (all of the ones with github links under the transcription
> column were
> > done by me). Too many scan and transcription sources to link
> here,
> > they're all in the spreadsheet. All the manual transcription
> work is
> > already done, which should save a ton of time going forward.
> >
> > Git repo: https://github.com/homestar92/ring-lardner_short-
> fiction <https://github.com/homestar92/ring-lardner_short-fiction>
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Jon Erdman

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When we discussed it initially, I had been asking about producing a standalone ebook of "The Big Town" which all told comes out to less than the 40k threshold (38k-ish). There was a sidebar conversation which led to my production of My Four Weeks in France and in the same thread I also mentioned the Fred Gross stories too and you had said to just put them in the short fiction omnibus.

It's likely that I confused the matter by asking too many questions that weren't immediately relevant, or that I misinterpreted your feedback at the time. Since it's a novel-length group of stories that all follow the same main character, I do think it's very much in the same vein as Jack Keefe or Jeeves or Ukridge or Mr. Mulliner and is perfectly justifiable as its own production. If you'd rather keep those separate to be consistent with what we've done elsewhere, that makes sense to me, and I can circle back to it when I finish this omnibus, or I could work on both concurrently. The Fred Gross stories are probably going to be the most difficult part of this omnibus since they're written in an extremely idiosyncratic style just like Jack Keefe so I certainly won't complain if I get an excuse to procrastinate on those a little bit.

If you'd prefer that all of the smaller omnibuses with narrower scope get done before the big one, I could also put this omnibus on pause and focus on Fred Gross if you'd prefer. It matters little to me, I intend to do all of it so we're really just deciding the order and organization of the work.

Alex Cabal

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OK, if there are 7 stories and in total its over 50k words then you can
create a separate omnibus for Fred Gross

On 1/5/26 2:41 PM, Jon Erdman wrote:
> When we discussed it initially, I had been asking about producing a
> standalone ebook of "The Big Town" which all told comes out to less than
> the 40k threshold (38k-ish). There was a sidebar conversation which led
> to my production of /My Four Weeks in France/ and in the same thread I
> > <http://archive.org <http://archive.org>> link that doesn't match
> the usual format).
> > Should I put the wayback machine link in my metadata and add a lint-
> > ignore entry if the linter doesn't like the nonstandard
> archive.org <http://archive.org>
> > <http://archive.org <http://archive.org>> URL, or should I
> instead link to my copy on
> > github? EIther way the creator of the transcription will be named in
> > the metadata as a transcriber.
> >
> > On Saturday, January 3, 2026 at 1:46:07 PM UTC-5 Alex Cabal wrote:
> >
> > OK, the spreadsheet looks very good, great research!
> >
> > I've created a project, Weijia will be managing with Emma
> > reviewing.
> >
> > This will be a lot of work - good luck!
> >
> > On 1/2/26 8:18 PM, Jon Erdman wrote:
> > > I have been laying down some groundwork over the past several
> > months
> > > towards the goal of taking on this large project, and I think
> > I'm ready
> > > to do it now. I would like to do the Ring Lardner short
> > fiction omnibus.
> > > When all said and done, it's going to be about a half-million
> > words.
> > > Extremely large, but not the largest on the site.
> > >
> > > Spreadsheet here, just so you don't have to track down the link:
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Jon Erdman

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OK, I updated the omnibus name in the spreadsheet for those stories to indicate that they will get their own separate release. In the meantime, I will continue work on this omnibus and then I will circle back to those stories at a later time.

Jon Erdman

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I have a question about whether a word should be considered as an onomatopoeia and italicized - the word is "Blooie!". Definitely an interjection, but not sure if it's really describing a "sound".

Here's an in-context sample from the text:

Well, the count goes to three and two on McInnes and Matty comes with a curve⁠—he’s got some curve too; but Jack happened to meet it and⁠—Blooie! Down the left foul line where he always hits!

Alex Cabal

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Yes, you can italicize htat
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What are our exact criteria for when a subset of stories gets their own omnibus and when they go into the all-encompassing short fiction omnibus for the author?

I hadn't read all these stories prior to taking on this project, so I didn't know at the time, but now that I'm working on this omnibus, I'm discovering that the stories which were collected in the book "Gullible's Travels, etc" appear to be a cycle that focus on the same core cast of characters, and they do add up to over 40k words collectively (just over 43k). Should these be their own separate omnibus? Our usual pattern of {main character name} Stories wouldn't work because the narrator is nameless, so if we do spin that off into a separate omnibus, I think it would be best to just call it "Gullible's Travels, etc" as compiled originally.

