[2026 Project] As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
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Erin
Oct 15, 2025, 2:00:17 AM (13 days ago) Oct 15
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I'm currently searching for cover art. The book follows the family of a woman from rural Mississippi as they attempt to transport a coffin containing her body back to her hometown.
There is an important plot point involving a horse, which explains the cover of the Vintage edition. There is also an important plot point involving a barn. So the artwork "The Earl of Coventry's Horse" from the DB might work: https://standardebooks.org/artworks/benjamin-marshall/the-earl-of-coventrys-horse
Another idea is a fish, such as this or this painting by William Merritt Chase. One of the most famous things about the book is the chapter that consists of the line "My mother is a fish.", thought by the youngest child in the family. Presumably leading up to this, there are scenes involving an actual fish in earlier chapters.
What do you think?
Other obvious options would be wagons or rural Mississippi. I haven't had much luck with those yet but if neither the horse nor fish works I'll keep looking. Coffins don't seem to be a popular subject for oil paintings.
Alex Cabal
Oct 15, 2025, 5:04:02 PM (12 days ago) Oct 15
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Of those choices I think the horse is the best. We don't do black and
white covers so the black and white fish is out, and other fish would be
obscured by the title box.
On 10/15/25 1:00 AM, Erin wrote:
> I'm currently searching for cover art. The book follows the family of a
> woman from rural Mississippi as they attempt to transport a coffin
> containing her body back to her hometown.
>
> There is an important plot point involving a horse, which explains the
> cover of the Vintage edition <https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/356600/as-
> i-lay-dying-by-william-faulkner/9781446485514>. There is also an
> collection/search/10467> or this <https://www.nga.gov/artworks/195635-
> english-cod> painting by William Merritt Chase. One of the most famous
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white covers so the black and white fish is out, and other fish would be
obscured by the title box.
On 10/15/25 1:00 AM, Erin wrote:
> I'm currently searching for cover art. The book follows the family of a
> woman from rural Mississippi as they attempt to transport a coffin
> containing her body back to her hometown.
>
> There is an important plot point involving a horse, which explains the
> i-lay-dying-by-william-faulkner/9781446485514>. There is also an
> important plot point involving a barn. So the artwork "The Earl of
> Coventry's Horse" from the DB might work: https://standardebooks.org/
> artworks/benjamin-marshall/the-earl-of-coventrys-horse
>
> Another idea is a fish, such as this <https://www.metmuseum.org/art/
> Coventry's Horse" from the DB might work: https://standardebooks.org/
> artworks/benjamin-marshall/the-earl-of-coventrys-horse
>
> collection/search/10467> or this <https://www.nga.gov/artworks/195635-
> english-cod> painting by William Merritt Chase. One of the most famous
> things about the book is the chapter that consists of the line "My
> mother is a fish.", thought by the youngest child in the family.
> Presumably leading up to this, there are scenes involving an actual fish
> in earlier chapters.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Other obvious options would be wagons or rural Mississippi. I haven't
> had much luck with those yet but if neither the horse nor fish works
> I'll keep looking. Coffins don't seem to be a popular subject for oil
> paintings.
>
> --
> mother is a fish.", thought by the youngest child in the family.
> Presumably leading up to this, there are scenes involving an actual fish
> in earlier chapters.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Other obvious options would be wagons or rural Mississippi. I haven't
> had much luck with those yet but if neither the horse nor fish works
> I'll keep looking. Coffins don't seem to be a popular subject for oil
> paintings.
>
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Alex Cabal
Oct 15, 2025, 5:04:54 PM (12 days ago) Oct 15
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Although as art, I don't think that horse painting is especially good.
Is there a better, maybe more dramatic, or at least more interesting
horse painting you can find?
Is there a better, maybe more dramatic, or at least more interesting
horse painting you can find?
Erin
Oct 19, 2025, 2:03:37 AM (9 days ago) Oct 19
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I see what you mean. I've been looking for a more interesting horse painting, but a non-horse option could be the following at the Smithsonian: https://www.si.edu/object/twilight-after-rain:saam_1913.3.3; and see the mock-up attached.
The relevance is that the family travels by wagon and encounters serious problems due to heavy rainfall. In the painting there is water on the road and marks that we could imagine to have been made by wheels. The figure approaching the house could represent the woman finally reaching her home-town.
If you aren't keen on it, no problem, I'll keep searching.
