[Proposal] Friedrich Engels - The Condition of the Working Class in England

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Robin Whittleton

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Jun 3, 2026, 11:58:32 AMJun 3
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I’m considering this as a possible next production (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Condition_of_the_Working_Class_in_England) but I’m not 100 that it fits into our collections policy. It is objectively facts-based, but it set Engels down an important path, and remains in publication (e.g. https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/133234/the-condition-of-the-working-class-in-england-by-engels-friedrich-ed-victor-kiernan-intro-tristram-hunt/9780141191102).

Thoughts?

-Robin

Alex Cabal

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Sure, you could do it. I would classify it as an interesting exception
since it influenced what might have been the defining political movement
of the 20th century

On 6/3/26 10:58 AM, Robin Whittleton wrote:
> I’m considering this as a possible next production (see https://
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Condition_of_the_Working_Class_in_England
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> The_Condition_of_the_Working_Class_in_England>) but I’m not 100 that it
> fits into our collections policy <https://standardebooks.org/contribute/
> collections-policy>. It is objectively facts-based, but it set Engels
> down an important path, and remains in publication (e.g. https://
> www.penguin.co.uk/books/133234/the-condition-of-the-working-class-in-
> england-by-engels-friedrich-ed-victor-kiernan-intro-tristram-
> hunt/9780141191102 <https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/133234/the-
> condition-of-the-working-class-in-england-by-engels-friedrich-ed-victor-
> kiernan-intro-tristram-hunt/9780141191102>).
>
> Thoughts?
>
> -Robin
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Robin Whittleton

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OK, repo at https://github.com/robinwhittleton/friedrich-engels_the-condition-of-the-working-class-in-england_florence-kelley-wischnewetzky

I’m using scans from https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.22153 which have the same 1892 publication date as the transcription at https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/17306. The transcription seems to be missing the dedication / call-to-arms (https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.22153/page/XX/mode/1up) so I’ve added that.

-Robin

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Alex Cabal

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Jun 5, 2026, 1:41:54 PMJun 5
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OK, Weijia will manage with Emma reviewing.

On 6/5/26 12:06 PM, Robin Whittleton wrote:
> OK, repo at https://github.com/robinwhittleton/friedrich-engels_the-
> condition-of-the-working-class-in-england_florence-kelley-wischnewetzky
> <https://github.com/robinwhittleton/friedrich-engels_the-condition-of-
> the-working-class-in-england_florence-kelley-wischnewetzky>
>
> I’m using scans from https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.22153
> <https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.22153> which have the
> same 1892 publication date as the transcription at https://
> www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/17306 <https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/17306>.
> The transcription seems to be missing the dedication / call-to-arms
> (https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.22153/page/XX/mode/1up
> <https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.22153/page/XX/mode/1up>)
> standardebooks/8FB2C255-A083-4671-99EF-50CAD987D56F%40reala.net
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Weijia Cheng

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Jun 5, 2026, 5:50:15 PMJun 5
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Ok, noted!

Robin Whittleton

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Jun 21, 2026, 11:43:39 AM (3 days ago) Jun 21
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Having a bit of trouble with cover art for this. We could go with something like Ford Madox Ford’s Work which does try to depict a whole bunch of the social strata of the time (well, a decade later, but 🤷‍♂️). But it seems broadly more cheery that Engel’s book makes the dire situation out to be.

Alternatively, something like Meunier’s In the Black Country has more of the feel right, but Engel’s primarily focused on manufacturing factories, and the painting doesn’t have any people in it. And it’s the wrong Black Country, being Belgium’s Black Country.

Another option would be something like Cormon’s The Forge, as it’s got the right atmosphere of dust and generally unsafe conditions. But it’s 50 years too late, and metal working is only touched on in the book. It’s also all men, with no women and children to be seen.

Thoughts? Anything better immediately come to mind?

-Robin

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Robin Whittleton

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Jun 21, 2026, 11:47:49 AM (3 days ago) Jun 21
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…Ford Madox Brown that is.

