[Next Project] Pirates of Venus by Edgar Rice Burroughs

[Alexander Keane]

Standard Ebooks already has many of Edgar Rice Burroughs' other stories, the Mars stories and Tarzan stories.

It looks like Project Gutenberg has done Public Domain Clearance on the first two Venus novels, the first being Pirates of Venus.

Project Gutenberg: Pirates of Venus by Edgar Rice Burroughs | Project Gutenberg

IA Scans: Lost On Venus : Burroughs, Edgar Rice : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Proposed Repo: https://github.com/squishy-mage/edgar-rice-burrows_pirates-of-venus

[Alex Cabal]

OK, David will manage with Vince reviewing.

It looks like you found scans for the wrong book though.

Make sure to include the series metadata too.

Thanks!

On 1/26/26 4:22 PM, Alexander Keane wrote:
> Standard Ebooks already has many of Edgar Rice Burroughs' other stories,
> the Mars stories and Tarzan stories.
>
> It looks like Project Gutenberg has done Public Domain Clearance on the
> first two Venus novels, the first being Pirates of Venus.
>
> Project Gutenberg: Pirates of Venus by Edgar Rice Burroughs | Project

> Gutenberg <https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/70195>

> IA Scans: Lost On Venus : Burroughs, Edgar Rice : Free Download, Borrow,

> and Streaming : Internet Archive <https://archive.org/details/lost-on-
> venus/mode/2up>
> Proposed Repo: https://github.com/squishy-mage/edgar-rice-
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[Alexander Keane]

That is me grabbing the wrong bookmark from my potential projects.

Real IA Scans: https://archive.org/details/ace-f-179-edgar-rice-burroughs-pirates-of-venus-gorgon-776

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[Alex Cabal]

OK great. Not sure if that scan is the 1st edition cover, probably not.
If you can find the first edition maybe the cover art will be suitable.

On 1/26/26 4:47 PM, Alexander Keane wrote:
> That is me grabbing the wrong bookmark from my potential projects.
>
> Real IA Scans: https://archive.org/details/ace-f-179-edgar-rice-

> burroughs-pirates-of-venus-gorgon-776 <https://archive.org/details/ace-
> f-179-edgar-rice-burroughs-pirates-of-venus-gorgon-776>

>
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2026, 5:32 PM 'Alex Cabal' via Standard Ebooks
> <standar...@googlegroups.com

> <mailto:standar...@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>
> OK, David will manage with Vince reviewing.
>
> It looks like you found scans for the wrong book though.
>
> Make sure to include the series metadata too.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On 1/26/26 4:22 PM, Alexander Keane wrote:
> > Standard Ebooks already has many of Edgar Rice Burroughs' other
> stories,
> > the Mars stories and Tarzan stories.
> >
> > It looks like Project Gutenberg has done Public Domain Clearance
> on the
> > first two Venus novels, the first being Pirates of Venus.
> >
> > Project Gutenberg: Pirates of Venus by Edgar Rice Burroughs |
> Project

> > Gutenberg <https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/70195 <https://

> www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/70195>>
> > IA Scans: Lost On Venus : Burroughs, Edgar Rice : Free Download,
> Borrow,
> > and Streaming : Internet Archive <https://archive.org/details/

> lost-on- <https://archive.org/details/lost-on->

> > venus/mode/2up>
> > Proposed Repo: https://github.com/squishy-mage/edgar-rice-
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[Vince]

Searching for first edition hardcovers yields a few of possibilities, e.g. here and here. The second one is pretty good quality, but would need some perspective correction.

[Alexander Keane]

Had some issues pushing the initial commit. Realized that I typoed Burroughs as Burrows initially.

Actual Repo: https://github.com/squishy-mage/edgar-rice-burroughs_pirates-of-venus

[David]

It looks like there is still an "issue" with the repo - your editor is saving backup copies automatically, it looks like. We don't want `body.xhtml~` in the repo! Can you get rid of it now, before going farther? Also, make sure your editor settings won't litter the repo....