A couple of other questions:
1. Concerning scans. I was finally able to get a copy of the Vintage edition from the library, and as mentioned in the PD day thread its verso page suggests that it's a reprint of the 1935 Chatto & Windus edition, which was used by the FP transcribers. These borrowable scans at IA are of a New York Random House edition that was corrected, according to the verso page: "The corrections in this edition are based on a collation, under the direction of James B. Meriwether, of the first edition and Faulkner’s original manuscript and typescript." Because of this I assume we can't link to these scans. If so, do we just omit any link to scans in the metadata?
2. Concerning unconventional spacing, pictured below, in the American scans here (and the same in the Vintage print edition). Something similar occurred also in The Sound and the Fury. There we used one em space throughout and that seemed appropriate; see p. 81 here for an example. But one em space doesn't seem to be enough here to replicate the proportion of the line that each of these longer spaces takes up. Can or should we use more than one em space in these instances?
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Alex Cabal
Oct 19, 2025, 2:19:41 PM (8 days ago) Oct 19
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I think that one's not bad in theory but the costume and basket of the
woman says "European peasant" to me and not "1920s US south".
Scans - we want the 1930 edition. Does the 1935 edition also have a 1930
copyright date? If not then we can't use it, and we can't use that
transcription either unless we confirm it matches a 1930 edition. If
everything is fine but there are no scans then just omit them from the
metadata and text.
Spacing, em space is fine, it's not possible to perfectly duplicate
print layout so we just have to get close enough.
On 10/19/25 1:03 AM, Erin wrote:
> I see what you mean. I've been looking for a more interesting horse
> painting, but a non-horse option could be the following at the
> Smithsonian: https://www.si.edu/object/twilight-after-rain:saam_1913.3.3
> <https://www.si.edu/object/twilight-after-rain:saam_1913.3.3>; and see
> the mock-up attached.
> The relevance is that the family travels by wagon and encounters serious
> problems due to heavy rainfall. In the painting there is water on the
> road and marks that we could imagine to have been made by wheels. The
> figure approaching the house could represent the woman finally reaching
> her home-town.
>
> If you aren't keen on it, no problem, I'll keep searching.
>
> A couple of other questions:
>
> 1. Concerning scans. I was finally able to get a copy of the Vintage
> edition from the library, and as mentioned in the PD day thread its
> verso page suggests that it's a reprint of the 1935 Chatto & Windus
> edition, which was used by the FP transcribers. These borrowable scans
> at IA <https://archive.org/details/asilaydying0000unse> are of a New
> mode/1up> (and the same in the Vintage print edition). Something similar
> archive.org/details/soundfury0000will_y1s9/page/81/mode/1up> for an
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woman says "European peasant" to me and not "1920s US south".
Scans - we want the 1930 edition. Does the 1935 edition also have a 1930
copyright date? If not then we can't use it, and we can't use that
transcription either unless we confirm it matches a 1930 edition. If
everything is fine but there are no scans then just omit them from the
metadata and text.
Spacing, em space is fine, it's not possible to perfectly duplicate
print layout so we just have to get close enough.
On 10/19/25 1:03 AM, Erin wrote:
> I see what you mean. I've been looking for a more interesting horse
> painting, but a non-horse option could be the following at the
> Smithsonian: https://www.si.edu/object/twilight-after-rain:saam_1913.3.3
> <https://www.si.edu/object/twilight-after-rain:saam_1913.3.3>; and see
> the mock-up attached.
> The relevance is that the family travels by wagon and encounters serious
> problems due to heavy rainfall. In the painting there is water on the
> road and marks that we could imagine to have been made by wheels. The
> figure approaching the house could represent the woman finally reaching
> her home-town.
>
> If you aren't keen on it, no problem, I'll keep searching.
>
> A couple of other questions:
>
> 1. Concerning scans. I was finally able to get a copy of the Vintage
> edition from the library, and as mentioned in the PD day thread its
> verso page suggests that it's a reprint of the 1935 Chatto & Windus
> edition, which was used by the FP transcribers. These borrowable scans
> York Random House edition that was corrected, according to the verso
> page: "The corrections in this edition are based on a collation, under
> the direction of James B. Meriwether, of the first edition and
> Faulkner’s original manuscript and typescript." Because of this I assume
> we can't link to these scans. If so, do we just omit any link to scans
> in the metadata?