I forgot to mention that there are two G. F. Watts that would be pretty good: https://watts-col.adlibhosting.com/Details/collect/163 and https://watts-col.adlibhosting.com/Details/collect/203. But I can’t find photographic evidence, and the museum is non-commercial reuse only. I’ve emailed them to see if they’d consider relicensing their corpus as CC0; highly unlikely, but one can hope! (They’re a nice museum, I used to go regularly when I lived in the UK.)

-Robin

On 21 Jun 2026, at 17:43, Robin Whittleton <ro...@reala.net> wrote:

Having a bit of trouble with cover art for this. We could go with something like Ford Madox Ford’s Work which does try to depict a whole bunch of the social strata of the time (well, a decade later, but 🤷‍♂️). But it seems broadly more cheery that Engel’s book makes the dire situation out to be.

Alternatively, something like Meunier’s In the Black Country has more of the feel right, but Engel’s primarily focused on manufacturing factories, and the painting doesn’t have any people in it. And it’s the wrong Black Country, being Belgium’s Black Country.

Another option would be something like Cormon’s The Forge, as it’s got the right atmosphere of dust and generally unsafe conditions. But it’s 50 years too late, and metal working is only touched on in the book. It’s also all men, with no women and children to be seen.

Thoughts? Anything better immediately come to mind?

-Robin

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Weijia Cheng

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Jun 21, 2026, 11:52:18 AM (3 days ago) Jun 21
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Ok, I set Work as the cover art for now. Let me know if you end up deciding on something else.

Robin Whittleton

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Jun 21, 2026, 11:53:22 AM (3 days ago) Jun 21
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I was more asking if you had an opinion 🙂

On 21 Jun 2026, at 17:52, 'Weijia Cheng' via Standard Ebooks <standar...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Ok, I set Work as the cover art for now. Let me know if you end up deciding on something else.

Robin Whittleton

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After a bit more digging I finally found proof for The Seamstress. If you’re happy with this can you approve and reassign? https://standardebooks.org/artworks/g-f-watts/the-seamstress

Weijia Cheng

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Jun 21, 2026, 12:40:28 PM (3 days ago) Jun 21
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Sorry, I misread your second message as "Ford Madox Ford it is"!

Apparently I don't have permission to remove the book assignment from Work, so Alex will have to reassign the painting I think.

Robin Whittleton

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OK, I’ll let Alex do that then. As you approved, I’ve pushed everything up to https://github.com/robinwhittleton/friedrich-engels_the-condition-of-the-working-class-in-england_florence-kelley-wischnewetzky so this is now ready for review Emma.

Notes:
  • The transcription didn’t have the dedication but the scans did, so I included it.
  • I didn’t convert any numbers from decimals as this is a very fact based book rather than a novel.
  • I left the “in 1844” off from the title as that’s the current common usage.
  • The tables don’t quite fit on a standard page. I’ve left them at standard size, but potentially we could drop the size slightly.
  • 11 typos submitted to PG.

I think the rest should be as usual.

-Robin

Alex Cabal

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Jun 21, 2026, 1:10:36 PM (3 days ago) Jun 21
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OK, I've reassigned it. Great find for the topic!