If we want to do this as its own omnibus, I could pivot pretty easily but I also don't mind keeping them as a part of this one if that's the direction you'd like to go.

Jon Erdman

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I searched my repo of manual transcriptions and it looks like there's another story that seems to involve the same nameless narrator and some of his friends, but I've only skimmed, not read. But that adds uncertainty, and I don't want to jump the gun.

I don't want to read this many stories in full multiple times which would be required to make these decisions ahead of time. Would it be an acceptable workflow to go ahead and keep on going as if everything except the Fred Gross stories should go in this one, then after I've proofread and know the stories I can split them into appropriate standalone collections? I'd have to do some work twice, but reproducing the revision history on a half-dozen files wouldn't really be all that much work.

Jon Erdman

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Also, (terribly sorry about the triple post here) I think I found my cover artwork. Early Sunday Morning by Edward Hopper. Just became Public Domain on January 1st, and I actually was able to track down PD proof! Yes, it's a painting of New York while Lardner lived in and wrote about Chicago. But it's just generic "Urban 1920s America" enough that it can believably represent Chicago if you don't *know* that it's New York. But I mostly chose it because the building located front-and-center is a barber shop, and the street is empty and slightly ominous, and Lardner's most famous non-baseball story is "Haircut", a slightly ominous piece which takes place at a barber shop. Really great fit, I think. Glad I waited for 2026 to start this so I could get this 1930 painting.

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The broad rule is that if an author had various compilations published,
and those compilations include duplicates, then an omnibus is required.
Beyond that it's a matter of thinking about the author's output and how
it might or might not be categorized.

How many stories are in Gullible's Travels? at over 40k words then an
omnibus could certainly be possible.
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"Gullible's Travels, Etc." was a compilation of five short stories and they do add up to over 40k words. There is also at least one additional short story in Lardner's corpus that is told by the same unnamed narrator which was published after the book version was released. I'd have to skim the rest of the corpus to make sure those six are all of them, but I'm reasonably confident at this point that they are. The six stories aren't really a clear, continuous narrative arc from beginning to end, they're individual stories that happen to star the same unnamed character, but they all work fine as a standalone work. The way I see it, we have a few reasonable options:

1. Produce Gullible's Travels, Etc as published with just the five stories that were in that book. The sixth story featuring about its main character would then have to go in the general Short Fiction omnibus.
2. Produce an omnibus of all the stories starring this specific character. Give it some title of our own creation. Coming up with a good title will be tricky since the narrator and protagonist is unnamed. Gullible Stories, maybe, since that's an author-approved nickname for the unnamed character?
3. Everything goes in the main Short Fiction omnibus as individual stories.

I think options 2 and 3 would be my preferences. I'd hate to scatter short stories about the same character across separate collections, it would make discoverability of that sixth story really tough and also would diverge from what we did with Jack Keefe and what we plan to do with Fred Gross.

I don't think there would be a need for any other omnibuses. Every other book he released was either under 40k words or was just a "greatest hits" sort of story compilation with no thematic connections. So I think that Jack Keefe, Fred Gross, potentially Gullible if we decide to do that, and the main Short Fiction omnibus should cover his entire short fiction corpus.

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OK, let's do option 2. We can just call it "Gullible's Travels" since
the pun is important and include the 6th uncollected story anyway.
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Jon Erdman

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OK cool. I'll mark those on the spreadsheet for another omnibus to be produced later. Once I finish this omnibus, I'll take on that one because it should be really simple and then I'll do Fred Gross because that one will be pretty annoying due to its idiosyncratic style.

I had already started to produce those stories before I realized they need to be split out. Do I just delete the files from the repo or do I need to rebase the repo so that it's like they were never there at all?

Weijia Cheng

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Hi Jon, I have been on a family vacation for the last few weeks so I was not able to respond to questions, but now that I am back I will be able to respond to questions going forward.

I think it's ok just to remove the files that you are splitting off from the repo, but if the rebase is relatively easy you might as well do it to make things less confusing for your reviewer n the future.

Jon Erdman

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OK, I was able to rebase away all of the commits where I added and manipulated those specific files. There were other changes that had touched the content.opf file, so the metadata changes I will just reverse manually. That should keep things simple to rebase without breaking things while also easing the review process a lot too.

Jon Erdman

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Here's a mockup of my cover. I brought the crop in pretty tight and limited how much of the sky is visible so that more of the barber pole would be visible outside of the title box. The barber pole is the single most important feature, so I needed to make sure it was prominent. This work?