>
> 2. Concerning unconventional spacing, pictured below, in the American
> scans here <https://archive.org/details/asilaydying0000unse/page/174/
> page: "The corrections in this edition are based on a collation, under
> the direction of James B. Meriwether, of the first edition and
> Faulkner’s original manuscript and typescript." Because of this I assume
> we can't link to these scans. If so, do we just omit any link to scans
> in the metadata?
>
> 2. Concerning unconventional spacing, pictured below, in the American
> mode/1up> (and the same in the Vintage print edition). Something similar
> occurred also in The Sound and the Fury. There we used one em space
> throughout and that seemed appropriate; see p. 81 here <https://
> archive.org/details/soundfury0000will_y1s9/page/81/mode/1up> for an
> example. But one em space doesn't seem to be enough here to replicate
> the proportion of the line that each of these longer spaces takes up.
> Can or should we use more than one em space in these instances?
>
> the proportion of the line that each of these longer spaces takes up.
> Can or should we use more than one em space in these instances?
>
> Screenshot 2025-10-19 at 11.51.14 am.png
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 at 07:04, Alex Cabal <al...@standardebooks.org
> <mailto:al...@standardebooks.org>> wrote:
>
> Although as art, I don't think that horse painting is especially good.
> Is there a better, maybe more dramatic, or at least more interesting
> horse painting you can find?
>
> On 10/15/25 4:03 PM, Alex Cabal wrote:
> > Of those choices I think the horse is the best. We don't do black
> and
> > white covers so the black and white fish is out, and other fish
> would be
> > obscured by the title box.
> >
> > On 10/15/25 1:00 AM, Erin wrote:
> >> I'm currently searching for cover art. The book follows the
> family of
> >> a woman from rural Mississippi as they attempt to transport a
> coffin
> >> containing her body back to her hometown.
> >>
> >> There is an important plot point involving a horse, which
> explains the
> >> cover of the Vintage edition <https://www.penguin.co.uk/
> books/356600/ <https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/356600/>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 at 07:04, Alex Cabal <al...@standardebooks.org
> <mailto:al...@standardebooks.org>> wrote:
>
> Although as art, I don't think that horse painting is especially good.
> Is there a better, maybe more dramatic, or at least more interesting
> horse painting you can find?
>
> On 10/15/25 4:03 PM, Alex Cabal wrote:
> > Of those choices I think the horse is the best. We don't do black
> and
> > white covers so the black and white fish is out, and other fish
> would be
> > obscured by the title box.
> >
> > On 10/15/25 1:00 AM, Erin wrote:
> >> I'm currently searching for cover art. The book follows the
> family of
> >> a woman from rural Mississippi as they attempt to transport a
> coffin
> >> containing her body back to her hometown.
> >>
> >> There is an important plot point involving a horse, which
> explains the
> >> cover of the Vintage edition <https://www.penguin.co.uk/
> >> as- i-lay-dying-by-william-faulkner/9781446485514>. There is
> also an
> >> important plot point involving a barn. So the artwork "The Earl of
> >> Coventry's Horse" from the DB might work: https://
> standardebooks.org/ <https://standardebooks.org/>
> also an
> >> important plot point involving a barn. So the artwork "The Earl of
> >> Coventry's Horse" from the DB might work: https://
> >> artworks/benjamin-marshall/the-earl-of-coventrys-horse
> >>
> >> Another idea is a fish, such as this <https://www.metmuseum.org/
> art/ <https://www.metmuseum.org/art/>
> >>
> >> Another idea is a fish, such as this <https://www.metmuseum.org/
> >> collection/search/10467> or this <https://www.nga.gov/
> artworks/195635- <https://www.nga.gov/artworks/195635->
> >> english-cod> painting by William Merritt Chase. One of the most
> famous
> >> things about the book is the chapter that consists of the line "My
> >> mother is a fish.", thought by the youngest child in the family.
> >> Presumably leading up to this, there are scenes involving an actual
> >> fish in earlier chapters.
> >>
> >> What do you think?
> >>
> >> Other obvious options would be wagons or rural Mississippi. I
> haven't
> >> had much luck with those yet but if neither the horse nor fish
> works
> >> I'll keep looking. Coffins don't seem to be a popular subject
> for oil
> >> paintings.
> >>
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> famous
> >> things about the book is the chapter that consists of the line "My
> >> mother is a fish.", thought by the youngest child in the family.
