Pensées by Blaise Pascal

[Matt Chan]

This work is on Gutenberg and Hathitrust, but the publication date seems late for it to be PD (1958), anyone know what gives?

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/18269

https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001799618

[Vince]

Works prior to 1964 fall out of copyright if it wasn’t renewed; that’s how we have so much science-fiction from the fifties.

[Matt Chan]

Thanks Vince. This is excellent news; I'd like to work on this next while I slowly dig away (again) on Confucius?

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[Alex Cabal]

Robin, can you manage this with David reviewing?

On 7/26/22 8:38 PM, Matt Chan wrote:
> Thanks Vince. This is excellent news; I'd like to work on this next
> while I slowly dig away (again) on Confucius?
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 9:36 PM Vince <vr_se...@letterboxes.org
> <mailto:vr_se...@letterboxes.org>> wrote:
>
> Works prior to 1964 fall out of copyright if it wasn’t renewed;
> that’s how we have so much science-fiction from the fifties.
>
>
>> On Jul 26, 2022, at 8:23 PM, Matt Chan <thew...@gmail.com

>> <mailto:thew...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> This work is on Gutenberg and Hathitrust, but the publication date
>> seems late for it to be PD (1958), anyone know what gives?
>>
>> https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/18269

>> <https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/18269>
>> https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001799618

>> <https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001799618>
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[Robin Whittleton]

Yep.

> On 27 Jul 2022, at 18:29, Alex Cabal <al...@standardebooks.org> wrote:
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> Robin, can you manage this with David reviewing?

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[Matt Chan]

Thanks Alex, Robin, and David. I will get it going!

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[David Grigg]

OK by me.

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[Matt Chan]

What do you all think is the best way to typeset this? MathML?

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[Matt Chan]

And this:

Should this be a diagram via SVG?

[Robin Whittleton]

For the first, there’s no particularly good way of doing it. I’ve in the past hacked together some CSS to do this for Tristram Shandy, so you could reuse that if you want? Example: https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/laurence-sterne/the-life-and-opinions-of-tristram-shandy-gentleman/text/chapter-7-31

For the second, definitely an SVG. Set the text as actual text nodes (with no font reference beyond serif) and the lines as lines. You can find a similar example in Pepys Diary: https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/samuel-pepys/the-diary/images/illustration-1.svg

-Robin

On 30 Jul 2022, at 01:09, Matt Chan <thew...@gmail.com> wrote:

And this:

<image.png>

Should this be a diagram via SVG?

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 7:05 PM Matt Chan <thew...@gmail.com> wrote:

What do you all think is the best way to typeset this? MathML?

<image.png>

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[Matt Chan]

Thanks Robin, that's super helpful! I'll give it a try.

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[C T]

I also did a bracketed list in The Path to Rome, check out the CSS there as well.

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[Matt Chan]

Another question, the book has an index and the transcription has transcriber's notes, do we keep any of those?

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[Robin Whittleton]

Cut them both, neither are something we’d usually keep.

-Robin

On 3 Aug 2022, at 20:46, Matt Chan <thew...@gmail.com> wrote:

Another question, the book has an index and the transcription has transcriber's notes, do we keep any of those?

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[Matt Chan]

Roger that

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[Matt Chan]

Should there be any special treatment like a no-break space for surnames that are multiple words? Like "Mr.<nbsp>La Forge"?

[Matt Chan]

If an inline quote is italicized by <i> element, do we keep them? Change it to some other element with semantics? Remove them? Or change to quotes?

E.g.

<p><em>Rivers are</em>, <abbr>etc.</abbr>⁠—Apparently suggested by a chapter in Rabelais: <i>How we descended in the isle of Odes, in which the roads walk</i>. <a href="section-1.xhtml#noteref-12" epub:type="backlink">↩</a></p>

[Matt Chan]

In an endnote with a <cite> element, does the chapter/page/etc number fall into the <cite> element or outside? E.g:

<li id="note-20" epub:type="endnote">
    <p><em xml:lang="la">Ambitiosa recidet ornamenta.</em>⁠<cite>—Horace, <i epub:type="se:name.publication.book" xml:lang="la">De Arte Poetica</i>, 447.</cite> <a href="section-1.xhtml#noteref-20" epub:type="backlink">↩</a></p>
</li>

[David Grigg]

Outside.

[Matt Chan]

Thanks David; any ideas about my previous 2 questions?

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[Alex Cabal]

Robin is managing this one, he should get to you shortly

On 8/4/22 9:08 AM, Matt Chan wrote:
> Thanks David; any ideas about my previous 2 questions?
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 10:22 PM David Grigg <david...@gmail.com
> <mailto:david...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Outside.
>
> On Thursday, 4 August 2022 at 12:06:06 UTC+10 thew...@gmail.com

>> for /Tristram Shandy/, so you could

>> reuse that if you want? Example:
>> https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/laurence-sterne/the-life-and-opinions-of-tristram-shandy-gentleman/text/chapter-7-31
>> <https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/laurence-sterne/the-life-and-opinions-of-tristram-shandy-gentleman/text/chapter-7-31>
>>
>> For the second, definitely an SVG. Set
>> the text as actual text nodes (with no
>> font reference beyond serif) and the
>> lines as lines. You can find a similar

>> example in /Pepys Diary/:
>> https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/samuel-pepys/the-diary/images/illustration-1.svg

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[Matt Chan]

Thanks Alex, no rush to Robin/David, just wanted to make sure I didn't bury my own questions

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[Robin Whittleton]

Typically no, but given that La is so short it might be worth it in this case. How does it look if you do it?.

-Robin

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[Matt Chan]

Hard to tell, I just thought it's kind of strange to keep Mr. La together but not Mr. La Forge, if that's the whole name. I can leave it alone for now.

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[Robin Whittleton]

Is this a chapter title? Either way, removing the italics and adding quote marks seems to be the correct course of action.

-Robin

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[Matt Chan]

Not a chapter title, but yes I can remove the italics and add quotes.

Robin here's a related question, in most of the end notes, it took the passage the endnote is notating and put that in italics. I'm unsure what to do with this, it uses <i>, I can change it to <em> but not sure if it makes semantic sense. I can change those to quotes as well, which makes sense in my head but not sure if that's what's accepted. Here's an example:

Endnote:

Which is quoting:

Relatedly, some of the "fragments" in each section (chapters) have "headings" of a sort. In the text they are again set with italics (<i>) followed by em dash.

Here's an example:

(I've chosen to use PG as the screenshot here since it's clearer than the book scans, rest assure that the book looks the "same")

For now I have changed the <i> to <em>, but again, not sure if that's the correct course of action?

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[Robin Whittleton]

I use a <dfn> element for those: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/text-level-semantics.html#the-dfn-element . You’d need to add a CSS to italicise dfn as well.

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Not a chapter title, but yes I can remove the italics and add quotes.

Robin here's a related question, in most of the end notes, it took the passage the endnote is notating and put that in italics. I'm unsure what to do with this, it uses <i>, I can change it to <em> but not sure if it makes semantic sense. I can change those to quotes as well, which makes sense in my head but not sure if that's what's accepted. Here's an example:

Endnote:

<image.png>

Which is quoting:

<image.png>

Relatedly, some of the "fragments" in each section (chapters) have "headings" of a sort. In the text they are again set with italics (<i>) followed by em dash.

Here's an example:

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[Matt Chan]

Got it. I will change the endnote quotes to quotation mark and get rid italics (unless foreign phrase), and use this <dfn> for body headings.

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[Matt Chan]

Double checking: do we do anything to commas and periods inside vs. outside of parentheses? Or leave as they are in transcription/page scans?