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Weijia Cheng

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Looks good to me!

Jon Erdman

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Just had a thought - should I be including the short plays in this omnibus? I had seen that some authors had separate "short plays" collections, so I assumed that we don't mix prose and drama, but then I also noticed that some Short Fiction collections, such as Tolstoy, do include both. Obviously the one full-length play he wrote wouldn't be included as it would be eligible to become a standalone ebook.

Lardner's short plays tend to be extremely short, all under 2000 words and most under 1000, so in general they're barely even one-acts, more like one-scenes. But if we want to include them, I can. They should be very quick to transcribe.

Vince

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I’ll leave the question for your manager, but I don’t believe Tolstoy’s Short Fiction includes any plays. There are a couple of short stories (labeled as such) that have a drama structure, but they’re not plays. This is fairly common; many short story authors use a drama structure for their stories from time to time. All of the ones I’ve worked on did (O. Henry, Maupassant, Saki), and I presume others as well. Amazingly (to me, anyway), it doesn’t appear that Chekhov did. His “A Play” has a play as part of the plot, but the story itself doesn’t have a drama structure.

Alex Cabal

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Short plays would go in their own "short plays" omnibus.

On 1/12/26 8:04 PM, Jon Erdman wrote:
> Just had a thought - should I be including the short plays in this
> omnibus? I had seen that some authors had separate "short plays"
> collections, so I assumed that we don't mix prose and drama, but then I
> also noticed that some Short Fiction collections, such as Tolstoy, do
> include both. Obviously the one full-length play he wrote wouldn't be
> included as it would be eligible to become a standalone ebook.
>
> Lardner's short plays tend to be extremely short, all under 2000 words
> and most under 1000, so in general they're barely even one-acts, more
> like one-scenes. But if we want to include them, I can. They should be
> very quick to transcribe.
>
> On Monday, January 12, 2026 at 8:28:17 PM UTC-5 weij...@bu.edu wrote:
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> Looks good to me!
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Jon Erdman

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Ah, OK. Lardner's short "dramas" are weird. Many of them are extremely satirical with stage directions that would make them impossible to actually perform but they do have numbered acts, and stage directions, and I presume that means they are plays and not short stories. Is that the right heuristic?

Weijia Cheng

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I would say that makes them more like short plays. What you are referring to in Tolstoy's short fiction omnibus are more like dramatic dialogues.

Jon Erdman

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Makes sense to me. And I also double checked the Bruccoli bibliography, which calls them plays. So if the world's foremost Lardner scholar calls the dramas plays, then that's probably about as clean of an editorial line as you could hope for. I'll leave them out of this collection and make a mental note to circle back in a couple years when the good ones hit PD.

Alex Cabal

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Make sure to update the spreadsheet to mark which plays go in a plays
omnibus, so we know for later.
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Jon Erdman

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Jan 14, 2026, 10:06:31 AMJan 14
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Are we considering se word-count to be the authority on word counts for the purposes of the collections policy?

Project Gutenberg *just today* dropped an edition of "The Big Town" - a collection of five short stories that form a narrative arc, presented like a novel. The transcriptions I found online that I had previously intended to use, when pasted into MS Word, adds up to 38,720, which is short of 40k words, so they were going to go in this omnibus as they are too short for a standalone release. If I take the new gutenberg text, remove all their cruft and page numbers and copy/paste it into MS Word, I get a slightly longer (but still under 40k) 38,973 (it includes a preface that my previous transcription source didn't, and that's probably the source of the extra 250 words).

However, when I run se word-count on that same html file after having removed all the gutenberg cruft, I get 40,727, which is over 40k and would mean those stories get a standalone release. I'm not sure why the discrepancy, and I'm not sure which should be treated as our gold standard. A difference of nearly 2000 words between the two tools is pretty substantial.

Jon Erdman

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Jan 14, 2026, 10:42:51 AMJan 14
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I was looking at the code for the SE tools and I think I figured out why the discrepancy.

get_word_count removes single quotes so that they aren't counted as word boundaries. But modern gutenberg productions use curly single quotes just like we do. and get_word_count is NOT removing curly single quotes. So for an author like Lardner, who uses lots of elided words, you get significantly different word counts based on whether straight or curly quotes are used in the source text. When I find and replace the curly quotes with straight quotes and run se word-count again I get a count under 40k, which matches MS Word.