> >> Presumably leading up to this, there are scenes involving an actual
> >> fish in earlier chapters.
> >>
> >> What do you think?
> >>
> >> Other obvious options would be wagons or rural Mississippi. I
> haven't
> >> had much luck with those yet but if neither the horse nor fish
> works
> >> I'll keep looking. Coffins don't seem to be a popular subject
> for oil
> >> paintings.
> >>
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Erin
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The FP transcription doesn't have a copyright notice, only publication date (1935). I haven't been able to find scans online of that first British edition that FP used. This is what I wrote initially in the PD day thread: The transcription is of the first British edition, published in 1935. The verso page of the Penguin Vintage edition that I would be able to get from the library says copyright 1930, first published in Great Britain in 1935.
You replied saying that that was enough information for us to use the FP transcription. Has anything changed? I guess that there being both no copyright date in the transcription and no way of verifying that there isn't one in the print copy they used could be a problem.
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Oct 19, 2025, 3:37:15 PM (8 days ago) Oct 19
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OK, that's fine. There are lots of projects going on and I can't always
remember the fine details of each one. As long we have a 1930 copyright
date on a print edition that matches the transcription then that's what
matters.
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> The FP transcription <https://www.fadedpage.com/books/20171024/html.php>
> > at IA <https://archive.org/details/asilaydying0000unse <https://
> > standardebooks.org/ <http://standardebooks.org/> <https://
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remember the fine details of each one. As long we have a 1930 copyright
date on a print edition that matches the transcription then that's what
matters.
On 10/19/25 2:35 PM, Erin wrote:
> The FP transcription <https://www.fadedpage.com/books/20171024/html.php>
> archive.org/details/asilaydying0000unse>> are of a New
> > York Random House edition that was corrected, according to the verso
> > page: "The corrections in this edition are based on a collation,
> under
> > the direction of James B. Meriwether, of the first edition and
> > Faulkner’s original manuscript and typescript." Because of this I
> assume
> > we can't link to these scans. If so, do we just omit any link to
> scans
> > in the metadata?
> >
> > 2. Concerning unconventional spacing, pictured below, in the
> American
> > scans here <https://archive.org/details/asilaydying0000unse/
> page/174/ <https://archive.org/details/asilaydying0000unse/page/174/>
> > York Random House edition that was corrected, according to the verso
> > page: "The corrections in this edition are based on a collation,
> under
> > the direction of James B. Meriwether, of the first edition and
> > Faulkner’s original manuscript and typescript." Because of this I
> assume
> > we can't link to these scans. If so, do we just omit any link to
> scans
> > in the metadata?
> >
> > 2. Concerning unconventional spacing, pictured below, in the
> American
> > scans here <https://archive.org/details/asilaydying0000unse/
> > mode/1up> (and the same in the Vintage print edition). Something
> similar
> > occurred also in The Sound and the Fury. There we used one em space
> > throughout and that seemed appropriate; see p. 81 here <https://
> > archive.org/details/soundfury0000will_y1s9/page/81/mode/1up
> <http://archive.org/details/soundfury0000will_y1s9/page/81/
> similar
> > occurred also in The Sound and the Fury. There we used one em space
> > throughout and that seemed appropriate; see p. 81 here <https://
> > archive.org/details/soundfury0000will_y1s9/page/81/mode/1up
> mode/1up>> for an
> > example. But one em space doesn't seem to be enough here to
> replicate
> > the proportion of the line that each of these longer spaces takes
> up.
> > Can or should we use more than one em space in these instances?
> >
> > Screenshot 2025-10-19 at 11.51.14 am.png
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 at 07:04, Alex Cabal <al...@standardebooks.org
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> > example. But one em space doesn't seem to be enough here to
> replicate
> > the proportion of the line that each of these longer spaces takes
> up.
> > Can or should we use more than one em space in these instances?
> >
> > Screenshot 2025-10-19 at 11.51.14 am.png
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > >> artworks/benjamin-marshall/the-earl-of-coventrys-horse
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> > >>
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Thanks.
Would either of the attached work for the cover?
1. "Untitled (cows on path in forest)" by Edward Mitchell Bannister from The Smithsonian: https://www.si.edu/object/untitled-cows-path-forest:saam_1983.95.83
Its relevance is that the family owns animals including cows; the daughter in the family, Dewey Dell, helps manage the cows and has a scene in some woods near their home; and a cow has an important role in one of the sections narrated by her.
