Blackwood / Review

[king....@gmail.com]

I confirmed yesterday that I’ve exhausted all sources available to me. At least one new source becomes available next year. This turned out to be rather difficult, somewhat complicated, and is a bit long. I’m pleased with it, though. There are plenty of collections out there, but none like this, and there are narratives that make their way across titles, through the collection that I don’t think would be evident in other collections or perhaps to the original readers. I hope youngsters will come to appreciate “Uncle Henry.”

Repository

https://github.com/kingrpaul/algernon-blackwood_short-fiction

Project Page

https://kingrpaul.github.io/algernon-blackwood///index.html

Items in red could not be included, usually due to no available source. Please share, anyone who might have sources that I do not have. Items in yellow are redundant with works that were produced. I transcribed the ones (many) where no transcript is indicated. Most have transcripts on Wikisource, many of those came from me, so no need to bother with them. None (I think) went the other way. The project page should be clear, if not let me know.

Sources were of variable text quality, some not great. I found some new ways to detect errors and proofed vigorously.

[Alex Cabal]

Robin, do you have time to review this?

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[Weijia Cheng]

I thought I was on the hook for this? From the original thread https://groups.google.com/g/standardebooks/c/EVYZiqwpmVY/m/yHEI4OhNAQAJ

[Alex Cabal]

Ah yes! I must have lost track. Thanks!

[Weijia Cheng]

Ok, this is going to be a big review so I will get back to you as soon as I'm available! It may take a bit of time before I have it all done.

[Weijia Cheng]

Paul, I started taking a look at your repository and it is clearly a monumental undertaking. I am impressed by what you have put together and how much thought you have put into curating and organizing it. That being said, this collection doesn't seem like it is organized in the way the Collections Policy would dictate omnibus collections to be organized. For instance, we would almost certainly want an omnibus with all of the poetry (e.g. this one) separated out from the prose, and I'm not sure the collections policy would accept book reviews like this one inside of a essays omnibus, much less a short fiction collection. I see your argument that "when Blackwood writes, the categories of fiction, non-fiction, and autobiography become indistinct," and I see that you have a clear editorial and curatorial vision for this collection, but the approach you've taken seems very fundamentally different from the rest of our corpus and what's outlined in our collections policy. Alex, can you take a look at the project structure and comment on what you think should be done with this before I go forward with any review?

[Alex Cabal]

Weijia is correct. "Short Fiction" means prose fiction under 40k words.
Anything not in that category - like poetry, fiction > 40k words, plays,
etc., does not go in this collection (though it can go in their own
collection, or as individual ebooks for fiction > 40k words).

On 6/8/23 9:07 PM, Weijia Cheng wrote:
> Paul, I started taking a look at your repository and it is clearly a
> monumental undertaking. I am impressed by what you have put together and
> how much thought you have put into curating and organizing it. That
> being said, this collection doesn't seem like it is organized in the way
> the Collections Policy

> <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/collections-policy> would dictate

> omnibus collections to be organized. For instance, we would almost
> certainly want an omnibus with all of the poetry (e.g. this one

> <https://github.com/kingrpaul/algernon-blackwood_short-fiction/blob/main/src/epub/text/my-old-tunes.xhtml>) separated out from the prose, and I'm not sure the collections policy would accept book reviews like this one <https://github.com/kingrpaul/algernon-blackwood_short-fiction/blob/main/src/epub/text/mrs-gurneys-poems.xhtml> inside of a essays omnibus, much less a short fiction collection. I see your argument that "when Blackwood writes, the categories of fiction, non-fiction, and autobiography become indistinct," and I see that you have a clear editorial and curatorial vision for this collection, but the approach you've taken seems very fundamentally different from the rest of our corpus and what's outlined in our collections policy. Alex, can you take a look at the project structure <https://kingrpaul.github.io/algernon-blackwood///index.html> and comment on what you think should be done with this before I go forward with any review?

>
> On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 6:09:17 AM UTC-7 Weijia Cheng wrote:
>
> Ok, this is going to be a big review so I will get back to you as
> soon as I'm available! It may take a bit of time before I have it
> all done.
>
> On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 12:28:14 PM UTC-7 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> Ah yes! I must have lost track. Thanks!
>
>
> On June 3, 2023 2:04:04 PM CDT, Weijia Cheng
> <weijia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I thought I was on the hook for this? From the original
> thread

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[Paul King]

Everything in the collection is <40k words. There is one play. There are 8 verse works, totalling << 40k words. I’ve labeled works as fiction or non- as best I could though interpretations may differ. What I’m hearing is that I need to remove any title from the collection whose body type is not indicated as “z3998:fiction" or whose article type is not indicated as "se:short-story" or "se:novella".

