[First Project]

[Igor Dikiy]

I really like golden age detective novels, so I would like to start with Mignon G. Eberhart's The Patient in Room 18. 

Transcription in Project Gutenberg: https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/75384

Internet Archive has scans, although it's from a later published version: https://archive.org/details/patientinroom1800eber

I have also secured a physical copy via interlibrary loan.

Please let me know whether I can proceed.

[Vince Rice]

Alex will have to approve the choice, but we require PD scans where available. HathiTrust has some here; there might be others elsewhere.

[Igor Dikiy]

Thanks, I missed the Hathi Trust source.

I also forgot to mention that this book is on the list of wanted books.

Best,

Igor

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[Alex Cabal]

Great, that one would be a good start.

You could technically use the scans you found at Internet Archive
because they have a 1929 copyright date, but IA has incorrectly put them
behind a borrow wall so we can't download them to archive them. So, use
the Hatghis cans for now, which we can download to archive.

Keep the dedication but cut the "note" at the beginning. Since you have
front matter in the form of a dedication, you will have to include a
half title page. See the manual for copy and paste.

Since the title has a numeral (18) you will have to add an alternatee
title in the metadata spelling it out (eighteen). This is to facilitate
searches. Also see the manual for how to do this.

Make sure to read the Standard Ebooks Manual of Style before starting,
as you won't know what to fix if you haven't read the standards. In
particular, please closely review the semantics, high level patterns,
and typography sections:

https://standardebooks.org/manual

https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics

https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-structural-patterns

https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography

The step by step guide will take you from start to finish:

https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-by-step

This page on common issues in older books may be useful:

https://standardebooks.org/contribute/how-tos/common-issues-when-working-on-public-domain-ebooks

Please email often if you have any questions at all. Our standards are
well-established so there is probably already a standard for formatting
whatever problem you've encountered.

When you're ready, email back with a link to your Github repository so
that I can mark you as having started.

Have fun! :)

On 7/5/25 9:21 PM, Igor Dikiy wrote:
> I really like golden age detective novels, so I would like to start with

> Mignon G. Eberhart's /The Patient in Room 18/.

>
> Transcription in Project Gutenberg: https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/75384
>
> Internet Archive has scans, although it's from a later published
> version: https://archive.org/details/patientinroom1800eber
>
> I have also secured a physical copy via interlibrary loan.
>
> Please let me know whether I can proceed.
>

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[Igor Dikiy]

I've started a GitHub repository: https://github.com/idikiy/mignon-g-eberhart_the-patient-in-room-18

There's a Transcriber's Note in the PG version mostly listing fixed typographical errors - include that or not?

Thanks,

Igor

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[Alex Cabal]

No, cut that.

Lukas will manage this with David reviewing.

On 7/6/25 7:21 PM, Igor Dikiy wrote:
> I've started a GitHub repository: https://github.com/idikiy/mignon-g-

> eberhart_the-patient-in-room-18 <https://github.com/idikiy/mignon-g-
> eberhart_the-patient-in-room-18>

>
> There's a Transcriber's Note in the PG version mostly listing fixed
> typographical errors - include that or not?
>
> Thanks,
> Igor
>
> On Sun, Jul 6, 2025 at 2:14 PM Alex Cabal <al...@standardebooks.org
> <mailto:al...@standardebooks.org>> wrote:
>
> Great, that one would be a good start.
>
> You could technically use the scans you found at Internet Archive
> because they have a 1929 copyright date, but IA has incorrectly put
> them
> behind a borrow wall so we can't download them to archive them. So, use
> the Hatghis cans for now, which we can download to archive.
>
> Keep the dedication but cut the "note" at the beginning. Since you have
> front matter in the form of a dedication, you will have to include a
> half title page. See the manual for copy and paste.
>
> Since the title has a numeral (18) you will have to add an alternatee
> title in the metadata spelling it out (eighteen). This is to facilitate
> searches. Also see the manual for how to do this.
>
> Make sure to read the Standard Ebooks Manual of Style before starting,
> as you won't know what to fix if you haven't read the standards. In
> particular, please closely review the semantics, high level patterns,
> and typography sections:
>
> https://standardebooks.org/manual <https://standardebooks.org/manual>
>

> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics <https://
> standardebooks.org/manual/latest/4-semantics>
>
> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-structural-
> patterns <https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/7-high-level-
> structural-patterns>
>
> https://standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography <https://
> standardebooks.org/manual/latest/8-typography>

>
> The step by step guide will take you from start to finish:
>
> https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-by-

> step <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/producing-an-ebook-step-
> by-step>

>
> This page on common issues in older books may be useful:
>
> https://standardebooks.org/contribute/how-tos/common-issues-when-

> working-on-public-domain-ebooks <https://standardebooks.org/
> contribute/how-tos/common-issues-when-working-on-public-domain-ebooks>