2. Untitled painting of a house by Henry Ward Ranger from The Smithsonian: https://www.si.edu/object/untitled:saam_1968.59.2
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I think the house works. Again, the cow has a European-style peasant in
the frame. Nobody dressed like that in the early 20th century rural
south :) Can you add it to the DB?
On 10/21/25 4:01 PM, Erin wrote:
> Thanks.
>
> Would either of the attached work for the cover?
>
> 1. "Untitled (cows on path in forest)" by Edward Mitchell Bannister
> from The Smithsonian: https://www.si.edu/object/untitled-cows-path-
> forest:saam_1983.95.83 <https://www.si.edu/object/untitled-cows-path-
> <https://archive.org/details/asilaydying0000unse> <https://
> > archive.org/details/asilaydying0000unse <http://archive.org/
> > page/174/ <https://archive.org/details/asilaydying0000unse/
> www.penguin.co.uk/books/356600/>>>
> > > >> as- i-lay-dying-by-william-
> > www.metmuseum.org/art/ <http://www.metmuseum.org/art/>>>
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the frame. Nobody dressed like that in the early 20th century rural
south :) Can you add it to the DB?
On 10/21/25 4:01 PM, Erin wrote:
> Thanks.
>
> Would either of the attached work for the cover?
>
> 1. "Untitled (cows on path in forest)" by Edward Mitchell Bannister
> from The Smithsonian: https://www.si.edu/object/untitled-cows-path-
> forest:saam_1983.95.83>
>
> Its relevance is that the family owns animals including cows; the
> daughter in the family, Dewey Dell, helps manage the cows and has a
> scene in some woods near their home; and a cow has an important role in
> one of the sections narrated by her.
>
> 2. Untitled painting of a house by Henry Ward Ranger from The
> Smithsonian: https://www.si.edu/object/untitled:saam_1968.59.2 <https://
>
> Its relevance is that the family owns animals including cows; the
> daughter in the family, Dewey Dell, helps manage the cows and has a
> scene in some woods near their home; and a cow has an important role in
> one of the sections narrated by her.
>
> 2. Untitled painting of a house by Henry Ward Ranger from The
> www.si.edu/object/untitled:saam_1968.59.2>
>
>
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 at 05:37, Alex Cabal <al...@standardebooks.org
> <mailto:al...@standardebooks.org>> wrote:
>
> OK, that's fine. There are lots of projects going on and I can't always
> remember the fine details of each one. As long we have a 1930 copyright
> date on a print edition that matches the transcription then that's what
> matters.
>
> On 10/19/25 2:35 PM, Erin wrote:
> > The FP transcription <https://www.fadedpage.com/books/20171024/
> html.php <https://www.fadedpage.com/books/20171024/html.php>>
>
>
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 at 05:37, Alex Cabal <al...@standardebooks.org
> <mailto:al...@standardebooks.org>> wrote:
>
> OK, that's fine. There are lots of projects going on and I can't always
> remember the fine details of each one. As long we have a 1930 copyright
> date on a print edition that matches the transcription then that's what
> matters.
>
> On 10/19/25 2:35 PM, Erin wrote:
> > The FP transcription <https://www.fadedpage.com/books/20171024/
> > doesn't have a copyright notice, only publication date (1935). I
> haven't
> > been able to find scans online of that first British edition that FP
> > used. This is what I wrote initially in the PD day thread: The
> > transcription is of the first British edition, published in 1935.
> The
> > verso page of the Penguin Vintage edition that I would be able to
> get
> > from the library says copyright 1930, first published in Great
> Britain
> > in 1935.
> > You replied saying that that was enough information for us to use
> the FP
> > transcription. Has anything changed? I guess that there being
> both no
> > copyright date in the transcription and no way of verifying that
> there
> > isn't one in the print copy they used could be a problem.
> >
> > On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 at 04:19, Alex Cabal <al...@standardebooks.org
> <mailto:al...@standardebooks.org>
> haven't
> > been able to find scans online of that first British edition that FP
> > used. This is what I wrote initially in the PD day thread: The
> > transcription is of the first British edition, published in 1935.
> The
> > verso page of the Penguin Vintage edition that I would be able to
> get
> > from the library says copyright 1930, first published in Great
> Britain
> > in 1935.