It will be useful for me to put this smaller collection in a repository branch. Will that create a problem?

[Alex Cabal]

The main repo should not have branches for other ebooks. You should
create a new repo for those, but we have to explore how to organize them
first.

Don't look at how you categorized the semantics, rather look at what the
requirements are:

Short fiction should only contain prose fiction work <= 40k words.

Anything else should be either produced individually or in a different
collection, depending on its length and what it is.

Weijia can you coordinate with Paul to figure out how to approach this?

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[Weijia Cheng]

Sure, what I’ll do is look through the collection and suggest an approach of how to split this up. I have an idea of how we can do that without too much hassle.

[Weijia Cheng]

Ok, I spent like an hour and a half skimming through the collection and sorting everything into a couple of different categories: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/130sDHz3rFudKxenAPi_segf-4V0yTGaeVjTyYBv8P3M/edit?usp=sharing

My conclusion is that this collection needs to be broken down into four separate books so that it isn't a "complete works"-type omnibus which the collections policy explicitly disallows. Also, a handful of texts need to be cut for reasons I explain in the spreadsheet.

The four books you will have in the end are:

• Short Fiction, containing most of the short stories and novellas you have included in your collection,
• Essays (tentative title), which should have the autobiographical/travelogue nonfiction essays and some of the other "experience" essays,
• Poetry, containing all of the poems (yes, I know there are only a few so this will be tiny, but that's the collections policy), and
  
• Karma as a standalone ebook.
  

This is going to be slightly tricky, though because we want to split up a monolithic repository while keeping the commit history intact. Alex, here's my idea of how we should go about doing this:

1. I'm going to review the current complete repository as it is, and go through the normal review process. For this first review we aren't going to restructure
   
2. Once I am satisfied with the review, you should make four copies of the complete repository (one for each of the four books you will have in the end), with all of the commit history.
3. In the copies of the repository (renamed to Short Fiction, Essays, Poetry, and Karma) you delete all of the texts that shouldn't be in each of the sub-collections.
4. SE will publish each of the four ebooks (Short Fiction, Essays, Poetry, and Karma) as distinct ebooks.
5. If you want, you can still self-publish the original complete works ebook independently of SE, since I can see that it represents your own editorial vision of how Blackwood's works should be presented (even though it doesn't match the SE editorial policy).

Alex and Paul, does this approach make sense to you? I'm hoping that this should be a satisfying compromise for everyone. Let me know if you have any questions.

[Paul King]

Should be able to split the repository. Let me know what's next.

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[Alex Cabal]

Weijia can you give me access to this spreadsheet?

On 6/10/23 5:54 PM, Weijia Cheng wrote:
> Ok, I spent like an hour and a half skimming through the collection and
> sorting everything into a couple of different categories:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/130sDHz3rFudKxenAPi_segf-4V0yTGaeVjTyYBv8P3M/edit?usp=sharing
>
> My conclusion is that this collection needs to be broken down into four
> separate books so that it isn't a "complete works"-type omnibus which
> the collections policy explicitly disallows. Also, a handful of texts
> need to be cut for reasons I explain in the spreadsheet.
>
> The four books you will have in the end are:
>

> * /Short Fiction/, containing most of the short stories and novellas

> you have included in your collection,

> * /Essays/ (tentative title), which should have the

> autobiographical/travelogue nonfiction essays and some of the other
> "experience" essays,

> * /Poetry/, containing all of the poems (yes, I know there are only a

> few so this will be tiny, but that's the collections policy), and

> * /Karma/ as a standalone ebook.

>
> This is going to be slightly tricky, though because we want to split up
> a monolithic repository while keeping the commit history intact. Alex,
> here's my idea of how we should go about doing this:
>

> 1. I'm going to review the current complete repository
> <https://github.com/kingrpaul/algernon-blackwood_short-fiction> as

> it is, and go through the normal review process. For this first
> review we aren't going to restructure

> 2. Once I am satisfied with the review, you should make four copies of

> the complete repository (one for each of the four books you will
> have in the end), with all of the commit history.