So, having established that, I think that get_word_count is bugged in that it removes straight single quotes but not curly ones. And when I correct for this bug, I get a word count under 40k. Therefore, these stories are under 40k and still belong in this omnibus. Yes?

Alex Cabal

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Jan 14, 2026, 1:42:58 PMJan 14
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se word-count is how you should calculate word count, yes. Not MS Word
or anything else.

Can you send a minimal test case to demonstrate what you're referring to?
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With the bug having been fixed in the master branch of the se tools now,
I'll wait for the next release of the se tools, then run se word-count
again on "The Big Town". If it's now reporting under 40k as I suspect it
will with the bugfix in place, those five stories will remain part of this
omnibus (probably as subchapters in one larger file I presume). If the
version of se-wordcount with the bugfix applied ends up reporting over 40k
still, then I can update the spreadsheet for those stories to become a
future standalone release.

Jon Erdman

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I was wondering if we have a documented way to handle this edge case. One
of the stories has a concept that I'm not sure how to typogrify. It has an
em-dash that interrupts a sentence, but then the next sentence starts
without a paragraph break. Contextually, the speaker here is writing in her
diary, so no quotation marks. Attached is a screenshot from the scans. This
is from the story "Tour Y-10".

My gut instinct was "because{word joiner}— But" however, when I try to do
that, se clean wants to remove that space. But I'm not sure that's going to
be typographically correct because it's not a parenthetical, it's a clean
break of the sentence and it moves on to the next one. Maybe I just take
care not to let clean take out the space? Or maybe I just let the second
sentence start right after the em-dash with no space in between?

[image: Screenshot 2026-01-19 155131.png]
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Jon Erdman

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Jan 19, 2026, 3:58:04 PMJan 19
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Not sure why my messages have been rendering weirdly with these phantom
attachments. Here's the screenshot I intended to attach above. Let's see if
it works now:
Screenshot 2026-01-19 155131.png

Weijia Cheng

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Jan 19, 2026, 4:09:02 PMJan 19
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I don't think you need to do anything special. That looks fine as is.

Weijia Cheng

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Jan 19, 2026, 4:09:45 PMJan 19
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i.e., accept typogrify's changes (removing the space)

Jon Erdman

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One of the stories - The Young Immigrunts - has a byline that attributes the book to Ring W. Lardner Jr.

The story is very much actually written by Lardner Sr. and belongs in the omnibus (Lardner Jr was only four years old at the time of publication). But I'm not really sure how to present it. Do we have a standard example for fictitious bylines like this and how to present them? Do I maybe just do an hgroup for the headers for that one and format the byline as if it were a subtitle? The premise that it was written by the 4-year-old Lardner Jr. is part of the joke of the story and I'd like to preserve the joke.

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Weijia Cheng

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Alex Cabal

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Put the real byline like
https://github.com/standardebooks/poul-anderson_short-fiction/blob/master/src/epub/text/innocent-at-large.xhtml
and make an endnote explaining the situation.