On 6/21/26 11:40 AM, 'Weijia Cheng' via Standard Ebooks wrote:
> Sorry, I misread your second message as "Ford Madox Ford it is"!
>
> Apparently I don't have permission to remove the book assignment from /
> Work/, so Alex will have to reassign the painting I think.
>
> On Sunday, June 21, 2026 at 12:21:07 PM UTC-4 robin wrote:
>
> After a bit more digging I finally found proof for /The Seamstress/.
> If you’re happy with this can you approve and reassign? https://
> standardebooks.org/artworks/g-f-watts/the-seamstress <https://
> standardebooks.org/artworks/g-f-watts/the-seamstress>
>
>> On 21 Jun 2026, at 17:52, 'Weijia Cheng' via Standard Ebooks
>> <standar...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, I set /Work/ as the cover art for now. Let me know if you end
>> up deciding on something else.
>>
>> On Sunday, June 21, 2026 at 11:47:49 AM UTC-4 robin wrote:
>>
>> …Ford Madox Brown that is.
>>
>> I forgot to mention that there are two G. F. Watts that would
>> be pretty good: https://watts-col.adlibhosting.com/Details/
>> collect/163 <https://watts-col.adlibhosting.com/Details/
>> collect/163> and https://watts-col.adlibhosting.com/Details/
>> collect/203 <https://watts-col.adlibhosting.com/Details/
>> collect/203>. But I can’t find photographic evidence, and the
>> museum is non-commercial reuse only. I’ve emailed them to see
>> if they’d consider relicensing their corpus as CC0; highly
>> unlikely, but one can hope! (They’re a nice museum, I used to
>> go regularly when I lived in the UK.)
>>
>> -Robin
>>
>>> On 21 Jun 2026, at 17:43, Robin Whittleton <ro...@reala.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Having a bit of trouble with cover art for this. We could go
>>> with something like Ford Madox Ford’s /Work/ <https://
>>> standardebooks.org/artworks/ford-madox-brown/work> which does
>>> try to depict a whole bunch of the social strata of the time
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_(painting)> (well, a
>>> decade later, but 🤷‍♂️). But it seems broadly more cheery
>>> that Engel’s book makes the dire situation out to be.
>>>
>>> Alternatively, something like Meunier’s /In the Black
>>> Country/ <https://standardebooks.org/artworks/constantin-
>>> meunier/in-the-black-country> has more of the feel right, but
>>> Engel’s primarily focused on manufacturing factories, and the
>>> painting doesn’t have any people in it. And it’s the wrong
>>> Black Country, being Belgium’s Black Country.
>>>
>>> Another option would be something like Cormon’s /The Forge/
>>> <https://standardebooks.org/artworks/fernand-cormon/the-
>>> forge>, as it’s got the right atmosphere of dust and
>>> generally unsafe conditions. But it’s 50 years too late, and
>>> metal working is only touched on in the book. It’s also all
>>> men, with no women and children to be seen.
>>>
>>> Thoughts? Anything better immediately come to mind?
>>>
>>> -Robin
>>>
>>> <thumbnail_11b60174de3df3fcdf455e6792fcb96d185a5a4d_EBOK_portrait.jpg>
>>>
>>> <thumbnail_11b60174de3df3fcdf455e6792fcb96d185a5a4d_EBOK_portrait.jpg>
>>>
>>> <thumbnail_11b60174de3df3fcdf455e6792fcb96d185a5a4d_EBOK_portrait.jpg>
>>>
>>>> On 5 Jun 2026, at 23:50, 'Weijia Cheng' via Standard Ebooks
>>>> <standar...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ok, noted!
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, June 5, 2026 at 1:41:54 PM UTC-4 Alex Cabal wrote:
>>>>
>>>> OK, Weijia will manage with Emma reviewing.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/5/26 12:06 PM, Robin Whittleton wrote:
>>>> > OK, repo athttps://github.com/robinwhittleton/
>>>> friedrich-engels_the- <https://github.com/
>>>> robinwhittleton/friedrich-engels_the->
>>>> > condition-of-the-working-class-in-england_florence-
>>>> kelley-wischnewetzky
>>>> > <https://github.com/robinwhittleton/friedrich-
>>>> engels_the-condition-of- <https://github.com/
>>>> robinwhittleton/friedrich-engels_the-condition-of->
>>>> > the-working-class-in-england_florence-kelley-
>>>> wischnewetzky>
>>>> >
>>>> > I’m using scans fromhttps://archive.org/details/
>>>> in.ernet.dli.2015.22153 <https://archive.org/details/
>>>> in.ernet.dli.2015.22153>
>>>> > <https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.22153
>>>> <https://archive.org/details/
>>>> in.ernet.dli.2015.22153>> which have the
>>>> > same 1892 publication date as the transcription at
>>>> https://
>>>> >www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/17306 <http://
>>>> www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/17306><https://
>>>> www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/17306 <https://
>>>> www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/17306>>.
>>>> > The transcription seems to be missing the dedication /
>>>> call-to-arms
>>>> > (https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.22153/
>>>> page/XX/mode/1up <https://archive.org/details/
>>>> in.ernet.dli.2015.22153/page/XX/mode/1up>
>>>> > <https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.22153/
>>>> page/XX/mode/1up <https://archive.org/details/
>>>> in.ernet.dli.2015.22153/page/XX/mode/1up>>)
>>>> > so I’ve added that.
>>>> >
>>>> > -Robin
>>>> >
>>>> >> On 3 Jun 2026, at 19:59, 'Alex Cabal' via Standard Ebooks
>>>> >> <standar...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Sure, you could do it. I would classify it as an
>>>> interesting exception
>>>> >> since it influenced what might have been the defining
>>>> political
>>>> >> movement of the 20th century
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 6/3/26 10:58 AM, Robin Whittleton wrote:
>>>> >>> I’m considering this as a possible next production
>>>> (see https://
>>>> >>>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>>>> The_Condition_of_the_Working_Class_in_England <http://
>>>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
>>>> The_Condition_of_the_Working_Class_in_England>
>>>> >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ <https://
>>>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/>
>>>> >>> The_Condition_of_the_Working_Class_in_England>) but
>>>> I’m not 100 that
>>>> >>> it fits into our collections policy <https://
>>>> standardebooks.org/ <https://standardebooks.org/>
>>>> >>> contribute/ collections-policy>. It is objectively
>>>> facts-based, but
>>>> >>> it set Engels down an important path, and remains in
>>>> publication
>>>> >>> (e.g. https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/133234/the-
>>>> condition-of-the- <http://www.penguin.co.uk/
>>>> books/133234/the-condition-of-the->
>>>> >>> working-class-in- england-by-engels-friedrich-ed-
>>>> victor-kiernan-
>>>> >>> intro-tristram- hunt/9780141191102 <https://
>>>> www.penguin.co.uk/ <https://www.penguin.co.uk/>
>>>> >>> books/133234/the- condition-of-the-working-class-in-
>>>> england-by-
>>>> >>> engels-friedrich-ed-victor- kiernan-intro-tristram-
>>>> hunt/9780141191102>).
>>>> >>> Thoughts?
>>>> >>> -Robin
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Great work! I filed a few minor issues in the repository.