> 3. In the copies of the repository (renamed to /Short Fiction, Essays,
> Poetry, /and/Karma/) you delete all of the texts that shouldn't be

> in each of the sub-collections.

> 4. SE will publish each of the four ebooks (/Short Fiction, Essays,
> Poetry, /and/Karma/) as distinct ebooks.
> 5. If you want, you can still self-publish the original complete works

> <https://github.com/kingrpaul/algernon-blackwood_short-fiction/blob/main/src/epub/text/my-old-tunes.xhtml <https://github.com/kingrpaul/algernon-blackwood_short-fiction/blob/main/src/epub/text/my-old-tunes.xhtml>>) separated out from the prose, and I'm not sure the collections policy would accept book reviews like this one <https://github.com/kingrpaul/algernon-blackwood_short-fiction/blob/main/src/epub/text/mrs-gurneys-poems.xhtml <https://github.com/kingrpaul/algernon-blackwood_short-fiction/blob/main/src/epub/text/mrs-gurneys-poems.xhtml>> inside of a essays omnibus, much less a short fiction collection. I see your argument that "when Blackwood writes, the categories of fiction, non-fiction, and autobiography become indistinct," and I see that you have a clear editorial and curatorial vision for this collection, but the approach you've taken seems very fundamentally different from the rest of our corpus and what's outlined in our collections policy. Alex, can you take a look at the project structure <https://kingrpaul.github.io/algernon-blackwood///index.html <https://kingrpaul.github.io/algernon-blackwood///index.html>> and comment on what you think should be done with this before I go forward with any review?

> >>>
> >>> On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 6:09:17 AM UTC-7 Weijia Cheng
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>     Ok, this is going to be a big review so I will get back
> to you as
> >>>     soon as I'm available! It may take a bit of time before
> I have it
> >>>     all done.
> >>>
> >>>     On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 12:28:14 PM UTC-7 Alex
> Cabal wrote:
> >>>
> >>>         Ah yes! I must have lost track. Thanks!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         On June 3, 2023 2:04:04 PM CDT, Weijia Cheng
> >>> <weijia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>             I thought I was on the hook for this? From the
> original
> >>>             thread
> >>>

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[Weijia Cheng]

Opps, try again? 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/130sDHz3rFudKxenAPi_segf-4V0yTGaeVjTyYBv8P3M/edit

[Alex Cabal]

OK, I've had a look and this is excellent work Weijia, thanks. I agree
with your assessment and I think the proposed approach to splitting them
would work fine. Let me know as progress continues. Thanks!

On 6/13/23 2:55 PM, Weijia Cheng wrote:
> Opps, try again?
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/130sDHz3rFudKxenAPi_segf-4V0yTGaeVjTyYBv8P3M/edit
>
> On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 9:39:02 AM UTC-7 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> Weijia can you give me access to this spreadsheet?
>
> On 6/10/23 5:54 PM, Weijia Cheng wrote:
> > Ok, I spent like an hour and a half skimming through the
> collection and
> > sorting everything into a couple of different categories:
> >

> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/130sDHz3rFudKxenAPi_segf-4V0yTGaeVjTyYBv8P3M/edit?usp=sharing <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/130sDHz3rFudKxenAPi_segf-4V0yTGaeVjTyYBv8P3M/edit?usp=sharing>

> <https://github.com/kingrpaul/algernon-blackwood_short-fiction/blob/main/src/epub/text/my-old-tunes.xhtml <https://github.com/kingrpaul/algernon-blackwood_short-fiction/blob/main/src/epub/text/my-old-tunes.xhtml> <https://github.com/kingrpaul/algernon-blackwood_short-fiction/blob/main/src/epub/text/my-old-tunes.xhtml <https://github.com/kingrpaul/algernon-blackwood_short-fiction/blob/main/src/epub/text/my-old-tunes.xhtml>>>) separated out from the prose, and I'm not sure the collections policy would accept book reviews like this one <https://github.com/kingrpaul/algernon-blackwood_short-fiction/blob/main/src/epub/text/mrs-gurneys-poems.xhtml <https://github.com/kingrpaul/algernon-blackwood_short-fiction/blob/main/src/epub/text/mrs-gurneys-poems.xhtml> <https://github.com/kingrpaul/algernon-blackwood_short-fiction/blob/main/src/epub/text/mrs-gurneys-poems.xhtml <https://github.com/kingrpaul/algernon-blackwood_short-fiction/blob/main/src/epub/text/mrs-gurneys-poems.xhtml>>> inside of a essays omnibus, much less a short fiction collection. I see your argument that "when Blackwood writes, the categories of fiction, non-fiction, and autobiography become indistinct," and I see that you have a clear editorial and curatorial vision for this collection, but the approach you've taken seems very fundamentally different from the rest of our corpus and what's outlined in our collections policy. Alex, can you take a look at the project structure <https://kingrpaul.github.io/algernon-blackwood///index.html <https://kingrpaul.github.io/algernon-blackwood///index.html> <https://kingrpaul.github.io/algernon-blackwood///index.html <https://kingrpaul.github.io/algernon-blackwood///index.html>>> and comment on what you think should be done with this before I go forward with any review?