David / Fife, UK

On Tuesday, 27 January 2026 at 00:14:56 UTC Alexander Keane wrote:

Had some issues pushing the initial commit. Realized that I typoed Burroughs as Burrows initially.

Actual Repo: https://github.com/squishy-mage/edgar-rice-burroughs_pirates-of-venus

On Monday, January 26, 2026 at 6:14:33 PM UTC-5 Vince wrote:

Searching for first edition hardcovers yields a few of possibilities, e.g. here and here. The second one is pretty good quality, but would need some perspective correction.

[Alexander Keane]

I fixed the Emacs backup file and did the next few steps.

I'll take a closer look at publication history on the 1st edition cover. It appears that the text is public domain because of a lack of copyright notice in the edition used for the scans. The original cover may still be under copyright. I'm not sure if same rule applied to the images as the text.

[David]

I'm glad you tamed emacs. However, that "back-up file" is still "in the repo", although you deleted it the second commit. My understanding is that we don't want the Gutenberg text *at all* in the repo (see the bullet points under Step 6), so this might require some rebasing. In my experience, that's better done sooner than later.

As for the original cover ... IANAL, but my hunch is that you may be right. The replies by Vince and Alex above in this re: 1st edition cover *might* suggest otherwise, but a 1932 publication date could be problematic for artwork? I just don't know! If anyone does, please chime in. Otherwise, it will mean a hunt for a suitable cover image, although come 2028 the 1st edition cover could certainly be "restored".

[Vince]

Right; the book’s copyright wasn't renewed, but I have no idea if that also applies to the book's artwork; that’s a question for Alex.

The book wasn’t published until 1934, though (1932 is when it was serialized in Argosy), so if the artwork PD status doesn’t follow the text, it would be 2030 before we could use it.

[Alexander Keane]

I'll take a look at rebasing the backup file completely out. I misunderstood and first went in to just make sure it was purged going forward.

I have something coming up in semantics that I have a solution that feels right according to SEMoS but I want to verify.

I have a telegram that is inline with the text. So SEMOS 7.7.1 about blockquotes wouldn't seem to fit. So I'm thinking it would be a span with a class of telegram and an epub:type of z3998:letter?

Like:

<p>"<span class="telegram" epub:type="z3998:letter">Letter received Stop Thanks Stop Shall call on you tomorrow</span>," it read.</p>

[Alexander Keane]

Rebase is also now complete to purge the backup file and also the commit that removed the backup file.

[David]

There was some discussion about inline telegrams earlier in Google Groups; my impression is that that discussion remained inconclusive, in part because nothing about *inline* telegrams has been canonized in SEMoS (that I'm aware of), and other approaches are present in the corpus (in the absence of a SEMoS instruction).

Personally, I would handle your example with `<p>“<q class="telegram">Letter received Stop Thanks Stop Shall call on you tomorrow</q>,” it read.</p>` and then a simple `.telegram{ font-variant: all-small-caps; }` in local.css (exempli gratia).

This isn't [Editorial], but still worth putting in its own commit, as that makes any required adjustments simpler moving forward.

[David]

That's great, thanks. :) Always good to get this sort of thing straight!

[Alex Cabal]

PG reproduces the cover so they must have concluded the cover is also PD.

On 2/9/26 3:25 PM, Vince wrote:
> Right; the book’s copyright wasn't renewed, but I have no idea if that
> also applies to the book's artwork; that’s a question for Alex.
>
> The book wasn’t published until 1934, though (1932 is when it was

> serialized in /Argosy/), so if the artwork PD status doesn’t follow the

> text, it would be 2030 before we could use it.
>
>> On Feb 9, 2026, at 6:26 AM, David <djre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm glad you tamed emacs. However, that "back-up file" is still "in
>> the repo", although you deleted it the second commit. My understanding
>> is that we don't want the Gutenberg text *at all* in the repo (see the

>> bullet points under Step 6 <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/
>> producing-an-ebook-step-by-step#rough>), so this might require some