Emma

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Alex, this is ready for you.

Emma

Alex Cabal

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Looks great Robin, I've released it! Thanks!

On 6/22/26 6:52 AM, Emma Sweeney wrote:
> Alex, this is ready for you.
>
> Emma
> On Sunday, June 21, 2026 at 9:50:40 PM UTC-4 Emma Sweeney wrote:
>
> Great work! I filed a few minor issues in the repository.
>
> Emma
> On Sunday, June 21, 2026 at 1:10:36 PM UTC-4 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> OK, I've reassigned it. Great find for the topic!
>
> On 6/21/26 11:40 AM, 'Weijia Cheng' via Standard Ebooks wrote:
> > Sorry, I misread your second message as "Ford Madox Ford it is"!
> >
> > Apparently I don't have permission to remove the book
> assignment from /
> > Work/, so Alex will have to reassign the painting I think.
> >
> > On Sunday, June 21, 2026 at 12:21:07 PM UTC-4 robin wrote:
> >
> > After a bit more digging I finally found proof for /The
> Seamstress/.
> > If you’re happy with this can you approve and reassign? https://
> > standardebooks.org/artworks/g-f-watts/the-seamstress <http://
> standardebooks.org/artworks/g-f-watts/the-seamstress> <https://
> > standardebooks.org/artworks/g-f-watts/the-seamstress <http://
> >>> standardebooks.org/artworks/ford-madox-brown/work <http://
> standardebooks.org/artworks/ford-madox-brown/work>> which does
> >>> try to depict a whole bunch of the social strata of the time
> >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_(painting) <https://
> >>>> > OK, repo athttps://github.com/robinwhittleton/ <http://
> github.com/robinwhittleton/>
> >>>> friedrich-engels_the- <https://github.com/ <https://
> github.com/>
> >>>> robinwhittleton/friedrich-engels_the->
> >>>> > condition-of-the-working-class-in-england_florence-
> >>>> kelley-wischnewetzky
> >>>> > <https://github.com/robinwhittleton/friedrich- <https://
> github.com/robinwhittleton/friedrich->
> >>>> engels_the-condition-of- <https://github.com/ <https://
> github.com/>
> >>>> robinwhittleton/friedrich-engels_the-condition-of->
> >>>> > the-working-class-in-england_florence-kelley-
> >>>> wischnewetzky>
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I’m using scans fromhttps://archive.org/details/
> <http://archive.org/details/>
> >>>> in.ernet.dli.2015.22153 <https://archive.org/details/
> >>>> <https://archive.org/details/ <https://archive.org/details/>
> >>>> in.ernet.dli.2015.22153>> which have the
> >>>> > same 1892 publication date as the transcription at
> >>>> https://
> >>>> >www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/17306 <http://www.gutenberg.org/
> ebooks/17306> <http://
> >>>> www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/17306 <http://www.gutenberg.org/
> ebooks/17306>><https://
> >>>> www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/17306 <http://www.gutenberg.org/
> ebooks/17306> <https://
> >>>> www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/17306 <http://www.gutenberg.org/
> ebooks/17306>>>.
> >>>> > The transcription seems to be missing the dedication /
> >>>> call-to-arms
> >>>> > (https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.22153/
> <https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.22153/>
> >>>> page/XX/mode/1up <https://archive.org/details/ <https://
> archive.org/details/>
> >>>> in.ernet.dli.2015.22153/page/XX/mode/1up>
> >>>> > <https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.22153/
> <https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.22153/>
> >>>> page/XX/mode/1up <https://archive.org/details/ <https://
> archive.org/details/>
> >>>> in.ernet.dli.2015.22153/page/XX/mode/1up>>)
> >>>> > so I’ve added that.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > -Robin
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> On 3 Jun 2026, at 19:59, 'Alex Cabal' via Standard Ebooks
> >>>> >> <standar...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Sure, you could do it. I would classify it as an
> >>>> interesting exception
> >>>> >> since it influenced what might have been the defining
> >>>> political
> >>>> >> movement of the 20th century
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On 6/3/26 10:58 AM, Robin Whittleton wrote:
> >>>> >>> I’m considering this as a possible next production
> >>>> (see https://
> >>>> >>>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/>
> >>>> The_Condition_of_the_Working_Class_in_England <http://
> >>>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/>
> >>>> The_Condition_of_the_Working_Class_in_England>
> >>>> >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ <https://
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/> <https://
> >>>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/>>
> >>>> >>> The_Condition_of_the_Working_Class_in_England>) but
> >>>> I’m not 100 that
> >>>> >>> it fits into our collections policy <https://
> >>>> standardebooks.org/ <http://standardebooks.org/> <https://
> standardebooks.org/ <https://standardebooks.org/>>
> >>>> >>> contribute/ collections-policy>. It is objectively
> >>>> facts-based, but
> >>>> >>> it set Engels down an important path, and remains in
> >>>> publication
> >>>> >>> (e.g. https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/133234/the-
> <https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/133234/the->
> >>>> condition-of-the- <http://www.penguin.co.uk/ <http://
> www.penguin.co.uk/>
> >>>> books/133234/the-condition-of-the->
> >>>> >>> working-class-in- england-by-engels-friedrich-ed-
> >>>> victor-kiernan-
> >>>> >>> intro-tristram- hunt/9780141191102 <https://
> >>>> www.penguin.co.uk/ <http://www.penguin.co.uk/> <https://
> www.penguin.co.uk/ <https://www.penguin.co.uk/>>
> >>>> >>> books/133234/the- condition-of-the-working-class-in-
> >>>> england-by-
> >>>> >>> engels-friedrich-ed-victor- kiernan-intro-tristram-
> >>>> hunt/9780141191102>).
> >>>> >>> Thoughts?
> >>>> >>> -Robin
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