On 1/21/26 12:59 AM, Jon Erdman wrote:
> One of the stories - The Young Immigrunts - has a byline that attributes
> the book to Ring W. Lardner Jr.
>
> The story is very much actually written by Lardner Sr. and belongs in
> the omnibus (Lardner Jr was only four years old at the time of
> publication). But I'm not really sure how to present it. Do we have a
> standard example for fictitious bylines like this and how to present
> them? Do I maybe just do an hgroup for the headers for that one and
> format the byline as if it were a subtitle? The premise that it was
> written by the 4-year-old Lardner Jr. is part of the joke of the story
> and I'd like to preserve the joke.
>
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> archive.org> <http://
> archive.org <http://archive.org> <http://archive.org <http://
> archive.org>>
> > > > > > > <http://archive.org <http://archive.org> <http://
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://archive.org <http://
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> > > > > > <http://archive.org <http://archive.org>>> <http://
> > > > > > > archive.org <http://archive.org> <http://
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> archive.org> <http://
> archive.org <http://archive.org> <http://archive.org <http://
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> > > > > > > archive.org <http://archive.org> <http://
> archive.org <http://archive.org>> <http://archive.org <http://
> archive.org> <http://
> > > > > > archive.org <http://archive.org>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > docs.google.com/ <http://docs.google.com/>> <https://
> > > > > > > > spreadsheets/ <https://docs.google.com/ <https://
> docs.google.com/> <https://
> > > > > > docs.google.com/ <http://docs.google.com/>> <https://
> > > > > > > docs.google.com/ <http://docs.google.com/> <http://
> docs.google.com/ <http://docs.google.com/>>>
> > > > > > > > spreadsheets/> <https://
> > > > > > > > > docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://
> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/> <http://docs.google.com/ <http://
> docs.google.com/>
> > > > > > spreadsheets/> <http://docs.google.com/ <http://
> > > > > > > spreadsheets/> <http://
> > > > > > > > docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://
> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/> <http://docs.google.com/ <http://
> docs.google.com/>
> > > > > > spreadsheets/> <http://docs.google.com/ <http://
> > > > > > > spreadsheets/>>> <https://
> > > > > > > > > > docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://
> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/> <http://docs.google.com/ <http://
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> > > > > > spreadsheets/> <http://
> > > > > > > docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://
> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/> <http://docs.google.com/ <http://
> docs.google.com/>
> > > > > > spreadsheets/>> <http://
> > > > > > > > docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://
> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/> <http://docs.google.com/ <http://
> docs.google.com/>
> > > > > > spreadsheets/> <http://docs.google.com/ <http://
> docs.google.com/> <http://docs.google.com/ <http://
> docs.google.com/>>
> > > > > > > spreadsheets/>> <http://
> > > > > > > > docs.google.com/ <http://docs.google.com/>
> > > > > > > > > spreadsheets/>> <https://
> > > > > > > > > > > docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://
> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/> <http://
> > > > > > docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://
> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/> <http://docs.google.com/ <http://
> docs.google.com/>
> > > > > > spreadsheets/>> <http://
> > > > > > > > docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://
> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/> <http://docs.google.com/ <http://
> docs.google.com/>
> > > > > > spreadsheets/> <http://docs.google.com/ <http://
> docs.google.com/> <http://docs.google.com/ <http://
> docs.google.com/>>
> > > > > > > spreadsheets/>> <http://
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> > > > > > > > > > spreadsheets/>> <https://docs.google.com/
> <https://docs.google.com/> <https://
> > > > > > docs.google.com/ <http://docs.google.com/>> <https://
> > > > > > > > <https://docs.google.com/ <https://
> docs.google.com/> <https://docs.google.com/ <https://
> > > > > > > <https://
> > > > > > > > <https://
> > > > > > > > > > docs.google.com/ <http://docs.google.com/>
> > > > > > > > > > > <https://docs.google.com/ <https://
> docs.google.com/> <https://docs.google.com/ <https://
> > > > > > > > <https://
> docs.google.com/ <http://docs.google.com/>>>> <https://
> > > > > > > > <https://docs.google.com/ <https://
> docs.google.com/> <https://docs.google.com/ <https://
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> > > > > > > > <https://docs.google.com/ <https://
> docs.google.com/> <https://docs.google.com/ <https://
> > > > > > > <https://
> > > > > > > > > > > > spreadsheets/> <https://
> > > > > > > > > > > > > docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://
> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/> <http://
> > > > > > docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://
> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/> <http://docs.google.com/ <http://
> docs.google.com/>
> > > > > > spreadsheets/>>
> > > > > > > > <http://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://
> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/>> <http://
> > > > > > spreadsheets/>>> <http://
> > > > > > > > docs.google.com/ <http://docs.google.com/>
> > > > > > > > > spreadsheets/> <http://
> > > > > > > > > > docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://
> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/> <http://docs.google.com/ <http://