>> rebasing. In my experience, that's better done sooner than later.
>>
>> As for the original cover ... IANAL, but my hunch is that you may be
>> right. The replies by Vince and Alex above in this re: 1st edition
>> cover *might* suggest otherwise, but a 1932 publication date could be
>> problematic for artwork? I just don't know! If anyone does, please
>> chime in. Otherwise, it will mean a hunt for a suitable cover image,
>> although come 2028 the 1st edition cover could certainly be "restored".
>>
>> On Monday, 9 February 2026 at 12:16:38 UTC lxtkn wrote:
>>
>> I fixed the Emacs backup file and did the next few steps.
>>
>> I'll take a closer look at publication history on the 1st edition
>> cover. It appears that the text is public domain because of a lack
>> of copyright notice in the edition used for the scans. The
>> original cover may still be under copyright. I'm not sure if same
>> rule applied to the images as the text.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 28, 2026 at 4:53:48 AM UTC-5 David wrote:
>>
>> It looks like there is still an "issue" with the repo - your
>> editor is saving backup copies automatically, it looks like.

>> We don't want `body.xhtml~` in the repo <https://github.com/
>> squishy-mage/edgar-rice-burroughs_pirates-of-venus/blob/main/
>> src/epub/text/body.xhtml~>! Can you get rid of it now, before

>> going farther? Also, make sure your editor settings won't
>> litter the repo....
>>
>> David / Fife, UK
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[Alexander Keane]

Since PG must have cleared the 1960s cover to use it on theirs, I mocked a cover using that one.

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[Alexander Keane]

Forgot to include the original.

[David]

But we've got an issue here: that's not the 1st edition cover, but the one you've got is from ~1963 and by a different artist from the original (that Vince linked to above). The Ace edition is the work of Roy Krenkel Jr., but the original cover was by J. Allen St. John (you can see the signature in one of Vince's links).

Still, PG has the 1963 Ace Books version. Can we conclude that the 1963 version is PD, then?? If someone is adept at checking these things on PG, perhaps we could get explicit confirmation.

[Hendrik Kaiber]

Since no mentioned it, I took the liberty of contacting PG via email and asking this question directly. I'll post here if/when they answer.

—Hendrik

[Alex Cabal]

Is there a link to the original somewhere?

On 2/11/26 6:23 AM, David wrote:
> But we've got an issue here: that's not the 1st edition cover, but the

> one you've got <https://archive.org/details/ace-f-179-edgar-rice-
> burroughs-pirates-of-venus-gorgon-776/mode/2up> is from ~1963 <https://
> www.abebooks.co.uk/Pirates-Venus-1st-series-books-Burroughs/31329228248/
> bd> and by a different artist from the original (that Vince linked to

> above). The Ace edition is the work of Roy Krenkel Jr., but the original

> cover was by J. Allen St. John <https://standardebooks.org/artworks/j-
> allen-st-john> (you can see the signature in one of Vince's links).

>
> Still, PG has the 1963 Ace Books version. Can we conclude that the 1963
> version is PD, then?? If someone is adept at checking these things on
> PG, perhaps we could get explicit confirmation.
>
>
> On Wednesday, 11 February 2026 at 01:58:10 UTC lxtk...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Forgot to include the original.
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 8:09 PM Alexander Keane <lxtk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Since PG must have cleared the 1960s cover to use it on theirs,
> I mocked a cover using that one.
>
>
>

> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 2:00 PM 'Alex Cabal' via Standard Ebooks
> <standar...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> PG reproduces the cover so they must have concluded the
> cover is also PD.
>
> On 2/9/26 3:25 PM, Vince wrote:
> > Right; the book’s copyright wasn't renewed, but I have no
> idea if that
> > also applies to the book's artwork; that’s a question for
> Alex.
> >
> > The book wasn’t published until 1934, though (1932 is
> when it was
> > serialized in /Argosy/), so if the artwork PD status
> doesn’t follow the
> > text, it would be 2030 before we could use it.
> >
> >> On Feb 9, 2026, at 6:26 AM, David <djre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm glad you tamed emacs. However, that "back-up file"
> is still "in
> >> the repo", although you deleted it the second commit. My
> understanding
> >> is that we don't want the Gutenberg text *at all* in the
> repo (see the
> >> bullet points under Step 6 <https://standardebooks.org/