> > You replied saying that that was enough information for us to use
> the FP
> > transcription. Has anything changed? I guess that there being
> both no
> > copyright date in the transcription and no way of verifying that
> there
> > isn't one in the print copy they used could be a problem.
> >
> > On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 at 04:19, Alex Cabal <al...@standardebooks.org
> <mailto:al...@standardebooks.org>
> > archive.org/details/asilaydying0000unse <http://archive.org/
> details/asilaydying0000unse>>> are of a New
> > > York Random House edition that was corrected, according to
> the verso
> > > page: "The corrections in this edition are based on a
> collation,
> > under
> > > the direction of James B. Meriwether, of the first edition and
> > > Faulkner’s original manuscript and typescript." Because of
> this I
> > assume
> > > we can't link to these scans. If so, do we just omit any
> link to
> > scans
> > > in the metadata?
> > >
> > > 2. Concerning unconventional spacing, pictured below, in the
> > American
> > > scans here <https://archive.org/details/
> asilaydying0000unse/ <https://archive.org/details/asilaydying0000unse/>
> > > York Random House edition that was corrected, according to
> the verso
> > > page: "The corrections in this edition are based on a
> collation,
> > under
> > > the direction of James B. Meriwether, of the first edition and
> > > Faulkner’s original manuscript and typescript." Because of
> this I
> > assume
> > > we can't link to these scans. If so, do we just omit any
> link to
> > scans
> > > in the metadata?
> > >
> > > 2. Concerning unconventional spacing, pictured below, in the
> > American
> > > scans here <https://archive.org/details/
> > page/174/ <https://archive.org/details/asilaydying0000unse/
> page/174/ <https://archive.org/details/asilaydying0000unse/page/174/>>
> > > mode/1up> (and the same in the Vintage print edition).
> Something
> > similar
> > > occurred also in The Sound and the Fury. There we used one
> em space
> > > throughout and that seemed appropriate; see p. 81 here
> <https://
> > > archive.org/details/soundfury0000will_y1s9/page/81/
> mode/1up <http://archive.org/details/soundfury0000will_y1s9/page/81/
> mode/1up>
> > <http://archive.org/details/soundfury0000will_y1s9/page/81/
> > > mode/1up> (and the same in the Vintage print edition).
> Something
> > similar
> > > occurred also in The Sound and the Fury. There we used one
> em space
> > > throughout and that seemed appropriate; see p. 81 here
> <https://
> > > archive.org/details/soundfury0000will_y1s9/page/81/
> mode/1up <http://archive.org/details/soundfury0000will_y1s9/page/81/
> mode/1up>
> > > >> as- i-lay-dying-by-william-
> faulkner/9781446485514>. There is
> > > also an
> > > >> important plot point involving a barn. So the artwork
> > "The Earl of
> > > >> Coventry's Horse" from the DB might work: https://
> > > standardebooks.org/ <http://standardebooks.org/> <http://
> > > also an
> > > >> important plot point involving a barn. So the artwork
> > "The Earl of
> > > >> Coventry's Horse" from the DB might work: https://
> standardebooks.org/ <http://standardebooks.org/>> <https://
> > standardebooks.org/ <http://standardebooks.org/> <https://
> standardebooks.org/ <https://standardebooks.org/>>>
> > > >> artworks/benjamin-marshall/the-earl-of-coventrys-horse
> > > >>
> > > >> Another idea is a fish, such as this <https://
> > www.metmuseum.org/ <http://www.metmuseum.org/> <https://
> > standardebooks.org/ <http://standardebooks.org/> <https://
> standardebooks.org/ <https://standardebooks.org/>>>
> > > >> artworks/benjamin-marshall/the-earl-of-coventrys-horse
> > > >>
> > > >> Another idea is a fish, such as this <https://
> www.metmuseum.org/ <https://www.metmuseum.org/>>
> > > art/ <https://www.metmuseum.org/art/ <https://
> www.metmuseum.org/art/> <https://
> > > art/ <https://www.metmuseum.org/art/ <https://
> > www.metmuseum.org/art/ <http://www.metmuseum.org/art/>>>
> > > >> collection/search/10467> or this <https://
> www.nga.gov/ <https://www.nga.gov/>
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I submitted the house painting for approval. Sorry, the figure seemed hazy enough to me that I thought it could pass…
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