[Next Project] The New State by Mary Parker Follett

[Lukas Bystricky]

I'd like to make this my next project.

PG: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/73755

Scans: https://archive.org/details/cu31924016856209

The scans have the author as M. P. Follet, should we follow suit? It does seem like she's more commonly known elsewhere as Mary Parker, including in a more recent reprinting of this book. 

[Alex Cabal]

Sure, you can expand the name.

David can you manage this with Vince reviewing?

> <https://archive.org/details/newstategrouporg0000foll> of this book.
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[David]

Can do!

David / Fife, UK

[Lukas Bystricky]

The fraction 1/500,000 came up, which I think based on SEMoS 8.8.6.2 I should convert to a "proper" fraction using superscripts and subscripts. I think the comma might be a problem. Based on the discussion here (from 8 years ago, so possibly dated), it seems the best I can do is to make something that looks like a comma. Should I try and do that? Or should I leave out the comma, or maybe just forget making it into a proper fraction at all? 

[Alex Cabal]

You're right, there doesn't seem to be a subscript comma in Unicode.
Just use a regular comma for now, it's going to look weird but there are
no other options.

On 7/6/24 2:40 PM, Lukas Bystricky wrote:
> The fraction 1/500,000 came up, which I think based on SEMoS 8.8.6.2

> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.0/single-page#8.8.6.2>I should

> convert to a "proper" fraction using superscripts and subscripts. I
> think the comma might be a problem. Based on the discussion here

> <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/34350441/is-there-an-unicode-symbol-for-superscript-comma>(from 8 years ago, so possibly dated), it seems the best I can do is to make something that looks like a comma. Should I try and do that? Or should I leave out the comma, or maybe just forget making it into a proper fraction at all?

>
> On Saturday, June 29, 2024 at 11:18:19 PM UTC+2 David wrote:
>
> Can do!
>
> David / Fife, UK
>
> On Saturday 29 June 2024 at 22:01:25 UTC+1 Alex Cabal wrote:
>
> Sure, you can expand the name.
>
> David can you manage this with Vince reviewing?
>
> On 6/29/24 8:42 AM, Lukas Bystricky wrote:
> > I'd like to make this my next project.
> >
> > PG: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/73755
> <https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/73755>
> > <https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/73755
> <https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/73755>>
> > Scans: https://archive.org/details/cu31924016856209
> <https://archive.org/details/cu31924016856209>

> > <https://archive.org/details/cu31924016856209
> <https://archive.org/details/cu31924016856209>>

> >
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[Lukas Bystricky]

I struggled to find a good cover, but I settled on this:

To my eye it captures interconnectedness and the ability to examine multiple perspectives, both of which are themes of the book. My only concern is that it might be "too sci-fi". If that's the consensus I can keep looking. 

In any case it's a nice painting, and I've submitted to the DB here. 

[David]

I've scanned Follett's Wikipedia page – and the image seems to me to have a good resonance with her work and (I think!) this one.

I've gone ahead and confirmed / assigned to this production.

D.

[Lukas Bystricky]

Ok Vince, I think this is ready for review: https://github.com/lukasbystricky/mary-parker-follett_the-new-state

[Vince]

Very good, I’ll try to get to it tomorrow.

[Vince]

Great work as always, Lukas. Review issue filed in GitHub; there are a couple of instances of editorial and non-editorial being mixed in the same commit, but I don’t think they’ll too bad to fix.

[Vince]

Alex, I believe this is ready for you. A couple of things for you to look at:

1. There is a ordered list that has quotes on the list items in ch. 27. Lukas handled this with CSS that has absolute positioning on it. I’m not sure whether we want to use that in an ebook, but I didn’t have any better ideas, so I’m leaving it with you. For the record, since the list is in a blockquote, I don’t think the quotes are needed, anyway. (If it matters, note that the CSS does not work on Apple Books; it does not display the opening quote.)
2. The book is broken up into four parts, which have an epub type of “part.” But part 3 is also broken up into three subsections, and those are also have an epub type of “part.” I’ve asked about this specific thing three times, and never gotten an answer, so I’ll also leave this with you as to whether that’s OK.

[Vince]

Shoot, I forgot one. Lukas changed the short description, so it’s no longer a question for this particular production, but for overall.

SEMoS 9.6.1.2 says that short descriptions should not contain proper names, but we have numerous instances in the corpus that have them, e.g. Portrait of the Artist, King Solomon’s Mines, Tarzan the Terrible, Le Morte d’Arthur (there’s always one of mine when things like this come up), Herodotus’ Histories, Queen Victoria, etc. There are also all of the Shorts collections, but I assume those are valid exceptions.