> docs.google.com/>
> > > > > > spreadsheets/> <http://
> > > > > > > docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://
> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/> <http://docs.google.com/ <http://
> docs.google.com/>
> > > > > > spreadsheets/>> <http://
> > > > > > > > docs.google.com/spreadsheets/ <http://
> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/> <http://docs.google.com/ <http://
> docs.google.com/>
> > > > > > spreadsheets/> <http://docs.google.com/ <http://
> docs.google.com/> <http://docs.google.com/ <http://
> docs.google.com/>>
> > > > > > > spreadsheets/>> <http://
> > > > > > > > docs.google.com/ <http://docs.google.com/>
> > > > > > > > > spreadsheets/>> <http://docs.google.com/
> > > > > > > > > > > spreadsheets/> <http://docs.google.com/
> <https://github.com/> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/ <http://github.com/>> <https://
> > > > > > > github.com/ <http://github.com/> <http://
> github.com/ <http://github.com/>>>
> > > > > > > > homestar92/ring- <https://github.com/homestar92/
> <https://github.com/homestar92/> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ <http://github.com/homestar92/>>
> > > > > > > <https://github.com/homestar92/ <https://
> github.com/homestar92/> <https://github.com/ <https://github.com/>
> > > > > > homestar92/>>
> > > > > > > > ring-> <https://
> > > > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://github.com/
> homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/ <http://github.com/>
> > > > > > homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/ <http://
> > > > > > > homestar92/ring-> <http://
> > > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://github.com/
> homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/homestar92/ <http://
> github.com/homestar92/>
> > > > > > ring-> <http://github.com/ <http://github.com/>
> <http://github.com/ <http://github.com/>>
> > > > > > > homestar92/ring->>>
> > > > > > > > > > <https://github.com/homestar92/ring-
> <https://github.com/homestar92/ring-> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://github.com/
> homestar92/ring->> <https://
> > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://github.com/
> homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/homestar92/ <http://
> github.com/homestar92/>
> > > > > > ring->>
> > > > > > > > <https://github.com/homestar92/ring- <https://
> github.com/homestar92/ring-> <https://github.com/ <https://
> github.com/>
> > > > > > homestar92/ring-> <https://github.com/ <https://
> github.com/> <https://github.com/ <https://github.com/>>
> > > > > > > homestar92/ring->> <https://
> > > > > > > > github.com/ <http://github.com/> <http://
> github.com/ <http://github.com/>> <http://github.com/ <http://
> github.com/>
> > > > > > <http://github.com/ <http://github.com/>>> <https://
> github.com/ <https://github.com/> <https://github.com/ <https://
> github.com/>>
> > > > > > > <https://github.com/ <https://github.com/>
> <https://github.com/ <https://github.com/>>>>
> > > > > > > > > homestar92/ring->>
> > > > > > > > > > > lardner_short- <https://github.com/
> <https://github.com/> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/ <http://github.com/>> <https://
> > > > > > > github.com/ <http://github.com/> <http://
> github.com/ <http://github.com/>>>
> > > > > > > > homestar92/ring- <https://github.com/homestar92/
> <https://github.com/homestar92/> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ <http://github.com/homestar92/>>
> > > > > > > <https://github.com/homestar92/ <https://
> github.com/homestar92/> <https://github.com/ <https://github.com/>
> > > > > > homestar92/>>
> > > > > > > > ring-> <https://
> > > > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://github.com/
> homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/ <http://github.com/>
> > > > > > homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/ <http://
> > > > > > > homestar92/ring-> <http://
> > > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://github.com/
> homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/homestar92/ <http://
> github.com/homestar92/>
> > > > > > ring-> <http://github.com/ <http://github.com/>
> <http://github.com/ <http://github.com/>>
> > > > > > > homestar92/ring->>>
> > > > > > > > > > lardner_short- <https://github.com/ <https://
> github.com/> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/ <http://github.com/>> <https://
> > > > > > > github.com/ <http://github.com/> <http://
> github.com/ <http://github.com/>>>
> > > > > > > > homestar92/ring- <https://github.com/homestar92/
> <https://github.com/homestar92/> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ <http://github.com/homestar92/>>
> > > > > > > <https://github.com/homestar92/ <https://
> github.com/homestar92/> <https://github.com/ <https://github.com/>
> > > > > > homestar92/>>
> > > > > > > > ring-> <https://
> > > > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://github.com/
> homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/ <http://github.com/>
> > > > > > homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/ <http://
> > > > > > > homestar92/ring-> <http://
> > > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://github.com/
> homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/homestar92/ <http://
> github.com/homestar92/>
> > > > > > ring-> <http://github.com/ <http://github.com/>
> <http://github.com/ <http://github.com/>>
> > > > > > > homestar92/ring->>>
> > > > > > > > > > lardner_short->>
> > > > > > > > > > > > <https://github.com/homestar92/ring-
> <https://github.com/homestar92/ring-> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://github.com/
> homestar92/ring->> <https://
> > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://github.com/
> homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/homestar92/ <http://
> github.com/homestar92/>
> > > > > > ring->>
