[Next project] The Middle of Things, by J. S. Fletcher

[David]

The Middle of Things came out in 1922, the same year as Scarhaven Keep, so Fletcher was keeping busy!

• PG: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/9902
• Scans: https://archive.org/details/middleofthings00fletuoft

It looks pretty straightforward; about 72K, it looks like. The transcription retains italics, so that's a plus.

David / Fife, UK

[Alex Cabal]

OK! Emma can you manage this with Lukas reviewing?

On 12/8/24 12:11 PM, David wrote:
> /The Middle of Things/ came out in 1922, the same year as /Scarhaven
> Keep/ <https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/j-s-fletcher/scarhaven-keep>,

> so Fletcher was keeping busy!
>

> * PG: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/9902
> * Scans: https://archive.org/details/middleofthings00fletuoft

>
> It looks pretty straightforward; about 72K, it looks like. The
> transcription retains italics, so that's a plus.
>
> David / Fife, UK
>

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[Emma Sweeney]

Sure, I can manage.

Emma

[Lukas Bystricky]

I can review.

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[David]

This is almost ready for review, so cover time. This evocative street scene (CC0 from Birmingham) resonates well with the November setting in London for this murder mystery (body found late one night)...

I think it works well! Thoughts? Thanks!

David / Fife, UK

[Emma Sweeney]

Looks good! I'll add it to the art db.

Emma

[David]

Thanks, Emma! One question as I try to wrap this up—

There is are three italicized strings representing broken text (with its reconstruction as a 4th) in a scrap of paper, a clue in this mystery. They look like this:

The italics get removed, of course. But for the first three, it seems to me like the ellipses should be inside the quotation marks, not outside. And, if so, then there's the question of how to "format" the ellipses, since they're representing mid-word broken context, not full-word.

There must be examples in the corpus, but I couldn't find them with Github "code search" (it didn't like looking for "non-printing unicode characters" :/).

I'm guessing this would (should?) be, e.g., for the first one: `“…[wj][hairsp][wj]sforth,”` – does that look right? or...??

Thanks! D.

[Emma Sweeney]

In CMoS 13.52, "Ellipses are normally not used before the first word of a quotation, even if the beginning of the original sentence has been omitted." Based on this rule, I say don't move the ellipses.

Since the quoted text contains partially obscured words, it seem like the best action is to add dashes in an [Editorial] commit. I'll let you decide if these call for non-breaking hyphens or two-em dashes.

Emma

[Alex Cabal]

I don't think it needs dashes for obscured words, since the character is
reading from a blotchy paper and this is not running prose per se

On 12/16/24 5:02 PM, Emma Sweeney wrote:
> In CMoS 13.52, "Ellipses are normally /not/ used before the first word

> of a quotation, even if the beginning of the original sentence has been
> omitted." Based on this rule, I say don't move the ellipses.
>
> Since the quoted text contains partially obscured words

> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.1/single-page#8.7.7.9>, it seem

> like the best action is to add dashes in an [Editorial] commit. I'll let
> you decide if these call for non-breaking hyphens

> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.1/single-page#8.7.7.9.3> or
> two-em dashes
> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.1/single-page#8.7.7.9.4>.

>
>
> Emma
> On Monday, December 16, 2024 at 6:13:31 AM UTC-5 David wrote:
>
> Thanks, Emma! One question as I try to wrap this up—
>
> There is are three italicized strings representing broken text (with
> its reconstruction as a 4th) in a scrap of paper, a clue in this
> mystery. They look like this

> <https://archive.org/details/middleofthings00fletuoft/page/248/mode/1up>:

>
> Screenshot from 2024-12-16 11-01-30.png
>
> The italics get removed, of course. But for the first three, it

> seems to me like the ellipses should be /inside/ the quotation
> marks, not /outside/. And, if so, then there's the question of how
> to "format" the ellipses,
> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.1/single-page#8.7.6> since

> they're representing mid-word broken context, not full-word.
>
> There must be examples in the corpus, but I couldn't find them with
> Github "code search" (it didn't like looking for "non-printing
> unicode characters" :/).
>

> I'm /guessing/ this would (should?) be, e.g., for the first one:

> `“…[wj][hairsp][wj]sforth,”` – does that look right? or...??
>
> Thanks! D.
>
> On Sunday, 15 December 2024 at 17:58:58 UTC Emma Sweeney wrote:
>
> Looks good! I'll add it to the art db.
>
> Emma
>

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[David]

Thank you, both – ellipses stay put (and, as Alex noted, there's nothing actually obscured here: everything there is to see is being reported).

And with that, this is ready for review, Lukas. A couple notes:

- c6 - uses the new `z3998:telegram` formatting (throws a lint error in 2.7.3, but I haven't added a "lint-ignore" file); since I noticed it, I thought I'd use it.
- c25 - has styling to match this sign: https://archive.org/details/middleofthings00fletuoft/page/258/mode/1up

I think that's it - thanks!