The question is whether the above (and the other non-Short ones) are OK, and therefore maybe we need to maybe clarify valid exceptions in SEMoS, or whether the above should be corrected.

[Alex Cabal]

That just means that you shouldn't use character names in short
descriptions because they're meaningless in a lone sentence. "Bob meets
Sally and they get married" is a poor description compared to "A wealthy
steel baron meets a poor street sweeper and they get married."

If the book "Queen Victoria" has the name "Queen Victoria" in the short
description, then that's fine, there's no room for ambiguity there.

On 7/21/24 1:31 PM, Vince wrote:
> Shoot, I forgot one. Lukas changed the short description, so it’s no
> longer a question for this particular production, but for overall.
>
> SEMoS 9.6.1.2

> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.8.0/single-page#9.6.1.2> says that

> short descriptions should not contain proper names, but we have numerous

> instances in the corpus that have them, e.g. /Portrait of the Artist/,
> /King Solomon’s Mines/, /Tarzan the Terrible/, /Le Morte
> d’Arthur/ (there’s always one of mine when things like this come up),
> Herodotus’ /Histories/, /Queen Victoria/, etc. There are also all of the

> Shorts collections, but I assume those are valid exceptions.
>
> The question is whether the above (and the other non-Short ones) are OK,
> and therefore maybe we need to maybe clarify valid exceptions in SEMoS,
> or whether the above should be corrected.
>
>> On Jul 21, 2024, at 1:24 PM, Vince <vr_se...@letterboxes.org> wrote:
>>
>> Alex, I believe this is ready for you. A couple of things for you to
>> look at:
>>

>> 1. There is a ordered list that has quotes on the list items in ch.

>> 27. Lukas handled this with CSS that has absolute positioning on
>> it. I’m not sure whether we want to use that in an ebook, but I
>> didn’t have any better ideas, so I’m leaving it with you. For the
>> record, since the list is in a blockquote, I don’t think the
>> quotes are needed, anyway. (If it matters, note that the CSS does
>> not work on Apple Books; it does not display the opening quote.)

>> 2. The book is broken up into four parts, which have an epub type of

>> “part.” But part 3 is also broken up into three subsections, and
>> those are also have an epub type of “part.” I’ve asked about this
>> specific thing three times, and never gotten an answer, so I’ll
>> also leave this with you as to whether that’s OK.
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 20, 2024, at 4:48 PM, Vince <vr_se...@letterboxes.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Great work as always, Lukas. Review issue filed in GitHub; there are
>>> a couple of instances of editorial and non-editorial being mixed in
>>> the same commit, but I don’t think they’ll too bad to fix.
>>>
>>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 4:13 PM, Vince <vr_se...@letterboxes.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Very good, I’ll try to get to it tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 1:12 PM, Lukas Bystricky
>>>>> <lukasby...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok Vince, I think this is ready for

>>>>> review:https://github.com/lukasbystricky/mary-parker-follett_the-new-state <https://github.com/lukasbystricky/mary-parker-follett_the-new-state>

>>>>
>>>
>>
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[Alex Cabal]

Looks very good Lukas, thanks! I've released it.

On 7/21/24 1:24 PM, Vince wrote:
> Alex, I believe this is ready for you. A couple of things for you to
> look at:
>

> 1. There is a ordered list that has quotes on the list items in ch. 27.

> Lukas handled this with CSS that has absolute positioning on it. I’m
> not sure whether we want to use that in an ebook, but I didn’t have
> any better ideas, so I’m leaving it with you. For the record, since
> the list is in a blockquote, I don’t think the quotes are needed,
> anyway. (If it matters, note that the CSS does not work on Apple
> Books; it does not display the opening quote.)

> 2. The book is broken up into four parts, which have an epub type of

> “part.” But part 3 is also broken up into three subsections, and
> those are also have an epub type of “part.” I’ve asked about this
> specific thing three times, and never gotten an answer, so I’ll also
> leave this with you as to whether that’s OK.
>
>
>> On Jul 20, 2024, at 4:48 PM, Vince <vr_se...@letterboxes.org> wrote:
>>
>> Great work as always, Lukas. Review issue filed in GitHub; there are a
>> couple of instances of editorial and non-editorial being mixed in the
>> same commit, but I don’t think they’ll too bad to fix.
>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 4:13 PM, Vince <vr_se...@letterboxes.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Very good, I’ll try to get to it tomorrow.
>>>
>>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 1:12 PM, Lukas Bystricky
>>>> <lukasby...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ok Vince, I think this is ready for

>>>> review:https://github.com/lukasbystricky/mary-parker-follett_the-new-state <https://github.com/lukasbystricky/mary-parker-follett_the-new-state>

>>>
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