> > > > > > > > lardner_short- <https://github.com/homestar92/
> <https://github.com/homestar92/> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ <http://github.com/homestar92/
> >> <https://
> > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ <http://github.com/
> homestar92/> <http://github.com/homestar92/ <http://github.com/
> homestar92/>>>
> > > > > > > > ring-lardner_short-> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring-lardner_short- <http://
> <https://github.com/homestar92/ring-> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://github.com/
> homestar92/ring->> <https://
> > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://github.com/
> homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/homestar92/ <http://
> github.com/homestar92/>
> > > > > > ring->>
> > > > > > > > lardner_short- <https://github.com/homestar92/
> <https://github.com/homestar92/> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ <http://github.com/homestar92/
> >> <https://
> > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ <http://github.com/
> homestar92/> <http://github.com/homestar92/ <http://github.com/
> homestar92/>>>
> > > > > > > > ring-lardner_short-> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring-lardner_short- <http://
> <http://github.com/>
> > > > > > homestar92/ring-lardner_short->>
> > > > > > > > <http://github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://
> > > > > > homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/ <http://
> > > > > > > homestar92/ring->
> > > > > > > > lardner_short->>> <https://
> > > > > > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring-lardner_short-
> <http://github.com/homestar92/ring-lardner_short-> <http://
> > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring-lardner_short- <http://
> <http://github.com/>
> > > > > > homestar92/ring-lardner_short->>
> > > > > > > > <http://github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://
> > > > > > homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/ <http://
> > > > > > > homestar92/ring->
> > > > > > > > lardner_short-> <http://github.com/ <http://
> > > > > > > <http://
> > > > > > > > github.com/ <http://github.com/> <http://
> github.com/ <http://github.com/>> <http://github.com/ <http://
> > > > > > > > > homestar92/ring-lardner_short-> <http://
> > > > > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring-lardner_short-
> <http://github.com/homestar92/ring-lardner_short-> <http://
> > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring-lardner_short- <http://
> <http://github.com/>
> > > > > > homestar92/ring-lardner_short->>
> > > > > > > > <http://github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://
> > > > > > homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/ <http://
> > > > > > > homestar92/ring->
> > > > > > > > lardner_short-> <http://github.com/ <http://
> > > > > > > <http://
> > > > > > > > github.com/ <http://github.com/> <http://
> github.com/ <http://github.com/>> <http://github.com/ <http://
> > > > > > > > > homestar92/ring-lardner_short->>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > fiction <https://github.com/ <https://
> github.com/> <https://github.com/ <https://github.com/>
> > > > > > > > homestar92/ring- <https://github.com/homestar92/
> <https://github.com/homestar92/> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ <http://github.com/homestar92/>>
> > > > > > > <https://github.com/homestar92/ <https://
> github.com/homestar92/> <https://github.com/ <https://github.com/>
> > > > > > homestar92/>>
> > > > > > > > ring-> <https://
> > > > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://github.com/
> homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/ <http://github.com/>
> > > > > > homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/ <http://
> > > > > > > homestar92/ring-> <http://
> > > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://github.com/
> homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/homestar92/ <http://
> github.com/homestar92/>
> > > > > > ring-> <http://github.com/ <http://github.com/>
> <http://github.com/ <http://github.com/>>
> > > > > > > homestar92/ring->>>
> > > > > > > > > > lardner_short- <https://github.com/ <https://
> github.com/> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/ <http://github.com/>> <https://
> > > > > > > github.com/ <http://github.com/> <http://
> github.com/ <http://github.com/>>>
> > > > > > > > homestar92/ring- <https://github.com/homestar92/
> <https://github.com/homestar92/> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ <http://github.com/homestar92/>>
> > > > > > > <https://github.com/homestar92/ <https://
> github.com/homestar92/> <https://github.com/ <https://github.com/>
> > > > > > homestar92/>>
> > > > > > > > ring-> <https://
> > > > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://github.com/
> homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/ <http://github.com/>
> > > > > > homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/ <http://
> > > > > > > homestar92/ring-> <http://
> > > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://github.com/
> homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/homestar92/ <http://
> github.com/homestar92/>
> > > > > > ring-> <http://github.com/ <http://github.com/>
> <http://github.com/ <http://github.com/>>
> > > > > > > homestar92/ring->>>
> > > > > > > > > > lardner_short->
> > > > > > > > > > > fiction <https://github.com/homestar92/
> <https://github.com/homestar92/> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ <http://github.com/homestar92/
> >> <https://
> > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ <http://github.com/
> homestar92/> <http://github.com/homestar92/ <http://github.com/
> homestar92/>>>
> > > > > > > > ring- <https://github.com/homestar92/ring-
> <https://github.com/homestar92/ring-> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://github.com/