> contribute/ <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/>

> <https://github.com/ <https://github.com/>
> >>         squishy-mage/edgar-rice-burroughs_pirates-of-
> venus/blob/main/

> >>         src/epub/text/body.xhtml~>! Can you get rid of
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> >>         going farther? Also, make sure your editor
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> >>         litter the repo....
> >>
> >>         David / Fife, UK
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[Hendrik Kaiber]

Do you mean the 1932 cover, Alex? If so, I believe it is this one.

—Hendrik

[Hendrik Kaiber]

I got an answer who said: "The transcriber's note at the end of that book is ambiguous." I interpret this to mean that the person who answered me is also not certain of the status of the cover. The transcriber's note says "Provided an original cover image for free and unrestricted use with this eBook." but the transcriber's himself doesn't authority to grant use of an image he doesn't own the rights to, so I think we can't really be sure of the status of the cover used in the PG edition.

—Hendrik

[Alex Cabal]

OK. My guess to what happened with that ebook is that the original
producer created their own cover (an "original cover image"), but after
submitting someone else at PG replaced it with the current cover, maybe
without checking.

So, I think what we should do here is not use either cover for now. We
can make a note somewhere to revisit this in a few years and replace our
selection with the first edition cover once it becomes PD.

On 2/11/26 7:22 PM, Hendrik Kaiber wrote:
> I got an answer who said: "The transcriber's note at the end of that
> book is ambiguous." I interpret this to mean that the person who
> answered me is also not certain of the status of the cover. The
> transcriber's note says "Provided an original cover image for free and
> unrestricted use with this eBook." but the transcriber's himself doesn't
> authority to grant use of an image he doesn't own the rights to, so I
> think we can't really be sure of the status of the cover used in the PG
> edition.
>
> —Hendrik
> On Wednesday, February 11, 2026 at 1:51:57 PM UTC-3 Hendrik Kaiber wrote:
>
> Do you mean the 1932 cover, Alex? If so, I believe it is this

> <https://www.erbzine.com/mag7/pirates.jpg> one.

>
> —Hendrik
> On Wednesday, February 11, 2026 at 1:25:59 PM UTC-3 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> Is there a link to the original somewhere?
>
> On 2/11/26 6:23 AM, David wrote:
> > But we've got an issue here: that's not the 1st edition
> cover, but the
> > one you've got <https://archive.org/details/ace-f-179-edgar-

> rice- <https://archive.org/details/ace-f-179-edgar-rice->

> > burroughs-pirates-of-venus-gorgon-776/mode/2up> is from ~1963
> <https://
> > www.abebooks.co.uk/Pirates-Venus-1st-series-books-

> Burroughs/31329228248/ <http://www.abebooks.co.uk/Pirates-

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> linked to
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> the original
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[Alexander Keane]

The typography section of SEMoS only covers graphemes and phonemes but provides examples of semantics that would use pieces from the z3998 "Parts of Words" vocabulary.

So if I have a sentence that refers to the suffix y, I assume I would add semantics of z3998:suffix (which does exist).

There are a couple sections through the book that feature breaking words down into parts, so I would use things like z3998:prefix, z3998:morpheme, z3998:root as appropriate for each case, correct?

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[David]

It's *always* best to provide a link (or screenshot) to source when asking about this kind of thing. In this case, it took me a while to realize that the scans listed at the top of this thread are for a different title! :/ (If you've included those scans in your metadata, that will need to be corrected, of course.) I take it you mean this passage.

I think this best corresponds to "morpheme", and we do have examples in the corpus. It looks to me like you'll have other instances of this in your text, too.

(For reference: see the "word-part" options.) My hunch is that we want these to proliferate, though we do have one example of "suffix" in the corpus.

[David]

Last paragraph oopsie: "My hunch is that we DON'T want these to proliferate...." (Sorry about that!)

[Alexander Keane]

Morpheme rather than the more specific ones, noted!

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