> > >>>
> > >>> On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 6:09:17 AM UTC-7 Weijia Cheng
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>     Ok, this is going to be a big review so I will get back
> > to you as
> > >>>     soon as I'm available! It may take a bit of time before
> > I have it
> > >>>     all done.
> > >>>
> > >>>     On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 12:28:14 PM UTC-7 Alex
> > Cabal wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>         Ah yes! I must have lost track. Thanks!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>         On June 3, 2023 2:04:04 PM CDT, Weijia Cheng
> > >>> <weijia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>             I thought I was on the hook for this? From the
> > original
> > >>>             thread
> > >>>
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[Weijia Cheng]

Ok, now that we've gotten the collation figured out, I'm going to start a review of the collection soon. Might have to wait until this weekend, depending on how busy I am.

[Weijia Cheng]

Still working on the review; I've just been really swamped with work lately :( I'll work through the rest of the review as soon as I can!

[Weijia Cheng]

Going to do another review batch soon! Sorry for the trickle of feedback but this is such a huge project and I have been very busy these last few weeks. I promise I will do what I can to see this through the finish line.

[Weijia Cheng]

Hi Paul,

I am sorry about the time it is taking to get through this project. This is such a huge project that it has been very difficult for me to make satisfactory progress on reviewing it. Part of the challenge is that (as I've mentioned earlier) this project needs to be broken down into four separate repositories, and another part of the challenge is the sheer number of commits that makes the sort of fine-grained review I normally do very time-consuming.

I've raised this with the other editors and we've decided that the easiest way to get this across the finishing line is to divide the project into the four final repositories I previously mentioned (Short Fiction, Essays, Poetry, Karma), then divide up the work of reviewing the four repositories among several editors. Vince has shared the git-filter-repo tool with me and I did some experimentation with it. What I just did was use it to filter out Karma and its associated commits to its own repository as a proof of concept. As you can see the repo has only the 13 commits pertaining to Karma and the only file is the Karma source file.

You can create your own copy of the Karma repository, break the play down into the individual files for each section like any other play, add back the other necessary files (images, CSS, metadata, etc.), and then raise the updated repository for review once you are done. I can manage the overall effort, but Alex might assign someone else to review Karma. Then, once you are done with Karma, I will break out Poetry, then the Essays, then finally the Short Fiction. As we discussed before, you can keep the original repository around as a record of what you envision the collection to be, but for the work to be on SE we need to break it up into the genre collections.

Hope this makes sense. Please feel free to ask me any questions you have!

[Paul King]

I'll take a look.

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https://github.com/kingrpaul/algernon-blackwood_karma

[Weijia Cheng]

Hi Paul, can you break this up into the normal play file structure? Like having acts and the dramatis personae in their own individual files.

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https://github.com/kingrpaul/algernon-blackwood_karma/commit/cfbdab9c5e0063aa1bbb0f531094440cc3df9a56

[Weijia Cheng]

Ok, I filed some issues here. I had to do it on my repo because you can't file issues on a fork.

One thing I want to call out is that we probably want a different cover art for this play than we previously picked out for the entire collection (which no longer includes this play anymore). Did you have anything in mind?

[Paul King]

I’ll let you know what I find. May take a little time. 4 covers total then?

Also, seems worth mentioning, ‘Sambo & Snitch’ would probably be the first title to stand-alone, content-wise. I expect you’d noticed. I almost suggested breaking it out it while transcribing, but didn’t, and half-expect this question will eventually come up. If it’s to be 5 covers instead of 4, it would be helpful to know that while searching.

-Paul

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[Weijia Cheng]

Sambo and Snitch is 28k words, so it would still fall under the short fiction length. So we only need four covers.

[Paul King]

Okay

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