>
> Please email often if you have any questions at all.  Our standards are
> well-established so there is probably already a standard for formatting
> whatever problem you've encountered.
>
> When you're ready, email back with a link to your Github repository so
> that I can mark you as having started.
>
> Have fun! :)
>
>
> On 7/5/25 9:21 PM, Igor Dikiy wrote:
> > I really like golden age detective novels, so I would like to
> start with
> > Mignon G. Eberhart's /The Patient in Room 18/.
> >
> > Transcription in Project Gutenberg: https://gutenberg.org/

> ebooks/75384 <https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/75384>

> >
> > Internet Archive has scans, although it's from a later published
> > version: https://archive.org/details/patientinroom1800eber
> <https://archive.org/details/patientinroom1800eber>
> >
> > I have also secured a physical copy via interlibrary loan.
> >
> > Please let me know whether I can proceed.
> >
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[Igor Dikiy]

A few questions: 

“The woman says ‘Explain’! Explain that I’ve gone straight off my head about a girl! ..." - In this case, should the ! after Explain be within the single quotes?

Or what about the ? here? “I believe your words were ‘I’d give my very soul for money’?” inquired the coroner nastily.

The story takes place in a hospital called St. Ann's - is there a semantic keyword for the St. abbreviation, which appears quite a lot?

Thanks!

Igor

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[Lukas Bystricky]

Generally punctuation goes inside quotation marks, but in both those examples the ending punctuation belongs to the outer speaker so you can leave them as is.

St. should be wrapped in abbr tags. Semanticate should take care of that. 

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[Igor Dikiy]

Thanks!

Another question: there's an in-line reference to a newspaper headline (see scan below).  Semanticate is putting it into <span class="sc">, is there a more specific semantic term for newspaper headline?

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[Lukas Bystricky]

Semanticate is doing that? I've never seen that, and I can't reproduce it. Unless something has changed we put small caps inside <b> tags as per 4.1.2.3. In any case there aren't any special semantics for newspaper headlines. 

[David Reimer]

No, `<span class="sc">` isn't the work of `se semanticate`: that's markup left over from the Project Gutenberg formatting. I generally do a search for `class="` around the moment of "splitting" body.xhtml into chapters to see how much of this kind of things the transcription contains.

FWIW!

David / Fife, UK

On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 at 06:03, Lukas Bystricky wrote:

Semanticate is doing that? I've never seen that, and I can't reproduce it. Unless something has changed we put small caps inside <b> tags as per 4.1.2.3. In any case there aren't any special semantics for newspaper headlines. 

[Igor Dikiy]

Thanks, Lukas and David!

You are right, semanticate is not doing that.  I just checked with git diff and this formatting was there from the original transcription.  I'll do that search for `class="` and replace this one with <b>...

Thanks!

Igor

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[Igor Dikiy]

Another question: is changing hyphenation in times, e.g. "twelve-thirty" to "twelve thirty," considered an Editorial change?

[Lukas Bystricky]

That's a typogrify change that's specifically covered by our style guide so you don't need to mark it editorial. 

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[Igor Dikiy]

Thanks, Lukas.  Sorry, it seems I'm doing some of these changes out of order, which is leading to my confusion.

Another couple of questions:

- The text has "M'h'm" and "H'm'm" a couple of times, does this count as elision (right quote) or stretching out a word (hyphen)?

- Should "en masse" be italicized?  It is in the original text and transcription, but I believe now it's considered "English enough."  It's in M-W.

- Does in-line text of a letter or telegram need a semantic flag of some sort?  Additionally, I can't find one specific to telegrams, would "letter" do?

- This book uses a couple of line breaks to indicate time has passed within a chapter.  The transcription in PG has rendered them as <hr/>.  Is that Ok to leave or do we have a better way of dealing with that?  Additionally, one of the break in the page scans is denoted by "*****," another just by an extra line space.  Any difference between those?

Thanks,

Igor

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[Lukas Bystricky]

No problem at all. I'll take your questions in order:

1. Right quotes 

2. No, any word that appears in the abridged MW that isn't specifically marked as a foreign phrase is not set in italics by default.

3. You'll want letter semantics and also the telegram class. See https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.3/single-page#7.7.2

4. Unless there is some specific reason (e.g. the stars are referenced in the text) then I think you can treat those all using <hr/>

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[Christopher Hapka]

Additionally, one of the break in the page scans is denoted by "*****," another just by an extra line space.  Any difference between those?

Are the stars at the top or bottom of a page?  Publishers often used whitespace to indicate a break in the middle of a page, but stars or a line to indicate that there's a break across a page where it might not be obvious otherwise.

Chris

[Igor Dikiy]

Thanks, Chris.  The stars were at the top of page while the empty space was mid-page.  So that explains it.

[Igor Dikiy]

Another few questions:

- Should the half-title page be in en-GB or en-US?

- There is a use of "A.M" without an appended time, should it still be turned into lowercase? "Sent laundry this <abbr class="eoc">A.M.</abbr> Am getting nervous about second watch."

Thanks!

Igor

[Lukas Bystricky]

The half-title page should have the same language as the rest of the book; I guess en-GB in this case.

Interesting question about A.M. I'd be inclined to treat it as normal and put it in lowercase. Maybe put this in a separate commit though so it's clear and easy to revert later if needed.