> homestar92/ring->> <https://
> > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://github.com/
> homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/homestar92/ <http://
> github.com/homestar92/>
> > > > > > ring->>>
> > > > > > > > <https://
> > > > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://github.com/
> homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/ <http://github.com/>
> > > > > > homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/ <http://
> > > > > > > homestar92/ring-> <http://
> > > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://github.com/
> homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/homestar92/ <http://
> github.com/homestar92/>
> > > > > > ring-> <http://github.com/ <http://github.com/>
> <http://github.com/ <http://github.com/>>
> > > > > > > homestar92/ring->>>
> > > > > > > > > > lardner_short-fiction <https://github.com/
> <https://github.com/> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/ <http://github.com/>> <https://
> > > > > > > github.com/ <http://github.com/> <http://
> github.com/ <http://github.com/>>>
> > > > > > > > homestar92/ring- <https://github.com/homestar92/
> <https://github.com/homestar92/> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ <http://github.com/homestar92/>>
> > > > > > > <https://github.com/homestar92/ <https://
> github.com/homestar92/> <https://github.com/ <https://github.com/>
> > > > > > homestar92/>>
> > > > > > > > ring->
> > > > > > > > > <https://github.com/homestar92/ring- <https://
> github.com/homestar92/ring-> <https://github.com/ <https://
> github.com/>
> > > > > > homestar92/ring-> <https://
> > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://github.com/
> homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/homestar92/ <http://
> github.com/homestar92/>
> > > > > > ring->>
> > > > > > > > <https://github.com/homestar92/ring- <https://
> github.com/homestar92/ring-> <https://github.com/ <https://
> github.com/>
> > > > > > homestar92/ring-> <https://github.com/ <https://
> github.com/> <https://github.com/ <https://github.com/>>
> > > > > > > homestar92/ring->>>
> > > > > > > > > > lardner_short-fiction>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > <https://github.com/homestar92/ring-
> <https://github.com/homestar92/ring-> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://github.com/
> homestar92/ring->> <https://
> > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring- <http://github.com/
> homestar92/ring-> <http://github.com/homestar92/ <http://
> github.com/homestar92/>
> > > > > > ring->>
> > > > > > > > lardner_short- <https://github.com/homestar92/
> <https://github.com/homestar92/> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ <http://github.com/homestar92/
> >> <https://
> > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ <http://github.com/
> homestar92/> <http://github.com/homestar92/ <http://github.com/
> homestar92/>>>
> > > > > > > > ring-lardner_short-> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ring-lardner_short- <http://
> <https://github.com/homestar92/> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ <http://github.com/homestar92/
> >> <https://
> > > > > > > github.com/homestar92/ <http://github.com/
> homestar92/> <http://github.com/homestar92/ <http://github.com/
> homestar92/>>>
> > > > > > > > ring-lardner_short- <https://github.com/
> <https://github.com/> <https://
> > > > > > github.com/ <http://github.com/>> <https://
> > > > > > > github.com/ <http://github.com/> <http://
> github.com/ <http://github.com/>>>
> > > > > > > > homestar92/ring-lardner_short->
> > > > > > > > > <https://github.com/homestar92/ring- <https://
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> > > > > > > > lardner_short- <https://github.com/homestar92/
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> > > > > > > > ring-lardner_short->>
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> > > > > > > > > > > <https://github.com/homestar92/ring-
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> > > > > > ring->>
> > > > > > > > lardner_short-fiction <https://github.com/
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> > > > > > > > homestar92/ring-lardner_short-fiction>
> > > > > > > > > <https://github.com/homestar92/ring- <https://
> github.com/homestar92/ring-> <https://github.com/ <https://
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> > > > > > ring->>
> > > > > > > > lardner_short-fiction <https://github.com/
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> > > > > > > > homestar92/ring-lardner_short-fiction>>
> > > > > > > > > > <https://github.com/homestar92/ring-
> <https://github.com/homestar92/ring-> <https://
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> > > > > > > > homestar92/ring-lardner_short-fiction>
> > > > > > > > > <https://github.com/homestar92/ring- <https://
> github.com/homestar92/ring-> <https://github.com/ <https://
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> > > > > > ring->>
> > > > > > > > lardner_short-fiction <https://github.com/
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> > > > > > > > homestar92/ring-lardner_short-fiction>>>>>>
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Jon Erdman

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Jan 21, 2026, 7:24:01 PMJan 21
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There's a passage in italics that I'm not 100% sure how to semanticate. The
sentence is:

The first jolt woke the Missus. It would of done the same to <em>Rip Van
Winkle.</em>

I'm assuming <em> tags are correct here. It seems to be referencing the
*character*, not the story. And so it should not be semanticated as the
title of a story, right?
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Weijia Cheng

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Jan 21, 2026, 7:46:53 PMJan 21
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