D.

On Tuesday, 17 December 2024 at 04:32:44 UTC Alex Cabal wrote:

I don't think it needs dashes for obscured words, since the character is
reading from a blotchy paper and this is not running prose per se

On 12/16/24 5:02 PM, Emma Sweeney wrote:
> In CMoS 13.52, "Ellipses are normally /not/ used before the first word
> of a quotation, even if the beginning of the original sentence has been
> omitted." Based on this rule, I say don't move the ellipses.
>
> Since the quoted text contains partially obscured words
> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.1/single-page#8.7.7.9>, it seem
> like the best action is to add dashes in an [Editorial] commit. I'll let
> you decide if these call for non-breaking hyphens
> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.1/single-page#8.7.7.9.3> or
> two-em dashes
> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.1/single-page#8.7.7.9.4>.
>
>
> Emma
> On Monday, December 16, 2024 at 6:13:31 AM UTC-5 David wrote:
>
> Thanks, Emma! One question as I try to wrap this up—
>
> There is are three italicized strings representing broken text (with
> its reconstruction as a 4th) in a scrap of paper, a clue in this

> mystery. . . .

[Lukas Bystricky]

Sounds good. I'll get to this in the next couple days.

[Lukas Bystricky]

Very good work as always David. I've filed a couple very small things to look at. 

[Lukas Bystricky]

Alright Alex, this is ready for you.

[Alex Cabal]

This ebook was produced by David Reimer. Thanks David!

Ebook URL:
https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/j-s-fletcher/the-middle-of-things

GitHub URL:
https://github.com/standardebooks/j-s-fletcher_the-middle-of-things

[Alex Cabal]

Looks good, I've released it, thanks.

Note that `z3998:telegram` does not exist in the z3998 vocabulary.
Rather, the new style is `epub:type="z3998:letter" class="telegram"`
with styling on the class and not the epub:type.

On 12/21/24 5:32 AM, Lukas Bystricky wrote:
> Alright Alex, this is ready for you.
>
> On Saturday, December 21, 2024 at 7:39:32 AM UTC+1 Lukas Bystricky wrote:
>
> Very good work as always David. I've filed a couple very small
> things to look at.
>
> On Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 7:00:31 PM UTC+1 Lukas Bystricky wrote:
>
>
> Sounds good. I'll get to this in the next couple days.
> On Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 11:05:33 AM UTC+1 David wrote:
>
> Thank you, both – ellipses stay put (and, as Alex noted,

> there's nothing actually /obscured/ here: everything there

> is to see is being reported).
>
> And with that, this is ready

> <https://github.com/dajare/j-s-fletcher_the-middle-of-things> for review, Lukas. A couple notes:

>
> - c6 - uses the new `z3998:telegram` formatting

> <https://groups.google.com/g/standardebooks/c/f9vEddasAg4/m/_R0NdJosAQAJ> (throws a lint error in 2.7.3, but I haven't added a "lint-ignore" file); since I noticed it, I thought I'd use it.

> - c25 - has styling to match this sign:

> https://archive.org/details/middleofthings00fletuoft/page/258/mode/1up <https://archive.org/details/middleofthings00fletuoft/page/258/mode/1up>

>
> I think that's it - thanks!
>
> D.
>
> On Tuesday, 17 December 2024 at 04:32:44 UTC Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> I don't think it needs dashes for obscured words, since
> the character is
> reading from a blotchy paper and this is not running
> prose per se
>
> On 12/16/24 5:02 PM, Emma Sweeney wrote:
> > In CMoS 13.52, "Ellipses are normally /not/ used
> before the first word
> > of a quotation, even if the beginning of the original
> sentence has been
> > omitted." Based on this rule, I say don't move the
> ellipses.
> >
> > Since the quoted text contains partially obscured words
> >

> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.1/single-page#8.7.7.9 <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.1/single-page#8.7.7.9>>, it seem

> > like the best action is to add dashes in an
> [Editorial] commit. I'll let
> > you decide if these call for non-breaking hyphens
> >

> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.1/single-page#8.7.7.9.3 <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.1/single-page#8.7.7.9.3>> or
> > two-em dashes
> >
> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.1/single-page#8.7.7.9.4 <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.1/single-page#8.7.7.9.4>>.

> >
> >
> > Emma
> > On Monday, December 16, 2024 at 6:13:31 AM UTC-5
> David wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Emma! One question as I try to wrap this up—
> >
> > There is are three italicized strings representing
> broken text (with
> > its reconstruction as a 4th) in a scrap of paper, a
> clue in this
>
> > mystery. . . .
>

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